This BBC Wales page below has some data although still not obvious when discrimination actually started. http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/history/sites/themes/society/women_teaching.shtml Extract; <Until the Sex Disqualification Removal Act was passed in 1919, no married women were allowed to work as teachers. The act should, in theory, have meant greater equality for women entering the profession, but in the 1920s, working women were frowned upon as there were so many men on the dole. The authorities used 'marriage bars' to prevent married women working as teachers. This rule meant that if a woman teacher married, she had to resign from her job; if she was already married, she was sacked. In July 1922, Rhondda Education Authority got rid of 63 married women teachers. The teachers took the authority to court, but they lost their case. Some women found a way around the marriage bars by marrying in secret and then living apart from their husband, or by having a very long engagement. Marriage bars in teaching weren't lifted until 1944.> Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Morgan Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:53 PM To: Dyfed FamHist Subject: Re: [Dyfed] 1881 Census Hello Peter We are talking about a time where things were very differnt in comparison to today's way of doing thing. You didn't have to be registered by any governing body for example. Both mother and grandmother were down in past Census as being schoolmistresses, so I presume that they were still practicing their professions. Another interesting snippet is that according to family legand one of the descendants married beneath their station and emigrated in order to marry. Could that relative have been related to the Orielton estate I wonder. The couple who married on landing in their new country with the story attached, appear to have been of equal status. Gareth --- On Fri, 17/2/12, Peter <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Gareth, I was under the impression (possibly wrongly!) that upon marriage female schoolteachers (and nurses) had to resign their posts. It would be interesting to know if the mother and grandmother mentioned above carried on their profession after marriage, or were they schoolteachers up until their marriage.

Hello Peter We are talking about a time where things were very differnt in comparison to today's way of doing thing. You didn't have to be registered by any governing body for example. Both mother and grandmother were down in past Census as being schoolmistresses, so I presume that they were still practicing their professions. Another interesting snippet is that according to family legand one of the descendants married beneath their station and emigrated in order to marry. Could that relative have been related to the Orielton estate I wonder. The couple who married on landing in their new country with the story attached, appear to have been of equal status. Gareth --- On Fri, 17/2/12, Peter <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Gareth, I was under the impression (possibly wrongly!) that upon marriage female schoolteachers (and nurses) had to resign their posts. It would be interesting to know if the mother and grandmother mentioned above carried on their profession after marriage, or were they schoolteachers up until their marriage.

On 16/02/2012 01:02, Gareth Morgan wrote: > Hello John > > Their younger brother went to Australia. Could other members of the family have gone out to? > > As for having to give up schoolmistressing, her gran and her mother were both schoolmistresses, so I can't see her retiring completely upon getting married. > > Hi Gareth, I was under the impression (possibly wrongly!) that upon marriage female schoolteachers (and nurses) had to resign their posts. It would be interesting to know if the mother and grandmother mentioned above carried on their profession after marriage, or were they schoolteachers up until their marriage. Peter Swansea

Thanks, Lynne and Brian I have the later history of Rebecca in Carmarthen, but don't have access to any birth/baptism registers for Haverforwest which would cover her possible birth date of c1797. I checked out the non-Conformist registered birth and it was a Quaker record covering Herefordshire, Worcestershire, and Wales, but referred to a Rebecca Smith birth in Stourbridge. Gwyneth

