Why would I object Carol? It's all genealogy. I'm glad to see the activity. I just wish someone could sort out my BEVANs for me! Dai Carol Lloyd wrote: > <snip> > I have printed off the information that you sent to the list, hopefully Dai won't mind this all being onlist but it does make interesting reading doesn't it? So, hopefully he will excuse our correspondence :0) > > A million thank you's > Many Kindest Regards, > Carol > > >

Hello Owen. I shall send you more individual families' names etc. as soon as I sort the papers out. Anne Peregrine b1854 Aberdare was m y g.grandmother who was raised in Llandysilio/Vicars Mill area (near Llanycefn) She was raised by her grandparents John and Anne Peregrine of Llangwm Lodge Llanycefn It is difficult to find John and Anne's parents because they were using patrynomic names as well as the name Peregrine. John and Anne were 40+ in 1841. Anne was born Llanycefn. she may have been an Anne Thomas. In much earlier years at Llandysilio Church there were mostly Perkins christenings and I believe there is a possibility the names were interchangeable but I cannot prove it. Many Perkins were in Llandysilio Cilymaenllwyd areas in 19th century. John Peregrine was born at Llandysilio. I believe they changed religion to nonconformity around 1840 i.e. Rhydwilym or Llandeilo Maenclochog. They were masons as well as their descendants(many masons amongst them) Earliest Peregrine Llandysilio christened around 1720. Off line I can send you Peregrine details compiled by a man of South of England and shall ask his permission this week. Helen (A Lister) has today informed me on line of her Peregrine ancestors at LLangyndeirne Carms.(also Masons) . Also Llandysilio Peregrines were somehow related to Eglwyswrw Peregrines. I also know there was a Peregrine who was harbour master at Milford but he seemed to be in a quite different class to the humble Peregrines of Llanycefn! Many thanks Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: <surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Yvonne Evans ~ Pergines of Pembroke > I have ancestors with French sounding name who have >> been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is >> Peregrine.I >> am still trying to sort it out! >> Best wishes >> Yvonne Evans > > Yvonne > I am aware of the Pergrine surname in Pembrokeshire from at least the 18th > through 20th century. Email me direct with details and I will try to help. > Rgds > Owen V. > ORIEL a welsh window on a surname > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I have sent a copy of my handwritten note to Sylvia Birch about John Devereux of Llanstadwell who is mentioned in the Batine enquiry as married to Margaret. Vera Lowe

Have been interested in your posts regarding the name PEREGRINE so thought I would repost my interests just in case anyone is connected. : HENRY PEREGRINE bap 2 Jan 1791 Kidwelly (son of JOHN PEREGRINE) HANNAH OWEN bap 13 June 1790 Llangyndeyrn (dau of GRIFFITH OWEN) married 28 Dec 1810 according to St Ishmaels Parish Registers. witnesses: WRH POWELL, DAVID PEREGRINE, JENKIN DAVID children: ELIZABEH bap 1827, JOHN bap 1832, ANNE bap 1834, GWENLLINE WINIFRED bap 1837. Bethany Ind Chapel, Dowlais Family living in Bryn Zion St Dowlais in 1851 census:. HENRY PEREGRINE hd 61 Collier b CMN Kidwelly HANNAH PEREGRINE wife 61 b CMN Llangendeirne ELIZABETH PEREGRINE dau 24 charwoman b MT ANNE PEREGRINE da 17 seamstress b MT GWENLLIAN PEREGRINE dau 14 b MT ELIZABETH MORGAN vr.m 53 Masons wife CMN Llangendeirne HENRY died in Bryn Zion St Dowlais 1853 , Collier. age 63 ANNE married HUGH HUGHES in 1854 in Dowlais. witnesses: SAMUEL GEORGE and ELIZABETH JONES (Possible sister of Anne) HANNAH died in 1855 in Dowlais, widow of HENRY, Collier. age 66 GWENLLINE immigrated to Australia. Have been trying to confirm whether ELIZABETH & JOHN JONES with family at 18 Pen Incline MT in 1881 census could be a match for me but have not found a marriage between an ELIZABETH PEREGRINE & JOHN JONES as yet. Any suggestions/help very welcome. Helen GrGrgrandaughter of Gwenlline > ==== DYFED Mailing List ==== > Genuki PEM http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ >

I have sent a copy of my handwritten note to Bettye Kirkwood about John Devereux of Llanstadwell who is mentioned in the Batine enquiry as married to Margaret. Vera Lowe

