Colin, It is I that has done the index of all and every name, place and relationship drawn from the wills proven at the ECC of St David's for 1600 to 1858. As others have said the border with Carmarthen lies right on the Leat of Garnass Crunwear, the Oriel's home from at least 1725. Because so much is interrelated between the west parishes of Carmarthen and Crunwear I have all indexed all names places and relationships in every will for the parishes of Kyffig and Marros. In addition to these I have also done the parishes of Amroth, Lamphey, Ludchurch, Manorbier, Rhos crowther & St Issells plus Pembroke for 1600 to 1700. This index has proven extremely usefull showing relationships prior to 1800 and even more so prior to P.R.'s As Bettye says The Rec Off., will do a search for you at £15 per hour. I am away untill 11th January researching Oriel's in Paris and Pembrokeshire Military History in Northern France, please email me direct at the email above shown if you think I can assist you further. Rgds Owen V. ORIEL a welsh window on a surname 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009

Hello This situation came up a short while ago. The Eleven GM is the number o the correction in the record book and the GM is the initials of George Morgan the Registrar. The correction is in the date column changing the words Twenty ninth to figures 29th. According to the law under the registrations' Acts if an error was made before the entry had been completed by the registrar's signature then the mistake was crossed through and the correction numbered by the error and written and initialled e.g. eleven GM in this case by the side. The numbering started at one for each register - so in this case this must have been the eleventh error in this register. Looking again at the certificate next to the part in error is 11. Cheers Pat The rules also say the error must be underlined but as the two names are on the ruled lines on the certificate then that presumably suffices. In message <8CC5AF645587964-5C3C-11BA4@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>, cardi2@aol.com writes > > Hi: > >Thanks for supplying a copy of the death certificate. I did not know that >Carmarthen had a prison in 1894. > >Re the writing at the far right of the certificate - it looks like somebody's >name and initials. I don't think it has anything to do with the actual >certificate. Actually I read the GM as an EM. > >Annie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Attached Message > > > >From: > >Alison Bryan <alison.bryan@gmail.com> > > > >To: > >Dyfed List <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > > > >Subject: > >[Dyfed] Death certificate query > > > >Date: > >Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:02:55 +0000 > > > > >Dear all > >A death certificate arrived this morning. You can see it here: >http://www.llwynonn.eclipse.co.uk/borth/Thomas%20Richards%20death%201894.jpg > >Thomas Richards (cert above) murdered his sister in law, Mary Davies >of Borth, and was subsequently hanged. Mary Davies is supposed to be >a blood relative of mine. I have various newspaper reports and this >is even in a couple of books. However, I've yet to prove the link to >my family (and what I'm currently working on). > >What I wanted to ask .... the death certificate, the very right, >outside the column for signature for registrar .... there is (what >looks like) "Elevin GM". Could anyone cast a light on what this may >be? > >Thanks, Alison > > > > > > > > > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message -- pat

Hello List I am new to this list, and I am hoping that someone can help me with tracing some JONES & GRIFFITHS ancestors. They lived in Coleford & Cinderford Gloucestershire, but were born in Pembrokeshire. I have William JONES a stone mason (born about 1804 in Pembrokeshire - might have been in Pembroke) and his wife Mary (born about 1799 in Jeffreston Pembrokeshire). The record for the nonconformist baptism of their daughter Martha in 1831 names Mary's parents as being John & Martha GRIFFITH[S]. Other records indicate the family was Wesleyan Methodists. I'd appreciate any information/suggestions about the marriage of William & Mary JONES and/or John & Martha GRIFFITHS. Also about the baptisms of any of the above. Meg BC Canada

