Dear Sandra and Jon You may like to consider the following suggestion: Before 1837 while Hardwickes Act was in force, marriages had to take place at the Parish Church (even non-conformist and RC ones) to be legal. After 1837, marriages could take place in any premises licensed for marriages. However, Church of England churches did not need to be licensed and I assume that that applied in Wales too, since at this time the Anglican Church was the Established Church in Wales as well as England. While this was the case, it would be up to the bishop to decide which of the churches under his authority could perform marriages, so EW could have been used for marriages if the bishop said so, either in exceptional cases, or as a general rule. This would apply in 1900. However, in 1920 the Church in Wales was disestablished (and disendowed). In other words, it lost its "official" status and it follows that it would have lost its automatic right to use its churches as locations for marriages. It also lost some funding. Licensing premises costs churches money, so as an economy measure, EW might not have been so licensed from 1920, in which case it would not have been able to hold weddings from that date. By 1937 clearly the church had been licensed by the church authorities: it became legally possible to hold weddings there again, and for the first time necessarily recording them in its own register. Perhaps by 1937 people had generally forgotten that there had ever been weddings there, and given that there was no separate register, even the priest-in-charge might have believed that there being no register prior to 1937 indicated that no weddings had ever taken place there. I doubt if any journalist would have bothered to check his sources if the priest-in-charge had told him this. These days people like us would no doubt have been down on the paper like a ton of bricks pointing out the inaccuracy, but then marriage records were not under such intense scrutiny, and only some of the locals would have realized the story was inaccurate. They presumably didn't read the paper, or couldn't care less. That is my hypothesis, any way. Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 20:11 +0000, SANDRA DAVIES wrote: > Sorry that marriage date should have said 02 Oct 1900 - sorry for any confusion. > Hello Jon > > I have noted the marriage of Frederick Merriman (brother to my gt grandfather Edwin) and Edith Mary Thomas at East Williamston on 18th October 1928 - well before 1937. This has come from the Begelly registers at the Records Office in Haverfordwest. There must have been some indication in the register that the ceremony took place at East Williamston and not Begelly for me to record that. Although, if I have copied this down incorrectly I am happy to be corrected! > > Regards > Sandra > > --- On Wed, 3/2/10, Jonmein@aol.com <Jonmein@aol.com> wrote: > > Hello > > I am having an argument with a local historian about the church at East > Williamston (EW) in Pembrokeshire. Thoughts welcome on the following: > > EW was until the late 20th century part of Begelly parish. There were two > churches in the parish, that already mentioned at EW and secondly St Mary's > in Begelly itself, both at least dating from the medieval period. Begelly > parish registers do not distinguish in any way between events > (baptisms/marriages/burials) held at either of the two churches: everything is shown as > "Begelly". (There are graves at EW although these are recorded in the > Begelly burial registers). > > Here's the conundrum: a report of a wedding in the Narberth Weekly > newspaper in 1937 suggests that this wedding was the first held at EW church. This > is counter-intuitive: it must have been about 3 miles or so from the > southern end of Begelly parish around EW to St Mary's at Begelly. With a church > on the doorstep at EW it would make sense for weddings to be held there > especially as the local roads were lousy. > > I am looking for a explanation as to why EW may not have been used for > weddings pre-1937. Did churches have to be licensed with the bishop to hold > weddings in the 19th century? > > I am aware of course that non-conformist chapels had to be licensed to hold > marriages but this is a separate matter. > > Jon >

I took a fast look at marriage records of families in my tree known to have lived in EW/Temple Bar/Beaconing area who are buried at EW church.  Granted these are in the 1800s not 1900s. All marriages are indicated as being performed in Begelly parish not EW, but most do not specify that they took place at Begelly church specifically. So as you say, they might possibly have been performed at one of the other churches in Begelly parish. Rachel Boyd CT, USA ________________________________ From: "Jonmein@aol.com" <Jonmein@aol.com> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 12:59:08 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Licence to hold marriages Hello I am having an argument with a local historian about the church at East  Williamston (EW) in Pembrokeshire. Thoughts welcome on the following: EW was until the late 20th century part of Begelly parish. There were two  churches in the parish, that already mentioned at EW and secondly St Mary's in  Begelly itself, both at least dating from the medieval period. Begelly  parish registers do not distinguish in any way between events  (baptisms/marriages/burials) held at either of the two churches: everything is  shown as "Begelly". (There are graves at EW although these are recorded in  the Begelly burial registers). Here's the conundrum: a report of a wedding in the Narberth Weekly  newspaper in 1937 suggests that this wedding was the first held at EW church.  This is counter-intuitive: it must have been about 3 miles or so from the  southern end of Begelly parish around EW to St Mary's at Begelly. With a church  on the doorstep at EW it would make sense for weddings to be held there  especially as the local roads were lousy. I am looking for a explanation as to why EW may not have been used for  weddings pre-1937. Did churches have to be licensed with the bishop to hold  weddings in the 19th century? I am aware of course that non-conformist chapels had to be licensed to hold marriages but this is a separate matter. Jon ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I should have posted this previous, sorry its so late. From my database of Pembrokeshire Military Headstones 1722 to 2006 I note Corporal Thomas James Peregrine 14th Bttn Welsh Regt the son of William & Jane Peregrine of High Street Narberth died 3rd Sept 1920 aged 34 years, buried at Narberth. I hope to add more details later. Anyone who requires a photo of his headstone just drop me a line off list and I can send you a jpeg. Rgds Owen Vaughan ORIEL a welsh window on a surname