Sorry that didn't work out, Gwyneth. If Rebecca was from a Quaker family, I don't think you'll find a baptismal record as they don't baptize. I don't know how they recorded births. Maybe someone on the mail list is more knowledgeable. If from a non-Quaker family and if her baptism is recorded in parish records, I would suggest you keep checking FamilySearch as I think they are currently transcribing and indexing other baptismal records for Wales. There is at least one other person researching Rebecca Smith Puddicombe on Ancestry.com: Arbre généalogique de VAN EYCK Have you contacted them? Lynne -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Guy Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] CMN Llangunnor PEM Haverfordwest SMITH and PUDDICOMBE1800s Thanks, Lynne and Brian I have the later history of Rebecca in Carmarthen, but don't have access to any birth/baptism registers for Haverforwest which would cover her possible birth date of c1797. I checked out the non-Conformist registered birth and it was a Quaker record covering Herefordshire, Worcestershire, and Wales, but referred to a Rebecca Smith birth in Stourbridge. Gwyneth ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Brain (Swann) Sorry Brian I saw the name and automatically thought of you. Thank you and also thank you to the other Brian. Best Wishes Sylvia Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Brian P. Swann [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 16 February 2012 21:30 To: 'Sylvia Birch'; 'Brian'; '[DYFED] ' Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Llanreath Hi Sylvia Just to make clear - this is a different Brian! But I endorse everything he has said - just in case you thought it was me. For the rest of the list - I did visit Sylvia's home about 3 years ago and saw the original volumes of the 1857 sale catalogue on which her CD is based. Brian No map co-ordinates provided -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sylvia Birch Sent: 16 February 2012 19:45 To: 'Brian'; '[DYFED] ' Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Llanreath Dear Brian and All Yes Brian thank you for mentioning the Orielton Estate CD. As you know Brian, I own a copy of the original 1857 sale papers and maps. The details especially of the farms are quite something, even mentioning which animals where housed where and the wallpaper in the rooms. All tenants are named, together with ages and rents paid. Should anyone be interested in a CD you can contact me direct. Best Wishes Sylvia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: 16 February 2012 08:22 To: [DYFED] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Llanreath Lynne, The Orielton Estates comprised over 11,000 acres of Pembrokeshire, including farms, mills, coal mines and quarries, hotels, inns and public houses, shops, cottages etc. As well as the principal mansion, Orielton House (now a field studies centre), several other capital properties and associated holdings were included in the portfolio, eg. Landshipping House (together with the infamous Landshipping Colliery). The family also had property interests in London and elsewhere and, although doubtless miffed at their somewhat reduced circumstances, must have retained some of their contacts amongst the higher echelons of society while managing to scrape a fairly decent lifestyle. In fact, Sir John's elder son and heir, Hugh Owen Owen, served as an ADC to Queen Victoria, which rather amuses me, as one of his gg grandsons presently works as a guide at Buckingham Palace and The Queen's Gallery. As you may imagine, the schedule of sale was in itself a considerable tome. The content has been put on CD and is available through www.cenquest.co.uk. Each and every property and business is individually listed, together with their value and the names and, in many cases, the age of tenants and terms of their tenure. The document includes several maps which show the areas defined within the schedule. Regards Brian 50°44.6" N 04°00.6" W

Hi List, My experienced of the Gent storey in my family is as follows. Hugh Thomas born 1790 in the 1841 Census is a Blacksmith he Later in 1861 became a "Gent" I presume when he retired or became a non working partner in the business and lived off his savings. His brother Edward was a servant when he went to work on a farm at 16 and when he rented his own farm became a "Yeoman Famer" if he had lived long enough to retire he would of become a Gent. Thus some "Gents" were not necessary born as Gents, some of course may well have been able to live without "working" all their lives. There have been considerable discussions on this matter on this list I am talking abt 1840's onwards I think in may well have had more significant status in society in the 16th and 17th centuries. All the best, DAvid Thomas Message Received: Feb 16 2012, 10:26 AM From: "Megan Roberts" To: "Dyfdd List" Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] Apprentices This is not related to Dyfdd, but I hope the list won't mind. In the Ancestry data set "UK, Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures, 1710-1811" there is an entry in 1735 for Joseph Mahoon of St Martins in the Fields taking an apprentice John son of John Moore of ................. Gent. > >Am I wrong to be surprised to see the son of a "Gent" being apprenticed? Thanks Megan ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