Hi All, Sorry, had to collect Grandson from Nursery but left pc running. So am available :0) Regards, Carol > From: myra@heatherkop.fsworld.co.uk > To: lki59595@bigpond.net.au; cenquest@tiscali.co.uk; manxie55@hotmail.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE surname query > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:52:59 +0000 > > Dear Carol and Bettye, > > Please don't go off line. When I get a chance to study my notes I'm sure I > will be able to contribute some more. Meanwhile can I ask Carol if she has > John James's antecedents. I'm stumped on the James's but John's mother was a > Clement from St Nicholas so he was related to many Pen Caer families. > > Myra Heywood > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Dear Carol and Bettye, Please don't go off line. When I get a chance to study my notes I'm sure I will be able to contribute some more. Meanwhile can I ask Carol if she has John James's antecedents. I'm stumped on the James's but John's mother was a Clement from St Nicholas so he was related to many Pen Caer families. Myra Heywood

Hi List and Bettye, WOW and more WOWS! What an incredible amount of information Bettye you have sent me. Now, I am truly in awe.... Regarding the BATINE who served with General Custer at the Battle of Little Big Horn that you sent me, it was William Batine JAMES b. 03 Mar 1849 Pencnwc Farm, in the Parish of Dinas , Pembrokeshire, s/o Eleanor BATINE and John JAMES of Dinas. He enlisted 5th February 1872. His Civilian Occupation was as a coachman. Promoted to Corporal on 27th January 1875 and to Sergeant on 3rd March 1876 - KIA (Killed in Action). He was the 6th of 9 children and the oldest boy.His parents were John James,a farmer,and Eleanor Batine, married on 2nd March 1839 at Haverfordwest.The JAMES family had lived in Pembrokeshire for centuries and claimed direct descent from the ancient Earls of Ormonde. I have printed off the information that you sent to the list, hopefully Dai won't mind this all being onlist but it does make interesting reading doesn't it? So, hopefully he will excuse our correspondence :0) A million thank you's Many Kindest Regards, Carol _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Dear Ken and Listers, I am from Peregrines of Llanycefn Llandysilio Pembrokeshire. However the intriguing facts about these is that they were all masons whether they were from Llandysilio, Llangyndeirne or South Cardiganshire. This has really got me beaten because I cannot trace a family connection between them all, except for Peregrines of Dinas Pembs, Eglwyswrw Pembs, and Llandysilio Pembs. A man from south England haas done a very meticulous tree of different Peregrines of Dyfed and I shall ask him if he would be prepared to share this. My Peregrines date back to around 1700 in Llandysilio.However they would use patrynomic names also like John for surname instead of Peregrine very confusing!! Perkins seems also to have been used. Best wishes Yvonne Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Harris" <khar9172@bigpond.net.au> To: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>; "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk>; "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:25 AM Subject: surnames: PEREGRINE/OWEN > Have been interested in your posts regarding the name PEREGRINE so thought > I would repost my interests just in case anyone is connected. > > : > HENRY PEREGRINE bap 2 Jan 1791 Kidwelly (son of JOHN PEREGRINE) > HANNAH OWEN bap 13 June 1790 Llangyndeyrn (dau of GRIFFITH OWEN) > married 28 Dec 1810 according to St Ishmaels Parish Registers. witnesses: > WRH POWELL, DAVID PEREGRINE, JENKIN DAVID > children: ELIZABEH bap 1827, JOHN bap 1832, ANNE bap 1834, GWENLLINE > WINIFRED bap 1837. Bethany Ind Chapel, Dowlais > Family living in Bryn Zion St Dowlais in 1851 census:. > HENRY PEREGRINE hd 61 Collier b CMN Kidwelly > HANNAH PEREGRINE wife 61 b CMN Llangendeirne > ELIZABETH PEREGRINE dau 24 charwoman b MT > ANNE PEREGRINE da 17 seamstress b MT > GWENLLIAN PEREGRINE dau 14 b MT > ELIZABETH MORGAN vr.m 53 Masons wife CMN Llangendeirne > > HENRY died in Bryn Zion St Dowlais 1853 , Collier. age 63 > ANNE married HUGH HUGHES in 1854 in Dowlais. witnesses: SAMUEL GEORGE > and ELIZABETH JONES (Possible sister of Anne) > HANNAH died in 1855 in Dowlais, widow of HENRY, Collier. age 66 > GWENLLINE immigrated to Australia. > Have been trying to confirm whether ELIZABETH & JOHN JONES with family at > 18 Pen Incline MT in 1881 census could be a match for me but have not > found > a marriage between an ELIZABETH PEREGRINE & JOHN JONES as yet. Any > suggestions/help very welcome. > > Helen GrGrgrandaughter of Gwenlline > > > >> ==== DYFED Mailing List ==== >> Genuki PEM http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ >> >

