Western Mail Friday May 28th 1926. One Penny. FAMILY ANNOUNCEMENTS. BIRTHS. DAVIES.- On May 27th, to Mr.and Mrs. H.V. DAVIES, The Single, Ebbw Vale, a son. MARRIAGES. KEATING - HERBERT.- On May 27th, At Our Lady's Church, Mountain Ash, by the Rev.Father MOONEY, Joseph KEATING, of Mountain Ash, to Annie youngest daughter of the late William Lloyd HERBERT, Sunny Bank, Mountain Ash. DEATHS. BOWEN.- On May 26th at Highmead, Victoria-avenue, Porthcawl, Charles Thomas BOWEN, dearly-loved husband of Emily Maud BOWEN. Service at All Saints' Church on Saturday at Three. Interment at Newton later. Requiem at Eight o'clock on Saturday morning All Saints. JONES.- On May 25th, at Belgravia, Aberayron. David, thge beloved brother of Rev. William JONES, Rector of Llansoy, aged 60 years. Interment at Gwnnws on Saturday. JONES.- May 26th, at Rockingham, Briton Ferry, Margaret, the beloved wife of James JONES. Funeral Monday;  G.O. KERNICK.- May 24th, at Singapore, result of motor accident. Henry William, much loved husband of Constance KERNICK, Harbour House, Porthcawl. MORGAN.- On May 21st, at 50, North Parade, Aberystwyth, James MORGAN, aged 86, for over 50 years a faithful friend of the Gwilym JAMES family. MORGAN.- At 15, Cymmer-road, Caerau, on May 26, 1926 Margaret, the beloved wife of the Rev. J. Hopkin MORGAN. Funeral Monday, by road to Ebbw Vale Cemetery, arriving 3.30, leaving Caerau Twelve Noon;  G.O. OLIVER.- May 26th, at 26,Seymour-street, Aberdare, William OLIVER, beloved husband of Edith OLIVER, aged 49. Funeral Monday. Three p.m.; G. O. N. F. REES.- Edward, beloved husband of the late Jennett REES, of Plymouth House, Llantwit Major, died May 26. Funeral Saturday, 3.30, Llantwit Major Churchyard; G. O. THOMAS.- On May 26th, at Ton-Mawr-avenure, Blaenavon., Annie, daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs William THOMAS, Blaenavon.- Deeply mourned by her Brothers and Sisters. Funeral private.  N.F. THORNE.- On May 26, at 124, Windsor-road, Penarth, POeter THORNE, Builder, aged 82 years. Funeral Saturday, 11.30 for St. Augustine's Church;  G.O. ACKNOWLEDGMENTS. STEPHENSON.- The Sisters of the late R. STEPHENSON wish to thank all friends for their kindness and floral tributes. IN MEMORIAM. CHRISTOPHER.- In Loving and Affectionate Remembrance of my darling son Harold, who died on May 28th, 1924.- Ever remembered by his sorrowing Mother, Brothers, and Sisters./short verse. HUTCHINS.- In Ever-loving Memory of Victor HUTCHINS, son of John and Pollie HUTCHINS, Bryngwyn, Llanharan, who died May 28th 1913. JONES.- In Loving Memory of David, beloved son of Mr. and Mrs. JONES, Bedlinog Inn, Bedlinog, who died at Aberdare Hospital Masy 28th, 1924.- Sadly missed by his sorrowing Mother, Father, Sisters, and Brother. JONES.- In Loving Memory of our dear brother, David, who died May 28th, 1924.- Fondly remembered by Lil and Jack. LEIGH.- In Tenderest Memory of Mrs. LEIGH, Llansannor, who entered into the higher life May 28th 1925.- Lovingly remembered at Noddfa, Trelewis. MANDRY.- On May 28th, 1923. Raymond Windsor, the beloved son of William and Gwenllian MANDRY, Royal Hotel, Pontycymmer. PIGGOTT.- In Loving Memory of my dear son, Percy PIGGOTT, who died May 28th, 1918. From Brothers and Sister.- Ever in Mother's thoughts. PROSSER.- In Fondest Memory of my dear Father, who passed away at Gurnos Cottage May 28th, 1925.-Lizzie.  And the same from Gwen and Ben. John Patrick