These are nonconformist registers - equivalent to Classes RG 4 and RG 8 held at the TNA. These are the two major Classes at the TNA that cover nonconformist registers surrendered in 1837 with the commencement of civil registration. RG 9 is the 1861 Census, RG 6 are the Quaker registers, etc. Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne Ingalls Sent: 17 February 2012 00:10 To: Gwyneth Guy; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] CMN Llangunnor PEM Haverfordwest SMITH and PUDDICOMBE1800s Gwyneth - Rebecca Puddicombe is listed on the 1851 census in St. Peter's parish, Carmarthenshire. She is living with her son-in-law Thomas Bright. Her name has been indexed as "Biddlecombe" on the census. Rebecca is a widow, 54, grocer, born at Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire. When looking thru the baptisms registered at St. Martin, Haverfordwest, I find a Ths. and Ann Smith who had a daughter Rebecca baptized (indexed as Rebecca Thomas using patronymics) on 09 Aug 1812. As this date is too late to be your Rebecca, it might be that Thomas was a brother of Rebecca and named his daughter after her. Remember that the ages on the 1841 census are rounded down to the nearest 5th, so Rebecca could have been 40-44 and born later than 1797 although her age in 1851 indicates not. On FamilySearch is an England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Index (RG4-8) that shows Rebecca Smith born 25 Jun 1797, Herefordshire, Worcester & Wales to the parents: Charles and Rebecca Smith. I do not know what the RG4-8 means on the index, and I do not know why Herefordshire, Worcester, and Wales are grouped together. I suggest you do a lookup on FamilySearch to see if you can find an explanation. Happy hunting, Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Guy Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] CMN Llangunnor PEM Haverfordwest SMITH and PUDDICOMBE 1800s >From the 1841 census: living at Beaulieu Fawr, Coedgain, Llangunnor, >(Carmarthen/Llangendeirne reg district) I have Thomas Smith aged 60+ >and Rebecca Puddicombe aged 40+, neither of them born in the county. I know that Rebecca was a Smith before she married James Puddicombe in Haverfordwest in 1818, so Thomas is most likely some relation, but what? Does anyone have information on Rebecca Smith born c1797 in Haverfordwest, or this Thomas Smith, or could possibly do a lookup for me? I know the later history of Rebecca in Carmarthen; it is her birth and parentage I am trying to establish. Many thanks, Gwyneth ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sylvia Just to make clear - this is a different Brian! But I endorse everything he has said - just in case you thought it was me. For the rest of the list - I did visit Sylvia's home about 3 years ago and saw the original volumes of the 1857 sale catalogue on which her CD is based. Brian No map co-ordinates provided -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sylvia Birch Sent: 16 February 2012 19:45 To: 'Brian'; '[DYFED] ' Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Llanreath Dear Brian and All Yes Brian thank you for mentioning the Orielton Estate CD. As you know Brian, I own a copy of the original 1857 sale papers and maps. The details especially of the farms are quite something, even mentioning which animals where housed where and the wallpaper in the rooms. All tenants are named, together with ages and rents paid. Should anyone be interested in a CD you can contact me direct. Best Wishes Sylvia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: 16 February 2012 08:22 To: [DYFED] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Llanreath Lynne, The Orielton Estates comprised over 11,000 acres of Pembrokeshire, including farms, mills, coal mines and quarries, hotels, inns and public houses, shops, cottages etc. As well as the principal mansion, Orielton House (now a field studies centre), several other capital properties and associated holdings were included in the portfolio, eg. Landshipping House (together with the infamous Landshipping Colliery). The family also had property interests in London and elsewhere and, although doubtless miffed at their somewhat reduced circumstances, must have retained some of their contacts amongst the higher echelons of society while managing to scrape a fairly decent lifestyle. In fact, Sir John's elder son and heir, Hugh Owen Owen, served as an ADC to Queen Victoria, which rather amuses me, as one of his gg grandsons presently works as a guide at Buckingham Palace and The Queen's Gallery. As you may imagine, the schedule of sale was in itself a considerable tome. The content has been put on CD and is available through www.cenquest.co.uk. Each and every property and business is individually listed, together with their value and the names and, in many cases, the age of tenants and terms of their tenure. The document includes several maps which show the areas defined within the schedule. Regards Brian 50°44.6" N 04°00.6" W

>From the 1841 census: living at Beaulieu Fawr, Coedgain, Llangunnor, (Carmarthen/Llangendeirne reg district) I have Thomas Smith aged 60+ and Rebecca Puddicombe aged 40+, neither of them born in the county. I know that Rebecca was a Smith before she married James Puddicombe in Haverfordwest in 1818, so Thomas is most likely some relation, but what? Does anyone have information on Rebecca Smith born c1797 in Haverfordwest, or this Thomas Smith, or could possibly do a lookup for me? I know the later history of Rebecca in Carmarthen; it is her birth and parentage I am trying to establish. Many thanks, Gwyneth

