Dai, Thank you so much for that link. Bettye has some mind blowing information about the connected families etc, but, I must be really thick as linking them to Eleanor BATINE has been a bit of a problem for me. I don't know Wales and find at the moment, the place names etc, confusining too. I will try and spend some time looking on Genuki and get my head around it. Thank you all for your kindness and patience, Kindest Regards, Carol ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:06:51 +0000 > From: daibevan@clara.co.uk > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE surname query > > Carol, > The name BATTINE (with two 't's) is registered with the Guild of One > Name Studies. An email to battine[at]one-name.org should be able to > give you some help. > > Dai > > Carol Lloyd wrote: >> Dear List, >> I have had such a great deal of help from you in the recent past with my JAMES/JOHN/LLOYD and connected families from Pembroke, and I am loathe to ask again, but, I do have a question to ask if I may? >> >> Where can I find the Parents/Siblings of Eleanor BATINE who married John JAMES, Farmer of Pencnwc Farm, in the parish of Dinas in 1839? >> I am intrigued by her surname? >> >> I have tried googling the name BATINE and it appears that it is Spanish in origin, would anyone know if that is correct please? >> >> Many thanks for any help offered, >> Kindest Regards, >> Carol Lloyd >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Dear Bettye, Many thanks for your reply, of course you did give the comprehensive information below, and I am eternally grateful,but,DOH! I can't seem to get my head around it and make the connections. I will look at the will again and see what I can do about it :0) Thank you so much, you are so good and patient with me. Kindest Regards, Carol. ---------------------------------------- > From: lki59595@bigpond.net.au > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE surname query > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:55:53 +1100 > > Dear Carol, > > I can't tell you the origin of the surname, and I thought, obviously > incorrectly, I had given you plenty of clues to follow with the article by > Major Jones "Lloyds of Hendre and Cwmgloyne" in which it is stated that the > nine children of Evan Williams of Trellyffant, Nevern who died in 1803 and > his wife Anne daughter of Evan Llewelin of Llandre included No. 7 "Elizabeth > Williams, baptised in 1770, married Thomas Batine of Llanwnwr, Llanwnda > parish. She died on 25 July 1853 and her husband on 21 February 1855, both > aged 84. One of their seven children, namely Bridget Batine, married on 29 > July 1828 John Williams (died 1869 aged 68) of Felindre near St. > Nicholas........."- > > Thomas Batine married Elizabeth Williams in 1802 at Nevern. His Will is > easily accessible on The National Library of Wales - pre 1858 Wills > site...year 1855. > > Thomas Batine, Gentleman, left a comprehensive Will in which his daughter > Elizabeth played a major role, but he also mentioned Bridget Williams of > Granston, a granddaughter Ann Clement James, other James grandchildren but > not my name, and his daughter Eleanor James. The last item in the Will is > a statement by John James, Eleanor's husband that Elizabeth's surname is > shown incorrectly in the Will, and that she is at that time Elizabeth > SAMBRUCK. > > Please go on-line and check it out for yourself. Someone may be able to > give you more information about these families. or you could perhaps chase > them through census entries. > > Under Llanwnwr, Llanwnda, Major Jones wrote "1789 Thomas Griffith, Esq. gave > a lease of Llanwnwr (minerals excepted), and certain rooms reserved to > lessor) to William Batine of Barrett's Hill, Steynton, gent for the lives of > William's wife Dorothy and their children, Thomas and Mary Batine. > Thomas Batine the son remained there till his death in 1855. The family of > Mortimer (from Trehowel) came to live there......." > > I'm sorry....I had William Batine's will abstract in my hand only the other > day, but it has disappeared into my boxes, but you can also look at it on > the website. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Lloyd" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:44 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] BATINE surname query > > >> >> Dear List, >> I have had such a great deal of help from you in the recent past with my >> JAMES/JOHN/LLOYD and connected families from Pembroke, and I am loathe to >> ask again, but, I do have a question to ask if I may? >> >> Where can I find the Parents/Siblings of Eleanor BATINE who married John >> JAMES, Farmer of Pencnwc Farm, in the parish of Dinas in 1839? >> I am intrigued by her surname? >> >> I have tried googling the name BATINE and it appears that it is Spanish in >> origin, would anyone know if that is correct please? >> >> Many thanks for any help offered, >> Kindest Regards, >> Carol Lloyd >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Hi Bettye and Carol, I am sorry Carol if I have drawn attention away from your search for "Batine" I should be very interested to know of your search results. I wonder why someone of that name lived in North Pembs? The |Peregrine study has nearly defeated me! and Bettye I have heard of the strong possibility that the name is interchangeable with Perkins. There were many Perkins on the borders of Pembs and Carms in the 19th Century but have now "dried up" One tale given me was that 12 brothers came into Milford Haven as refugees around 1600 and scattered throughout Dyfed((apparently f rom the Netherlands) I was told this by a much respected chapel minister whose mother was a Peregrine of Carms. I wish I had not heard that tale as it has really confused me!! Carol I hope you have a successful search! Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> To: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk>; "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE surname query > Dear Yvonne, > > Here is the first paragraph I have written for my own Peregrine..........I > am not saying I am correct.....but this is what my own research has > revealed. > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > Peregrine Devonald was an original.a "one-off". No other Devonald, before > or since, appears to have borne the given name of Peregrine. "Peregrine" > is a fairly rare, though recognised surname in Wales and is said to have > derived from the latinisation of the name Perkins. The "peregrini" were > travellers, pilgrims..Celtic Saints who travelled between Britain and > Ireland. Peregrine Devonald's ancestry may have foundations, at present > unknown, in a family surnamed Peregrine. Perkin de Hoda appears in > Pembrokeshire history, as does David Gwilym Perkin descended from the > illustrious ruler of Deheubarth, Rhys ap Tewdwr. Peregrine could descend > from undiscovered Devonalds, or his unknown mother may have had some > connection to a Perkin. As Peregrine named his son William, it is > possible, and considered most likely, that he descended from William > Devonald, one of the five sons of James Devonald who died in 1584/5 from > his second marriage to Angharad, daughter of Thomas Lloyd of Vagwr Goch, > Llantood. > > ....................From Yvonne....... > . I have ancestors with French sounding name who have >> been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is >> Peregrine.I >> am still trying to sort it out! >> Best wishes >> Yvonne Evans >

Carol, The name BATTINE (with two 't's) is registered with the Guild of One Name Studies. An email to battine[at]one-name.org should be able to give you some help. Dai Carol Lloyd wrote: > Dear List, > I have had such a great deal of help from you in the recent past with my JAMES/JOHN/LLOYD and connected families from Pembroke, and I am loathe to ask again, but, I do have a question to ask if I may? > > Where can I find the Parents/Siblings of Eleanor BATINE who married John JAMES, Farmer of Pencnwc Farm, in the parish of Dinas in 1839? > I am intrigued by her surname? > > I have tried googling the name BATINE and it appears that it is Spanish in origin, would anyone know if that is correct please? > > Many thanks for any help offered, > Kindest Regards, > Carol Lloyd > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am looking for the husband of Mary born about 1832 at Abergavenny, Mammoth (according to the census), I found her in the 1871, 1881 and 1891 census in Neath. No husband listed in 1871 or 1881. In 1891 she is listed as a widow. Children Francis Codd born 1860 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Thomas Codd, born 1866, Neath, Glamorgan Sarah Ann born 1868 Swansea, Glamorgan Edward J. Codd born 1870 Neath, Glamorgan Thank you. Myrna Crapo

Hi Carol, I think these are the parents of the man who emigrated to USA and took part in the battle of Little Bighorn with General Custer? As regards Batine I am sorry I cannot help but I have heard stories that French (maybe just a few) settled along the coast of North Pembrokeshire in the 1700's but of course that could be incorrect. I have ancestors with French sounding name who have been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is Peregrine.I am still trying to sort it out! Best wishes Yvonne Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:44 AM Subject: [Dyfed] BATINE surname query > > Dear List, > I have had such a great deal of help from you in the recent past with my > JAMES/JOHN/LLOYD and connected families from Pembroke, and I am loathe to > ask again, but, I do have a question to ask if I may? > > Where can I find the Parents/Siblings of Eleanor BATINE who married John > JAMES, Farmer of Pencnwc Farm, in the parish of Dinas in 1839? > I am intrigued by her surname? > > I have tried googling the name BATINE and it appears that it is Spanish in > origin, would anyone know if that is correct please? > > Many thanks for any help offered, > Kindest Regards, > Carol Lloyd > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks, I still need help with the subject birth record. As expected, I have found numerous births of a Thomas Evans, Newcastle-Emlyn for an appropriate time period but feel I would upset the trade balance if I ordered them all. I also did not find him in the non-conformist parish registers. As a non-UK citizen I haven't found a way to get into the BT's where I think he should be found. If anyone can tell me of a way to access these records the rest of this request is moot. I know for certain that his father was Benjamin, laborer (Thomas' Marriage Certificate), that he was born in Llandyfriog, and the year 1838 is fairly close based on several census records. Pauline Jones has helped me locate a marriage between Benjamin and Rebeccah Jones in 1829 which is suspiciously accurate (Thomas named a daughter Rebecca), but I don't feel comfortable accepting this until I can place Thomas in that family. My quandary is this: I cannot place him in a family in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses, he married in 1870 and is positively documented after that, except actual date of death where I have the same problem with the death certificate (Monmouthshire) as I have the birth certificate. In 1861 I believe I have him together with Benjamin and two siblings (Benjamin and Rachel) in Monmouthshire, all listed as lodgers. The siblings are indicated to be the children of Benjamin, Thomas is not. I found Rebecca and daughter Mary with Mary's son in Adpar in that census, so I assume that the family was temporarily separated. I found record of a Bidding Letter at NLW requesting wedding gifts in the 1830 collection and learned of a new custom. Should this marriage prove out, is there a way to get a copy of the letter? Any help or suggestions are welcome and appreciated. Howard Evans Billings, MT USA