Hi, Just a thought, could the church have been closed for a period for repairs or similar and just re-opened. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jonmein@aol.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Licence to hold marriages > Hello > > I am having an argument with a local historian about the church at East > Williamston (EW) in Pembrokeshire. Thoughts welcome on the following: > > EW was until the late 20th century part of Begelly parish. There were two > churches in the parish, that already mentioned at EW and secondly St > Mary's > in Begelly itself, both at least dating from the medieval period. Begelly > parish registers do not distinguish in any way between events > (baptisms/marriages/burials) held at either of the two churches: > everything is shown as > "Begelly". (There are graves at EW although these are recorded in the > Begelly burial registers). > > Here's the conundrum: a report of a wedding in the Narberth Weekly > newspaper in 1937 suggests that this wedding was the first held at EW > church. This > is counter-intuitive: it must have been about 3 miles or so from the > southern end of Begelly parish around EW to St Mary's at Begelly. With a > church > on the doorstep at EW it would make sense for weddings to be held there > especially as the local roads were lousy. > > I am looking for a explanation as to why EW may not have been used for > weddings pre-1937. Did churches have to be licensed with the bishop to > hold > weddings in the 19th century? > > I am aware of course that non-conformist chapels had to be licensed to > hold > marriages but this is a separate matter. > > Jon > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry that marriage date should have said 02 Oct 1900 - sorry for any confusion. Sandra --- On Wed, 3/2/10, SANDRA DAVIES <sandramdavies@btinternet.com> wrote: From: SANDRA DAVIES <sandramdavies@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Licence to hold marriages To: dyfed@rootsweb.com, Jonmein@aol.com Date: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 20:08 Hello Jon I have noted the marriage of Frederick Merriman (brother to my gt grandfather Edwin) and Edith Mary Thomas at East Williamston on 18th October 1928 - well before 1937.  This has come from the Begelly registers at the Records Office in Haverfordwest.  There must have been some indication in the register that the ceremony took place at East Williamston and not Begelly for me to record that.  Although, if I have copied this down incorrectly I am happy to be corrected!  Regards Sandra --- On Wed, 3/2/10, Jonmein@aol.com <Jonmein@aol.com> wrote: From: Jonmein@aol.com <Jonmein@aol.com> Subject: [Dyfed] Licence to hold marriages To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 17:59 Hello I am having an argument with a local historian about the church at East  Williamston (EW) in Pembrokeshire. Thoughts welcome on the following: EW was until the late 20th century part of Begelly parish. There were two  churches in the parish, that already mentioned at EW and secondly St Mary's in  Begelly itself, both at least dating from the medieval period. Begelly  parish registers do not distinguish in any way between events  (baptisms/marriages/burials) held at either of the two churches: everything is  shown as "Begelly". (There are graves at EW although these are recorded in  the Begelly burial registers). Here's the conundrum: a report of a wedding in the Narberth Weekly  newspaper in 1937 suggests that this wedding was the first held at EW church.  This is counter-intuitive: it must have been about 3 miles or so from the  southern end of Begelly parish around EW to St Mary's at Begelly. With a church  on the doorstep at EW it would make sense for weddings to be held there  especially as the local roads were lousy. I am looking for a explanation as to why EW may not have been used for  weddings pre-1937. Did churches have to be licensed with the bishop to hold  weddings in the 19th century? I am aware of course that non-conformist chapels had to be licensed to hold marriages but this is a separate matter. Jon ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jon I have noted the marriage of Frederick Merriman (brother to my gt grandfather Edwin) and Edith Mary Thomas at East Williamston on 18th October 1928 - well before 1937.  This has come from the Begelly registers at the Records Office in Haverfordwest.  There must have been some indication in the register that the ceremony took place at East Williamston and not Begelly for me to record that.  Although, if I have copied this down incorrectly I am happy to be corrected!  Regards Sandra --- On Wed, 3/2/10, Jonmein@aol.com <Jonmein@aol.com> wrote: From: Jonmein@aol.com <Jonmein@aol.com> Subject: [Dyfed] Licence to hold marriages To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 17:59 Hello I am having an argument with a local historian about the church at East  Williamston (EW) in Pembrokeshire. Thoughts welcome on the following: EW was until the late 20th century part of Begelly parish. There were two  churches in the parish, that already mentioned at EW and secondly St Mary's in  Begelly itself, both at least dating from the medieval period. Begelly  parish registers do not distinguish in any way between events  (baptisms/marriages/burials) held at either of the two churches: everything is  shown as "Begelly". (There are graves at EW although these are recorded in  the Begelly burial registers). Here's the conundrum: a report of a wedding in the Narberth Weekly  newspaper in 1937 suggests that this wedding was the first held at EW church.  