Hello listers, I have been contacted by a gentleman from Switzerland who is researching his g.g. grandfather Rev Edward Harries Vicar of Llandysilio Pembs from 1824 - 1849. He has given me two addresses in Llandysilio which I know of. However surprisingly he is not on the 1841 census for Llandysilio nor for anywhere in England and Wales nor are his family. Could anyone assist me in finding the data base for anglican clergy for the above dates or assistance with parish records when he may have been the officiating vicar. I have already researched CCed data base for clergy, without any success.. Many thanks Yvonne Evans

H All, Thornhill Crematorium was opened in 1953 and occupies a 40-acre site shared with Thornhill Cemetery. Found at: http://www.remembranceonline.co.uk/directory/burial-and-cremation/crematoria /thornhill-crematorium My best wishes, Jill See website for JONES [3 lines!], KNIGHT and DAVIES http://www.muirfamily-genealogy-online.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Coleman [mailto:Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com] Sent: 06 January 2010 21:04 To: Jill Muir; 'Terry Dipple'; 'Elwyn Schreuder'; glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com Cc: dyfed-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] headstone Thornhill cemetry http://www.cardiff.gov.uk/content.asp?Parent_Directory_id=2865&nav=2867,2903 ,2919,3494 is the web page for cemeteries in Cardiff, which are all administered from the office at Thornhill. If you look at the pdf file map of the Thornhill cemetery and compare with Google maps aerial photo you will see the distinctive shape of the area B ( which is marked 'Lawn Section Burial' on the map) and will see that there are memorials in that plot, quite small compared to the size of other objects in the aerial photo like cars and new graves and most notably not throwing long shadows, so probably not very tall. Memorials I have seen at Thornhill have simple inscriptions, often simply names, or names and dates. The simplest thing, Elwyn, is to contact the cemeteries department. Given the reference number they should have a record of whether there is any memorial on the plot, and also with the names should be able to tell you whether there are any entries in the 'Book of Remembrance' at the crematorium building (location marked BOR on the pdf map). I don't know when Thornhill opened, but I suspect that the 1958 burial might have been one of the first. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Muir" <jill@shottle.plus.com> To: "'Terry Dipple'" <tadip44@cinci.rr.com>; "'Elwyn Schreuder'" <e.schreuder7@chello.nl>; <glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [GLA] headstone Thornhill cemetry > Terry, Some interments at Thornhill now allow headstones. Some are > upright. > We bought a ground level plaque for our parents, when they allowed them. > > > My best wishes, Jill > See website for JONES [3 lines!], KNIGHT and DAVIES > http://www.muirfamily-genealogy-online.co.uk/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Terry Dipple > Sent: 06 January 2010 18:40 > To: 'Elwyn Schreuder'; glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com > Cc: dyfed-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLA] headstone Thornhill cemetry > > Elwyn - Thornhill is a crematorium. Some don't allow headstones. > Regards - Terry > Give my regards to Beek-en-Donk > > -----Original Message----- > From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Elwyn Schreuder > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:25 PM > To: glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com > Cc: dyfed-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GLA] headstone Thornhill cemetry > > > > Hello list, > > Can somebody tell me if the headstones at Thornhill cemetry Cardiff are > photographed.. > > Would so much like a photo of the headstone of the Lombards Grave B 594. > > Buried are there: > James Lombard died 27-10-1958 age 74 > Catherine Ellen Lombard died 8-5-1965 age 77 > Margaret Eluned Lomabard died 21-2-1984 73. > James Stephen Lombard died 23-2-1987 76. > > Elwyn - Netherlands. >

Terry, Some interments at Thornhill now allow headstones. Some are upright. We bought a ground level plaque for our parents, when they allowed them. My best wishes, Jill See website for JONES [3 lines!], KNIGHT and DAVIES http://www.muirfamily-genealogy-online.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Dipple Sent: 06 January 2010 18:40 To: 'Elwyn Schreuder'; glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com Cc: dyfed-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] headstone Thornhill cemetry Elwyn - Thornhill is a crematorium. Some don't allow headstones. Regards - Terry Give my regards to Beek-en-Donk -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elwyn Schreuder Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:25 PM To: glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com Cc: dyfed-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLA] headstone Thornhill cemetry Hello list, Can somebody tell me if the headstones at Thornhill cemetry Cardiff are photographed.. Would so much like a photo of the headstone of the Lombards Grave B 594. Buried are there: James Lombard died 27-10-1958 age 74 Catherine Ellen Lombard died 8-5-1965 age 77 Margaret Eluned Lomabard died 21-2-1984 73. James Stephen Lombard died 23-2-1987 76. Elwyn - Netherlands. -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No I shouldn't think so. But you are asking the incorrect list I think. Thornhill is in Cardiff, and therefore Glamorgan,Elwyn My best wishes, Jill See website for JONES [3 lines!], KNIGHT and DAVIES http://www.muirfamily-genealogy-online.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elwyn Schreuder Sent: 06 January 2010 18:25 To: glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com Cc: dyfed-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] headstone Thornhill cemetry Hello list, Can somebody tell me if the headstones at Thornhill cemetry Cardiff are photographed.. Would so much like a photo of the headstone of the Lombards Grave B 594. Buried are there: James Lombard died 27-10-1958 age 74 Catherine Ellen Lombard died 8-5-1965 age 77 Margaret Eluned Lomabard died 21-2-1984 73. James Stephen Lombard died 23-2-1987 76. Elwyn - Netherlands. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list, Can somebody tell me if the headstones at Thornhill cemetry Cardiff are photographed.. Would so much like a photo of the headstone of the Lombards Grave B 594. Buried are there: James Lombard died 27-10-1958 age 74 Catherine Ellen Lombard died 8-5-1965 age 77 Margaret Eluned Lomabard died 21-2-1984 73. James Stephen Lombard died 23-2-1987 76. Elwyn - Netherlands.