Dear List, I have had such a great deal of help from you in the recent past with my JAMES/JOHN/LLOYD and connected families from Pembroke, and I am loathe to ask again, but, I do have a question to ask if I may? Where can I find the Parents/Siblings of Eleanor BATINE who married John JAMES, Farmer of Pencnwc Farm, in the parish of Dinas in 1839? I am intrigued by her surname? I have tried googling the name BATINE and it appears that it is Spanish in origin, would anyone know if that is correct please? Many thanks for any help offered, Kindest Regards, Carol Lloyd _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

This might be of interest to someone: http://activity-holidays.visitwales.co.uk/15/yanks-steal-man-fly-welsh/ "In fact, it was a Welshman Bill Frost, who was the first man to patent the aeroplane in 1894, and not Orville and Wilbur Wright who most believe made the first powered flight by a heavier-than-air aircraft." Bill Frost lived in Saundersfoot, Pembrokeshire. Alison

Having problems once again sending News Items.- Fingers crossed. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: J GRIFFITHS <griffiths780@btinternet.com> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 30 January, 2010 12:29:23 Subject: News Items APRIL 1st to JUNE 30 th 1926 Number Two-Hundred fiftyeight. Western Mail Saturday May 29th 1926. Ernest Albert DUMAYNE, 26, Baily-street, Newport, who sustained a broken neck and a dislocated spine as the result of a motor accident eight months ago, and who is now recovered and restarts work next Thursday. (Photograph on page 3 along with the News Item). The Cardiff City Coroner (Dr.R.J. SMITH) condemned pillion riding as a very dangerous pastime, when returning a verdict of "Accidental death" on Friday in the case of Phillip Edward RAFFERTY 28, a railway fireman, of Havelock-street, Cardiff, who died after an accident in Lansdowne-road, on the night of May 8. The coroner added:"Had RAFFERTY been riding solo, I think he might have been able to recover himself. When a person with a pillion rider gets into difficulties and tries to recover himself, he is often in a hopeless position." Wilfred JONES, a bricklayer, said he saw a motor-cycle, with a girl on the pillion, driving at a very fast rate along Lansdowne-road. The machine ran into rough part of the roadway, and the rider apparently lost control. He seemed to recover himself and went out to the middle of the road where, however, the back wheel skidded in a pool. The rider fell forward with the machine across his legs, whilst the girl was thrown over him and lay a few yards ahead. Both were unconscious. The girl who was riding on the pillion, Lilian Mary HILL, of Court-road, Grangetown, a domestic servant, gave evidence, and the coroner said to her: "You yourself might have been killed. I hope this will be a lesson for you." Dr. H.M. THOMAS, of the Infirmary staff, said that RAFFERTY remained in an unconscious state until May 13, when death took place. The primary cause of death was laceration of the brain. GAZETTE NOTICES.-Receiving Orders in Bankruptcy. Ellwood Charles PARKER, of Green-lane Farm, Sealand, near Chester, farmer. (court Chester). David George DAVIES, 45, Fabian-street, St.. Thomas, Swansea, grocer, (court Swansea). Notices of Dividends.  Edward SHIELEY, residing at 99, Pomeroy-street, and Daniel Francis MILES, 101, Poweroy-street, carrying on business in co-partnership as SHIELEY and MILES, at 24, George-street, Docks, Cardiff, shipping and family butchers. (court Cardiff)-Amount per £. 1s. 9 1/2d., first and final. Daniel Francis MILES, seperate estate. (court Cardiff). Amount per £. 5d., first and final. Francis James M. COAKLEY, trading as COAKLEY and Sons, 12, Quay-street, Ammanford, fish and fruit salesman. (court Carmarthen). Amount per £,  5s., supplemental. At the Dovey Hotel, Aberdovey, Mr. Emlyn ABRAHAM (A.A.I.), Aberystwyth, offered for sale the free-hold residence. "Melrose" which was withdrawn at £700. Mr. R.W. BELL. Longtown, was the solicitor. John Patrick

Western Mail Saturday May 29th 1926. Ernest Albert DUMAYNE, 26, Baily-street, Newport, who sustained a broken neck and a dislocated spine as the result of a motor accident eight months ago, and who is now recovered and restarts work next Thursday. (Photograph on page 3 along with the News Item).. The Cardiff City Coroner (Dr.R.J. SMITH) condemned pillion riding as a very dangerous pastime, when returning a verdict of "Accidental death" on Friday in the case of Phillip Edward RAFFERTY 28, a railway fireman, of Havelock-street, Cardiff, who died after an accident in Lansdowne-road, on the night of May 8. The coroner added:"Had RAFFERTY been riding solo, I think he might have been able to recover himself. When a person with a pillion rider gets into difficulties and tries to recover himself, he is often in a hopeless position." Wilfred JONES, a bricklayer, said he saw a motor-cycle, with a girl on the pillion, driving at a very fast rate along Lansdowne-road. The machine ran into rough part of the roadway, and the rider apparently lost control. He seemed to recover himself and went out to the middle of the road where, however, the back wheel skidded in a pool. The rider fell forward with the machine across his legs, whilst the girl was thrown over him and lay a few yards ahead. Both were unconscious. The girl who was riding on the pillion, Lilian Mary HILL, of Court-road, Grangetown, a domestic servant, gave evidence, and the coroner said to her: "You yourself might have been killed. I hope this will be a lesson for you." Dr. H.M. THOMAS, of the Infirmary staff, said that RAFFERTY remained in an unconscious state until May 13, when death took place. The primary cause of death was laceration of the brain. GAZETTE NOTICES.