This is counter-intuitive: it must have been about 3 miles or so from the  southern end of Begelly parish around EW to St Mary's at Begelly. With a church  on the doorstep at EW it would make sense for weddings to be held there  especially as the local roads were lousy. I am looking for a explanation as to why EW may not have been used for  weddings pre-1937. Did churches have to be licensed with the bishop to hold  weddings in the 19th century? I am aware of course that non-conformist chapels had to be licensed to hold marriages but this is a separate matter. Jon ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Western Mail Tuesday June 1st 1926. Legal Notices. Re- ELIZABETH REES (Deceased)- All persons having any claims against the Estate of Elizabeth REES, late of 97, London-road, Neath. (Widow) who died on the 8th day of December, 1925, and whose Will was proved in the Principal Probate Registry on the 15th day of January, 1926, by Llewellyn LEWIS, the Executor. Dated this day 29th of May 1926. A. JESTYN JEFFREYS, Queen's-chambers, Neath, Solicitor to the said Executor. JOHN DAVIES (Deceased)- All persons having claims against the Estate of JOHN DAVIES (late Sinking Contractor) late of 21, Grange-street, Port Talbot, who died on the 19th day of May 1926. Dated the 29th of May 1926. TUDOR F. JONES, Port Talbot. Solicitor to the Executor. The BANKRUPTCY ACT, 1914. In the Aberdare and Mountain Ash Bankruptcy Court. No. 3 of 1926. Re- JOHN SAMUEL DAVIES, of Clifton Stores, Monk-street, Aberdare, Glam. Grocer and Provision Merchant. Receiving Order and Adjudication: 19 May, 1926. First Meeting: 10 June, 1926, at Eleven a.m., at 34, Park-place, Cardiff. Note:- All debts due to this Estate should be paid to me. GEORGE MILLINGTON- Deputy Official Receiver, 34, Park-place, Cardiff. Lilian BIRD, at present residing with her parents at Porth, applied at Newport on Monday for a seperation order against her husband, Thomas BIRD, of 26, Lime-street, Newport. Mr. W. Pitt LEWIS, for applicant, stated that efforts had been made to bring about a reconciliation since the adjournment of the case three months ago. Defendant had a home for her, but applicant was not willing to return. Mr. F.H. DAUNCEY, for the defendant, said that the couple had been married only three or four years. The defence was that no real case of persistent cruelty (the ground for the application) had been made out. Letters had been written, but the couple had not met during the last three months. After retiring the Bench adjourned the case for another month, hoping that a better spirit would prevail. Burglars have again been busy in Newport. Visiting Claremont, Gold Tops, the residence of Mr. W.J. FOX, they cut the telephone wires to render the instrument useless, and afterwards ransacked the lower rooms of the house. They took a wallet containing a couple of Treasury notes and small articles of jewellery. They then entered Mrs. FOX'S bedroom and on waking her from her sleep departed in haste. Another case of burglary is also reported from the Talbot Inn, Newport, where £10 was taken. An echo of a Cardiff matrimonial case came before the magistrates on Monday afternoon. A young woman named Hannah PUGH applied for the legal custody of her two children, Audrey PUGH and William PUGH. Mr. Tom JOHN, who appeared for her, said that on January 22, 1924, a maintenance order was made against the defendant. In April of the present year defendant was granted a revocation of the order on the ground of the wife's misconduct. Defendant, who had gone to live at Coventry, took the little girl away from the custody of the mother and placed her in the care of a relative. The boy was in the Edward Nicholl Home. Defendant said he objected to the children being in custody of his wife, as she could not look after them. Mrs. PUGH said she had been in the workhouse recently. The Bench dismissed the wife's application. Mr. Owen EVANS, a Morriston tenor, has been engaged by Mr. F.E. FRANKS, as chief tenor of his touring company in "The Love Birds." Mr.W.J. PARKER, presided at a meeting of the Cardiff Wednesday Baseball League at the Y.M.C.A. on Monday- Where transfers were granted to R. BRYANT (Cardiff Tramways) and W. COSLETT, from the Wednesday League to the Welsh League. Charged with breaking and entering a lock-up shop in Bute-street, Sidney SMITH 17, was committed for trial from the Cardiff vCourt on Monday. Mr. David REES conducted an inquest at the Senghenydd Police-station concerning the death of William George EDMUNDS, 47, colliery labourer, 140, Caerphilly-road, Senghenydd, who was found in the coal-house ast his home with his throat cut. John Henry NICHOLAS, who lived in apartments with EDMUNDS, said that on Saturday he went into the coal-house, where he saw EDMUNDS lying on the coal with his throat cut. A razor was lying near his foot, and the blade was covered with blood. EDMUNDS had been complaining recently of pain from a wound in one of his legs, he having had a serious accident some years ago. Mrs. EDMUNDS said her husband had recently been suffering from sleeplessness. Dr. James DONALDSON, Abertridwr, said death was due to the wound in the throat, which could have been self-inflicted. The Coroner returned a verdict of "Suicide whilst temporarily insane" John Patrick

Western Mail Tuesday June1st 1926. FAMILY ANNOUNCEMENTS. BIRTHS.. CAMPBELL-BROWN. On May 30th at Brondeg, Fields Park-road, Newport, Mon., to Capt. and Mrs. CAMPBELL-BROWN (nee Clare PHILLIPS), a daughter. EVANS.- On May 22nd, at Cartref, Westdale-lane, Mapperly, Nottingham, to Mr. and Mrs L.J. EVANS (nee KING) a daughter. Both doing well. MARRIAGES. MacLEOD - EVANS.- On 27th ult., at All Saints Church, Barry, Donald William, elder surviving son of Major and Mrs. MacLEOD, Gladstone-road, Barry, to Doris Irene, youngest daughter of the late David and Mrs. EVANS, Barry. DEATHS. BARRY.- On May 27, at Droitwich, suddenly, ex-Police-superintendent John James BARRY, Usk. Funeral by motor hearse on Tuesday June 1st, leaving Newmarket-street, Usk, at Two p.m. for Newport Cemetery; G.O. DAVIES.- On the 31st ult., at 9, Llwyn-y-Grant-road, Cardiff. Mary Anne (Nancy), daughter of the late Mrs. Elizabeth DAVIES, formerly of 9, Colum-road, Cardiff, and sister of Mr. Francis Thomas DAVIES. Funeral Wednesday, leaving residence 10.15 a.m. for St. Mellon's Church; G.O. HEALE.- May 28th. at 293, Moorland-road, Mary Brookes HEALE, widow of the late Samuel HEALE, in her 89th year. Funeral Wednesday, Eleven a.m. G.O. HORNE.- On Sunday, May 30th, Mary, beloved wife of William HORNE, passed peacefully away. Funeral arrangements later. JONES.- May 29th, Martha, beloved wife of Lewis JONES, Cwmteg, Llanedarne, aged 78. JONES.