Posted here with John Patrick's permission as there a couple of items with Dyfed interest. I have told him that his is welcome to post further items to the list if he wishes. Dai -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GLA] Fw: News Items APRIL 1st to JUNE 30th 1926. Number Two-Hundred fiftytwo Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:18:30 +0000 (GMT) From: J GRIFFITHS <griffiths780@btinternet.com> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com CC: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: J GRIFFITHS <griffiths780@btinternet.com> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Cc: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 25 January, 2010 15:01:46 Subject: [GLA] News Items APRIL 1st to JUNE 30th 1926. Number Two-Hundred fiftyone Western Mail Thursday May 27th 1926. WELSH WEDDINGS. NOBLE - WILLIAMS. The wedding has taken place at Albany-road Baptist Church, Cardiff, of Mr. Arthur J. NOBLE, second son of Mr. W.B. NOBLE, secretary of the National Boot Trades Federation, and Miss Eunice May WILLIAMS, third daughter of Mr. John WILLIAMS, Cameron-street, Splott. The bride was attired in a gown of white satin trimmed with pearls with over-skirt of silver lace, and wore a net veil and wreath of orange blossom. The bridemaids were the Misses Edith, Rosie, and Emily WILLIAMS, (sisters of the bride), the Misses Rosie and Ivy NOBLE (sisters of the bridegroom), and Miss Sybil HARMER (the bride's cousin). The best man was Mr. Walter W. NOBLE and the groomsmen Messrs. Cecil A. NOBLE and Baden WILLIAMS, brothers of the bride and bridegroom. The Rev. J. Sansam ILES officiated. The reception was held at the St. Saviour's Institute, Splott. The honeymoon is being spent in Devon. JONES - JOHNSON. The wedding has taken place at Walters-road Congregational Church, Swansea, of Mr. M.E. Clifford JONES, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs. Owen JONES, of Dark Gate, Carmarthen, and Miss Dilys JOHNSON, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W.T. JOHNSON, of Glanbrydan, Uplands , Swansea. The Rev. Penry EVANS officiated. The bride wore a dress of white crepe satin, adorned with hand-made flowers and diamante, with a bridal veil trimmed with orange blossoms. She was attended by Miss Gwyneth LLEWELLYN, Shrewsbury (a friend) and the Misses Ena MEESON, Builth and Glenys VAUGHAN-SAMUEL, Port Talbot (cousins). The best man was the bridegroom's brother, Mr. J. Rowland JONES, Carmarthen, and Mr. W.T. POWELL, Bristol, Mr. VAUGHAN-SAMUEL, Port Talbot, and Mr. W.A. JOHNSON (the bride's brother) acted as groomsmen. After the ceremony a reception was held at the Baltic Lounge. The honeymoon is being spent at Torquay. THOMAS - SCOURFIELD. The wedding was solemnised at Henllan Congregational Church, Whitland, on Wednesday of Mr. William Collier THOMAS, of Highgate, Llanerchymedd, Anglesey, only son of Mr. Owen THOMAS, M.R.C.V.S., Llanerchymedd, and Miss Annie S. SCOURFIELD, youngest daughter of Mr. John SCOURFIELD, Blaenwernddu, Whitland. The Rev. William THOMAS, of Llanboidy, officiated, assisted by the Rev. Gwilym HIGGS, B.A., Whitland. The bride was attended by her cousin, Miss Muriel EVANS, and the Misses Nancy and Nesta JENKINS (nieces of the bride) were flower girls. Mr. J.C.V. WILLIAMS, Carmarthen, was best man. After a reception at Blaenwernddu, Mr. and Mrs. W.C. THOMAS left for Torquay for the honeymoon. GOLDEN WEDDING.- Coming Celebrations at Manorbier. Mr.and Mrs. Richard WHITE, of Warren Farm, Warren-road, Guildford, are celebrating their Golden Wedding at Westmoor, Manorbier, Pembrokeshire, at Mrs WHITE'S old home. They were married at Manorbier Church on June 1. 1876, and went to Guildford in 1889. Mr and Mrs WHITE have four sons, six daughters, and nine grandchildren. Owing to the sudden death of Mrs. WHITE'S youngest brother the celebrations will be of a quiet nature. Head and Shoulder photograph of Mr. John Dillwyn LLEWELLYN, a Great Western Railway signalman, who has just received the degree of B.Sc. of the London University. Forty-eight years of age, he is self taught, and lives at Port Talbot. (Fox Photos). Mr. Arthur E. HARRIS, 12, Cathedral-road, Cardiff, was successful at Liverpool Championship Dog Show, on Wednesday, with his Welsh terrier bitch " Take Care," and Welsh terrier dog "Hold Up" "Take Care" won two cups, the challenge certificate, four first prizes, and three special prizes, and has qualified as full champion, while "Hold Up" secured the reserve championship and four second prizes. Mr. HARRIS also won the brace class. Mr. T.H. 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Dear Roy, Lynne and Diana The Poor Rate Books were one set of books always kept in the Parish Chest since the Overseers of the Poor who administered the rate prior to 1834 were parish officers.. They are normally listed in the same schedules as the Parish Registers, Minute Books, Letters and anything apertaining to the parish. This is certainly the case in the Pembrokekshire Record Office. However not all parishes were careful to preserve these books once the new Poor Law system came into force in 1834. Where the do still exist, such as Castlemartin, they are excellent sources of additional information. Regards Joy