-Receiving Orders in Bankruptcy. Ellwood Charles PARKER, of Green-lane Farm, Sealand, near Chester, farmer. (court Chester). David George DAVIES, 45, Fabian-street, St. Thomas, Swansea, grocer, (court Swansea). Notices of Dividends.  Edward SHIELEY, residing at 99, Pomeroy-street, and Daniel Francis MILES, 101, Poweroy-street, carrying on business in co-partnership as SHIELEY and MILES, at 24, George-street, Docks, Cardiff, shipping and family butchers. (court Cardiff)-Amount per £. 1s. 9 1/2d., first and final. Daniel Francis MILES, seperate estate. (court Cardiff). Amount per £. 5d., first and final. Francis James M. COAKLEY, trading as COAKLEY and Sons, 12, Quay-street, Ammanford, fish and fruit salesman. (court Carmarthen). Amount per £,  5s., supplemental. At the Dovey Hotel, Aberdovey, Mr. Emlyn ABRAHAM (A.A.I.), Aberystwyth, offered for sale the free-hold residence. "Melrose" which was withdrawn at £700. Mr. R.W. BELL. Longtown, was the solicitor. John Patrick

Retrospectives: Old Roundhouse, Abercrâf, BRE; Llanwinio Parish, CMN Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. An exploration of an old stone Roundhouse near Abercrâf in the Upper Swansea Valley, county of Breconshire (ten pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in October 2002. 2. The parish of Llanwinio in the county of Carmarthenshire (seventeen pictures). This two-page feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in May 2002. As usual, these webpages will be displayed on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Been having problems sending messages, hopefully ok this time ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: J GRIFFITHS <griffiths780@btinternet.com> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 29 January, 2010 17:56:07 Subject: News Items APRIL 1st to JUNE 30th 1926 Number Two-Hundred fiftyseven. Western Mail Saturday May 29th 1926. Councillor Walter SPURRELL, J.P., preseided over a meeting held at Carmarthen, under the auspices of the Independent Order of Rechabites, when the Rev. James BARR, a Scottish M.P., gave an address on temperance. Rev. E.U. THOMAS (Tabernacle) proposed a vote of thanks and said it would be a good thing if all the members of the town council and of the magisterial bench were life-long members. Mr. G.F. FORSDIKE, J.P., Cardiff, has left for Aix-les-Bains, where he will remain for about a month for treatment for a troublesome leg. The marriage will take place at Savoy Chapel Royal, London, on Wednesday next of Mr. E. Stanley EVANS,elder son of Mr. John EVANS, J.P., and Mrs. EVANS, of Beechwood, Merthyr, to Miss Dora DOWDESWELL, only daughter of Mr. Ralph DOWDESWELL and the late Mrs. DOWDESWELL, of Belvedere, Whitchurch. At Keynsham Police-court on Friday Rhys THOMAS 18, Cilfynydd, Pontypridd and Arthur SMITH, 17, Graig, Pontypridd, miners were each sentenced to three months' hard labour for stealing a Morris-Oxford car, valued at £200, accessories, a fishing rod, and Kodak camera, belonging to Dr. Charles HARRISON, of Keynsham. Edward NEAGLE, Hugh ROBINSON, Michael BARON, and Edward O'NEILL were charged at Barry on Friday with breaking and entering a lock-up grain warehouse, owned by Mr. George ANDREWS, of Maesycwym-street, Barry, and stealing grain, valued at £2.5s. Police-constables WALLER and MARSH caught the men as they were escaping from the premises carrying bags of maize. NEAGLE and ROBINSON were each fined £1. and BARON and O'NEILL placed on probation for six months. Principal J.H. DAVIES, Aberystwyth, has received a letter from Queen Mary's private secretary, stating how sorry both the King and the Queen were to hear of the death of their old and trusted friend Sir John WILLIAMS. Mr. Jenkin REES has died at his residence, 78, Ryder-street, Cardiff, at the age of 60. Son of the late Mr. and Mrs. William REES, of Merthyr, he was an accountant at the Cardiff office of the Mountjoy (Bute) Estate, in whose service he had been for 32 years. He leaves a widow and one daughter. The funeral will take place on Monday. The funeral took place at Mountain Ash of Mrs. C.J. MASTERS, Glenbrook, Miskin, who met her death last week-end at Torquay. The Rev. J. Llewellyn DAVIES, B.A., vicar of St.. John's, Miskin; the Rev. D.E. ROBERTS, M.A., vicar of Trevithin, and the Rev. D.J. WILLS, M.A., vicar of Hirwain, officiated. The chief mourners were Mr. and Mrs.T.J. LEWIS (son-in-law and daughter), the Misses Alice and Gladys MASTERS (daughters), Mr. and Mrs. E. THOMAS (brother-in-law and sister), Mr. and Mrs. D.L. DAVIES, Mr. and Mrs. J.E. DAVIES, and Mr. and Mrs. Ifor DAVIES (brothers and sisters-in-law). Miss Hilda E. GOUGH, daughter of Mr. J.H. GOUGH, Colchester-avenue, Penylan, Cardiff, was successful in the April examinations of the Royal Academy of Music, securing the L.R.A.M. Miss GOUGH was prepared by Cuthbert WHITEMORE, F.R.A.M., Montague-place, London, W.1 James GIBBS 19, collier, Brithidir, was at Bargoed on Friday charged with having driven a motor-car negligently on May 8 at Tiryberth. He pleaded "not guilty" and was defended by Mr. Tom PHILLIPS. Alfred SWITHIN said he and three other men were talking on the road when something knocked him down from behind and he remembered nothing more for three or four hours. He was injured in the head, shoulder and face. Defendant said he was blinded by the lights of an oncoming car, and he did not see the men until he was a yard away, and they scattered, making it impossible for him to avoid the four. A fine of £5 was imposed, the money being paid to SWITHIN as compensation. Sir David William EVANS, of 199, Newport-road, Cardiff, and formerly of St. Mary's chambers, Cardiff, solicitor, died on March 17, leaving property of the value of £4,160, with net personalty nil. The will, dated September 3, 1896, is proved by Dame Clara Gertrude EVANS, the widow, to whom everything is left absolutely. John Patrick.