Of course that should read Orielton Estate 1856 CD not 1857 sorry. Best Wishes Sylvia Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sylvia Birch Sent: 16 February 2012 19:45 To: 'Brian'; '[DYFED] ' Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Llanreath Dear Brian and All Yes Brian thank you for mentioning the Orielton Estate CD. As you know Brian, I own a copy of the original 1857 sale papers and maps. The details especially of the farms are quite something, even mentioning which animals where housed where and the wallpaper in the rooms. All tenants are named, together with ages and rents paid. Should anyone be interested in a CD you can contact me direct. Best Wishes Sylvia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: 16 February 2012 08:22 To: [DYFED] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Llanreath Lynne, The Orielton Estates comprised over 11,000 acres of Pembrokeshire, including farms, mills, coal mines and quarries, hotels, inns and public houses, shops, cottages etc. As well as the principal mansion, Orielton House (now a field studies centre), several other capital properties and associated holdings were included in the portfolio, eg. Landshipping House (together with the infamous Landshipping Colliery). The family also had property interests in London and elsewhere and, although doubtless miffed at their somewhat reduced circumstances, must have retained some of their contacts amongst the higher echelons of society while managing to scrape a fairly decent lifestyle. In fact, Sir John's elder son and heir, Hugh Owen Owen, served as an ADC to Queen Victoria, which rather amuses me, as one of his gg grandsons presently works as a guide at Buckingham Palace and The Queen's Gallery. As you may imagine, the schedule of sale was in itself a considerable tome. The content has been put on CD and is available through www.cenquest.co.uk. Each and every property and business is individually listed, together with their value and the names and, in many cases, the age of tenants and terms of their tenure. The document includes several maps which show the areas defined within the schedule. Regards Brian 50°44.6" N 04°00.6" W On 15 Feb 2012, at 23:23, Lynne Ingalls wrote: > Brian - that is utterly fascinating that you found this document. Are there others for the Orielton Estate sale? ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Brian and All Yes Brian thank you for mentioning the Orielton Estate CD. As you know Brian, I own a copy of the original 1857 sale papers and maps. The details especially of the farms are quite something, even mentioning which animals where housed where and the wallpaper in the rooms. All tenants are named, together with ages and rents paid. Should anyone be interested in a CD you can contact me direct. Best Wishes Sylvia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: 16 February 2012 08:22 To: [DYFED] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Llanreath Lynne, The Orielton Estates comprised over 11,000 acres of Pembrokeshire, including farms, mills, coal mines and quarries, hotels, inns and public houses, shops, cottages etc. As well as the principal mansion, Orielton House (now a field studies centre), several other capital properties and associated holdings were included in the portfolio, eg. Landshipping House (together with the infamous Landshipping Colliery). The family also had property interests in London and elsewhere and, although doubtless miffed at their somewhat reduced circumstances, must have retained some of their contacts amongst the higher echelons of society while managing to scrape a fairly decent lifestyle. In fact, Sir John's elder son and heir, Hugh Owen Owen, served as an ADC to Queen Victoria, which rather amuses me, as one of his gg grandsons presently works as a guide at Buckingham Palace and The Queen's Gallery. As you may imagine, the schedule of sale was in itself a considerable tome. The content has been put on CD and is available through www.cenquest.co.uk. Each and every property and business is individually listed, together with their value and the names and, in many cases, the age of tenants and terms of their tenure. The document includes several maps which show the areas defined within the schedule. Regards Brian 50°44.6" N 04°00.6" W On 15 Feb 2012, at 23:23, Lynne Ingalls wrote: > Brian - that is utterly fascinating that you found this document. Are there others for the Orielton Estate sale? ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Megan, I would suggest No. Most of the Landowning Classes engaged in Marriage Settlements, by which the settled estate devolved to the Eldest Son in Tail male. Younger son's had to make do with whatever their Father could provide. Eldest Son - Inherited Estate. 2nd Son - Purchased Commission in Armed Services. 3rd Son - Entered the Church. 4th and subsequent - Apprenticed in a trade. Many of these, became the business people of the 18th and 19th Centuries, and there are numerous references in Wills, that prove this to be the case. Achwr ======================================== Message Received: Feb 16 2012, 10:26 AM From: "Megan Roberts" To: "Dyfdd List" Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] Apprentices This is not related to Dyfdd, but I hope the list won't mind. In the Ancestry data set "UK, Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures, 1710-1811" there is an entry in 1735 for Joseph Mahoon of St Martins in the Fields taking an apprentice John son of John Moore of ................. Gent. > >Am I wrong to be surprised to see the son of a "Gent" being apprenticed? Thanks Megan ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