Annie What you say below makes sense so I will look into it. Thanks for all this hard work - I appreciate the effort that you have put in on my behalf. Your earlier suggestions & information have helped me go back much further. Thanks again. Tommy _____ From: cardi2@aol.com [mailto:cardi2@aol.com] Sent: 24 January 2010 02:14 To: dyfed@tommye.plus.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] re CGN, CELLAN Hi: I sent a copy of the email I sent you yesterday to my cousin who lives in England. We are doing research together. She feels that since Elizabeth's brother was named Stephen, that he might have been named for his grandfather: Stephen Daies of Tafarndy (means Tavern in Welsh). On the 1841 census, there was a Rachel born 1840 living with her parents, Stephen Davies 45 and Racel 40 and older brothers and sisters: DAvid, Anne, William, Elizabeth. (The same first names do run in families.) as wella s Stephen, Bejamin and the Rachel. The head of the family was a Mary Wiliams age 75 a publican. In 1851 they are stil there and in 1871, the father is dead but the mother is still alive and next door is her son Stephen with his family. The Mary Williams might be the wife Rachel Senior's mother. You might want to look at that. Cellan is such a small parish but seems to be filled with people. Annie -----Original Message----- From: Tommy (Dyfed) <dyfed@tommye.plus.com> To: cardi2@aol.com Sent: Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:20 am Subject: RE: [Dyfed] re CGN, CELLAN Annie & all Thanks for that - I will have to look at documents more carefully in the future. Tommy _____ From: <mailto:cardi2@aol.com> cardi2@aol.com [ <mailto:cardi2@aol.com?> mailto:cardi2@aol.com] Sent: 23 January 2010 02:30 To: <mailto:dyfed@tommye.plus.com> dyfed@tommye.plus.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] re CGN, CELLAN Hello Tommy: When you gave me the information off the 1871 census, I think you gave it as what you thought it should be not what it was. You stated that the daughter, Elizabeth was 4 years old on that census, living with her parents, but she wasn't. You passed up a really good clue into her father's ancestry. You see, Elizabeth wasn't with her parents. She was with her grandparents - David and Elizabeth Jones of Tycoch farm, Llanfair Clydogau. David was a carpenter as his son was. Occupations run in families. I went back to the 1851 census in Llanfair Clydogau and found David age 10 with his parents, living on the same farm which is located on the west side of the Teifi River. Don't look for a 1861 census for Llanfair Clydogau or Cellan - it does not exist. David either married a Rachel Davies or a Rachel Jones. Both names are in Cellan and were listed in the FreeBMD under Lampeter Dsitrict which takes in that part of Wales. The only Rachel Davies listed in 1851 was a Rachel the dau of David Davies of Tangaerfach farm, Cellan. The only Rachel Jones was living on Llwynberllan farm with Walter Griffiths and family. She was 15 and an independent it said, which probabl means she was able to make a living. I don't know which is which. You will have to get a marriage certificate to find that out. I will tell you this that your David Jones knew my relatives because they lived next door to each other. And, in 1980, my second cousin, David Tom Morgan of Gartheli Parish used to visit his cousin, David John Morgan who lived on Tycoch. It's a small world. Good luck in your searching. Annie Los Angeles ==============snip=======================