- May 29th, at No. 24, The Parade, Porth, Ellen, the dearly-beloved wife of William JONES. Funeral Thursday, June 3rd, at Three p.m., for Llethrddu Cemetery. LEWIS.- On Sunday, May 30th, at Shakespeare Inn, Neath, Evan LEWIS, late Licensee of the Vale of Neath Arms, aged 72. Funeral Thursday, 3.30; G.O. THOMAS.- On May 28th, at 24, Gwydr-crescent, Swansea, Catherine THOMAS, widow of late William THOMAS. Funeral Tuesday, 2.30, for Oystermouth; G.O. THOMAS.- On May 30th, at 28, Ilton-road, Cardiff, Robert THOMAS, late Post-office Telegraphist, aged 67 years, dearly-loved husband of Mary THOMAS. Funeral on Wednesday, to leave at Eleven a.m. for the Cemetery, Cardiff; G.O. WADE-EVANS.- On 30th May, at Bryncelyn, Ystalyfera, Thomas aged 76. Funeral Thursday, Four o'clock, for Holy Trinity Church; G.O.  N.F. WALTERS.- On May 30th, at 38, Glanbrydan-avenue, Swansea, Margaret Ann, aged 82 years, widow of the late Morgan WALTERS, King's Head, Llandovery. Funeral Thursday. Friends please meet at Llandingat Church 2.30. WESTLAKE.- On May 30, at 35, Inverness-place, Cardiff, Ellen, the beloved wife of William WESTLAKE. Funeral leaving residence at 2.30 p.m. on Thursday, June 3rd; G.O. N.F. WILLIAMS.- On May 30th, at 1, Graig Isaf, Aberdare, Margaret WILLIAMS, late Headmistress Cwmaman Infants' School, widow of late J.A. WILLIAMS, Headmaster of Cwmaman Boys' School. Funeral Thursday, Two o'clock; G.O. WILLIAMS.- On May 28th, at Arymor, New Quay, Cards. Mary Ann, widow of the late Capt. John WILLIAMS. Funeral Wednesday. ACKNOWLEDGMENTS. COSKER.- Mrs. Morgan COSKER and Family tender their deepest thanks to kind friends for expressions of sympathy and floral tributes. JONES.- The Widower and Relatives of the late Margaret Coakley JONES, 7, Caewallis-road, Bridgend, wish to thank all kind friends for their messages of sympathy and floral tributes. THOMAS.- Mr. and Mrs. John THOMAS, Glenview, Newton, Porthcawl, desire to express their thanks to all relatives and friends for their kind expressions of sympathy. IN MEMORIAM. HUGHES.- In Tender and Loving Memory of our darling Iris, weho fell asleep June 1st 1917.- Mam, Dad, and Leonard. MIDDLETON.- In Ever-loving Memory of Harry (Dad), who passed away June 1st, 1925.- Always in the thoughts of his Wife, Sons, and Daughter. MORRIS.- In Affectionate Remembrance of Annis, beloved sister of Mrs. A. WILLIAMS, Troedrhiwllech, Cwmdare, Aberdare, who died on 1st June, 1922.- Always remembered by Father, Sister, Brother, and Niece. John Patrick

Hello I am having an argument with a local historian about the church at East Williamston (EW) in Pembrokeshire. Thoughts welcome on the following: EW was until the late 20th century part of Begelly parish. There were two churches in the parish, that already mentioned at EW and secondly St Mary's in Begelly itself, both at least dating from the medieval period. Begelly parish registers do not distinguish in any way between events (baptisms/marriages/burials) held at either of the two churches: everything is shown as "Begelly". (There are graves at EW although these are recorded in the Begelly burial registers). Here's the conundrum: a report of a wedding in the Narberth Weekly newspaper in 1937 suggests that this wedding was the first held at EW church. This is counter-intuitive: it must have been about 3 miles or so from the southern end of Begelly parish around EW to St Mary's at Begelly. With a church on the doorstep at EW it would make sense for weddings to be held there especially as the local roads were lousy. I am looking for a explanation as to why EW may not have been used for weddings pre-1937. Did churches have to be licensed with the bishop to hold weddings in the 19th century? I am aware of course that non-conformist chapels had to be licensed to hold marriages but this is a separate matter. Jon

Hi Listers, I wonder if there's anyone going to Ceredigion archives who could do some lookups in the Llangoedmor and Verwick registers for me please? If you might be able to help, would you contact me off list please? Thanks, Ellie Thomas

Western Mail Monday May 31st 1926. A memorial service for the late Sir John WILLIAMS was held in the University College of Aberystwyth on Sunday evening. The mayor and corporation attended, and amongst the members of the National Library and College Governors on the platform were Sir Evan JONES, Sir Francis EDWARDS, and Mr. R. Hopkin M,ORRIS, M.P. The service was conducted by Dr. Peter PRICE and Canon D. WILLIAMS. Vice-principal EDWARDS, in a short address, referred to the great service rendered by Sir John WILLIAMS to education in Wales. He was followed by Sir Evan JONES, who dealt with Sir John's work in connection with the National Library. He said Sir John WILLIAMS was the father of the National Library and the Library was an example of his greatness. William Thomas EDMUNDS 47, of 140, Caerphilly-road, Senghenydd, was found dead on Saturday morning in a coal cellar with a terrible throat injury. Some time ago he met with a serious accident whilst working at the Sengenhydd Colliery, and since then had been a cripple. He leaves a widow, but no children. Mrs. Marian Elizabeth(otherwise Marian Elizabeth Gomer) WILLIAMS, of 27, Palace-road, Llandaff, who died on December 24, aged 80 years, widow of Mr. Gomer WILLIAMS., left property of the gross value of £9,184, with net personalty £9,077. Probate of the will dated May 21, 1923, with a codicil of December 21 1925, has been granted to Mr. H.M.A. HENNESSEY, of Cranley Gardens, Wallington, and Mr. A.C. MacINTOSH, of  Temple-chambers, 8, St. John-street, Cardiff. The testatrix left to each of her servants, Ellen WILLIAMS and Margaret TREHARNE, a sum not exceeding 10s. per week so that they may respectively be able to claim the maximum Government old-age pension to which they would be entitled if not receiving any benefit under her will, and, subject to some specific bequests she left the residue of her property as to one-half to her son Gwyn Gomer WILLIAMS and one-half in trust for her daughter Dame Kate LEWIS, O.B.E. (wife of Sir Herbert D.W. LEWIS), and her issue. Mr. Charles LEWIS, of Brynteg House, Trynant, near Crumlin, farmer, who died on October 22, left estate of the gross value of £7,961, with net personalty £7,689. Probate of the will dated October 3, 1924, has been granted to his widow, Mrs. Kate LEWIS, of Brynteg House, and Mr. David John LOUGHER, of Pontypool, mining engineer. Testator left £500 and his household effects to his wife and the residue of the property in trust for her for life, and then for the children of his late brother, Edmund LEWIS, or their issue in equal shares. CANOE DEATH. (shortened report). Verdict of "Accidental death by drowning" was returned at the inquest at Bournemouth on Saturday on Arthur J. HOWELL 27, of 29, Colchester-ave, Cardiff, who was drowned whilst boating on the River Stour near Christchurch, on Thursday. Evidence of identification was given by the father, Robert John HOWELL, same address, a marine engineer, who said his son was the chief clerk of the United British Insurance Company (Ltd). The Worcester coroner (Mr. Capel LOFT) held an inquest at Droitwich on John BARRY, of Usk, a retired superintendent of police, formerly of the Pontypool Division of the Monmouthshire Police Force, who died of heart disease whilst on holiday. (He always lodged with Violet Bessie WILLIS, Burrish-street, Droitwich). John Patrick