Western Mail Saturday May 29th 1926. Councillor Walter SPURRELL, J.P., preseided over a meeting held at Carmarthen, under the auspices of the Independent Order of Rechabites, when the Rev. James BARR, a Scottish M.P., gave an address on temperance. Rev. E.U. THOMAS (Tabernacle) proposed a vote of thanks and said it would be a good thing if all the members of the town council and of the magisterial bench were life-long members. Mr. G.F.. FORSDIKE, J.P., Cardiff, has left for Aix-les-Bains, where he will remain for about a month for treatment for a troublesome leg. The marriage will take place at Savoy Chapel Royal, London, on Wednesday next of Mr. E. Stanley EVANS,elder son of Mr. John EVANS, J.P., and Mrs. EVANS, of Beechwood, Merthyr, to Miss Dora DOWDESWELL, only daughter of Mr. Ralph DOWDESWELL and the late Mrs. DOWDESWELL, of Belvedere, Whitchurch. At Keynsham Police-court on Friday Rhys THOMAS 18, Cilfynydd, Pontypridd and Arthur SMITH, 17, Graig, Pontypridd, miners were each sentenced to three months' hard labour for stealing a Morris-Oxford car, valued at £200, accessories, a fishing rod, and Kodak camera, belonging to Dr. Charles HARRISON, of Keynsham.. Edward NEAGLE, Hugh ROBINSON, Michael BARON, and Edward O'NEILL were charged at Barry on Friday with breaking and entering a lock-up grain warehouse, owned by Mr. George ANDREWS, of Maesycwym-street, Barry, and stealing grain, valued at £2.5s. Police-constables WALLER and MARSH caught the men as they were escaping from the premises carrying bags of maize. NEAGLE and ROBINSON were each fined £1. and BARON and O'NEILL placed on probation for six months. Principal J.H. DAVIES, Aberystwyth, has received a letter from Queen Mary's private secretary, stating how sorry both the King and the Queen were to hear of the death of their old and trusted friend Sir John WILLIAMS. Mr. Jenkin REES has died at his residence, 78, Ryder-street, Cardiff, at the age of 60. Son of the late Mr. and Mrs. William REES, of Merthyr, he was an accountant at the Cardiff office of the Mountjoy (Bute) Estate, in whose service he had been for 32 years. He leaves a widow and one daughter. The funeral will take place on Monday. The funeral took place at Mountain Ash of Mrs. C.J. MASTERS, Glenbrook, Miskin, who met her death last week-end at Torquay. The Rev. J. Llewellyn DAVIES, B.A., vicar of St. John's, Miskin; the Rev. D.E. ROBERTS, M.A., vicar of Trevithin, and the Rev. D.J. WILLS, M.A., vicar of Hirwain, officiated. The chief mourners were Mr. and Mrs.T.J. LEWIS (son-in-law and daughter), the Misses Alice and Gladys MASTERS (daughters), Mr. and Mrs. E. THOMAS (brother-in-law and sister), Mr. and Mrs. D.L. DAVIES, Mr. and Mrs. J.E. DAVIES, and Mr. and Mrs. Ifor DAVIES (brothers and sisters-in-law). Miss Hilda E. GOUGH, daughter of Mr. J.H. GOUGH, Colchester-avenue, Penylan, Cardiff, was successful in the April examinations of the Royal Academy of Music, securing the L.R.A.M. Miss GOUGH was prepared by Cuthbert WHITEMORE, F.R.A.M., Montague-place, London, W.1 James GIBBS 19, collier, Brithidir, was at Bargoed on Friday charged with having driven a motor-car negligently on May 8 at Tiryberth. He pleaded "not guilty" and was defended by Mr. Tom PHILLIPS. Alfred SWITHIN said he and three other men were talking on the road when something knocked him down from behind and he remembered nothing more for three or four hours. He was injured in the head, shoulder and face. Defendant said he was blinded by the lights of an oncoming car, and he did not see the men until he was a yard away, and they scattered, making it impossible for him to avoid the four. A fine of £5 was imposed, the money being paid to SWITHIN as compensation. Sir David William EVANS, of 199, Newport-road, Cardiff, and formerly of St. Mary's chambers, Cardiff, solicitor, died on March 17, leaving property of the value of £4,160, with net personalty nil. The will, dated September 3, 1896, is proved by Dame Clara Gertrude EVANS, the widow, to whom everything is left absolutely. John Patrick.