I contacted the archivist of the Pembrokeshire Record Office about my Mary James problem and her reply contained something about the meaning of the term "pauper" when used by census enumerators that I think might be of wider interest. The archivist wrote: "The term 'pauper' was used by the census enumerators to indicate a person with no visible income or means of supporting themselves. It does not necessarily mean that she was receiving poor relief. " If anyone else is interested in poor law and workhouse records for Narberth Parish I am afraid that very little of use seems to have survived. According to the archivist: "we have churchwardens' accounts for 1762-1800 only for Narberth parish. There may be some records still with the parish. Although we have the Guardian's minutes from 1837, we have no early registers of the Narberth workhouse extant and no records of outside relief in the 19th century." Roy

Thanks to list members, I have identifed George JONES born about 1767 in Pwllchrochan, as a potential father of my William JONES who married Mary GRIFFITHS. He is on the 1841 Census in Pembroke St Michael with his wife Martha and on the 1851 Census with his adopted son William Fowler and family. I have what appears to be his marriage - George JONES and Martha THOMAS in St Michaels Pembroke in 1793 - and the baptism of his children Mary in 1799 and William in 1803. Does anyone have access to the parish records for Pwllchrochan? I am wondering if there is a baptism for George in Pwllchrochan around 1767, and possibly for Martha THOMAS around 1765. I am also curious if there were any FOWLERs in Pwllchrochan. George's adopted son William Fowler was baptized as a natural son in 1803 in St Mary's, Pembroke. His own son William named his oldest son George Fowler JONES, so I think there may be a family connection with a FOWLER family. (The only other Fowler I have found in Pembroke is George FOWLER who was a Wesleyan Methodist preacher in 1803.) Also I'd like to find burial records in Pembroke (probably St Michaels) for George and Martha JONES. There are 7 death registrations for George Jones in Pembroke between 1852-1860 - he would have been 85 or older at the time. Martha died between 1842 and 1848 - there are 5 possible registrations for her. Her age would probably have been entered as at least 75. And I am hoping there is a will somewhere for George - I am not sure where to look for a will. I'd appreciate any information or suggestions. Meg BC, Canada

Yvonne wrote: "I wonder why the Parish were prepared to subsidise farmers in their payments to their labourers?" Assuming that events were the same in Dyfed as in Dorset (where I am more knowledgeable) there is a very simple answer. The money paid out by 'the parish' had been collected within the same parish. This was the Poor Rate, and was obtained from the richer people in the parish, such as landowners, professional people, tradesmen and crafts people as well as farmers - see any Genealogy book for explanation of who were the 'rich' ones contributing to the Poor Rate, as it varied with time. The wages of the ag labs were therefore made up to a decent level from the Poor Rate, only *part* of which came from the farmers, instead of them paying a better wage *completely* out of their own pockets. Diana