Dear Carol, And it grows and grows!!!!! I just thought to look at the 1670 Hearth tax and at Steynton, amongst the Paupers is Rice Battin, 1 Hearth.........don't be misled by the Pauper tag......most folks when they became aged and probably infirm received that title..... the family or the community had to look after them as they were unable to fend for themselves. Of course, one can't rule out the possibility that the person was actually a pauper as he did only have one hearth, and it could be that along the way one of the family members made a very advantageous marriage. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Bettye KIRKWOOD" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>; <griffiths780@btinternet.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: RE: [Dyfed] BATINE/CAMBRIAN NEWS. Dear John, May I also send my thanks to you, this is all so overwhelming and amazing for me.Maybe it should be made into an old costume Drama, wouldn't that be fun, as Bettye said " The BATINE Story " I am like an excited schoolgirl again :0) Off to bed now, Good Night all, Regards, Carol > From: lki59595@bigpond.net.au > To: griffiths780@btinternet.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:55:43 +1100 > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE/CAMBRIAN NEWS. > > Dear John, > > What you have sent is a marvellous addition to the Batine story......I > have > corresponding information which I have not yet had time to put together > for > Carol and the Dyflist. > > I have bought Cambrian information in the past from Glamorgan, but I don't > need it on this occasion. > Many thanks for your help. > > Bettye Kirkwood. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J GRIFFITHS" <griffiths780@btinternet.com> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:28 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] BATINE/CAMBRIAN NEWS. > > >> The full details can be got from Neath Library, they have the papers on >> fiche, they will print them off for you for a small fee.? >> >> I'm unable to climb the stairs to the library, if I could I would get >> them. So is there an able bodied member in the Neath area who would be >> willing to do it.? >> >> MARRIAGES. >> >> Journal date 22.Jan. 1820. >> >> Mr. THOMAS BATHA, of Deemshill, Milford to Miss BATINE, late of Barrat's >> Hill. >> >> Journal date 5th Nov. 1842. >> >> JOHN CLEMENT, Shrewsbury, to ANNIE DOROTHY BATINE, Llanwnnwr, M. >> WILLIAMS' >> niece, Cwmgloyne. >> >> DEATH NOTICES. >> >> Journal May 28th 1847. >> >> St. Martins' Haverfordwest, FRANCIS BATINE esq, aged 68, officer in the >> India Army. >> >> June 4th 1847. >> >> At Haverfordwest, Captain BATINE, aged 73. >> >> March 5th 1855. >> >> THOMAS BATINE at Llanwnnwr, near Fishguard aged 84. >> >> John Patrick >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Dear John, What you have sent is a marvellous addition to the Batine story......I have corresponding information which I have not yet had time to put together for Carol and the Dyflist. I have bought Cambrian information in the past from Glamorgan, but I don't need it on this occasion. Many thanks for your help. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J GRIFFITHS" <griffiths780@btinternet.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:28 PM Subject: [Dyfed] BATINE/CAMBRIAN NEWS. > The full details can be got from Neath Library, they have the papers on > fiche, they will print them off for you for a small fee.? > > I'm unable to climb the stairs to the library, if I could I would get > them. So is there an able bodied member in the Neath area who would be > willing to do it.? > > MARRIAGES. > > Journal date 22.Jan. 1820. > > Mr. THOMAS BATHA, of Deemshill, Milford to Miss BATINE, late of Barrat's > Hill. > > Journal date 5th Nov. 1842. > > JOHN CLEMENT, Shrewsbury, to ANNIE DOROTHY BATINE, Llanwnnwr, M. WILLIAMS' > niece, Cwmgloyne. > > DEATH NOTICES. > > Journal May 28th 1847. > > St. Martins' Haverfordwest, FRANCIS BATINE esq, aged 68, officer in the > India Army. > > June 4th 1847. > > At Haverfordwest, Captain BATINE, aged 73. > > March 5th 1855. > > THOMAS BATINE at Llanwnnwr, near Fishguard aged 84. > > John Patrick > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear John, May I also send my thanks to you, this is all so overwhelming and amazing for me.Maybe it should be made into an old costume Drama, wouldn't that be fun, as Bettye said " The BATINE Story " I am like an excited schoolgirl again :0) Off to bed now, Good Night all, Regards, Carol > From: lki59595@bigpond.net.au > To: griffiths780@btinternet.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:55:43 +1100 > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BATINE/CAMBRIAN NEWS. > > Dear John, > > What you have sent is a marvellous addition to the Batine story......I have > corresponding information which I have not yet had time to put together for > Carol and the Dyflist. > > I have bought Cambrian information in the past from Glamorgan, but I don't > need it on this occasion. > Many thanks for your help. > > Bettye Kirkwood. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J GRIFFITHS" <griffiths780@btinternet.com> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:28 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] BATINE/CAMBRIAN NEWS. > > >> The full details can be got from Neath Library, they have the papers on >> fiche, they will print them off for you for a small fee.? >> >> I'm unable to climb the stairs to the library, if I could I would get >> them. So is there an able bodied member in the Neath area who would be >> willing to do it.? >> >> MARRIAGES. >> >> Journal date 22.Jan. 1820. >> >> Mr. THOMAS BATHA, of Deemshill, Milford to Miss BATINE, late of Barrat's >> Hill. >> >> Journal date 5th Nov. 1842. >> >> JOHN CLEMENT, Shrewsbury, to ANNIE DOROTHY BATINE, Llanwnnwr, M. WILLIAMS' >> niece, Cwmgloyne. >> >> DEATH NOTICES. >> >> Journal May 28th 1847. >> >> St. Martins' Haverfordwest, FRANCIS BATINE esq, aged 68, officer in the >> India Army. >> >> June 4th 1847. >> >> At Haverfordwest, Captain BATINE, aged 73. >> >> March 5th 1855. >> >> THOMAS BATINE at Llanwnnwr, near Fishguard aged 84. >> >> John Patrick >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Dear Carol, I know names evolved....and I know scribes (and a certain degree of illiteracy) are thought responsible for different surname spellings in the various Welsh records. I also know that (I think it was) Erasmus of the Picton Castle line who decreed that he and his close relatives would be forthwith known as PHILIPPS ..to distance them from the hoi poloi...No common double l's for him! Too bad about all the PHILLIPs who had gone before him. Yesterday I wrote down all the various spellings and the marriage details of the various early Battin/Batins/Batine folks I could find ...and wondered if William Batine of Barratt's Hill had, like the Picton Castle Philipps, decided on his own surname spelling.....perhaps it was just that his generation was better educated than those who went before. Today I have filled in some details. Bingo! This afternoon I looked at the Will for THOMAS BATTIN of Walwyn's Castle, proved 1785. I only skimmed through....your eyesight is probably better than mine and I'm sure you will want to look at it yourself.....but his wife Elizabeth received 10 pounds and another 20 pounds yearly....and there was something else about the sum 500 pounds relating to her.. He left 100 pounds to his granddaughter, Mary Andrew, Spinster, Thomas Levett son of Nathaniel Levett was to receive 50 pounds and the rest of course went to "MY SON WILLIAM BATTIN OF BARRETTS HILL". William BATTIN is described as a Gentleman and mention is also made of Thomas's sons-in-law Nathaniel Levett of Steynton, William Moore of Walwyn's Castle and William Thomas of Monacton So William Batine named his own son Thomas after his father, Thomas Battin who was himself a man of some wealth, but who signed his name with a cross. The POSSIBLE ancestors/relatives. Under Thornton House Major Jones noted that "in 1623 David Batin, yeoman, is of Thornton. Francis Andrew. described as 'gent' whose father was a farmer, lived at Thornton and his family was succeeded by the Crymes family". David may fit into the family pedigree, and Francis Andrew may be an ancestor of Thomas Battin's granddaughter.......something for you to follow up. A JOHN BATTIN 1694/95 married Grace Jenkins at Steynton......in 1675/76 a Jenet Jenkins married Robert Roch at Steynton and there are quite a few other Jenkins marriages listed as taking place in Steynton over the next fifty years or so. A BRIGETT BATIN 1688/89 at Steynton married William Butterfield. There is a Will for a John Butterfield proved at St. Issells but not until 1794. A MARGARET BATIN in 1748 married John Sayse at Steynton. There is a Will for John Says at Burton in 1766 but may not be the same person. A MARY BATIN in 1765 at Steynton married THOMAS GRIFFITH. Thomas Battin of Walwyn's Castle.....his daughters. Mary Batin in 1762 at Steynton married William Andrew. There does not seem to be a Will for William Andrew. but there are various Andrew Wills. Mary Andrew Steynton 1726; William Andrew, Steynton 1697 who might be William's father; Elizabeth Andrew, Steynton 1744, Francis Andre Steynton 1770; Francis Andrew, Thornton........note that the house name is given instead of Steynton in the index...proved 1794. Thomas Batin's Will indicated that they had a spinster daughter, Mary Andrew in 1785. Anne Batine in 1756 at Steynton married Nathaniel Levett. There is a Will for Nathaniel 1838...I think it states that he was a Clerk.....I presume a minister of religion, but nothing else indicates this. Anne's father's Will indicated they had a son named Thomas. In 1786 Land Tax for Steynton Nathaniel is at Castle Pill, Owner Sir William Hamilton....and ditto for the Mill with a different Landlord. There are several other Levett Wills. Margaret Batine married William Thomas at Steynton 1766. I believe her father's Will indicated he was living at Mouncton which is probably Monkton or Mounton. Elizabeth BATINS at Steynton in 1770 married William Moore. There is a Will proved at Walwyn's Castle in 1796 which may be his.. Griffiths of Llanwnda Disappointingly Llanwnda marriage records exist for 1685 and there are none then until 1777 to 1812. Thomas Griffith of Llanwnwr, Llanwnda was said in the Stonehall article to be 68 when he died in 1808, wife Martha died 1796 aged 61, i.e. born 1735. This gives him a birth year of 1740 and would qualify them to marry some time in the missing years. I toyed with the idea that he might be the Thomas Griffith who married Mary Batin at Steynton in 1765, but then Martha would have to be a second wife ...and nothing indicates that. Major Jones wrote of Llanwnwr "By 1659 Elizabeth Griffith, widow, and her son John Griffith were living at Llanwnwr when John Vaughan of Jordanston granted properties in the parishes of Jordanston and St. Nicholas to them. There is a Llanwnda proven Will for a John Griffith in the year 1715 which mentions his sisters Anne, Elizabeth and Margaret and a nephew ...possibly Phillip or someone Phillip. Value of his estate was 15 pounds 10 shillings and it was appraised by John Thomas and John David. I hope Myra can help us identify who these Griffiths actually were. Steynton. >From the random Land Tax entries I have it was interesting to see William Batine was an Assessor in 1786 as was T. Morrice, one of his executors. George Phelps and Nathaniel Levett were Collectors. I noted that William Parsell is at Barrett's Hill by 1830.......and I had a quick skim through the Will of Thomas Morrice of Walwyn's Castle proved in 1825 who mentions William Parsell in his Will. Thomas Morrice's wife's name appears to have been Martha....and according to the LT records he was at Thornton, Steynton at one stage and was landlord of part of it, but Miss Moore and her sister owned some, as did Mr. Phelps. For all the Peregrine seekers....THOMAS PEREGRINE Offe St. Off. (whatever that means) 5 pounds....was the last name shown before the Assessors and Collectors in the 1786 Steynton Land Tax record. It would be so nice if someone could recognise one of the family lines as theirs, and fill us in further......but Carol I am sure you will want to look at the various Wills...and then tell us all of your findings. That's all for tonight. Bettye Kirkwood. Major Jones wrote under "Thornton House" Steynton" that in 1623 a David Batin, Yeoman