Western Mail Saturday May 29th 1926. Wendon HARRIS, an attendant at Angelton Asylum, was riding a pedal bicycle along Dunraven-place, Bridgend, when he came into collision with a motor-car driven by William ROONE, of Westfield-street, Cardiff. He was thrown through the windscreen, and sustained terrible injuries, the most serious being one on the back of his neck. He was immediately conveyed by Mr. ROONE to Bridgend Cottage Hospital, where he lies in a serious condition. Richard JONES, 38, a ship's fireman, who was knocked down by a motor-car on the Penarth-road at Grangetown, Cardiff, died at the Cardiff Royal Infirmary on Friday morning. On completion of twenty-five years' service in Holy Orders, the Rev. E.R. DAVIES, B.A.., Vicar of Cythfarthfa (Merthyr) has been presented by his parishioners with a set of stoles. The presentation was made by the Lord Bishop of Llandaff. William BARTLE, pattern maker, Port Skewett, and Phillip WILLIAMS, farmer Undy, have been elected to fill casual vacancies on Chepstow Rural District Council. BARRY CHILD NEGLECT. Surprising evidence was given at the Barry Police-court on Friday, when Johanna BREWERTON/BREWERTEN.? a middle-aged Barry Dock woman was charged on remmand from Penarth with cruelty to her six children. Defendant, a smartly dressed woman, at times became highly excited and frequently interupted with long protests. Mr. J.B. Price HUGHES (Messrs. J.A. HUGHES and Co., solicitors, Barry) prosecuted. Mr. HUGHES said the children were found in the house alone, there was not a grain of food in the cupboard, and the children were said to have existed on the charity of neighbours. "The mother is away from morning till late at night," continued Mr. HUGHES. Regarding clothing at the time of police visits, each child was sparsely clad, the boys having no shirt. Two of them had no footwear, rags and sacking being tied around their feet. Each bed was in a horrible state, and vermin overran the walls and floor. Defendant had no ground to plead lack of means, for her husband, a boatswain regularly sent her £2.10s. each week, whilst her eldest son, who was also working, paid her 10s. weekly. Inspector L. KEMPSTER, of the R.S.P.C.C., then gave evidence. Replying to the clerk (Mr.J.W. MORRIS) witness admitted that each child was fairly nourished. They had been fed by neighbours and had been seen picking scraps of refuse from boxes in a lane at the rear of the house. Mrs. Mary FRANCIS, a tenant of other rooms in the house, stated that defendant had been at home at night only once during the last three months. Witness herself had frequently fed and clothed the children. Mrs. Grace AVIENT was called by defendant to give evidence, and said: "When I visited the house last week I found everything quite clean and in order." Inspector Frank EVANS proved two previous convictions at Swansea and one of cruelty to her children at Swansea in 1920, when she received three months' imprisonment. Mr. T.H. MORDEY (presiding) said the magistrates considered the case an extremely bad one, and in spite of repeated warnings defendant had not deviated from her deplorable ways. She would be sent to jail for three months' hard labour. The following are people holding office in the Welsh Areas covered by Western Mail at the time. JOHN J. JACKSON, Director of Education, City-hall, Cardiff. H. WILSON, M.I.E.E., Suptg.., Engr., G.P.O. Church-road, Rumney (Three Poles). H. LEONARD PORCHER, Clerk of the Council, Muncipal-buildings, Pontypridd. MOSES THOMAS, Town-clerk, Muncipal Buildings, Port Talbot. C. DAVIES JONES, Clerk to the Council, (Bedwas and Machen), Council offices, Bedwas, Mon. JAMES JONES, Clerk to the Council (Llandyssul Rural District). other names metioned. C. LESLIE THOMAS, Solicitor, Neath. Secretary to the Committee of Management. (Glamorgan Farm School, Tysegur, Neath). TREVOR HOWELLS, Director, Glynneath Automobile Co. Ltd. John Patrick

The following was started on Thursday had problems could not finish, so I will finish it now. John Patrick ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: J GRIFFITHS <griffiths780@btinternet.com> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com; monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Cc: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 28 January, 2010 18:45:26 Subject: News Items APRIL 1st to JUNE 30th 1926. Number Two-Hundred fiftyfive. Western Mail Saturday May 29th 1926. FAMILY ANNOUNCEMENTS. IN MEMORIAM - ROLL OF HONOUR. EDWARDS.- In Sweetest Memory of Walter, much loved son of Margaret EDWARDS, Treorky House, 16th, R.W.F. Killed in action France 30th May, 1916. BIRTHS. EVANS.- On May 22nd at Cartref, Westdale, Mapperly, Nottingham, to Mr. and Mrs. I.J. EVANS, (nee KING), a daughter. Both doing well. GEORGE- On May 25th, at 8, Newton Villas, Porthcawl, to Mr. and Mrs. I.I. GEORGE, (nee Connie ELIAS), a daughter. LEWIS.- On May 2th, at The Vicarage, Aberdare, to Winifred, wife of the Rev. James A. LEWIS, a daughter. MESSER.- On 27th, inst., at Hazelwood, Radyr, to Mr. and Mrs. W.J. MESSR, a daughter. MARRIAGES. MacLEOD - EVANS.- On 27th inst., at All Saints' Church, Barry, Donald William, elder surviving son of Major and Mrs. MacLEOD, Gladstone-road, Barry, to Doris Irene, youngest daughter of the late David and Mrs. EVANS, Barry. DEATHS. BEDDOE.- At 15, Station-terrace, Nelson, John. Funeral Monday, May 31st, Four o'clock, for Llanfabon; G.O. BEESTON.- On May 28th, at St. Mark's-crescent, George BEESTON, aged 89. Private funeral arriving Newport Cemetery. 11.40 Monday, May 31. EVANS.- On the 27th inst., at 21, Zinc-street, Cardiff, Kenneth REES, beloved son of Thomas and Sophia EVANS. Funeral Monday at 3.15 p.m. for Rumney Churchyard. REES.-On May 27th, Jenkin REES, Ivydene, 78, Ryder-street, Cardiff, aged 60 years, dearly-loved husband of Annie REES. Private funeral. THOMAS.