Dear Yvonne, Here is the first paragraph I have written for my own Peregrine..........I am not saying I am correct.....but this is what my own research has revealed. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. Peregrine Devonald was an original.a "one-off". No other Devonald, before or since, appears to have borne the given name of Peregrine. "Peregrine" is a fairly rare, though recognised surname in Wales and is said to have derived from the latinisation of the name Perkins. The "peregrini" were travellers, pilgrims..Celtic Saints who travelled between Britain and Ireland. Peregrine Devonald's ancestry may have foundations, at present unknown, in a family surnamed Peregrine. Perkin de Hoda appears in Pembrokeshire history, as does David Gwilym Perkin descended from the illustrious ruler of Deheubarth, Rhys ap Tewdwr. Peregrine could descend from undiscovered Devonalds, or his unknown mother may have had some connection to a Perkin. As Peregrine named his son William, it is possible, and considered most likely, that he descended from William Devonald, one of the five sons of James Devonald who died in 1584/5 from his second marriage to Angharad, daughter of Thomas Lloyd of Vagwr Goch, Llantood. ....................From Yvonne....... . I have ancestors with French sounding name who have > been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is > Peregrine.I > am still trying to sort it out! > Best wishes > Yvonne Evans

Western Mail Monday May 31st 1926. FAMILY ANNOUNCEMENTS. BIRTHS. BROWN.- On May 29, at Glen-Lyn, Piercefield-place, Cardiff, to Mr. and Mrs. T. BROWN, a daughter. DAVIES.- On May 28th, to Mr. and Mrs. D.A.. DAVIES, (nee Gwen WILLIAMS), Highfield, Penrhys-road, Ystrad, a daughter. JENKINS.- May 30th, at Glengariff, Griffithstown, to Dr. and Mrs. J. Powell JENKINS, a daughter. JONES.- On May 28th, to Elsie, wife of Dvid Glen JONES, 26, Mafeking-road, Penylan, a son. LLOYD. On May 29th, at the Penarth Nursing Home, to Mr. and Mrs. Edward LLOYD, of 40, Cornerswell-road, Penarth, a son, (Stillborn.). WOOD.- On May 28th, at Stoneboro' Maternity Home, Newport-road, to Mr. and Mrs. Leonard F. WOOD, (nee Lorna CHURCHILL), a son. MARRIAGES. DAVIES - CLARKE.- On May 26th, at St. John's Church, Ilford, Essex, by the Vicar, by the Rev. J.A. TELFORD, Lilian Constance CLARKE, second daughter of the late Mr. E.G. CLARKE, to Norman Alfred DAVIES, only son of the late Mr. Alfred DAVIES and Mrs. DAVIES, Cromwell-street, Pembroke Dock. SNOW - MATTHEWS. On May 29th, at Clifton-street, Presbyterian Church by the Rev. R.J. REES, M.A., Sidney SNOW to Blodwen MATTHEWS, both of Cardiff. SILVER WEDDINGS. WILLIAMS - WILLIAMS.- May 30th, 1901 at Penuel Baptist Church, Pentyrch, by Rev. J. Jenkins, Steadman WILLIAMS. Taff's Well, to Mary A., daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Thomas WILLIAMS, Garthwood. Present address; Garthwood, Pentyrch. DEATHS. ALEXANDER.- On Sunday May 30th, at Victoria-avenue, Porthcawl, John Davey ALEXANDER, L.R.C.P. Edin., L.S.P.S. Glasgow,L.M. Edin., dearly-beloved husband of Angelina Blake, aged 75, after a short illness. Funeral Three p.m. for Newton on Wednesday, 2nd June. BATCHELOR.-  On May 28th, at G.W. Cottages, Pontyclun, Wm. BATCHELOR, aged 64. Funeral Wednesday, Three o'clock, for Talygarn. BEDDOE.- At 15, Station-terrace, Nelson, John.. Funeral Monday, May 31st, Four o'clock, for Llanfabon; G.O. DYER.- On May 27, at 171, High-street, Treorchy, Eleanor DYER, widow of late Dr. DYER. Funeral Tuesday at Treorchy Cemetery, Three p.m; G.O. EWENS.