Dear Yvonne, I have a spare Peregine who was a witness to my 4x Great Grandfather's 2nd marriage. If the details are helpful, I don't know, but thought it was worth sharing with you as one never knows. The details are as follow. July 15th 1848 Rees Rees of full age ( his age would have been abt 58 yrs old) widower Mason Cwmdegwell St Dogmells father John Rees Farmer married Mary Phillips of full age St Dogmells father Thomas Jenkins Farmer. Rees Rees signed, mark of Mary Phillips. Witnesses David James Pergwine & Martha Jenkins. Married at Pen-y-bryn Baptist Chapel Bridell, Pembrokeshire. My research has shown that Mary Jenkins was born "Dolesidan", Llangoedmor. Found at the NLW (Deeds and Manuscripts) 11th Oct 1853 Rees Rees mason St Dogmells , agreement to let for 2 lives a farm called Dolshiddan, Llangoedmor. annual rent £9. 4 Dec 1834 John Phillips Cardigan married Mary Jenkins Llangoedmor. The 1841 census St Dogmells, show Mary Phillips 25 married not born, children John 5 not born, Thomas 2 not born and David 1 day yes born. Rees Rees was a member of Blaenywaun Chapel St Dogmells, and expelled on numerous occasions. A birth certificate was advertised in the Dyfed journal, which happened to be the birth of a child to the above Rees Rees and Mary Rees.(thank you to the Dyfed FHS, and the person who donated the certificate) Child James Rees was born 12 Jan 1849 St Dogmells. If this had any bearing why a marriage took place at Pen y bryn, Bridell? I can only presume that the witnesses Martha Jenkins may have been a relation to the bride Mary Jenkins Phillips Rees, what connection if any David James Pergwine had with the Bride and Groom I don't know. The censuses do not confirm which David is the correct one, due to not having age or place of birth. Regards Jane Muehsam I have ancestors with French sounding name who have > > been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is > > Peregrine.I > > am still trying to sort it out! > > Best wishes > > Yvonne Evans > Yvonne I am aware of the Pergrine surname in Pembrokeshire from at least the 18th through 20th century. Email me direct with details and I will try to help. Rgds Owen V. ORIEL a welsh window on a surname No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2662 - Release Date: 02/01/10 20:37:00

Hi Vera, I have a Margaret DEVEREAUX who married George THOMAS in Marloes 11 Nov 1817. Both George and Margaret were born about 1791. They had (as far as I know) three children William (1810), Thomas (1820) and Catharine (1825). Living with them in the 1841 Census was Martha Devereaux (transcribed as Devorax, which is what it looks like, on FindMyPast) aged 95 years. I am presuming at the moment that this is Margaret's mother. Could this be the Martha REES mentioned below as having married Owen Devereux in 1767? This is all the information I have on the DEVEREAUX family. I notice you have spelt the name without the "a". The marriage entry in the Parish Register has spelt it with the "a" hence my spelling of it. I am descended from George and Margaret's son, Thomas, who married Maria THOMAS, daughter of Henry THOMAS and Keturah VAUGHAN of The Fold Farm, Marloes. This was Thomas's second marriage. He was first married to Maria's sister, Elizabeth!. Sounds complicated I know!! Gwen Fitch in a not so sunny at the moment Bermuda. On Feb 2, 2010, at 12:20 PM, vera lowe wrote: > Listers, > I would like to know if anyone is interested in Marloes parish in > the 18th.c > particularly concerning two brothers, (I think), Owen and Francis > Devereux, > married respectively in 1767 and 1768 to Martha Rees and Mary Thomas. > Francis is my direct ancestor, grandfather of John Devereux of Dale. > Are > there parish records? If so, where are they now? This is as far back > as I > have gone with this family and I would much appreciate help to > discover > their parents and any other relatives and descendants. > Thank you, > Vera > > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Western Mail Monday May 31st, 1926. A terrible motor smash occurred between midnight and one o'clock this morning at Caerwent, in which a Newport man was killed and the driver of the car so seriously injured that he is not expected to recover. The car was on hire from the garage of Mr. Arthur BURLEIGH, Shaftsesbury-street, and, with an another car, was bringing a party back to Newport from Chepstow. When passing through Caerwent, eleven miles from Newport, the car driven by a chauffeur named HENDY, of Portland-street, Newport, appears to have swerved and to have crashed into a stay supporting a telegraph post. The driver and the party of three in the car were thrown out on to the road as the car overturned, and one of the passengers, whose home is in Capel-crescent, Newport was killed instantly. HENDY received considerable injuries to head and both legs were broken. Inquest into the death of Mr. Arthur HENTON, solicitor, Bridgend was a lengthy one (I will give details of names involved). The coroner at Bridgend was Mr. David REES. Evidence of identification by Mr. John DAVIES, Graig House, Aberdare, who said Mr. HENTON was his brother-in-law, who had been ill-health. Mr. J. Thomas DAVIES, chief clerk to Mr. HENTON, said he had been in his employ for years and eight months. Mr. HENTON, was found with his throat cut. Dr. JEFFREY was sent for. Verdict of "Suicide during temporary insanity" was recorded. There was an alarming accident which resulted in the death of one man at Bracelet Bay, Mumbles, shortly after midnight on Saturday, when a heavy lorry with six or seven persons in it plunged over the edge of the road down the embankment on to the grass below. Screams and shouts of the frightened occupants speedily attracted attention, and Sergeant DAVIES, of