Dear Yvonne I agree that the address is crucial (my Edward lived at Brynteg, Llannon). Age can be inconsistent between different censuses and records. Thanks very much for your suggestions on how to approach the Register Office. I hope to resolve this question soon! With very best wishes Moni 2010/1/6 Yvonne Watson <yvonne.watson@gmail.com>: > Moni > I've just checked the 1851 census and I think the address will be the > crucial checking point given that both men were married to a Mary although > there seems to be a five year difference in their ages. > Yvonne > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Yvonne Watson <yvonne.watson@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Moni >> I've found the local register offices quite helpful. I usually phone and >> tell them my problem and they usually say put it in writing and give them a >> phone number and they will try and see what they can do. Usually they are >> prepared to search a five year period. >> Although FreeBMD doesn't give ages for the early records the certificates >> do have the age at death on them. >> >> Also you could search burial records as they give ages and sometimes >> address. >> Someone on the list might have access to parish records. >> Yvonne >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:48 AM, A Spell In Time >> <spellintime@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Bettye and Yvonne for your replies. >>>>>> >>> Sadly the 1851 census is not helpful in clarifying which of the two >>> possible death certificate to order for my Edward Mainwaring. There >>> were two Edward Mainwarings (of roughly similar ages) in the same >>> registration district in the 1851 census. Unfortunately the death >>> indices at that time recorded only the name and registration district >>> of the deceased, not the age. So I can't tell from Free BMD which of >>> the two Edward Mainwaring deaths in 1851 is mine. >>> >>> Yvonne, I'll try your suggestion of contacting the local register >>> office to see if they are prepared to check the certificates for me >>> before I order. I didn't know that they would do this. That would >>> avoid me having to spend money unnecessarily through plumping for the >>> wrong certificate  as I have done many times in the past in similar >>> situations! >>> >>> With thanks for your help and best wishes >>> >>> Moni >>> >>> 2010/1/6 Yvonne Watson <yvonne.watson@gmail.com>: >>> > Moni >>> > If you know the age of your Edward then it might be worth contacting >>> > the >>> > local register office who could check the certificates for you and send >>> > the >>> > appropriate one. Of course the two Edwards might have been a similar >>> > age so >>> > any other information you have on him will help. >>> > I agree with Bettye in that you might be able to distinquish between >>> > the two >>> > on the 1851 census. >>> > Good Luck >>> > Yvonne >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:06 AM, LC & BJ Kirkwood >>> > <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> If you have two in 1851 who may have appeared on a census before they >>> >> died, >>> >> then apart from Llannon, you may find the other in one of the areas >>> >> mentioned. >>> >> >>> >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "A Spell In Time" <spellintime@googlemail.com> >>> >> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:43 AM >>> >> Subject: [Dyfed] Edward Mainwaring, Llannon, CMN >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > Hi >>> >> > >>> >> > Edward Mainwaring was born c 1788 in Llannon, Carmarthenshire, and >>> >> > lived in Brynteg, near Tumble. According to Free BMD two Edward >>> >> > Mainwarings died in 1851, one in the June quarter and one in the >>> >> > December quarter. >>> >> > >>> >> > I want to order my Edward's death certificate but don't know which >>> >> > one >>> >> > of these two to go for. Does anyone have any information which might >>> >> > help me to order for the right certificate? >>> >> > >>> >> > Keeping my fingers crossed! >>> >> > >>> >> > With thanks and best wishes >>> >> > >>> >> > Moni >>> >> >

Moni I've just checked the 1851 census and I think the address will be the crucial checking point given that both men were married to a Mary although there seems to be a five year difference in their ages. Yvonne On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Yvonne Watson <yvonne.watson@gmail.com>wrote: > Moni > I've found the local register offices quite helpful. I usually phone and > tell them my problem and they usually say put it in writing and give them a > phone number and they will try and see what they can do. Usually they are > prepared to search a five year period. > Although FreeBMD doesn't give ages for the early records the certificates > do have the age at death on them. > > Also you could search burial records as they give ages and sometimes > address. > Someone on the list might have access to parish records. > Yvonne > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:48 AM, A Spell In Time < > spellintime@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Bettye and Yvonne for your replies. >> >> Bettye, thanks for checking the wills index. The early Edward and John >> Mainwarings of Llannon may link in with my family, but I haven't >> traced that far back yet. Perhaps my Edward who died in 1851 did not >> make a will because the family were poor. >> >> Sadly the 1851 census is not helpful in clarifying which of the two >> possible death certificate to order for my Edward Mainwaring. There >> were two Edward Mainwarings (of roughly similar ages) in the same >> registration district in the 1851 census. Unfortunately the death >> indices at that time recorded only the name and registration district >> of the deceased, not the age. So I can't tell from Free BMD which of >> the two Edward Mainwaring deaths in 1851 is mine. >> >> Yvonne, I'll try your suggestion of contacting the local register >> office to see if they are prepared to check the certificates for me >> before I order. I didn't know that they would do this. That would >> avoid me having to spend money unnecessarily through plumping for the >> wrong certificate as I have done many times in the past in similar >> situations! >> >> With thanks for your help and best wishes >> >> Moni >> >> 2010/1/6 Yvonne Watson <yvonne.watson@gmail.com>: >> > Moni >> > If you know the age of your Edward then it might be worth contacting the >> > local register office who could check the certificates for you and send >> the >> > appropriate one. Of course the two Edwards might have been a similar age >> so >> > any other information you have on him will help. >> > I agree with Bettye in that you might be able to distinquish between the >> two >> > on the 1851 census. >> > Good Luck >> > Yvonne >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:06 AM, LC & BJ Kirkwood < >> lki59595@bigpond.net.au> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear Moni, >> >> >> >> >From the Wills index, Wills for several Edward Mainwarings were >> >> proven.......... in 1758 (Llannon), 1792 (Llanedi), 1814 ( >> Llangennech), >> >> an >> >> Elizabeth Mainwaring of Llanedi in 1811, a John of Llannon in 1748 and >> a >> >> Thomas of Llanedi in 1812. Unfortunately no Will for the persons who >> died >> >> in 1851. >> >> >> >> If you have two in 1851 who may have appeared on a census before they >> >> died, >> >> then apart from Llannon, you may find the other in one of the areas >> >> mentioned. >> >> >> >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "A Spell In Time" <spellintime@googlemail.com> >> >> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:43 AM >> >> Subject: [Dyfed] Edward Mainwaring, Llannon, CMN >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi >> >> > >> >> > Edward Mainwaring was born c 1788 in Llannon, Carmarthenshire, and >> >> > lived in Brynteg, near Tumble. According to Free BMD two Edward >> >> > Mainwarings died in 1851, one in the June quarter and one in the >> >> > December quarter. >> >> > >> >> > I want to order my Edward's death certificate but don't know which >> one >> >> > of these two to go for. Does anyone have any information which might >> >> > help me to order for the right certificate? >> >> > >> >> > Keeping my fingers crossed! >> >> > >> >> > With thanks and best wishes >> >> > >> >> > Moni >> >> > >> >> > ================================ >> > >

Dear Moni, >From the Wills index, Wills for several Edward Mainwarings were proven.......... in 1758 (Llannon), 1792 (Llanedi), 1814 ( Llangennech), an Elizabeth Mainwaring of Llanedi in 1811, a John of Llannon in 1748 and a Thomas of Llanedi in 1812. Unfortunately no Will for the persons who died in 1851. If you have two in 1851 who may have appeared on a census before they died, then apart from Llannon, you may find the other in one of the areas mentioned. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Spell In Time" <spellintime@googlemail.com> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Edward Mainwaring, Llannon, CMN > Hi > > Edward Mainwaring was born c 1788 in Llannon, Carmarthenshire, and > lived in Brynteg, near Tumble. According to Free BMD two Edward > Mainwarings died in 1851, one in the June quarter and one in the > December quarter. > > I want to order my Edward's death certificate but don't know which one > of these two to go for. Does anyone have any information which might > help me to order for the right certificate? > > Keeping my fingers crossed! > > With thanks and best wishes > > Moni > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Moni I've found the local register offices quite helpful. I usually phone and tell them my problem and they usually say put it in writing and give them a phone number and they will try and see what they can do. Usually they are prepared to search a five year period. Although FreeBMD doesn't give ages for the early records the certificates do have the age at death on them. Also you could search burial records as they give ages and sometimes address. Someone on the list might have access to parish records. Yvonne On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:48 AM, A Spell In Time <spellintime@googlemail.com > wrote: > Thanks Bettye and Yvonne for your replies. > > Bettye, thanks for checking the wills index. The early Edward and John > Mainwarings of Llannon may link in with my family, but I haven't > traced that far back yet. Perhaps my Edward who died in 1851 did not > make a will because the family were poor. > > Sadly the 1851 census is not helpful in clarifying which of the two > possible death certificate to order for my Edward Mainwaring. There > were two Edward Mainwarings (of roughly similar ages) in the same > registration district in the 1851 census. Unfortunately the death > indices at that time recorded only the name and registration district > of the deceased, not the age. So I can't tell from Free BMD which of > the two Edward Mainwaring deaths in 1851 is mine. > > Yvonne, I'll try your suggestion of contacting the local register > office to see if they are prepared to check the certificates for me > before I order. I didn't know that they would do this. That would > avoid me having to spend money unnecessarily through plumping for the > wrong certificate as I have done many times in the past in similar > situations! > > With thanks for your help and best wishes > > Moni > > 2010/1/6 Yvonne Watson <yvonne.watson@gmail.com>: > > Moni > > If you know the age of your Edward then it might be worth contacting the > > local register office who could check the certificates for you and send > the > > appropriate one. Of course the two Edwards might have been a similar age > so > > any other information you have on him will help. > > I agree with Bettye in that you might be able to distinquish between the > two > > on the 1851 census. > > Good Luck > > Yvonne > > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:06 AM, LC & BJ Kirkwood < > lki59595@bigpond.net.au> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Moni, > >> > >> >From the Wills index, Wills for several Edward Mainwarings were > >> proven.......... in 1758 (Llannon), 1792 (Llanedi), 1814 ( Llangennech), > >> an > >> Elizabeth Mainwaring of Llanedi in 1811, a John of Llannon in 1748 and a > >> Thomas of Llanedi in 1812. Unfortunately no Will for the persons who > died > >> in 1851. > >> > >> If you have two in 1851 who may have appeared on a census before they > >> died, > >> then apart from Llannon, you may find the other in one of the areas > >> mentioned. > >> > >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "A Spell In Time" <spellintime@googlemail.com> > >> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:43 AM > >> Subject: [Dyfed] Edward Mainwaring, Llannon, CMN > >> > >> > >> > Hi > >> > > >> > Edward Mainwaring was born c 1788 in Llannon, Carmarthenshire, and > >> > lived in Brynteg, near Tumble. According to Free BMD two Edward > >> > Mainwarings died in 1851, one in the June quarter and one in the > >> > December quarter. > >> > > >> > I want to order my Edward's death certificate but don't know which one > >> > of these two to go for. Does anyone have any information which might > >> > help me to order for the right certificate? > >> > > >> > Keeping my fingers crossed! > >> > > >> > With thanks and best wishes > >> > > >> > Moni > >> > > >> > ================================ >

Thanks Bettye and Yvonne for your replies. Bettye, thanks for checking the wills index. The early Edward and John Mainwarings of Llannon may link in with my family, but I haven't traced that far back yet. Perhaps my Edward who died in 1851 did not make a will because the family were poor. Sadly the 1851 census is not helpful in clarifying which of the two possible death certificate to order for my Edward Mainwaring. There were two Edward Mainwarings (of roughly similar ages) in the same registration district in the 1851 census. Unfortunately the death indices at that time recorded only the name and registration district of the deceased, not the age. So I can't tell from Free BMD which of the two Edward Mainwaring deaths in 1851 is mine. Yvonne, I'll try your suggestion of contacting the local register office to see if they are prepared to check the certificates for me before I order. I didn't know that they would do this. That would avoid me having to spend money unnecessarily through plumping for the wrong certificate as I have done many times in the past in similar situations! With thanks for your help and best wishes Moni 2010/1/6 Yvonne Watson <yvonne.watson@gmail.com>: > Moni > If you know the age of your Edward then it might be worth contacting the > local register office who could check the certificates for you and send the > appropriate one. Of course the two Edwards might have been a similar age so > any other information you have on him will help. > I agree with Bettye in that you might be able to distinquish between the two > on the 1851 census. > Good Luck > Yvonne > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:06 AM, LC & BJ Kirkwood <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> > wrote: >> >> Dear Moni, >> >> >From the Wills index,  Wills for several Edward Mainwarings were >> proven.......... in 1758 (Llannon), 1792 (Llanedi), 1814 ( Llangennech), >> an >> Elizabeth Mainwaring of Llanedi in 1811, a John of Llannon in 1748 and a >> Thomas of Llanedi in 1812.  Unfortunately no Will for the persons who died >> in 1851. >> >> If you have two in 1851 who may have appeared on a census before they >> died, >> then apart from Llannon, you may find the other in one of the areas >> mentioned. >> >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "A Spell In Time" <spellintime@googlemail.com> >> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:43 AM >> Subject: [Dyfed] Edward Mainwaring, Llannon, CMN >> >> >> > Hi >> > >> > Edward Mainwaring was born c 1788 in Llannon, Carmarthenshire, and >> > lived in Brynteg, near Tumble. According to Free BMD two Edward >> > Mainwarings died in 1851, one in the June quarter and one in the >> > December quarter. >> > >> > I want to order my Edward's death certificate but don't know which one >> > of these two to go for. Does anyone have any information which might >> > help me to order for the right certificate? >> > >> > Keeping my fingers crossed! >> > >> > With thanks and best wishes >> > >> > Moni >> > >> > ================================