A Happy New Year to All. These are not common Dyfed surnames, with the possible exception on DAVIS, but may be of interest. Dai -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Advertising my surname lists Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 02:03:27 -0000 From: Admin <bloxham-admin@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Admin <bloxham-admin@rootsweb.com> To: <DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com> Hi, I am the administrator for 6 very quiet surname lists and was wondering if it would be possible to let your list members know of their existance please. If you could post the following to your list I would be very grateful. Best Regards Mo (admin for the following lists) Hi, I would just like to let you know that there are lists for the following surnames: BLOXHAM including any variation of spelling, DAVIS-UK concentrating on the DAVIS surname in the United Kingdom, SALT surname including any variations in spelling, TEBBY-AUS-ENG for the discussion of the TEBBY surname including any variation of spelling, INGLESON surname including any variation of spelling and WHITEHOUSE including any variation in spelling. I have just started a roll call on all these lists, so now would be an ideal time to let other list members know of your interests in these surnames. If you would like to subscribe to any of the above just send an email to BLOXHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:BLOXHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com> DAVIS-UK-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:DAVIS-UK-L-request@rootsweb.com> SALT-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:SALT-L-request@rootsweb.com> TEBBY-AUS-ENG-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:TEBBY-AUS-ENG-L-request@rootsweb.com> INGLESON-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:INGLESON-L-request@rootsweb.com> or WHITEHOUSE-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:WHITEHOUSE-L-request@rootsweb.com> with the word subscribe in the message subject and message body. Many thanks for your time Mo (admin for the above mentioned lists).

Dear Alison The notes in the right hand margin are "Eleven" and "GM." The eleven refers to an error that the registrar made in entering up the details of the death on the certificate. You can see in column 1 that the words "twenty ninth" have been crossed out and replaced by "29th." The numeral 11 has been entered next to the crossing out. GM are the registrar's initials (George Morgan) verifying the error. Registrars had to keep a record of errors they made on certificates, and each error was numbered. This was therefore the 11th mistake that George Morgan had made. There was a similar entry on one of my certificates recently and a very helpful person on the Glamorgan list confirmed with the local register office that this was the standard procedure for recording errors. I'm afraid that this explanation doesn't add anything to the information you already have. Good luck in your search. With best wishes Moni > From: > Alison Bryan <alison.bryan@gmail.com> > To:Dyfed List <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:02:55 +0000 > > Dear all > > A death certificate arrived this morning.  You can see it here: > http://www.llwynonn.eclipse.co.uk/borth/Thomas%20Richards%20death%201894.jpg > > Thomas Richards (cert above) murdered his sister in law, Mary Davies > of Borth, and was subsequently hanged.  Mary Davies is supposed to be > a blood relative of mine.  I have various newspaper reports and this > is even in a couple of books.  However, I've yet to prove the link to > my family (and what I'm currently working on). > > What I wanted to ask .... the death certificate, the very right, > outside the column for signature for registrar .... there is (what > looks like) "Elevin GM".  Could anyone cast a light on what this may > be? > > Thanks, Alison

Evan JONES (farmer), born Mount, Cardigan, c1811 - buried Verwig churchyard 1894... his wife Maud Davies born c1817 Llandugwydd, Cardigan, 1817 - buried Verwid churchyard 1891.. Children from this marriage - We have located Elizabeth born Verwig, Cardigan, 1836 Mary born c1857 Aberporth, Cardigan Evan (who came to NZ) is age 2 - 1841 census. Maud age 2 months - 1841 census John age 2 - 1851 census Any further information would be appreciated. Nyle On behalf of Margaret Innes Jones - NZ

Hi: Thanks for supplying a copy of the death certificate. I did not know that Carmarthen had a prison in 1894. Re the writing at the far right of the certificate - it looks like somebody's name and initials. I don't think it has anything to do with the actual certificate. Actually I read the GM as an EM. Annie Attached Message From: Alison Bryan <alison.bryan@gmail.com> To: Dyfed List <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Dyfed] Death certificate query Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:02:55 +0000 Dear all A death certificate arrived this morning. You can see it here: http://www.llwynonn.eclipse.co.uk/borth/Thomas%20Richards%20death%201894.jpg Thomas Richards (cert above) murdered his sister in law, Mary Davies of Borth, and was subsequently hanged. Mary Davies is supposed to be a blood relative of mine. I have various newspaper reports and this is even in a couple of books. However, I've yet to prove the link to my family (and what I'm currently working on). What I wanted to ask .... the death certificate, the very right, outside the column for signature for registrar .... there is (what looks like) "Elevin GM". Could anyone cast a light on what this may be? Thanks, Alison