the Mumbles police, was soon on the scene. He discovered that one of the occupants of the lorry, Arthur John EVANS (26), collier, of 1, Market-street, Morriston, was pinned underneath. The man was terribly injured and must have had died almost immediately. Other members of the party had escaped in a remarkable manner, at the expense of slight injuries and shock. All were taken to a Mumbles hotel for the night. No details are yet available of a motor accident that occurred at Singapore which resulted in the death on May 24 of Mr. Henry William KERNICK. Mr. KERNICK was the husband of Mrs. Constance KERNICK, who resides at Harbour House, Porthcawl, and who is a daughter of Mr. W.T. BEAVAN, J.P., coal factor, Cardiff, and a grandaughter of the late Alderman F.J. BEAVAN, J.P. The late Mr. KERNICK was an engineer, and after the war went out to Singapore to undertake engineering work. He had also served as a lieutenant in the Royal Engineers, and was awarded the Military Cross. He was the son of the Rev. J. KERNICK, a former minister at Conway-road Wesleyan Chapel, Cardiff. Welsh Winners at Bath and West Show. Butter-making by men and women, also Champion butter-making, for first and second prize-winners at this or any show of the society. 1st, Miss J. JAMES, Port Talbot. When carrying newspapers in a car during the strike Robert DUNCAN, of Somerfield-place, Neath, was run into by another car, and his vehicle received damage estimates at £8 to £10. The result was that Percy Hopkin WILLIAMS, Cwmantgoch, Glamorgan, was charged at Llandilo on Saturday with driving his motor-car in a dangerous manner. Evidence was given that DUNCAN was returning from Llandilo towards Ammanford when the defendant dashed between his car and two pedestrians, swept one of the men aside, and struck DUNCAN'S car. He went on without stopping, but DUNCAN went after him, caught him up, took his number, and reported the matter to the police. He had to go at 40 miles an hour to catch defendant. Defendant was fined £6.1s.2d., including costs. William GRIFFITHS 47, a miner, of 77, Primrose-street, Tonypandy, was knocked down by a motor-car at Penllyn, Cowbridge, on Saturday, and sustained multiple injuries. He was removed to the Cardiff Royal Infirmary. While walking in Newport-road, Cardiff, on Saturday, Mrs. Elizabeth EVANS (57), of 32, Stacy-road, Cardiff, was knocked down by a motor-car, and later admitted to the Cardiff Royal Infirmary suffering with a fractured leg. Mr. D. PETERS, jun., of Tongwynlais, whilst riding his motor-cycle at Whitchurch in the direction of Cardiff, came into collision with a motor-van at the Library cross roads, and received a cut on the head. After medical attention he was able to proceed home. John Patrick t

Listers, I would like to know if anyone is interested in Marloes parish in the 18th.c particularly concerning two brothers, (I think), Owen and Francis Devereux, married respectively in 1767 and 1768 to Martha Rees and Mary Thomas. Francis is my direct ancestor, grandfather of John Devereux of Dale. Are there parish records? If so, where are they now? This is as far back as I have gone with this family and I would much appreciate help to discover their parents and any other relatives and descendants. Thank you, Vera

Hi Jane, Many thanks for your interest. It is very possible that David Peregrine was a work mate of Rees Rees as the Peregrine males generally were very involved with masonry and building work. Rees Rees did not have to be a huge sinner to be thrown out of a Welsh Baptist Chapel or even an English Baptist! As I am sure you know the nonconformist chapels had a very strict code of what was moral, Being the father of an illegitimate child or having a pregnant bride was enough to be shown the door!! or maybe having a few pints too many! Thanks very much Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: <muehsam@virginbroadband.com.au> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:19 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Yvonne Evans ~ Pergines of Pembroke Dear Yvonne, I have a spare Peregine who was a witness to my 4x Great Grandfather's 2nd marriage. If the details are helpful, I don't know, but thought it was worth sharing with you as one never knows. The details are as follow. July 15th 1848 Rees Rees of full age ( his age would have been abt 58 yrs old) widower Mason Cwmdegwell St Dogmells father John Rees Farmer married Mary Phillips of full age St Dogmells father Thomas Jenkins Farmer. Rees Rees signed, mark of Mary Phillips. Witnesses David James Pergwine & Martha Jenkins. Married at Pen-y-bryn Baptist Chapel Bridell, Pembrokeshire. My research has shown that Mary Jenkins was born "Dolesidan", Llangoedmor. Found at the NLW (Deeds and Manuscripts) 11th Oct 1853 Rees Rees mason St Dogmells , agreement to let for 2 lives a farm called Dolshiddan, Llangoedmor. annual rent £9. 4 Dec 1834 John Phillips Cardigan married Mary Jenkins Llangoedmor. The 1841 census St Dogmells, show Mary Phillips 25 married not born, children John 5 not born, Thomas 2 not born and David 1 day yes born. Rees Rees was a member of Blaenywaun Chapel St Dogmells, and expelled on numerous occasions. A birth certificate was advertised in the Dyfed journal, which happened to be the birth of a child to the above Rees Rees and Mary Rees.(thank you to the Dyfed FHS, and the person who donated the certificate) Child James Rees was born 12 Jan 1849 St Dogmells. If this had any bearing why a marriage took place at Pen y bryn, Bridell? I can only presume that the witnesses Martha Jenkins may have been a relation to the bride Mary Jenkins Phillips Rees, what connection if any David James Pergwine had with the Bride and Groom I don't know. The censuses do not confirm which David is the correct one, due to not having age or place of birth. Regards Jane Muehsam I have ancestors with French sounding name who have > > been in Pembs and South Cards since around 1700. That surname is > > Peregrine.I > > am still trying to sort it out! > > Best wishes > > Yvonne Evans > Yvonne I am aware of the Pergrine surname in Pembrokeshire from at least the 18th through 20th century. Email me direct with details and I will try to help. Rgds Owen V. ORIEL a welsh window on a surname No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2662 - Release Date: 02/01/10 20:37:00 ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message