Moni If you know the age of your Edward then it might be worth contacting the local register office who could check the certificates for you and send the appropriate one. Of course the two Edwards might have been a similar age so any other information you have on him will help. I agree with Bettye in that you might be able to distinquish between the two on the 1851 census. Good Luck Yvonne On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:06 AM, LC & BJ Kirkwood <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>wrote: > Dear Moni, > > >From the Wills index, Wills for several Edward Mainwarings were > proven.......... in 1758 (Llannon), 1792 (Llanedi), 1814 ( Llangennech), an > Elizabeth Mainwaring of Llanedi in 1811, a John of Llannon in 1748 and a > Thomas of Llanedi in 1812. Unfortunately no Will for the persons who died > in 1851. > > If you have two in 1851 who may have appeared on a census before they died, > then apart from Llannon, you may find the other in one of the areas > mentioned. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A Spell In Time" <spellintime@googlemail.com> > To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:43 AM > Subject: [Dyfed] Edward Mainwaring, Llannon, CMN > > > > Hi > > > > Edward Mainwaring was born c 1788 in Llannon, Carmarthenshire, and > > lived in Brynteg, near Tumble. According to Free BMD two Edward > > Mainwarings died in 1851, one in the June quarter and one in the > > December quarter. > > > > I want to order my Edward's death certificate but don't know which one > > of these two to go for. Does anyone have any information which might > > help me to order for the right certificate? > > > > Keeping my fingers crossed! > > > > With thanks and best wishes > > > > Moni > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Edward Mainwaring was born c 1788 in Llannon, Carmarthenshire, and lived in Brynteg, near Tumble. According to Free BMD two Edward Mainwarings died in 1851, one in the June quarter and one in the December quarter. I want to order my Edward's death certificate but don't know which one of these two to go for. Does anyone have any information which might help me to order for the right certificate? Keeping my fingers crossed! With thanks and best wishes Moni

Hi, Try looking at the 1841 census for Thomas aged 2 and born in Carm with a father Morgan aged around 23 born in Carm. Ages were not always exact. It is possible that his wife died in the 8 months just before the 1851 census was taken and that his family or his in-laws moved to help him bring up his children. His wife might have been a Jones. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathryn Davies" <cathryndavies@ukonline.co.uk> To: "DYFED FHS" <DYFED-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:34 PM Subject: [Dyfed] DYFED Davies@Gwynfe >I posted this some time ago, and try again, in case anyone recognises a > Gwynfe connection. > 1851, Llangwig census Pengraiggarw No 2 > Morgan Davies head married 33 miner Carmarthen > Thomas son 12 miner > Carmarthen > Margaret daughter 9 Glam > Mary " 6 > " > Betsy " 3 > " > John son 8mths > " > Margaret Jones mother 80 Farmers Gwynfe > widow > Elizabeth " sister 36 " > " > Llewellyn " nephew 11 > " > John " " 10 > " > The relationships are problematic. I have failed to find any BMD > certificates that help. I would love to know who Morgan married, and > where he came from. Cathryn > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Richard, Thank you.....(Meg, I did make an error when writing down the month). This information will save Meg from purchasing the parish register entry, unless she wishes to see if John Griffiths signed......if he did, then you will be able to identify the "s" on the end of the surname.....and also find out if the bride and groom could write, or signed with a mark. Bettye Kirkwood...(who values Richard Rose's book as a great acquisition!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Rose" <rrose@otterquillbooks.com> To: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] JONES & GRIFFITHS, Pembroke & Jeffreston Pembrokeshire > The correct date of the marriage seems to be 11.3.1823 and the details of > the entry are: > > William Jones m. Mary Griffiths, St Mary's, at St Michael's 11.3.1823. > Minister, Charles Philipps, vicar. Witnesses, John Griffiths, George > Froyne [the Parish Clerk]. > > I hope this helps. > > Yours sincerely, > > Richard Rose > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> > To: <meghoppe@gmail.com>; "Dyfed List <" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] JONES & GRIFFITHS, Pembroke & Jeffreston > Pembrokeshire > > >> Dear Meg, >> >> A William Jones married Mary Griffiths of St. Mary, Pembroke at Pembroke >> St. >> Michael on 11/07/1823...from Pemb. 1813-37 marriages index. >> >> A John Griffiths in 1799 at Llandewi Velfrey married Martha Rees from >> pre-1813 marriage records .......married in the Narberth Hundred, which >> includes Jeffreston. >> >> I can not be sure that either of these couples are the correct >> ones....but >> they are the only marriages I found in which the names matched. >> If you purchased copies of the two parish register marriage entries from >> Pembrokeshire Records Office, Haverfordwest, then you may be able to >> obtain >> names of witnesses and widen your search to see if the witnesses appear >> to >> be relatives. >> >> Jones and Griffiths...you could not search for more common names, >> unfortunately! >> At Jeffreston ....... >> Alexander Griffiths 1785 married Anne Browne >> Joseph Griffiths 1789 m. Mary Moy >> Thomas Griffiths 1789 m. Mary Hughs >> Thomas Griffiths 1792 m. Esther Lewis >> Thomas Griffiths 1793 m. Ann Thomas >> William Griffiths 1794 m. Elizabeth Richards >> >> As folks often married in the bride's parish, it is debatable as to >> whether >> any of these were related to John Griffiths. He may have been living and >> working away from his birthplace. At Llandewi Velfrey a David Griffiths >> 1778 married Martha Davies. He may or may not be related to John, and >> there are a couple of Griffiths males married there in earlier years. >> >> If John GRIFFITH and a Martha were Mary's parents, then their marriage >> (in >> the same