Gwyneth - Rebecca Puddicombe is listed on the 1851 census in St. Peter's parish, Carmarthenshire. She is living with her son-in-law Thomas Bright. Her name has been indexed as "Biddlecombe" on the census. Rebecca is a widow, 54, grocer, born at Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire. When looking thru the baptisms registered at St. Martin, Haverfordwest, I find a Ths. and Ann Smith who had a daughter Rebecca baptized (indexed as Rebecca Thomas using patronymics) on 09 Aug 1812. As this date is too late to be your Rebecca, it might be that Thomas was a brother of Rebecca and named his daughter after her. Remember that the ages on the 1841 census are rounded down to the nearest 5th, so Rebecca could have been 40-44 and born later than 1797 although her age in 1851 indicates not. On FamilySearch is an England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Index (RG4-8) that shows Rebecca Smith born 25 Jun 1797, Herefordshire, Worcester & Wales to the parents: Charles and Rebecca Smith. I do not know what the RG4-8 means on the index, and I do not know why Herefordshire, Worcester, and Wales are grouped together. I suggest you do a lookup on FamilySearch to see if you can find an explanation. Happy hunting, Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Guy Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] CMN Llangunnor PEM Haverfordwest SMITH and PUDDICOMBE 1800s >From the 1841 census: living at Beaulieu Fawr, Coedgain, Llangunnor, >(Carmarthen/Llangendeirne reg district) I have Thomas Smith aged 60+ and >Rebecca Puddicombe aged 40+, neither of them born in the county. I know that Rebecca was a Smith before she married James Puddicombe in Haverfordwest in 1818, so Thomas is most likely some relation, but what? Does anyone have information on Rebecca Smith born c1797 in Haverfordwest, or this Thomas Smith, or could possibly do a lookup for me? I know the later history of Rebecca in Carmarthen; it is her birth and parentage I am trying to establish. Many thanks, Gwyneth ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is not related to Dyfdd, but I hope the list won't mind.   In the Ancestry data set "UK, Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures, 1710-1811" there is an entry in 1735 for Joseph Mahoon of St Martins in the Fields taking an apprentice John son of John Moore of ................. Gent. > >Am I wrong to be surprised to see the son of a "Gent" being apprenticed? Thanks   Megan

Lynne, The Orielton Estates comprised over 11,000 acres of Pembrokeshire, including farms, mills, coal mines and quarries, hotels, inns and public houses, shops, cottages etc. As well as the principal mansion, Orielton House (now a field studies centre), several other capital properties and associated holdings were included in the portfolio, eg. Landshipping House (together with the infamous Landshipping Colliery). The family also had property interests in London and elsewhere and, although doubtless miffed at their somewhat reduced circumstances, must have retained some of their contacts amongst the higher echelons of society while managing to scrape a fairly decent lifestyle. In fact, Sir John's elder son and heir, Hugh Owen Owen, served as an ADC to Queen Victoria, which rather amuses me, as one of his gg grandsons presently works as a guide at Buckingham Palace and The Queen's Gallery. As you may imagine, the schedule of sale was in itself a considerable tome. The content has been put on CD and is available through www.cenquest.co.uk. Each and every property and business is individually listed, together with their value and the names and, in many cases, the age of tenants and terms of their tenure. The document includes several maps which show the areas defined within the schedule. Regards Brian 50°44.6" N 04°00.6" W On 15 Feb 2012, at 23:23, Lynne Ingalls wrote: > Brian - that is utterly fascinating that you found this document. Are there others for the Orielton Estate sale?