Dear Roy The following is an extract from my U3A Family History lesson on the Poor Laws and explains why, prior to the 1834 new Poor Law, farmers were given Poor Rate money to increase the wages of their workers to subsistence level thus keeping them fully employed instead of living wholly off the parish. Between 1723 and 1750, about 600 parish workhouses were established in England and Wales. By *1776, when the first official workhouse returns* were made, the number of workhouses had increased to about 2,000 - each with between 20 and 50 inmates. The cost of indoor relief was high and inefficient workhouse management led to increased social pressure for more sympathetic treatment of the poor. This led to the passing of *Thomas **Gilbert's Act* <http://www.victorianweb.org/history/poorlaw/gilbert.html>* in 1782* , the second main act, which was intended to provide a more humane method for the relief. During the 1780s there was an increase in under- and un-employment in rural areas because of high food prices, low wages and the effects of enclosure. Agricultural labourers were hard-hit and claimed on the poor rates for survival. As a result, poor rates increased rapidly, which was unacceptable to the landowners. Gilbert’s Act aimed to organize poor relief on a county basis, with each county being divided into large districts corresponding to a Hundred (an old administrative unit within a county) or other large group of parishes. Such *unions* of parishes could set up a common workhouse, or 'poor house' for the benefit of only the old, the sick and the infirm and orphaned children. No pauper was to be sent to a workhouse more than 10 miles from their own parish, and children ,under the age of seven, were not separated from their parents. Able-bodied paupers were excluded from these poor-houses: instead, either they were to be provided with 1. outdoor relief or 2. employment near their own homes Land-owners, farmers and other employers were to receive allowances from the parish rates so that they could bring wages up to subsistence levels. Gilbert Unions were controlled by a board of Guardians, one from each member parish, elected by ratepayers and appointed by local magistrates. This represented a major shift in power from the parish to the landed gentry. The French Wars from 1793-1815 made importing foodstuffs from Europe difficult and the price of corn, and therefore bread, increased rapidly. In 1795 there were already food shortages due to poor harvests. It was feared that riots would break out so, to avoid civil disturbance ,in 1795 magistrates at Speen, near Newbury, Berkshire, decided to bring in an allowance scale whereby a labourer would have his income supplemented to subsistence level by the parish, according to the price of bread and the number of children in his family. Known as the Speenhamland System it did not pass into law nor was it adopted nationally. It is not part of the Old Poor Laws, nevertheless it is part of the history of support for the poor. It did however produce some anomalies – farmers deliberately paid poor wages knowing their labourers would be subsidized by the ratepayers Others are detailed on the Victorian Web website* and a Google search throws up a lot of websites * www.victorianweb.org/history/poorlaw/poorlawov.html <http://www.victorianweb.org/history/poorlaw/poorlawov.html> - over 80 documents on the Poor Law Regards Joy

Diana, et.al. - When researching family members in Scotland, I found some parish records of cash accounting. During each quarter of a year, the parish would take in money for various things: i.e., mort cloths, burials, fines for irregular marriages, etc. On the opposite side of the page was an accounting of how the money was disbursed to the poor: i.e., money paid from the parish poor fund for a particular widow, orphans, their education, grave digging, etc. These were different records from the kirk session records I had hoped to find, but just as informative. I don't know if there are similar accounting records for parishes in Pembrokeshire. Does anyone know? Lynne in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Trenchard" <diana@trenchar.demon.co.uk> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Support for paupers and their children before andafter1834 > Yvonne wrote: > > "I wonder why the Parish were prepared to subsidise farmers in their > payments to their labourers?" > > Assuming that events were the same in Dyfed as in Dorset (where I am > more knowledgeable) there is a very simple answer. > > The money paid out by 'the parish' had been collected within the same > parish. This was the Poor Rate, and was obtained from the richer > people in the parish, such as landowners, professional people, > tradesmen and crafts people as well as farmers - see any Genealogy > book for explanation of who were the 'rich' ones contributing to the > Poor Rate, as it varied with time. The wages of the ag labs were > therefore made up to a decent level from the Poor Rate, only *part* of > which came from the farmers, instead of them paying a better wage > *completely* out of their own pockets. > > Diana > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2644 - Release Date: 01/25/10 07:36:00

Shw mae /  Hello Roger,   Just in case you do not have these following details.   A Thomas Sambruck, born 15 March 1812 at St Dogmaels held a Register Ticket issued at Southampton in 1845. Number 166877. He was serving as a mate at the time. This ticket could give his description and some appointments in code. They are held in class BT113 at TNA, Kew and were in use from 1845-c1852 but were not issued to master mariners.    Is this Lettice's husband?   hwyl / regards   Reg   www.welshmariners.org.uk --- On Sat, 23/1/10, dyfed-request@rootsweb.com <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: dyfed-request@rootsweb.com <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 5, Issue 28 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, 23 January, 2010, 8:00 Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. Today's Topics:    1. Re: CGN, CELLAN: Help on 1841 Census placename (David Rowlands)    2. PEM: Sambruck (Roger Davies)    3. Photos of: St Michaels' Church & Mt Zion Chapel, Glascoed,       MON; Capel yr Ynys, Cefn Crib, MON; St Peter's Church, Bryngwyn,       MON (John Ball) To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.