- On May 28th, at 24, Gwydr-crescent, Swansea, Catherine THOMAS. Funeral Monday, 2.30 for Oystermouth; G.O. WILLIAMS- On May 28th, at Arymor, New Quay, Cards., Mary Ann, widow of Captain John WILLIAMS. Funeral Wednesday. ACKNOWLEDGMENTS. EVANS.- The Family of the late Mr. John EVANS, The Cottage, St. Martin's-road, Caerphilly, wish to thank all kind friends for expressions of sympathy, and beautiful floral tributes.. HOOPER.- Mrs. HOOPER and Family, Pontypridd, wish to thank all kind friends for sympathy and flowers sent. HOWELLS.- Mrs.Rowland J. HOWELLS and Family desire to express their sincere gratitude to all friends for their floral tributes and sympathy. THOMAS.- Mr. and Mrs. Herbert T. THOMAS and Family, Cemetery-road, Treorchy, desire to thank the many relatives and friends for their kind sympathy and floral tributes. IN MEMORIAM.. DAVIES.- In Loving Memory of our dear father and mother, Inspector and Mrs. DAVIES, who died May 29th, 1922, and December 22nd, 1912. DUFFIELD.- In Ever-loving Memory of our dear sister, Bessie, who passed away 29th May, 1916. EVANS.- In Tender and Cherished Memory of my loving brother Jack, County Stores, Abertridwr, who died on May 29th, 1920.- Sadly missed by his sister Nan and Nephews. EVANS.- In Loving Memory of David, third beloved son of Richard and Ellen Jane EVANS, who died at Llancadle on May 29th, 1920.- Deeply mourned by Father, Mother, Sister, and Brothers. JOHN.- In Fond and Loving Memory of our darling Percy, only and dearly-loved son of Mr. and Mrs. JOHN, Murtonville, who passed hence May 30th, 1922./verse- Mama and Dada. LEIGH.- In Affectionate Memory of Jessie Louisa LEIGH, who died at Llansannor House, near Cowbridge, May 28th, 1925. MORGAN.- In Loving Memory of our dear father, John MORGAN, Cardiff Pilot, who passed away May 29th, 1924; also dear Mother, who passed away March 25th, 1920.- Ern. Lena, and Children. MORGAN.- In Ever-loving Memory of our dear father. Councillor David MORGAN, Glandyffi, Tredegar, who passed away May 29th, 1922.- Ever remembered by his daughters, Kate and Mary. MORGAN- In Loving Memory of my husband, John MORGAN, Channel Pilot (retired), died at Cardiff May 29th,1924. ROWLANDS.- In Loving Memory of Eli, beloved husband of Margaret ROWLANDS, Victoria Park, Cardiff, died May 29th, 1920.- Fondly remembered by his loving Wife. John Patrick

Dear Dai Many thanks for including this item - the first of several. Richard White who was celebrating his Golden Wedding at Manorbier was my great grandfather's brother. I have fully researched him and his family but could not find any confirmation, either from descendants or from documents, of the year that he moved from Pembrokeshire to Guildford. Birth certificates of children gave me a three year band but this article gives the exact year as 1889 so I am most grateful as, since they had left Wales, I would not have thought of looking in the Wester Mail. Regards Joy

Western Mail Friday May 28th 1926. In fining Charles Robert CARTER 35, £5, or one month's imprisonment, at Cardiff on Thursday the Presiding Magistrate (Lieut-col, A.P. CAREY-THOMAS, T.D.) observed that the man had "behaved most brutally" towards a police-constable. Pontypridd Y.M.C.A. on Thursdsay organised a walking match for unemployed married miners. The route, from the Y.M.C.A. along tramlines to Broadway, Treforest, by Glyntaff Church to the Cottage Hospital, along Hospital-road to Common-road, proceeding to Merthyr-road, then to Norton Bridge and back to the Y.M.C.A., was lined with people. 1st. James MERRITT.- 2nd.- George SANDFORD.- 3rd.- Joseph DAWKINS, 4th- T. ASHCROFT, 5th, R. GARDNER. Richard BROWN, a pitman, of Plantation-square, Troedyrhiw, hearing that a chicken was unable to escape from a disused local pit, volunteered to go to its aid and lowered himself by means of a rope. The chicken, which had been confined for six days and had been kept alive meantime by odd scraps of food thrown to it by children and others, was found perched on a projecting stone 160 ft. below. Alongside were three eggs which it had laid during its imprisonment. Exhausted by the exertion entailed by his rescue effort and the fowl air encountered down the shaft during the two hours odd he was down there, BROWN experienced much difficulty in making an ascent, but eventually was hauled safely back to the surface, together with the hen  and its precious eggs. Mr. David REES (coroner), assisted by a jury, conducted an inquiry at Penrhiwfer on Thursday into the death of Mrs. Mary BULLOCK 56, of 8, Church-terrace, who was knocked down by a motor-car at Penrhiwfer on May 22, and died at the Porth Hospital last Monday. Ezra DAVIES and Frank SAINT, said the woman seemed to hesitate in front of the car, which was going at a very slow speed. SAINT added that he did not think she saw the car at all. Charles BULLOCK, husband, said his wife was very deaf, and the  driver of the car, John HENDERSON, Talycelyn-road, Penygraig, said the woman walked with a sideways motion in front of the car just as he was on her. The jury returned a verdict "Accidental death" and exonerated the driver from all blame. David Thomas LEWIS, a young man, was fined £5 and costs or a month's imprisonment at Cardiff on Thursday for driving a motor-car reclessly in Corbett-road on April 8th. MR. Fred CROCKFORD, engineer, of King Edwards-road, Swansea, said as he was driving a motor-van over Corbertt-road crossing defendant came on his wrong side of the road from Colum-road at 25 to 30 miles an hour and ran into the van he (witness) was driving, swinging it around and damaging it. Defendant said he was driving at about ten miles an hour and sounded the horn when approaching the corner. Instead of his running into the van the van ran into him. William CRIDDELL, a young man, of 35, Kathleen-street, Barry, one of the mourners walking in a funeral procession in Broad-street, Barry, on Thursday, was knocked down by a motor-car. The vehicle apparently skidded on the wet surface of the road and the procession was temporarily stopped. The injured man was taken to the Barry Town Accident Hospital suffering from abrasioins and bruises to the hands and legs. John Patrick