Dear Colin, Perhaps the Pemb. RO could do a search of the Haverfordwest baptisms for you to see if they could locate Hester/Esther .....it should not be too expensive. Magness is not a surname I can find in the Rhos Hundred records.........not with that spelling. In 1748/49 however at Steynton Michael MAGNIS married Florana Brown and in 1755 Florana MAGNIS married James Jones at Steynton. Unfortunately I can't see any Wills which might help, but any children born to Florana from her first marriage may have been placed with their paternal grandparents when she remarried....I've seen several occasions when the children were farmed out to relatives in such cases. If there had been more than one marriage recorded under "Magnis" I would not have queried the surname, but as it is, there is a possibility the scribe was responsible for the spelling as, at this time, many folks could not read or write. Don't forget, when looking for your elusive ancestors to check for very odd and alternate spellings. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Kenneday" <kenneday@shaw.ca> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Magness marriage > Hi again all, > > Thank you for looking up Jardine and David names for me in the > Crunwear Will. I feel now that my Hester was probably not Hester > David or Hester Jardine. > > The facts I have are: Esther/Hester married Richard Magness and had a > daughter, Mary Jane born in 1814 in Lower Bullingham, Herefordshire. > According to census and death information, Hester was born about 1790 > in Haverfordwest. I can find no marriage for Richard and Hester and I > can find no birth for my Richard Magness. Richard was born in about > 1780 and died in 1831. He is NOT the Mansel Gamage Richard who was > also born in 1780. I feel that my Richard is probably related to the > Herefordshire Magnesses but have no proof yet. Parish records have > come up negative. I can follow Hester and Richard and their children > after the birth of Mary Jane up to their deaths but cannot find out > who Richard and Hester's parents /families were. I am interested in > Hester because she is my direct mitochondrial line. > > If anyone has a clue or ideas, please let me know. Thanks again and > good luck to everyone with your research. > > Cheers! > Colin > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I posted this some time ago, and try again, in case anyone recognises a Gwynfe connection. 1851, Llangwig census Pengraiggarw No 2 Morgan Davies head married 33 miner Carmarthen Thomas son 12 miner Carmarthen Margaret daughter 9 Glam Mary " 6 " Betsy " 3 " John son 8mths " Margaret Jones mother 80 Farmers Gwynfe widow Elizabeth " sister 36 " " Llewellyn " nephew 11 " John " " 10 " The relationships are problematic. I have failed to find any BMD certificates that help. I would love to know who Morgan married, and where he came from. Cathryn

Evans Listers Thomas Evans (1838-1902) Llandyfriog. Father Benjamin (Llangoedmor 1806-1881), laborer. Mother unsure, possibly Rebeccah Jones (1802-1876). Married Jemima Jones (Cenarth 1840-Bedwellty 1880) in Graig Chapel, Newcastle-Emlyn. I'm unable to directly link Thomas to parents through census even though I believe I have them placed together in Bedwellty in the 1871 census. I have not sought birth records, as I would have to order many, but it may be my only option. There is no actual family knowledge other than that of Benjamin Evans (Cenarth 1872-USA c1930), my Grandfather. If anyone has suggestions as to sources or contacts, I would really appreciate such information. Howard Evans Montana, USA -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dyfed-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:00 AM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. Today's Topics: 1. William Evans 1799 (Susan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:49:38 -0600 From: "Susan" <subwest@comcast.net> Subject: [Dyfed] William Evans 1799 To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0DAFC8D0A62D44E2BB1B72AEC9A93F19@dimension4700> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Evans Listers, I'm late into this discussion but I'm researching William Evans (1799) and his wife, Hannah (1801) PEM. They had a daughter, Mary, born 12 Jun 1829 who married Benjamin Gibbons abt.1850 PEM and emigrated 1857. Is there any connection? Susan > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DYFED Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 ***********************************

Dear Colin, David Jardine is listed as marrying Elizabeth Glen in 1780 at Haverfordwest St. Mary. An Alexander Jardine in 1791 married Ann Prickett at Haverfordwest St. Mary in 1791....possibly David and Alexander were related. Crunwear is right over near Carmarthenshire and the St. David's Probate Will index shows a Will listed for David Jardine of Llanboidy, Carmarthen proved in 1747. There is also a Will for a Hester David of Carmarthen, Carmarthen proved in 1738....I doubt this latter Will has significance, but the 1747 Will for David Jardine might be worth a look on The National Library of Wales site. None of the othr Hester/Esther David/s seem significant. In the female section of the Rhos Hundred marriages, an Elizabeth Jardine married Thomas Evans at St. Brides, Pembrokeshire whilst a Jane Jardine married William Bowen at Haverfordwest St. Martin in 1801. There are no other Glens mentioned in the indices I hold for Rhos Hundred, apart from Elizabeth. Please provide the List with any concrete family information you may have....to assist in the search. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Kenneday" <kenneday@shaw.ca> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:19 AM Subject: [Dyfed] PEM/Crunwear Will Index > Happy New Year all! > > Good luck hunting to everyone this 2010. I have just joined this list > in an attempt to find my mitochondrial roots. > > I have found a name on the Crunwear Will Index, found at GENUKI, that > may be of interest to me. It is "1801/29,David,Hester". GENUKI said > to contact Owen with respect to this entry through the mailing list. > I am not sure what the entry means but I would welcome any info that > anyone, especially Owen, may have with respect to this person. I have > a Hester David born about 1790 in Haverfordwest to father, David > Jardine and mother, Elizabeth. > > I am not even sure if this is my Hester/Esther. Because of the > patronymic naming tradition, I am finding it frustrating to find my > Hester's family. > > Thank you to all. > > Cheers! > Colin > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

> Dear List, Cadle Tobacconist's, with the Bear in the shop. Gawd knows how old the bear was, but the smell, of tobacco was just wonderful.( I can smell it now) That would be our treat for being good, as I'm sure many other children, a trip to Cardiff to go and see the bear. Cadle's was probably a Cardiff icon. Not for the store to children but for the Grizzy. Also for directions to the train station. ( Passed the Bear). My first direction's to Cardiff from the train was passed the bear!! I wonder how they came about the bear?? Very Happy Memories Jane ( W Auss) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:33:08 +0000 > From: robert williams <robert.williams94@googlemail.com> > Subject: [Dyfed] CADLE of Cardiff. > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <cf2bb6cc1001010533y75d583bv2b1a88db12448a17@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I don't know who was interested in this Surname? > But I did a good deal of Research in to the ELLIOTT family of Cardiff about > 25 years ago,for a Lady living in Watford. > The Head of this Family being Thomas ELLIOTT the "Soda Water Manufacturer"of > Bute Street,Cardiff Docks. > Amongst his many connections were the CADLE Family of Tobacconists. > There is a Picture of One of these Tobacco Shops depicted in the "Cardiff > Yesterday"Series of 34 volumes.This Branch of his Many Shops in Cardiff,was > situated at the Bottom end of Bute Street/James Street. > HTH;Happy New Year to all. > Graham. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2596 - Release Date: 01/01/10 17:20:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release Date: 01/02/10 16:22:00

Dear Dai, As ages were usually rounded down in the 1841 census, Thomas and Elizabeth may have been closer to 70, but as some enumerators actually put the correct age, we can't be sure of this. There is no Mathry marriage listed between a Thomas Evan and an Elizabeth, but as Mathry is in Dewisland Hundred they might well be: Thomas Evan married Elizabeth Richard 1785, St. David's Thomas Evan married Elizabeth William 1787, Llanrhian Thomas Evan married Elizabeth Williams 1792, Llanwnda...........probably the most likely. A Thomas Evan married Lettice Bowen at Mathry in 1792, so perhaps Lettice was known as Elizabeth. A Thomas Evans is listed as marrying Elizabeth Morgan at Llanrhian from the BT's in 1807. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dai Jones" <david@daijones.com> To: "Dyfed" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Thomas Evan(s) 1841 > HO107; Piece 1444; Book: 23 > > Enumeration District: 24; Folio: 5; Page: 2; Line: 9 > > Mabws Bridge, Mathry > > Thomas Evan 65 > Elizabeth Evan 65 > Phebe Evan 25 > > > > Looking for any information about this family, Thomas was a Shoemaker. > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear all A death certificate arrived this morning. You can see it here: http://www.llwynonn.eclipse.co.uk/borth/Thomas%20Richards%20death%201894.jpg Thomas Richards (cert above) murdered his sister in law, Mary Davies of Borth, and was subsequently hanged. Mary Davies is supposed to be a blood relative of mine. I have various newspaper reports and this is even in a couple of books. However, I've yet to prove the link to my family (and what I'm currently working on). What I wanted to ask .... the death certificate, the very right, outside the column for signature for registrar .... there is (what looks like) "Elevin GM". Could anyone cast a light on what this may be? Thanks, Alison