Hundred) might be between >> John Griffith and Martha Phillip 1789 Llandewi Velfrey >> John Griffith 1790 at Begelly married Martha Davies >> John Griffith 1790 at Carew married Martha Palmer >> >> This all must be very confusing, but there may be something here to which >> you can relate. >> >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Meg Hoppe" <meghoppe@gmail.com> >> To: "Dyfed List <" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:26 AM >> Subject: [Dyfed] JONES & GRIFFITHS, Pembroke & Jeffreston Pembrokeshire >> >> >>> Hello List >>> I am new to this list, and I am hoping that someone can help me with >>> tracing some JONES & GRIFFITHS ancestors. They lived in Coleford & >>> Cinderford Gloucestershire, but were born in Pembrokeshire. >>> >>> I have William JONES a stone mason (born about 1804 in Pembrokeshire - >>> might >>> have been in Pembroke) and his wife Mary (born about 1799 in Jeffreston >>> Pembrokeshire). >>> >>> The record for the nonconformist baptism of their daughter Martha in >>> 1831 >>> names Mary's parents as being John & Martha GRIFFITH[S]. Other records >>> indicate the family was Wesleyan Methodists. >>> >>> I'd appreciate any information/suggestions about the marriage of William >>> & >>> Mary JONES and/or John & Martha GRIFFITHS. >>> Also about the baptisms of any of the above. >>> >>> Meg >>> BC Canada >>> >>> ================================ >>> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

>From my transcription of all the P.R.’s of Pembroke St Michael 1711 to 1950’s and in the register for the period 1814 to 1837 I note; 11 Mar 1823 William Jones a Bach of Pembroke St Michael married Mary Griffiths of Pembroke St Mary by banns in front of C. Phillips. Both signed their names in the presence of George Froyne and John Griffiths (Notes; 1.George Froyne was Parish clerk of this parish at the time, a position that would stay in the family both here and at Pembroke St Mary for generations to come. 2.A Bride or groom only had to reside in a parish for a minimum of 6 weeks to be of that parish at mrge. Therefore the parish shown at mrge may well have no relationship to the parish of baptism or even of birth) >From my transcription of the Parish registers of Pembroke St Mary in the Baptism register for the period 1748 to 1812 I note the following; 01 Jan 1800 William to William & Ann Jones baptized 21 Sept 1800 William to William & Frances baptized 13 Apr 1806 William to William and Elizabeth Jones baptized 14 June 1807 William to David & Elizabeth Jones baptized 11 Nov 1807 William to Samuel and Anne Jones baptized For Pembroke St Michael from my transcription of the baptism register covering period 1796 to 1812 I note 10 Aug 1803 William to George and Martha baptized 24 Aug 1806 William to James & Elizabeth baptized. >From my transcription of the baptism register of Pembroke St Mary 1748 to 1812 I note there is no mention of a baptism to a Mary Griffiths around the time of your interest. There is a Mary baptized in 1755. The same goes for Pembroke St Michael from the register 1796 to 1812 there is no mention of the baptism of a Mary Griffiths. The Weslyan Chapel of this period is now a private property. The later Weslyan Chapel is now an Antique Centre. If required I can supply jpegs of both. Do not go buying copies from the Rec Off, when I can assist you for a lot less (free). Gd Hunting Owen Vaughan ORIEL a welsh window on a surname 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009

Dear Meg, A William Jones married Mary Griffiths of St. Mary, Pembroke at Pembroke St. Michael on 11/07/1823...from Pemb. 1813-37 marriages index. A John Griffiths in 1799 at Llandewi Velfrey married Martha Rees from pre-1813 marriage records .......married in the Narberth Hundred, which includes Jeffreston. I can not be sure that either of these couples are the correct ones....but they are the only marriages I found in which the names matched. If you purchased copies of the two parish register marriage entries from Pembrokeshire Records Office, Haverfordwest, then you may be able to obtain names of witnesses and widen your search to see if the witnesses appear to be relatives. Jones and Griffiths...you could not search for more common names, unfortunately! At Jeffreston ....... Alexander Griffiths 1785 married Anne Browne Joseph Griffiths 1789 m. Mary Moy Thomas Griffiths 1789 m. Mary Hughs Thomas Griffiths 1792 m. Esther Lewis Thomas Griffiths 1793 m. Ann Thomas William Griffiths 1794 m. Elizabeth Richards As folks often married in the bride's parish, it is debatable as to whether any of these were related to John Griffiths. He may have been living and working away from his birthplace. At Llandewi Velfrey a David Griffiths 1778 married Martha Davies. He may or may not be related to John, and there are a couple of Griffiths males married there in earlier years. If John GRIFFITH and a Martha were Mary's parents, then their marriage (in the same Hundred) might be between John Griffith and Martha Phillip 1789 Llandewi Velfrey John Griffith 1790 at Begelly married Martha Davies John Griffith 1790 at Carew married Martha Palmer This all must be very confusing, but there may be something here to which you can relate. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Hoppe" <meghoppe@gmail.com> To: "Dyfed List <" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:26 AM Subject: [Dyfed] JONES & GRIFFITHS, Pembroke & Jeffreston Pembrokeshire > Hello List > I am new to this list, and I am hoping that someone can help me with > tracing some JONES & GRIFFITHS ancestors. They lived in Coleford & > Cinderford Gloucestershire, but were born in Pembrokeshire. > > I have William JONES a stone mason (born about 1804 in Pembrokeshire - > might > have been in Pembroke) and his wife Mary (born about 1799 in Jeffreston > Pembrokeshire). > > The record for the nonconformist baptism of their daughter Martha in 1831 > names Mary's parents as being John & Martha GRIFFITH[S]. Other records > indicate the family was Wesleyan Methodists. > > I'd appreciate any information/suggestions about the marriage of William & > Mary JONES and/or John & Martha GRIFFITHS. > Also about the baptisms of any of the above. > > Meg > BC Canada > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