- On the 28th of May, at the residence of his brother, Five Bells, Bridgend, Henry (Harry). Funeral Wednesday, leaving Bridgend 2.30 for Glyntaff Cemetery, 3.30.; G.O. GABE.- On May 30th, at Ty-Gwyn-crescent, Cardiff, Annie, widow of the late W. J. GABE, of Merthyr Tydfil, formerly of Barry. Funeral (private) Cefn Cemetery, Merthyr Tydfil. Wednesday. Two o'clock. HENTON.- On May 28th, at Brynhyfryd, Merthyrmawr-road, Bridgend. Arthur HENTON. Solicitor, beloved husband of Annie Maud HENTON. Funeral Tuesday, 1st June, Three p.m.; G.O. HOWELL.- On the 237th inst., at Bournemouth, Arthur James, beloved son of Robert and Annie HOWELL. Funeral Tuesday, leaving 29, Colchester-avenue, Cardiff, 2.30. for St. Edward's Church; G.O. LANSDOWNE.- Suddenly on May 29th, at 30, Mark-street, William Charles, dearly loved and devoted husband of Rosina LANSDOWNE. Funeral Wednesday, leaving house Two p.m. for St. Dyfrig's Church; Requiem 7.30 a.m.- R.I.P. McKIERNAN.- May 29th, at 9, Australia-road, Bridget Elizabeth, the beloved wife of William McKIERNAN. Requiem Mass, St. Joseph's, 10.30. Tuesday, R.I.P. ROBERTS.- On May 29, at "Caerdderwen," High-street, Nelson, David ROBERTS, M.E., late Head Mechanic Treharris and Celynen Collieries. Funeral Wednesday June 2nd, at Abercarn Cemetery; G.O. Friends from Newbridge and Western Valley will meet cortege by Newbridge Institute 2.30. TEMPLEMAN.- On Trinity Sunday, at 39, Whitcombe-street, Aberdare, Eliza Alice, widow of Charles TEMPLEMAN, Farrier, Aberdare. Funeral Thursday, Three, Aberdare Cemetery; G.O. Service at St. Elvan's Church prior to internment. WILLIAMS..- On May 29th, at Ynys Villa, Llangynidr, John WILLIAMS, Cattle Dealer, late of Crickhowell, aged 77. Funeral Wednesday, 2.30.p.m. ACKNOWLEDGMENTS. EVANS.- The Family of the late Mr. John EVANS, The Cottage, St. Martin's-road, Caerphilly, wish to thank all kind friends for expressions of sympathy in their sad bereavement, also beautiful floral tributes. EVANS.- J.W. EVANS, Trefor and Getta wish to thank their friends for their sympathy and floral tributes.- Rhys-street, Trealaw. HOOPER.- Mrs. HOOPER and Family, Pontypridd, wish to thank all kind friends for sympathy and flowers. HOWELLS.- Mrs. Rowland J. HOWELLS and Family desire to express their sincere gratitude to all friends for their floral tributes and sympathy. SMITH.- Mr. A. SMITH, 1, School-terrace, Llanharan, and relatives desire to thank all friends for their kind messages of sympathy, floral tributes and kindness. IN MEMORIAM. BOYD.- Just a Tribute of Love in Memory of Constance, the dearly-loved daughter of J. and G. BOYD, Tredegar, who died May 31st, 1931. DAVID.- In Loving Memory of T.J. DAVID, Temperance Hotel, Kenfig Hill, who passed peacefully away on May 30th, 1922.- Ever remembered by his loving Wife and Children. DAVID.- In Loving Memory of Hezekiah DAVID (of DAVID Brothers, Pencoed Foundry), died May 31st 1904. They will be done.- From Widow and Children. THOMAS.- In Loving Memory of our dear Aunt Martha, of Canal Stores, Pontypridd, passed away May 31st, 1924. Ever remembered by Dewi and Family. John Patrick

I have ancestors with French sounding name who have > been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is > Peregrine.I > am still trying to sort it out! > Best wishes > Yvonne Evans Yvonne I am aware of the Pergrine surname in Pembrokeshire from at least the 18th through 20th century. Email me direct with details and I will try to help. Rgds Owen V. ORIEL a welsh window on a surname

Dear Carol And following on from Bettye. If you go the NLW wills online and enter William Batine. His will is there dated 1819. You will see that William was in fact Thomas's father and the Francis who was in Llanwnwr with Thomas in 1841 was his brother. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk

Dear Carol Following on from Myra, who tells us that Eleanor's father was Thomas Batine. 1841 Living at Llanwnwr, Llanwnda Thomas Batine age 65, occupation Farmer, born in Pembrokeshire Elizabeth Batine age 60, born Pembs Thomas Batine age 20, born Pembs Anne Batine age 30, Elizabeth Batine age 25. Also in house were Francis Batine (Male) age 55, Independant. Anne Batine age 40. William Willams age 4. All were born in Pembs. Together with 3 servants. Remember in 1841 ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 or 0. Thomas Batine married Elizabeth Williams at Nevern in 1802. 1851 still living at Llanwnwr, Llanwnda, Pembs Thomas Batine age 80, married, Farmer of 330 acres employing 9 labourers, born Stainton (which is Steynton today). Elizabeth wife, age 82, born Nevern. Elizabeth daughter, age 37 born Llanwnda. Ann James, granddaughter, age 8, scholar, born Dinas. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk

Dear Sylvia, Bettye, Myra, Dai and everyone from the Dyfed List, I owe a GREAT BIG THANKYOU to you all. Everything now makes much more sense to me as I can now add the parents, siblings etc, and can now progress with my tree. I am eternally grateful for your knowledge, help and patience. You are the best list ever. Kindest Regards to you all, Carol ( LLOYD ) _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Dear Myra, You are right, I am lucky with the Dyfed List and all of the listers who have been so brilliant to help me:0) Many thanks for the information below, much appreciated. Bettye KIRKWOOD gave me the link to view the Will that you have mentioned below and it is a fascinating read isn't it? I must thank you also for the geography help below re: the farms location. Again that will make it easier to search on a map and help me to get to know the area a little better. Kindest Regards, Carol > From: myra@heatherkop.fsworld.co.uk > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE surname query > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:39:05 +0000 > > You have struck lucky! As part of my local history project I have been > studying the wills on-line from the National Library.From my notes I found > the will of Thomas Batine of Llanwnwr, Llanwnda. His third bequest is to his > grand daughter Ann Clement James the daughter of his daughter Eleanor and > her husband John James of Pencnwck, Dinas. Hopefully you can use the link to > look at the will yourself. > Llanwnwr is a large farm close to Strumble Head on Pen Caer. Batine is a > surname still found in this area (Fishguard/Goodwick) > > Myra Heywood, Goodwick > > > > _________________________________________________________________ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Dear Carol, I can't tell you the origin of the surname, and I thought, obviously incorrectly, I had given you plenty of clues to follow with the article by Major Jones "Lloyds of Hendre and Cwmgloyne" in which it is stated that the nine children of Evan Williams of Trellyffant, Nevern who died in 1803 and his wife Anne daughter of Evan Llewelin of Llandre included No. 7 "Elizabeth Williams, baptised in 1770, married Thomas Batine of Llanwnwr, Llanwnda parish. She died on 25 July 1853 and her husband on 21 February 1855, both aged 84. One of their seven children, namely Bridget Batine, married on 29 July 1828 John Williams (died 1869 aged 68) of Felindre near St. Nicholas........."- Thomas Batine married Elizabeth Williams in 1802 at Nevern. His Will is easily accessible on The National Library of Wales - pre 1858 Wills site...year 1855. Thomas Batine, Gentleman, left a comprehensive Will in which his daughter Elizabeth played a major role, but he also mentioned Bridget Williams of Granston, a granddaughter Ann Clement James, other James grandchildren but not my name, and his daughter Eleanor James. The last item in the Will is a statement by John James, Eleanor's husband that Elizabeth's surname is shown incorrectly in the Will, and that she is at that time Elizabeth SAMBRUCK. Please go on-line and check it out for yourself. Someone may be able to give you more information about these families. or you could perhaps chase them through census entries. Under Llanwnwr, Llanwnda, Major Jones wrote "1789 Thomas Griffith, Esq. gave a lease of Llanwnwr (minerals excepted), and certain rooms reserved to lessor) to William Batine of Barrett's Hill, Steynton, gent for the lives of William's wife Dorothy and their children, Thomas and Mary Batine. Thomas Batine the son remained there till his death in 1855. The family of Mortimer (from Trehowel) came to live there......." I'm sorry....I had William Batine's will abstract in my hand only the other day, but it has disappeared into my boxes, but you can also look at it on the website. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:44 PM Subject: [Dyfed] BATINE surname query > > Dear List, > I have had such a great deal of help from you in the recent past with my > JAMES/JOHN/LLOYD and connected families from Pembroke, and I am loathe to > ask again, but, I do have a question to ask if I may? > > Where can I find the Parents/Siblings of Eleanor BATINE who married John > JAMES, Farmer of Pencnwc Farm, in the parish of Dinas in 1839? > I am intrigued by her surname? > > I have tried googling the name BATINE and it appears that it is Spanish in > origin, would anyone know if that is correct please? > > Many thanks for any help offered, > Kindest Regards, > Carol Lloyd > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

You have struck lucky! As part of my local history project I have been studying the wills on-line from the National Library.From my notes I found the will of Thomas Batine of Llanwnwr, Llanwnda. His third bequest is to his grand daughter Ann Clement James the daughter of his daughter Eleanor and her husband John James of Pencnwck, Dinas. Hopefully you can use the link to look at the will yourself. Llanwnwr is a large farm close to Strumble Head on Pen Caer. Batine is a surname still found in this area (Fishguard/Goodwick) Myra Heywood, Goodwick

Hello list, Can somebody tell when the Eistedfodd was in Penbre? I have a photo of Patrick Lombard with a chair, mentioning Eistedfodd Penbre. Elwyn - Netherlands.

Hi Yvonne, It is not a problem, we all need to ask our questions and ask for help :0) Thank you for your input and comments, I too wish you luck with your PEREGRINES, as I have said before on list and will again, Bettye is totally amazing! She is so knowledgable, I wish I had her here with me at this moment to straighten me out :0) Good Luck again, Kind Regards, Carol ---------------------------------------- > From: a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk > To: lki59595@bigpond.net.au; manxie55@hotmail.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE surname query > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:20:27 +0000 > > Hi Bettye and Carol, > I am sorry Carol if I have drawn attention away from your search for > "Batine" I should be very interested to know of your search results. I > wonder why someone of that name lived in North Pembs? The |Peregrine study > has nearly defeated me! and Bettye I have heard of the strong possibility > that the name is interchangeable with Perkins. There were many Perkins on > the borders of Pembs and Carms in the 19th Century but have now "dried up" > One tale given me was that 12 brothers came into Milford Haven as refugees > around 1600 and scattered throughout Dyfed((apparently f rom the > Netherlands) I was told this by a much respected chapel minister whose > mother was a Peregrine of Carms. I wish I had not heard that tale as it > has really confused me!! Carol I hope you have a successful search! > Yvonne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" > To: "yvonne evans" ; "Carol Lloyd" > ; > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE surname query > > >> Dear Yvonne, >> >> Here is the first paragraph I have written for my own Peregrine..........I >> am not saying I am correct.....but this is what my own research has >> revealed. >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >> >> Peregrine Devonald was an original.a "one-off". No other Devonald, before >> or since, appears to have borne the given name of Peregrine. "Peregrine" >> is a fairly rare, though recognised surname in Wales and is said to have >> derived from the latinisation of the name Perkins. The "peregrini" were >> travellers, pilgrims..Celtic Saints who travelled between Britain and >> Ireland. Peregrine Devonald's ancestry may have foundations, at present >> unknown, in a family surnamed Peregrine. Perkin de Hoda appears in >> Pembrokeshire history, as does David Gwilym Perkin descended from the >> illustrious ruler of Deheubarth, Rhys ap Tewdwr. Peregrine could descend >> from undiscovered Devonalds, or his unknown mother may have had some >> connection to a Perkin. As Peregrine named his son William, it is >> possible, and considered most likely, that he descended from William >> Devonald, one of the five sons of James Devonald who died in 1584/5 from >> his second marriage to Angharad, daughter of Thomas Lloyd of Vagwr Goch, >> Llantood. >> >> ....................From Yvonne....... >> . I have ancestors with French sounding name who have >>> been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is >>> Peregrine.I >>> am still trying to sort it out! >>> Best wishes >>> Yvonne Evans >> > _________________________________________________________________ Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/