Hi again all, Thank you for looking up Jardine and David names for me in the Crunwear Will. I feel now that my Hester was probably not Hester David or Hester Jardine. The facts I have are: Esther/Hester married Richard Magness and had a daughter, Mary Jane born in 1814 in Lower Bullingham, Herefordshire. According to census and death information, Hester was born about 1790 in Haverfordwest. I can find no marriage for Richard and Hester and I can find no birth for my Richard Magness. Richard was born in about 1780 and died in 1831. He is NOT the Mansel Gamage Richard who was also born in 1780. I feel that my Richard is probably related to the Herefordshire Magnesses but have no proof yet. Parish records have come up negative. I can follow Hester and Richard and their children after the birth of Mary Jane up to their deaths but cannot find out who Richard and Hester's parents /families were. I am interested in Hester because she is my direct mitochondrial line. If anyone has a clue or ideas, please let me know. Thanks again and good luck to everyone with your research. Cheers! Colin

Hi List, Looking for any information about David Morris & Margaret Jones Married 15 Oct 1830 Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire Regards David

Dear Bob Elizabeth was shown as 32 in 1871 so born approx 1839. I looked for a 2 year old Elizabeth in the 1841 Camrose census and there were three. Elizabeth Adams, John and Thomas. Looking at the BMD's I see a Elizabeth John married a John Thomas September Quarter 1865. The marriage was registered in Haverfordwest Volume 11a page 1005. This may be her. This was the only marriage I could find. If it is her then 1841 shows Living on Keeston Moor, Camrose Parish James George age 75 Agricultural Labourer Elizabeth George age 80 Francis John age 30 Agricultural Labourer Mary John age 30 John John age 6 Margaret John age 4 Elizabeth John age 2 My advice would be to get a birth certificate for George Thomas. You know he was born 1869 or 1870 as he was shown as 18 months old in 1871. That should give you his mothers maiden name and then you will know for sure. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009

Happy New Year all! Good luck hunting to everyone this 2010. I have just joined this list in an attempt to find my mitochondrial roots. I have found a name on the Crunwear Will Index, found at GENUKI, that may be of interest to me. It is "1801/29,David,Hester". GENUKI said to contact Owen with respect to this entry through the mailing list. I am not sure what the entry means but I would welcome any info that anyone, especially Owen, may have with respect to this person. I have a Hester David born about 1790 in Haverfordwest to father, David Jardine and mother, Elizabeth. I am not even sure if this is my Hester/Esther. Because of the patronymic naming tradition, I am finding it frustrating to find my Hester's family. Thank you to all. Cheers! Colin

Thanks Bettey, Elizabeth Evan was on the 1851 census, still in Mabws Bridge, Mathry HO107; Piece: 2479; Folio: 370; Page: 17 Elizabeth Evan Widow 80 Pauper born Pembroke St.Nicholas Phebe Evan Daughter 30 Llandyfai Thomas & Elizabeth's daughter Anne was my GGGrandmother and in 1851 she was in St.David's. Anne Sayes 47 born Llanreithan ? HO107; Piece: 2479; Folio: 187; Page: 9 Regards David ----- Original Message ----- From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> To: "Dai Jones" <david@daijones.com>; "Dyfed" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Thomas Evan(s) 1841 > Dear Dai, > > As ages were usually rounded down in the 1841 census, Thomas and Elizabeth > may have been closer to 70, but as some enumerators actually put the > correct > age, we can't be sure of this. > > There is no Mathry marriage listed between a Thomas Evan and an Elizabeth, > but as Mathry is in Dewisland Hundred they might well be: > > Thomas Evan married Elizabeth Richard 1785, St. David's > Thomas Evan married Elizabeth William 1787, Llanrhian > Thomas Evan married Elizabeth Williams 1792, Llanwnda...........probably > the > most likely. > > A Thomas Evan married Lettice Bowen at Mathry in 1792, so perhaps Lettice > was known as Elizabeth. > > A Thomas Evans is listed as marrying Elizabeth Morgan at Llanrhian from > the > BT's in 1807. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

Evans Listers, I'm late into this discussion but I'm researching William Evans (1799) and his wife, Hannah (1801) PEM. They had a daughter, Mary, born 12 Jun 1829 who married Benjamin Gibbons abt.1850 PEM and emigrated 1857. Is there any connection? Susan