The correct date of the marriage seems to be 11.3.1823 and the details of the entry are: William Jones m. Mary Griffiths, St Mary's, at St Michael's 11.3.1823. Minister, Charles Philipps, vicar. Witnesses, John Griffiths, George Froyne [the Parish Clerk]. I hope this helps. Yours sincerely, Richard Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> To: <meghoppe@gmail.com>; "Dyfed List <" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] JONES & GRIFFITHS, Pembroke & Jeffreston Pembrokeshire > Dear Meg, > > A William Jones married Mary Griffiths of St. Mary, Pembroke at Pembroke > St. > Michael on 11/07/1823...from Pemb. 1813-37 marriages index. > > A John Griffiths in 1799 at Llandewi Velfrey married Martha Rees from > pre-1813 marriage records .......married in the Narberth Hundred, which > includes Jeffreston. > > I can not be sure that either of these couples are the correct ones....but > they are the only marriages I found in which the names matched. > If you purchased copies of the two parish register marriage entries from > Pembrokeshire Records Office, Haverfordwest, then you may be able to > obtain > names of witnesses and widen your search to see if the witnesses appear to > be relatives. > > Jones and Griffiths...you could not search for more common names, > unfortunately! > At Jeffreston ....... > Alexander Griffiths 1785 married Anne Browne > Joseph Griffiths 1789 m. Mary Moy > Thomas Griffiths 1789 m. Mary Hughs > Thomas Griffiths 1792 m. Esther Lewis > Thomas Griffiths 1793 m. Ann Thomas > William Griffiths 1794 m. Elizabeth Richards > > As folks often married in the bride's parish, it is debatable as to > whether > any of these were related to John Griffiths. He may have been living and > working away from his birthplace. At Llandewi Velfrey a David Griffiths > 1778 married Martha Davies. He may or may not be related to John, and > there are a couple of Griffiths males married there in earlier years. > > If John GRIFFITH and a Martha were Mary's parents, then their marriage (in > the same Hundred) might be between > John Griffith and Martha Phillip 1789 Llandewi Velfrey > John Griffith 1790 at Begelly married Martha Davies > John Griffith 1790 at Carew married Martha Palmer > > This all must be very confusing, but there may be something here to which > you can relate. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Meg Hoppe" <meghoppe@gmail.com> > To: "Dyfed List <" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:26 AM > Subject: [Dyfed] JONES & GRIFFITHS, Pembroke & Jeffreston Pembrokeshire > > >> Hello List >> I am new to this list, and I am hoping that someone can help me with >> tracing some JONES & GRIFFITHS ancestors. They lived in Coleford & >> Cinderford Gloucestershire, but were born in Pembrokeshire. >> >> I have William JONES a stone mason (born about 1804 in Pembrokeshire - >> might >> have been in Pembroke) and his wife Mary (born about 1799 in Jeffreston >> Pembrokeshire). >> >> The record for the nonconformist baptism of their daughter Martha in 1831 >> names Mary's parents as being John & Martha GRIFFITH[S]. Other records >> indicate the family was Wesleyan Methodists. >> >> I'd appreciate any information/suggestions about the marriage of William >> & >> Mary JONES and/or John & Martha GRIFFITHS. >> Also about the baptisms of any of the above. >> >> Meg >> BC Canada >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Moni It's better to have two replies than none - so you don't need to apologise for not remembering it was me. My memory is certainly not so good these days. Happy new year to you and all listers. Pat In message <8b2612691001040511r468af34awd9a5c95e4d92d6d9@mail.gmail.com> , A Spell In Time <spellintime@googlemail.com> writes >Of course Pat it was you on this list (not on the Glamorgan list) that >clarified the same issue for me a few weeks ago! When I wrote my reply >to Alison in the early hours of this morning, my fuddled brain somehow >transferred you and our previous correspondence to the Glamorgan list! >My apologies! > >Thankfuly you have written a succinct and much clearer explanation to >Alison than mine. > >A Happy New Year and very best wishes to all. > >Moni -- pat

Dear Annie, Pat and Moni Thanks so much for your replies on this, it's helpful and cleared up some confusion for me! Last night, someone else suggested GM might have been the initials of the registrar, but they couldn't explain what they took to be "eleven". Annie and anyone else, there is a book The Black Flag Over Carmarthen, by Peter Goodall: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Flag-Over-Carmarthen-Punishment/dp/0863819664/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262616734&sr=8-1 which tells the story of some of the executions there. Thomas RICHARDS (whose death certificate I was enquiring about), is in this book. Note, I've no connection with the book. Alison 2010/1/4 pat <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk>: > Hello > > This situation came up a short while ago. > > The Eleven GM is the number o the correction in the record book and the > GM is the initials of George Morgan the Registrar. > > The correction is in the date column changing the words Twenty ninth to > figures 29th. > > > According to the law under the registrations' Acts if an error   was > made before the entry had been completed by the registrar's signature > then the mistake was crossed through and the correction numbered by the > error  and written and initialled e.g. eleven GM in this case by the > side. > The numbering started at one for each register - so in this case this > must have been the eleventh error in this register. > Looking again at the certificate  next to the part in error is 11. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > The rules also say the error must be underlined but as the two names are > on the ruled lines on the certificate then that presumably suffices. > > > > In message <8CC5AF645587964-5C3C-11BA4@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>, > cardi2@aol.com writes >> >> Hi: >> >>Thanks for supplying a copy of the death certificate.  I did not know that >>Carmarthen had a prison in 1894. >> >>Re the writing at the far right of the certificate - it looks like somebody's >>name and initials.  I don't think it has anything to do with the actual >>certificate.  Actually I read the GM as an EM. >> >>Annie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Attached Message >> >> >> >>From: >> >>Alison Bryan <alison.bryan@gmail.com> >> >> >> >>To: >> >>Dyfed List <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> >> >> >>Subject: >> >>[Dyfed] Death certificate query >> >> >> >>Date: >> >>Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:02:55 +0000 >> >> >> >> >>Dear all >> >>A death certificate arrived this morning.  You can see it here: >>http://www.llwynonn.eclipse.co.uk/borth/Thomas%20Richards%20death%201894.jpg >> >>Thomas Richards (cert above) murdered his sister in law, Mary Davies >>of Borth, and was subsequently hanged.  Mary Davies is supposed to be >>a blood relative of mine.  I have various newspaper reports and this >>is even in a couple of books.  However, I've yet to prove the link to >>my family (and what I'm currently working on). >> >>What I wanted to ask .... the death certificate, the very right, >>outside the column for signature for registrar .... there is (what >>looks like) "Elevin GM".  Could anyone cast a light on what this may >>be? >> >>Thanks, Alison >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>================================ >>Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >>with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >>the message > > -- > pat > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Of course Pat it was you on this list (not on the Glamorgan list) that clarified the same issue for me a few weeks ago! When I wrote my reply to Alison in the early hours of this morning, my fuddled brain somehow transferred you and our previous correspondence to the Glamorgan list! My apologies! Thankfuly you have written a succinct and much clearer explanation to Alison than mine. A Happy New Year and very best wishes to all. Moni 2010/1/4 pat <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk>: > Hello > > This situation came up a short while ago. > > The Eleven GM is the number o the correction in the record book and the > GM is the initials of George Morgan the Registrar. > > The correction is in the date column changing the words Twenty ninth to > figures 29th. > > > According to the law under the registrations' Acts if an error   was > made before the entry had been completed by the registrar's signature > then the mistake was crossed through and the correction numbered by the > error  and written and initialled e.g. eleven GM in this case by the > side. > The numbering started at one for each register - so in this case this > must have been the eleventh error in this register. > Looking again at the certificate  next to the part in error is 11. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > The rules also say the error must be underlined but as the two names are > on the ruled lines on the certificate then that presumably suffices. > > > > In message <8CC5AF645587964-5C3C-11BA4@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>, > cardi2@aol.com writes >> >> Hi: >> >>Thanks for supplying a copy of the death certificate.  I did not know that >>Carmarthen had a prison in 1894. >> >>Re the writing at the far right of the certificate - it looks like somebody's >>name and initials.  I don't think it has anything to do with the actual >>certificate.  Actually I read the GM as an EM. >> >>Annie >> >> >>Attached Message >> >> >> >>From: >> >>Alison Bryan <alison.bryan@gmail.com> >> >> >> >>To: >> >>Dyfed List <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> >> >> >>Subject: >> >>[Dyfed] Death certificate query >> >> >> >>Date: >> >>Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:02:55 +0000 >> >> >> >> >>Dear all >> >>A death certificate arrived this morning.  You can see it here: >>http://www.llwynonn.eclipse.co.uk/borth/Thomas%20Richards%20death%201894.jpg >> >>Thomas Richards (cert above) murdered his sister in law, Mary Davies >>of Borth, and was subsequently hanged.  Mary Davies is supposed to be >>a blood relative of mine.  I have various newspaper reports and this >>is even in a couple of books.  However, I've yet to prove the link to >>my family (and what I'm currently working on). >> >>What I wanted to ask .... the death certificate, the very right, >>outside the column for signature for registrar .... there is (what >>looks like) "Elevin GM".  Could anyone cast a light on what this may >>be? >> >>Thanks, Alison >>