Western Mail Friday May 23rd 1926. Welcome to List members of DYFED. Must apoligise again for no number to the last News Item- It is 252. After 46 years' service on the Great Western Railway at Cardiff Mr. Chris. JONES, outside represenative of the passenger department, is this week retiring under the superannuation scheme. Mr. JONES, who is a native of Llanelly, the son of the late Mr. Henry JONES (at one time examining officer in the Customs at Cardiff), joined the G.W.R. clerical staff in 1880. The office of outside representative, which he has occupied during the past twelve years, has brought him into daily contact with tradespeople and others, his unfailing good nature and tact enabling him to discharge the duties with every satisfaction. Members of the Cardiff Choral Society will remember Mr. JONES as a chorister when Mr. D.C. DAVIES was conductor and Mr. T.H. MALLETT secretary, and for five years he was organist at the old Roath-road, Congregational Church. As a member of the Roath Park Bowling Club Mr. JONES has played regularly in the club's matches for several years. He married, in 1892, Miss HARRIES, of City-road, and they have three children, on of whom (Mr. L. Griffith JONES, now of Manchester) was in the Cardiff Pals during the war. Recent police changes in the Afan Valley, Port Talbot, include the appointment of an inspector for the Afan Valley for the first time. The first officer is Inspector Alfred WILLIAMS, who came to the district from Maesteg and Bridgend. He is stationed at Blaengwynfi, and was welcomed at Port Talbot court by the mayor (Alderman Hopkin JONES). Mr. George Fenton LAMBERT, of Elmbank, Park-street, Bridgend, retired architect and surveyor, a former member of the Bridgend Council, who died on February 13, aged 83 years, left estate of the gross value of £986, with net personalty £939. Probate of the will has been granted to his widow, Mrs. Elizabeth LAMBERT. Miss Julia Mary CLARK, of Vine Cottage, Usk, who died on February 27, aged 83 years, daughter of the late Mr. James Henry CLARK, the originator and proprietor of the old "County Observer," left estate of the gross value of £878, with net personalty £852. Probate of the will has been granted to her sister, Miss Eliza Blanche CLARK, of the same place. Edward EDWARDS, a motor-cyclist, of Dumfries-place, Newprt, and Charles ABBOTT, his pillion passenger, had a narrow escape on Cardiff-road on Thursday. They were passing a motor-lorry at a point where road-widening operations are in progress when the motor-cycle slipped and both men were thrown. A wheel of the lorry passed over and wrecked the motor-cycle. ABBOTT sustained a cut on the head and received attention at the Royal Gwent Hospital. Walter RICHARDSON, aged twelve months, whose parents reside at 66, Shaftesbury-street, Newport, died at the Royal Gwent Hospital on Thursday from scalds and shock, caused by the upsetting of a tea-pot. News was received in Cardiff on Thursday evening of the death by drowning of Mr. Arthur J. HOWELL 27, only son of  Mr.and Mrs. Robert HOWELL, of 29, Colchester-avenue, Penylan, Cardiff. Mr. HOWELL left Cardiff on Saturday last for a fortnight's holiday, and proceeded to Salisbury. From there he went to Brockenhurst, and then to Bournemouth. On Thursday afternoon he took a canoe for a trip on the River Stour at Christchurch. The canoe overturned, and mr. HOWELL, who could not swim, was thrown into the water and drowned. The body was recovered almost immediately. Mr. HOWELL was chief clerk in the offices of the United British Insurance Company, Cardiff, and was a prominent figure in the work of St. Edward's Church and the local Boys' Brigade and Scout movement. His father, Mr. Robert HOWELL, left Cardiff on Thursday to attend the inquest at Bournemouth. WELSH WEDDINGS. The marriage was solemnised at the Church of Our Lady of Lourdes, Mountain Ash, on Thursday of Councillor Joseph KEATING, son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Cornelius KEATING, Cardiff-road, Mountain Ash, to Miss C.A. HERBERT, younger daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. W. Lloyd HERBERT, Sunny Bank, Mountain Ash. The Rev. Father L. MOONEY officiated. The bride was given away by her brother, Mr. Herbert HERBERT. The bride was attended by the Rev. and Mrs. D.J. Watts LEWIS, M.A., her brother-in-law and sister, of St. Matthew's Vicarage, Pontypridd, and Miss E.M. JONES. The best man was Mr. Emrys LLOYD, solicitor, Barry Dock. The death has taken place of Mr. Edward REES, Plymouth House, Llantwit Major. It was only on Friday last that his wife was buried at Llantwit Major Church. Mr. REES was well known throughout the Vale of Glamorgan, having come from Llangynwyd about 35 years ago. He was the oldest member of the Llangeinor Hunt, and a member of the Vale of Glamorgan Agricultural Society. He leaves a son, Mr. Morgan REES, and a daughter Mrs. DAVIES, wife of Dr. DAVIES, Ynyshir. The funeral is to take place tomorrow (Saturday) at Llantwit Major Church. Mr. Peter THORNE, a well-known building contractor, has died at his residence, 82, Windsor-road, Penarth, after a short illness. Mr. THORNE, who came to Cardiff from Devonshire nearly 60 years ago, built up an extensive business as building contractor. Mr. THORNE was an octogenarian, and leaves a widow and four sons, and two daughters. The funeral will take place tomorrow (Saturday) at St. Augustine's Church, Penarth. John Patrick

Here you are, Myrna: http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en DI myrna crapo wrote: > I have lost the internet address for the Welsh probate records of St. David. > Can someone please give it to me? > > Thank you in advance for your help. > > > > Myrna Crapo > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >