Dear Yvonne, I think we have discussed this previously. The St. Cristiolus church MI's show later Selbys at Eglwyswrw at Huan but no Shelbys. This property was previously occupied by the Hughes family...David Hughes married Margaret Daniel at Eglwyswrw in 1800. There might be deed information on The Nat. Library site....David Hughes was in residence until at least 1820 according to the Land Tax records. I presume you refer to Whitechurch-in-Cemais, which is next to Meline..both are close to Eglwyswrw. Daniel Peregrine in 1799 at Meline married Dorothy David and Griffith Peregrine in 1734 married Susanna Deveraux there. This does not of course mean that Griffith and Daniel were domiciled in Meline.....it could be their brides' parish. Have you by any chance purchased these parish register marriage entries (or perhaps you are in a position to view them)..... witness names often give further clues. Who witnessed Anne Peregrine and William Shelby's marriage? Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Watson" <yvonne.watson@gmail.com> To: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> Cc: <surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Yvonne Evans ~ Pergines of Pembroke > Hi Yvonne > I have an Anne Peregrine who married William Shelby in Eglwyswrw on 18 Nov > 1823. This is all I know about Anne and haven't been able to find her > birth > yet. She was born about 1796 in Whitechurch. > Any help gratefully received > Yvonne > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:20 PM, yvonne evans > <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk>wrote: > >> Hello Owen. >> I shall send you more individual families' names etc. as soon as I sort >> the >> papers out. Anne Peregrine b1854 Aberdare was m y g.grandmother who was >> raised in Llandysilio/Vicars Mill area (near Llanycefn) She was raised by >> her grandparents John and Anne Peregrine of Llangwm Lodge Llanycefn It is >> difficult to find John and Anne's parents because they were using >> patrynomic >> names as well as the name Peregrine. John and Anne were 40+ in 1841. Anne >> was born Llanycefn. she may have been an Anne Thomas. In much earlier >> years >> at Llandysilio Church there were mostly Perkins christenings and I >> believe >> there is a possibility the names were interchangeable but I cannot prove >> it. >> Many Perkins were in Llandysilio Cilymaenllwyd areas in 19th century. >> John >> Peregrine was born at Llandysilio. I believe they changed religion to >> nonconformity around 1840 i.e. Rhydwilym or Llandeilo Maenclochog. >> They were masons as well as their descendants(many masons amongst them) >> Earliest Peregrine Llandysilio christened around 1720. Off line I can >> send >> you Peregrine details compiled by a man of South of England and shall >> ask >> his permission this week. Helen (A Lister) has today informed me on line >> of >> her Peregrine ancestors at LLangyndeirne Carms.(also Masons) . Also >> Llandysilio Peregrines were somehow related to Eglwyswrw Peregrines. I >> also >> know there was a Peregrine who was harbour master at Milford but he >> seemed >> to be in a quite different class to the humble Peregrines of Llanycefn! >> Many thanks >> Yvonne >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk> >> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:23 PM >> Subject: [Dyfed] Yvonne Evans ~ Pergines of Pembroke >> >> >> > I have ancestors with French sounding name who have >> >> been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is >> >> Peregrine.I >> >> am still trying to sort it out! >> >> Best wishes >> >> Yvonne Evans >> > >> > Yvonne >> > I am aware of the Pergrine surname in Pembrokeshire from at least the >> 18th >> > through 20th century. Email me direct with details and I will try to >> help. >> > Rgds >> > Owen V. >> > ORIEL a welsh window on a surname >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ================================ >> > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I have nothing to add concerning the Griffiths family of Llanwnwr at present. In the past I have tried to find out where Moses Griffiths came from, it was he who left his mansion at Manorowen to the son of his Bailiff, Thomas Johns. Church records for Llanwnda for the dates we want were destroyed by the French. The weather is cold and miserable at the moment, but when it improves I will have a look at the burial grounds Myra

Hi Vera & List, Many thanks for help. I have been looking on the IGI as a secondary source and not via extracted records, so uncertain, but, I have found that Stephen DEVEREUX who was married to Mary DAVIES in 1758 at Llanstadwell, seems to have been married twice, if I have read this correctly? He is recorded as marrying an Elizabeth JAMES in 1773 at Walwyns Castle Pembroke. Would this be correct I wonder? According to Vera, he was buried at Llanstadwell in 1797. There is mention here also of a Will in 1777,at Hasguard (presumed Fishguard?) Pembroke, naming spouse as Elizabeth JAMES. Regards, Carol _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Hi Vera & List, Many thanks for help. I have been looking on the IGI as a secondary source and not via extracted records, so uncertain, but, I have found that Stephen DEVEREUX who was married to Mary DAVIES in 1758 at Llanstadwell, seems to have been married twice, if I have read this correctly? He is recorded as marrying an Elizabeth JAMES in 1773 at Walwyns Castle Pembroke. Would this be correct I wonder? According to Vera, he was buried at Llanstadwell in 1797. There is mention here also of a Will in 1777,at Hasguard ( presumed Fishguard? ) Pembroke, naming spouse as Elizabeth JAMES. Regards, Carol ================================= > From: v.lowe@btinternet.com > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:20:56 +0000 > Subject: [Dyfed] Batine/Devereux > > I have sent a copy of this to Carol off list. > Vera > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Hi all I`m looking for Margaret LLoyd on the 1901 census in 1891 she was living in Moor Street Aberystwyth with her two daughters Mary E lewis and Margaret L Lewis age 7 Margaret was down as a housekeeper she was born in Aberystwyth and was aged 48 in 1891 be very gratef ul if anyone can find her on 1901.

Dear Dai, So far nobody has objected to this continuing on the List......seemed like old times this morning when I opened to 22 messages! I apologise to those folks, who obviously like me, did not receive the first reply I sent to Carol. I know some did not originally receive it because they later supplied information I had included in my first message. I know I wrote to you and asked if something strange had happened.....something must have...because this morning it arrived as one of the twenty two.........several days after I had originally sent it. Must have been The Martians! Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dai & Angela Bevan" <daibevan@clara.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE Surname Query > Why would I object Carol? It's all genealogy. I'm glad to see the > activity. I just wish someone could sort out my BEVANs for me! > > Dai > > Carol Lloyd wrote: >> <snip> >> I have printed off the information that you sent to the list, hopefully >> Dai won't mind this all being onlist but it does make interesting reading >> doesn't it? So, hopefully he will excuse our correspondence :0) >> >> A million thank you's >> Many Kindest Regards, >> Carol >> >> >> > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

The full details can be got from Neath Library, they have the papers on fiche, they will print them off for you for a small fee.? I'm unable to climb the stairs to the library, if I could I would get them. So is there an able bodied member in the Neath area who would be willing to do it.? MARRIAGES. Journal date 22.Jan. 1820. Mr. THOMAS BATHA, of Deemshill, Milford to Miss BATINE, late of Barrat's Hill. Journal date 5th Nov. 1842. JOHN CLEMENT, Shrewsbury, to ANNIE DOROTHY BATINE, Llanwnnwr, M. WILLIAMS' niece, Cwmgloyne. DEATH NOTICES. Journal May 28th 1847. St. Martins' Haverfordwest, FRANCIS BATINE esq, aged 68, officer in the India Army. June 4th 1847. At Haverfordwest, Captain BATINE, aged 73. March 5th 1855. THOMAS BATINE at Llanwnnwr, near Fishguard aged 84. John Patrick

I have not read all the correspondence on the subject, so I had a look in the Cambrian News online. I found references to two marriages, and three death notices. Between 1820-1850. John Patrick

Hello Fred Could it be this one? 25 May 1821 John Philipps Widower, Llandilo married Mary Anne LLoyd , widow, Brunant in Cynwyl Gaeo CMN I think Mary Anne was the widow of the Rev John Lloyd of Cynwyl Gaeo who was buried in Jan 1815. Does this fit in with your information? If you are interested in a David Phillips then that must be a different couple. What was the name of the daughter born in 1813? Cheers Pat In message <9B91846D437B4069ABF4753EC5C63A40@DadPC>, Fred Seamons <fseamons@ubtanet.com> writes >Hi Listers, > >Does someone have any information on a marriage between Mary Ann LLOYD and a >David or John PHILLIPS, a widower? > >Family records show that they married abt 1820. David had a daughter born in a >prior marriage. The daughter was born 1813 in St Martin Haverfordwest. > >Thanks, Fred > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message -- pat

Dear Sandra   I came across this Margaret (Margt) Lloyd, widow, right age, same occupation, in Hengoed, Carms.  Hope she fits.   Best wishes   Jen   Margt Lloyd, servant widow age  57 birth year 1844 born Aberystwyth Housekeeper Domestic     RG number: RG13 Piece: 5090 Folio: 99 Page: 5 Registration District: Llanelly Sub District: Llanelly EnumerationDistrict: 33 Ecclesiastical Parish: Llanelly St Elli Civil Parish: Llanelly Rural Municipal Borough: Address: 3, Stradey Lodge, Llanelly Rural, Hengoed County: Carmarthenshire --- On Tue, 2/2/10, sandra.evans3@ntlworld.com <sandra.evans3@ntlworld.com> wrote: From: sandra.evans3@ntlworld.com <sandra.evans3@ntlworld.com> Subject: [Dyfed] 1901 census help for Margaret LLoyd To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 14:01 Hi all I`m looking for Margaret LLoyd on the 1901 census in 1891 she was living in Moor Street Aberystwyth with her two daughters Mary E lewis and Margaret L Lewis age 7 Margaret was down as a housekeeper she was born in Aberystwyth and was aged 48 in 1891 be very gratef ul if anyone can find her on 1901. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bettye Good to hear from you. Yes there were Selbys at Huan later on and in fact I believe still own the property. The spelling of the Selby name certainly varies and I believe it's largely due to the Pembrokeshire dialect. My own grandfather was born a Selby,married as a Shelby and died as a Selby. There are also many other variations in the spelling due to very bad transcriptions. The witnesses at the marriage of Anne Peregrine and William Shelby are Thomas Shelby , William's brother and a David Evan. I must admit I haven't checked to see whether David had witnessed any other marriages in the church. In 1825 William and Anne were living at Selvetch when son Thomas was baptised and when William died in 1846 they were living in Cwm. Both places as far as I know were in Eglwyswrw. I've found a Benjamin Peregrine bc 1803 living in the Poor house Eglwyswrw in 1851 who gives place of birth as Whitechurch. Anne too is living in the poor house at this time after William's death. Could it be that they were receiving relief from the parish of Whitechurch. Do you know if there are any records which might confirm this? Benjamin gives place of birth in 1861 as Meline which of course borders the parish of Whitechurch. I will try and check out the marriages you suggest to see the witnesses. Thank you again for all your help Best Wishes Yvonne On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:32 AM, LC & BJ Kirkwood <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>wrote: > Dear Yvonne, > > I think we have discussed this previously. The St. Cristiolus church MI's > show later Selbys at Eglwyswrw at Huan > but no Shelbys. This property was previously occupied by the Hughes > family...David Hughes married Margaret Daniel at Eglwyswrw in 1800. > There might be deed information on The Nat. Library site....David Hughes > was > in residence until at least 1820 according to the Land Tax records. > > I presume you refer to Whitechurch-in-Cemais, which is next to Meline..both > are close to Eglwyswrw. > Daniel Peregrine in 1799 at Meline married Dorothy David and Griffith > Peregrine in 1734 married Susanna Deveraux there. > This does not of course mean that Griffith and Daniel were domiciled in > Meline.....it could be their brides' parish. > Have you by any chance purchased these parish register marriage entries (or > perhaps you are in a position to view them)..... > witness names often give further clues. > > Who witnessed Anne Peregrine and William Shelby's marriage? > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yvonne Watson" <yvonne.watson@gmail.com> > To: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> > Cc: <surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Yvonne Evans ~ Pergines of Pembroke > > > > Hi Yvonne > > I have an Anne Peregrine who married William Shelby in Eglwyswrw on 18 > Nov > > 1823. This is all I know about Anne and haven't been able to find her > > birth > > yet. She was born about 1796 in Whitechurch. > > Any help gratefully received > > Yvonne > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:20 PM, yvonne evans > > <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk>wrote: > > > >> Hello Owen. > >> I shall send you more individual families' names etc. as soon as I sort > >> the > >> papers out. Anne Peregrine b1854 Aberdare was m y g.grandmother who was > >> raised in Llandysilio/Vicars Mill area (near Llanycefn) She was raised > by > >> her grandparents John and Anne Peregrine of Llangwm Lodge Llanycefn It > is > >> difficult to find John and Anne's parents because they were using > >> patrynomic > >> names as well as the name Peregrine. John and Anne were 40+ in 1841. > Anne > >> was born Llanycefn. she may have been an Anne Thomas. In much earlier > >> years > >> at Llandysilio Church there were mostly Perkins christenings and I > >> believe > >> there is a possibility the names were interchangeable but I cannot prove > >> it. > >> Many Perkins were in Llandysilio Cilymaenllwyd areas in 19th century. > >> John > >> Peregrine was born at Llandysilio. I believe they changed religion to > >> nonconformity around 1840 i.e. Rhydwilym or Llandeilo Maenclochog. > >> They were masons as well as their descendants(many masons amongst them) > >> Earliest Peregrine Llandysilio christened around 1720. Off line I can > >> send > >> you Peregrine details compiled by a man of South of England and shall > >> ask > >> his permission this week. Helen (A Lister) has today informed me on > line > >> of > >> her Peregrine ancestors at LLangyndeirne Carms.(also Masons) . Also > >> Llandysilio Peregrines were somehow related to Eglwyswrw Peregrines. I > >> also > >> know there was a Peregrine who was harbour master at Milford but he > >> seemed > >> to be in a quite different class to the humble Peregrines of Llanycefn! > >> Many thanks > >> Yvonne > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk> > >> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:23 PM > >> Subject: [Dyfed] Yvonne Evans ~ Pergines of Pembroke > >> > >> > >> > I have ancestors with French sounding name who have > >> >> been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is > >> >> Peregrine.I > >> >> am still trying to sort it out! > >> >> Best wishes > >> >> Yvonne Evans > >> > > >> > Yvonne > >> > I am aware of the Pergrine surname in Pembrokeshire from at least the > >> 18th > >> > through 20th century. Email me direct with details and I will try to > >> help. > >> > Rgds > >> > Owen V. > >> > ORIEL a welsh window on a surname > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ================================ > >> > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ================================ > >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I have sent a copy of this to Carol off list. Vera

Bettye and all, There seems to have been a problem somewhere between us and Rootsweb servers. I too received several late messages, and on two occasions I have received digests after receiving two later ones. Better late than never I suppose - but it can lead to misunderstandings. Dai LC & BJ Kirkwood wrote: > > I know I wrote to you and asked if something strange had > happened.....something must have...because this morning it arrived as > one of the twenty two.........several days after I had originally sent > it. Must have been The Martians! > > Bettye Kirkwood. > > -

Dear Carol, Whilst I am basking in all the praise you have heaped upon me, it is quite undeserved as I know it is just luck that you've asked for things I know a little about....and have some records to back them up. Glad to have Sylvia and Myra on board to give you practical and sensible information. You are indeed fortunate because many of the families associated with yours are amongst Pembrokeshire's elite and wealthy ...so much has been written about them. I've spent all my spare time today on your quest....and, don't worry, I'm in a tangle too. I have lots on the Williams of Velindre but that can keep for another day. In the e-mail you sent to me direct, you are still a little bit wrong in your assumptions. I've found my missing abstract. William Batine, Residence Barretts Hill, Steynton, Pembroke, Gentleman. Date of Probate 21 Sept. 1819. Morgan Jones Esq. , Trustee & friend, - residence Llwynbedw Thomas Morrice, Farmer, Trustee and friend. Anne Batine, daughter....leasehold at Milford, Pemb. Mary Batine, daughter Lettice Ford Batine, daughter. Sir William Hamilton, Lessor Rt. Hon. Charles Francis Granville, lessor. Margaret, wife of John Devereux Thomas Batine, son Francis Batine, son William Batine, son. Witnesses William Cassell Jnr., J. George, Lieutenant, William Lewis. Under One thousand one Hundred pounds Using this abstract as a guide, perhaps you will gain even more knowledge if you read the actual Will from The Nat. Library site. ....... Now we know from Major Jones, the late Welsh Herald's work that William Batine had a three lives lease on Llanwnwr, Llanwnda from Thomas Griffith Esq. Thomas Batine married Elizabeth William at Nevern in 1802....she had family money and land behind her too! We know from his Will some details about his three daughters and their married names...did others mentioned in the 1841 census die before Thomas did, or were they perhaps mainly children of his brother Francis...or the unknown brother William, mentioned in his father's Will. The information I previously provided gave Thomas Batine an age of 84 at death, so he would actually be born c. 1771 and in 1789 when the lease of Llanwnwr was negotiated he would be aged 18.....did his father give him control of it, I wonder? Under Denant, Steynton, Major Jones wrote "in 1833 Thomas Batine held Denant (525 acres) on a lease of lives and yearly rent of 240 pounds. By 1844 it had been bought by John Howard Peel". I wonder against whose lives the lease was written ..maybe it is on The National Library website in one of the Deeds. Unfortunately, I can't find a record of William Batine's marriage to Dorothy. I thought she might be a Ford, considering one daughter had Ford as her middle name, but I could find nothing. If Thomas Batine was born in 1771 and either he or his sister Mary was the first born......we can estimate that his father and mother, William Batine and Dorothy would be born, probably, c. 1740 or 1750. I now refer to information contained in Major Jones article "The Squires of Stonehall"...... "Richard Ford and Mary Wogan had eight daughters and their mother's moiety of the Stone Hall estate was divided among them". They were... 1. Anne Ford..married after 1693 George Owen..etc. 2. Bridget Ford married before 1688 Gilbert James of Trewallterwen and Lochmeyler etc....... 3. Mary Ford married after 1693 the merchant Benjamin Stokes of Haverfordwest and Rosemarket etc. 4. Lettice Ford married after 1693 Edward Mathias of Castlemorris etc. ............................... 5.Joan Ford married before 1693 John Griffith of LLANWNWR in Pencaer, gentleman. His Will dated 18 May 1726 was proved in 1731. They had five children, John, Stephen (died before 1731), Benjamin, Mary, Lettice (Note. A Thomas Griffith of Llanwnwr, esquire, died on 3 November, 1808 aged 68, his wife Martha on 9 October, 1796, aged 61 and were buried at Llanwnda). ................................ 6. Grace Ford married before 1693 Constantine Phillips........ 7. Dorothy Ford married a Mr. Palmer and was a widow 1693-1702. She afterwards married a widower Revd. Thomas Davies........ 8. Jane Ford unmarried in 1693 (Note it is possible that she married Anthony Stokes of Bangeston......... " Dorothy was a name well used at this time in the area, but it was certainly a WOGAN name....in fact all the names of Richard Ford's children are repeated in the Batines. John Griffith and Joan Ford were not William Batine's wife's parents....but I am wondering,. as I've estimated she would be born c. 1740 to 50 if perhaps Dorothy Batine was a child of one of their children. I wonder if Myra has looked at the Griffith Wills, as she is researching the area. We know Thomas Batine married in 1802 at Nevern. Margaret, his sister, married John Devereux at Steynton in 1803. Perhaps Vera Lowe, if she is home, has more information. Who of the Batines was in America with Custer.......I probably lost that when I had my two computer crashes.....know I had read it, but can't remember the details. I have more Batine information.....need to check if there are possible Wills for the husbands of other Batine ladies. Carol....I have probably really confused you now!!! Forgot to mention Sir William Hamilton......under St. Kennox, Llawhaden.....from Major Jones "In 1786 Sir William Hamilton was owner. Lord Nelson took the opportunity to visit the Royal Dockyards at Milford Haven whilst being entertained here by Lady Hamilton. Sir William Hamilton was a true patriot, even being prepared to lay down his wife for England" (No, no typo here!) This was Sir William's second wife....his sickly Barlow family heiress first wife left him very land rich! Under Cilciffeth...."The Hon. Charles Greville, who inherited the estate from his uncle, Sir William Hamilton, died unmarried in 1809, leaving Cilciffeth to his brother Robert whose son, Robert Fulke Greville, in 1856 sold the house and its demesne etc." The Rt. Hon. Charles Francis Granville, as shown on the abstract, is incorrect. Dai, would you like us to go off-list now with all this? Does it have family interest to anyone other than Carol? Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Birch" <cenquest@tiscali.co.uk> To: <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE surname query > Dear Carol > > Following on from Myra, who tells us that Eleanor's father was Thomas > Batine. > > 1841 Living at Llanwnwr, Llanwnda > Thomas Batine age 65, occupation Farmer, born in Pembrokeshire > Elizabeth Batine age 60, born Pembs > Thomas Batine age 20, born Pembs > Anne Batine age 30, Elizabeth Batine age 25. > Also in house were Francis Batine (Male) age 55, Independant. > Anne Batine age 40. William Willams age 4. All were born in Pembs. > Together with 3 servants. > Remember in 1841 ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 or 0. > > Thomas Batine married Elizabeth Williams at Nevern in 1802. > > 1851 still living at Llanwnwr, Llanwnda, Pembs > Thomas Batine age 80, married, Farmer of 330 acres employing 9 > labourers, born Stainton (which is Steynton today). > Elizabeth wife, age 82, born Nevern. Elizabeth daughter, age 37 born > Llanwnda. > Ann James, granddaughter, age 8, scholar, born Dinas. > > Best Wishes > Sylvia > > > ................................................................. > Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, > Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at > www.cenquest.co.uk > > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Melanie and Listers, You are quite correct in noting that the Peregrines of Dinas had Master Mariner connections. From my research it seems that the original Peregrines of Dinas were from Eglwyswrw. Yvonne Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "melanie stark" <mel.stark@hotmail.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: [Dyfed] RE Peregrines of Pembroke > > > > Yvonne > > A sister of my Great great grandfather James Evans of Dinas Cross,.. > married into the Peregrine's of Dinas Cross. > I shall dig out what I have on them, if memory serves me correctly there > were Sea Captains in several generations > > Melanie > researching various surnames in North Pembs > >> Yvonne >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk> >> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:23 PM >> Subject: [Dyfed] Yvonne Evans ~ Pergines of Pembroke >> >> >> > I have ancestors with French sounding name who have >> >> been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is >> >> Peregrine.I >> >> am still trying to sort it out! >> >> Best wishes >> >> Yvonne Evans >> > >> > ********************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, Does someone have any information on a marriage between Mary Ann LLOYD and a David or John PHILLIPS, a widower? Family records show that they married abt 1820. David had a daughter born in a prior marriage. The daughter was born 1813 in St Martin Haverfordwest. Thanks, Fred

Hi Yvonne I have an Anne Peregrine who married William Shelby in Eglwyswrw on 18 Nov 1823. This is all I know about Anne and haven't been able to find her birth yet. She was born about 1796 in Whitechurch. Any help gratefully received Yvonne On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:20 PM, yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk>wrote: > Hello Owen. > I shall send you more individual families' names etc. as soon as I sort > the > papers out. Anne Peregrine b1854 Aberdare was m y g.grandmother who was > raised in Llandysilio/Vicars Mill area (near Llanycefn) She was raised by > her grandparents John and Anne Peregrine of Llangwm Lodge Llanycefn It is > difficult to find John and Anne's parents because they were using > patrynomic > names as well as the name Peregrine. John and Anne were 40+ in 1841. Anne > was born Llanycefn. she may have been an Anne Thomas. In much earlier years > at Llandysilio Church there were mostly Perkins christenings and I believe > there is a possibility the names were interchangeable but I cannot prove > it. > Many Perkins were in Llandysilio Cilymaenllwyd areas in 19th century. John > Peregrine was born at Llandysilio. I believe they changed religion to > nonconformity around 1840 i.e. Rhydwilym or Llandeilo Maenclochog. > They were masons as well as their descendants(many masons amongst them) > Earliest Peregrine Llandysilio christened around 1720. Off line I can send > you Peregrine details compiled by a man of South of England and shall ask > his permission this week. Helen (A Lister) has today informed me on line > of > her Peregrine ancestors at LLangyndeirne Carms.(also Masons) . Also > Llandysilio Peregrines were somehow related to Eglwyswrw Peregrines. I also > know there was a Peregrine who was harbour master at Milford but he seemed > to be in a quite different class to the humble Peregrines of Llanycefn! > Many thanks > Yvonne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:23 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] Yvonne Evans ~ Pergines of Pembroke > > > > I have ancestors with French sounding name who have > >> been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is > >> Peregrine.I > >> am still trying to sort it out! > >> Best wishes > >> Yvonne Evans > > > > Yvonne > > I am aware of the Pergrine surname in Pembrokeshire from at least the > 18th > > through 20th century. Email me direct with details and I will try to > help. > > Rgds > > Owen V. > > ORIEL a welsh window on a surname > > > > > > > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Dai, This is such an interesting list at the best of times,and everyone is so kind,I love it! But, I DO hope someone is able to help you with your BEVAN's. Regards, Carol > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:36:30 +0000 > From: daibevan@clara.co.uk > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE Surname Query > > Why would I object Carol? It's all genealogy. I'm glad to see the > activity. I just wish someone could sort out my BEVANs for me! > > Dai > > Carol Lloyd wrote: >> <snip> >> I have printed off the information that you sent to the list, hopefully Dai won't mind this all being onlist but it does make interesting reading doesn't it? So, hopefully he will excuse our correspondence :0) >> >> A million thank you's >> Many Kindest Regards, >> Carol >> >> >> > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

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Yvonne A sister of my Great great grandfather James Evans of Dinas Cross,.. married into the Peregrine's of Dinas Cross. I shall dig out what I have on them, if memory serves me correctly there were Sea Captains in several generations Melanie researching various surnames in North Pembs > Yvonne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:23 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] Yvonne Evans ~ Pergines of Pembroke > > > > I have ancestors with French sounding name who have > >> been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is > >> Peregrine.I > >> am still trying to sort it out! > >> Best wishes > >> Yvonne Evans > > > > ********************* _________________________________________________________________ Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/