Hello John Their younger brother went to Australia. Could other members of the family have gone out to? As for having to give up schoolmistressing, her gran and her mother were both schoolmistresses, so I can't see her retiring completely upon getting married. Gareth --- On Wed, 15/2/12, John <[email protected]> wrote: Hi List, Could someone please check the 1881 census for a lodger at 1 Monkton Lane, Pembroke St Mary, Pembrokeshire, Wales.   Looking for RICHARDS,  Sarah/Sarah Jane/Sarah Mary.

Hi Lynne, Bearing in mind that the date of this data is 1856, names mentioned under the heading "Houses, Cottages, and Gardens at Llanrydd, part of Pennar" are as follows: David Price Ann Morgan now Miss Lloyd John Polkenhorne Copleston now John Davidson Elizabeth Shadrick J Sambells William Spriggs George Price now Norris William Davies William Thomas William Lloyd William Norris Details of land areas and their value forwarded off list. Hope this helps. Regards Brian 50°44.6" N 04°00.6" W On 15 Feb 2012, at 15:56, Lynne Ingalls wrote: > Brian - > > It certainly sounds possible that Llanrydd could be the same. I would love to have more information, if its no trouble. Good look with your scouring. > > Lynne in Tucson > > -----Original Message----- From: Brian > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:37 AM > To: [DYFED] > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Llanreath > > > Lynne > > At the time of the Orielton estates' sale in 1857, the auctioneer's Schedule of Sale included a small section for "Llanrydd, part of Pennar". > > Could this be your Llanreath? > > There is certainly a William Spriggs in this section, tenant at The Weary Travellers Beer Shop and possibly other matching names. > > I'm out most of today (scouring probate records in Exeter) but will see what else shows up later if it helps. > > Regards > > Brian > 50°44.6" N > 04°00.6" W > > > > > On 14 Feb 2012, at 17:44, Lynne Ingalls wrote: > >> Thank you everyone who responded to my query about the village of Llanreath. I e-mailed Nikki Bosworth at the Record Office, and she kindly responded with this information: >> >> Llanreath was a very small settlement in 1800, probably only 2 or 3 houses, in the parish of Pembroke St Mary. I would imagine that the families living there fished and farmed on a small scale and, possibly, built boats on the foreshore. It was not until the development of the Royal Dockyard in Pembroke Dock that the community developed. The Owen family of Orielton mansion owned the land and, from about 1816 onwards, leased the land as building plots to various tradesmen such as Peter Ford, shipwright, William Saunders, shipwright, Richard Rickard, mason, Joseph Sambells, shipwright, William Davies, labourer, William Lloyd, saddler, William Spriggs, carpenter, and James Norris, shipwright. On the tithe map for Pembroke St Mary circa 1840, there are a dozen or so houses at Llanreath. Llanreath was not individually identified on the Land Tax Assessments. >> >> >> >> Lynne in Tucson >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A reply to: yvonne evans To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012, 0:29 Subject: [Dyfed] Missing people from 1901 census UK Yvonne, Are you looking at an actual census page or an index of the census? In either instance, sometimes long ago, a script 'J' looked very much like a capital 'I' or even a capital 'S' Try looking at the image again with that in mind. Also try searching on just his first name as that is less common than Jones Anna

John/Gareth - Those listed at 1 Monkton Lane in 1881 are: Thomas Lewis, head, married, 27, coach builder, born at Loveston. Annie Lewis, wife, 22, born at Pembroke William John Lewis, son, 3, born at Pembroke Edith Mary Lewis, Daughter, 2 mos., born at Monkton. Sarah Mary Richards, lodger, unmarried, 19, dress maker, born at Orielton. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Morgan Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 6:02 PM To: Dyfed FamHist Subject: Re: [Dyfed] 1881 Census Hello John Their younger brother went to Australia. Could other members of the family have gone out to? As for having to give up schoolmistressing, her gran and her mother were both schoolmistresses, so I can't see her retiring completely upon getting married. Gareth --- On Wed, 15/2/12, John <[email protected]> wrote: Hi List, Could someone please check the 1881 census for a lodger at 1 Monkton Lane, Pembroke St Mary, Pembrokeshire, Wales. Looking for RICHARDS, Sarah/Sarah Jane/Sarah Mary. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message