Hi all While looking for the image recently requested by David, I chanced upon a chap sentenced to death on 27th July 1835 at Pembrokeshire Assizes for burglary. A happier ending, though, for the sentence was commuted to transportation for life. His name? Fortunatus James. Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire

Thanks Allen, Ancestry would not let we view, they said I need the World wide membership. I was a bit miffed, I've paid them over £80 every year for about 6 or 7 years. Regards David

Sent off list Allen On Sun, 2010-01-24 at 12:15 +0000, David wrote: > Can any lister help with the image of > > Name: Thomas Saies > Age: 34 > Estimated birth year: abt 1801 > Date of Trial: 12 Mar 1835 > Trial Year: 1835 > Location of Trial: Pembrokeshire, Wales > Sentence: Transportation > > > > I only have Ancestry UK > > > > David > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can any lister help with the image of Name: Thomas Saies Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Date of Trial: 12 Mar 1835 Trial Year: 1835 Location of Trial: Pembrokeshire, Wales Sentence: Transportation I only have Ancestry UK David

Hi all, Anyone researching Australian convicts might like to look here:- To celebrate Australia Day, Ancestry is giving free access to convict records from Jan 24-31st. http://www.ancestry.cyclops.amnesia.com.au/convicts/ Nancy

Many thanks to everyone who responded to my original enquiry. The responses have brought various useful resources to my attention and although it seems that the survival of records from Narberth Parish concerning paupers is not very good I will check with the Record Office later. Thanks again, Roy On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:18 PM, yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Roy and Jon, > > This may be of interest to you. My g.g.grandfather of Carno Montgomeryshire > was an agricultural labourer pauper in census of 1841 living with his > family. He was aged 35 and had a wife and children. I read an article that > agricultural labourers were termed paupers also if their income was so low > that they could not exist on it and would be subsidised by the Parish. I > wonder why the Parish were prepared to subsidise farmers in their payments > to their labourers? > Yvonne Evans

I have lost the internet address for the Welsh probate records of St. David. Can someone please give it to me? Thank you in advance for your help. Myrna Crapo

Nancy Thank you for the link. Please be aware that access to the records is via the Ancestry 2 week free trial where you have to give a card number and cancel before the two weeks are up if you don't wish to continue. Having said that you can access Ancestry for free at many local linraries and records offices. Happy hunting Yvonne On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Milne <john.milne@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone researching Australian convicts might like to look here:- > > To celebrate Australia Day, Ancestry is giving free access to convict > records from Jan 24-31st. > > > > http://www.ancestry.cyclops.amnesia.com.au/convicts/ > > Nancy > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Roy and Jon, This may be of interest to you. My g.g.grandfather of Carno Montgomeryshire was an agricultural labourer pauper in census of 1841 living with his family. He was aged 35 and had a wife and children. I read an article that agricultural labourers were termed paupers also if their income was so low that they could not exist on it and would be subsidised by the Parish. I wonder why the Parish were prepared to subsidise farmers in their payments to their labourers? Yvonne Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: <jonmein@aol.com> To: <roydavies@gmail.com>; <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Support for paupers and their children before and after1834 > Roy > > I checked back to my email to you about this yesterday and see that I > should have anticipated your later question posed below. > > Post-1836 Narberth Union Poor Law parish records, where extant, will be at > the Pembrokeshire Record Office (PRO). I have looked at the records for > Begelly (an adjoining parish to the south of Narberth). These do contain > interesting material. However, the survival rate for parish poor law > files in > Pembrokeshire is low. Whether anything has survived for Narberth the PRO > will > advise. > > Apologies for the confusion. > > Jon > > > In a message dated 21/01/2010 23:54:55 GMT Standard Time, > roydavies@gmail.com writes: > > > > Therefore if outdoor relief continued to be provided in Pembrokeshire > in certain cases after 1834 (and I don't suppose there would have > been much point in describing someone in the census as a pauper unless > they were in receipt of assistance) where would such information be > recorded? Presumably (and I could be wrong here) the workhouse records > would only have dealt with people in workhouses and not those > receiving outdoor relief. > > Roy > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Retrospectives: St Stephen's / Harp Inn, Old Radnor, RAD; Trelech Grange, MON Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. St Stephen's Church and the nearby Harp Inn in the village of Old Radnor in the county of Radnorshire (six pictures). This feature was one of the first shown on 'Images of Wales' back in December 1997. 2. The parish of Trelech (Trelleck) Grange in the county of Monmouthshire (seven pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in May 1998. As usual, these webpages will be displayed on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists