Many thanks to all who replied to request for help - what a great response. Sadly, it looks like Griffith Morgan Davies's son, Griffith Maurice Davies may have divorced after only a year of marriage, and my hopes of there being any living descendants are low. The one resource in which it is tricky to find Griffith Morgan Davies is the 1930 census. When asked his surname, he gave a rather bizarre Welsh inspired patronymic surname with Anglo-Saxon influences. I could not find him on a full name search so eventually carried out a first name search only with birth year and place. This revealed a Griffith M Morrison of the correct age who was a US Army veteran of the both the Spanish American War and WW1. To cap it all, he also had a Norwegian born wife named Anna, 25 years his junior. Griffith was the son of Maurice Griffith Davies of Maesydderwen, Llandissilio, and it appears that for this census, he chose to use a surname derived from his father's first name. So, at least in some form the Welsh patronymic naming tradition was alive in 1930s California. Jonathan Pike -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Pike Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 10:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] Griffith Morgan Davies Hi All I wonder if someone with access to the American edition of Ancestry might be able to help me with a couple of look-ups. My grandfather’s uncle Griffith Morgan Davies was born at Llandissilio on the Pembrokeshire – Carmarthenshire border in 1866. He left for the USA in 1894, on board the “Teutonic” passing through Ellis Island on 29th March. His last contact with Wales was in 1898 when a legal document was sent by him from the Philippines. This was the time of the Spanish American War and Griffith was serving in the US Army. In 1910 he was he was in Alaska but by 1920 he was in Washington State, married to a Norwegian woman named Anna, 25 years his junior. He finally became a naturalised US citizen in 1919, the year he left the army. He died in 1938 and was buried at Fort Rosecrans National Cemetery in San Diego. His widow was buried by his side in 1974. Until yesterday I had believed him to be childless but taking advantage of the free access to the 1930 census, I found him in San Diego with a child named Griffith M., aged 1 year and 8 months old (born 1928). I would like to trace this child if possible. I would be grateful if someone could look up the following Ancestry records: 1) California Birth Index, 1905-1995 for Griffith Maurice Davies 2) California Marriage Index, 1960-1985 for marriage of Griffith M. Davies and Joyce V. Dinkins 3) Social Security Death Index for death of Griffith Davies, 2009, San Diego There are also a couple of references to a Griffith M. Davies in US Public Records Index. I am not sure which one this might be. It would be great if someone can help me here. Regards, Jonathan Pike ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, The state education of people in Wales was patchy and poor before the "Brad y llyfrae gleision" was published about 1860s. Before then a lot of education was given in Sunday Schools, Circulating Schools where the teacher went around usually in the quieter agriculteral months and taught for a short time before moving on. There were also, more often in the towns, very small schools run by an older person assisted very often by her daughter. They taught relatively rudimentary lessons in language, writing,arithmetic and possibly geography and history. Music and Art probably depended on the skill of the teacher. One of our family had a Boarding School at Painswick which employed only family members according to 1881 census In some places these little schools ran for many years and there was one in Neath in 1940's. They had no connection in any way to the state or church/chapel schools. I'm not surprised to see someone give the occupation of school mistress on the census. Married teachers were allowed in the state primary schools in the 1940's because I had many.They were not allowed to stay in the Grammar Schools once married and that I think would have been in the early 1940's, they moved to the primary school and taught me. Katherine

Jonathan - Perhaps Griffith M. Davies was not at home the day the census enumerator came to ask questions, and his wife answered the questions the best she could, saying "Maurice-son" as she may have said in Norway. Or maybe Griffith was hiding out. Interesting problem for you to work out. If he was a gardener on a military base near his home, maybe you can get the pay records to see what name he used at work. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Pike Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Griffith Morgan Davies Many thanks to all who replied to request for help - what a great response. Sadly, it looks like Griffith Morgan Davies's son, Griffith Maurice Davies may have divorced after only a year of marriage, and my hopes of there being any living descendants are low. The one resource in which it is tricky to find Griffith Morgan Davies is the 1930 census. When asked his surname, he gave a rather bizarre Welsh inspired patronymic surname with Anglo-Saxon influences. I could not find him on a full name search so eventually carried out a first name search only with birth year and place. This revealed a Griffith M Morrison of the correct age who was a US Army veteran of the both the Spanish American War and WW1. To cap it all, he also had a Norwegian born wife named Anna, 25 years his junior. Griffith was the son of Maurice Griffith Davies of Maesydderwen, Llandissilio, and it appears that for this census, he chose to use a surname derived from his father's first name. So, at least in some form the Welsh patronymic naming tradition was alive in 1930s California. Jonathan Pike

Achwr It is of course a fact of life that historical documents/books aren't always entirely accurate. I have no idea how the 1892 Southall linguistic map of Wales fares in this sense. I would hope that the serious researcher would also consult the other related books/articles listed on Genuki, the one by Brian John only relates to the landsker and has several diagrams. Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: yr achwr Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:26 AM To: Lynne Ingalls ; Gareth ; Dyfed Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Landsker map on Genuki Gareth, Lynne I instinct tells me that the Map is not 100% accurate. I doubt that there were 0% Welsh Speakers in the South of the County in 1892. The 1891 Census was the first that asked a question about the ability to speak Welsh. I have requested access to data, that shows the percentage of Welsh Speakers broken down by Parish. I should have access in the next few days, and will report back. The bulk of the population of Pembrokeshire, lived in South Pembs, rather than the Rural North, and the % speakers quoted for Pembrokeshire in 1891, do not appear to add up if there were no Welsh Speakers in Haverfordwest, Milford, Pembroke, Pembroke Dock and Narberth, and surrounding areas which were the major population centres, and together with the other Parishes below the Landsker accounted for 50% or more of the total County Population. Achwr

Hi Bill and Glenys Thanks for coming back to me . Firstly ,I can't believe that there was another Margaret born in 1812! I can't eliminate her either . I found the others in the transcribed records for Llanarth in the free reg site .The records transcribed were from 1813 onwards. Regarding the marriage ,the only marriage that the archivist could find for a Daniel and Margaret was for a Daniel Evans and Margaret Evans ,July 1832 in Llanarth church . She thought that there could have been a mistake . The birth certificate I have for one of her daughters has her maiden name as Jones . Neither could write to sign their names . Maybe they were nonconformists and were married in one of the chapels . Unfortunately the archives didn't have any of the nonconformist records for the area . However ,their first son David was baptised in the church in Cross Inn Llanllwchaearn in Oct.1832 but later on another son Evan was christened in the Independant chapel Pencae . They were both buried in another ind. chapel ,Capel y Wern .They were living closer to that chapel at the time of their death Regarding the names of their children ,all the male names mentioned as possible fathers for Margaret appear in Daniel and Margaret's children .The female names were Elizabeth ,Mary ,Margaret and Jane .Their first son David would probably have been named after Daniel's father .The archivist did find a Daniel born to a David and Margaret Evans in Llanarth in 1808 ,so he could be the one . Once again ,thanks for your help and interest regards, Buddug ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] jones llanarth > > Hi Buddug, > > Can I start by asking if you have information on the following? > > Abode given in the baptism register > Baptisms pre-1813 (are you eliminating the Margaret bapt in 1812?) > You do not list the bapt in Dec 1813 of Margaret dau of John & Mary > Jones, > Gafriw - is it a possible? > > I have an index (unchecked) to Llannarth & Llanina registers, but it does > not immediately identify any of your Margarets in the marriages. > Pre-1853 > there were no ages in the marriage register - everyone was 'ofa', which > is > a bit unhelpful. > > Regards > Bill G-J > > > > In a message dated 19/02/2012 11:14:43 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hello > Complete shot in the dark . > I have an almost impossible problem in trying to find the parents of a > Margaret Jones born c 1813 in the parish of Llanarth . As her age differs > from > census to census as well as on her death certificate ,it's not possible > to > pin down the exact year of birth . It's somewhere between 1813 and 1815 > .However ,I found 4 possibles in the free reg . > > Mgt christened Feb 1813 to William and Maria > Mgt chris .July 1813 to Lewis and Mary > Mgt chris. Sept 1814 to David and Mary > Mgt chris. October 1815 to Jenkin and Elizabeth. > > She married a Daniel Evans in 1832 . > I was wondering if there 's a possibility that a subscriber would have > any > of these Margarets in their tree so that I can elminate one or two as > being my ancestor ! > I've also given up on who Daniel's parents could be .He was born c 1806 > again in the Llanarth area !! > many thanks > Buddug Hollett > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Kay Have you searched the Community Trees section of the 'histfam' Familysearch' in the Welsh section? This is a link to a William Merrick which might fit your William? There is a 'ferch Meurig' in his ancestors? http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I208044&tree=Welsh Regards Michael and Penny Oram -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kay Hoover Has an extended genealogy been done on Meurig ap Llewlyn?  I have an immigrant, William Myrick/Merrick/etc, who is "supposed to be" a descendant of Meurig.  William was in America by the early 1630's..  I have a copy of a newspaper article stating the Massachusetts Meyrick's descended from Meurig came through the branch that went to Pembrokeshire from Gwynedd.  Article has no newspaper name or date.  Lewis Dwnn doesn't seem to have tracked my William's branch of the family.  Unfortunately the hundreds of Myrick postings on the internet quote each other verbatim and, according to Dwnn, those postings are not correct. 

Achwr et al I KNOW, as I am sure that others on the list do that there were Welsh speakers in South Pembrokeshire in 1892 (some of them were my ancestors!) - and they had moved there from from villages nearer the Landsker line but (as you suggest), seemingly on the wrong side of it! Which was, in part, the reason for my entering this discussion. I am trying to improve my Welsh at the moment which I began, partly, after I discovered a few years that my last aunt from Pembrokeshire had talked to a cousin of being beaten at school (in Pembroke Dock) for speaking Welsh (after which I gather my grandparents stopped speaking Welsh to their children). I have to admit that there are problems learning Welsh in Staffordshire - I am using an on-line course from Univ of Wales, Trinity St David (Lampeter). Marcus

Thanks, Gareth. I assume the problem lies in the term "native" Welsh speakers. Of course others from outside the southern part of Pembrokeshire could have moved in and spoken a number of languages other than English, but would they be considered "native?" As I haven't seen the rest of the book, I don't know when the map was made or what period it covered. It was published in 1892, but may have been a map from an earlier period. I like the map because it gives me a general idea of what people are talking about when they say, "Little England of Wales" or landsker. We have a similar situation in So. Ariz. There are many native speakers of various languages (Tohono O'odham, Spanish, Yaqui, etc.) in the area, and many live in distinct neighborhoods (on and off the reservations). If someone were looking for an ancestor from a particular neighborhood, we would be able to tell them which language group they were likely from. Not that a "native" English speaker couldn't be living amongst them, and vice versa. Its just a guide. Lynne -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:21 AM To: Dyfed Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Landsker map on Genuki Achwr It is of course a fact of life that historical documents/books aren't always entirely accurate. I have no idea how the 1892 Southall linguistic map of Wales fares in this sense. I would hope that the serious researcher would also consult the other related books/articles listed on Genuki, the one by Brian John only relates to the landsker and has several diagrams. Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: yr achwr Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:26 AM To: Lynne Ingalls ; Gareth ; Dyfed Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Landsker map on Genuki Gareth, Lynne I instinct tells me that the Map is not 100% accurate. I doubt that there were 0% Welsh Speakers in the South of the County in 1892. The 1891 Census was the first that asked a question about the ability to speak Welsh. I have requested access to data, that shows the percentage of Welsh Speakers broken down by Parish. I should have access in the next few days, and will report back. The bulk of the population of Pembrokeshire, lived in South Pembs, rather than the Rural North, and the % speakers quoted for Pembrokeshire in 1891, do not appear to add up if there were no Welsh Speakers in Haverfordwest, Milford, Pembroke, Pembroke Dock and Narberth, and surrounding areas which were the major population centres, and together with the other Parishes below the Landsker accounted for 50% or more of the total County Population. Achwr ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jonathan The 1940 Census should be out in April. Gareth

Gareth, Lynne I instinct tells me that the Map is not 100% accurate. I doubt that there were 0% Welsh Speakers in the South of the County in 1892. The 1891 Census was the first that asked a question about the ability to speak Welsh. I have requested access to data, that shows the percentage of Welsh Speakers broken down by Parish. I should have access in the next few days, and will report back. The bulk of the population of Pembrokeshire, lived in South Pembs, rather than the Rural North, and the % speakers quoted for Pembrokeshire in 1891, do not appear to add up if there were no Welsh Speakers in Haverfordwest, Milford, Pembroke, Pembroke Dock and Narberth, and surrounding areas which were the major population centres, and together with the other Parishes below the Landsker accounted for 50% or more of the total County Population. Achwr ======================================== Message Received: Feb 20 2012, 12:59 AM From: "Lynne Ingalls" To: "Gareth" , "Dyfed" Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Landsker map on Genuki I love this map, Vera and Gareth. Thanks so much. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:40 AM To: Dyfed Subject: [Dyfed] Landsker map on Genuki Vera Lowe has very kindly scanned the Pembrokeshire section of the map from the "Wales and her language" book by John Southall (1892). It can be viewed via the Genuki Pembrokeshire page's Language section http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/#Language Thank you very much Vera Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

Hi All I wonder if someone with access to the American edition of Ancestry might be able to help me with a couple of look-ups. My grandfather’s uncle Griffith Morgan Davies was born at Llandissilio on the Pembrokeshire – Carmarthenshire border in 1866. He left for the USA in 1894, on board the “Teutonic” passing through Ellis Island on 29th March. His last contact with Wales was in 1898 when a legal document was sent by him from the Philippines. This was the time of the Spanish American War and Griffith was serving in the US Army. In 1910 he was he was in Alaska but by 1920 he was in Washington State, married to a Norwegian woman named Anna, 25 years his junior. He finally became a naturalised US citizen in 1919, the year he left the army. He died in 1938 and was buried at Fort Rosecrans National Cemetery in San Diego. His widow was buried by his side in 1974. Until yesterday I had believed him to be childless but taking advantage of the free access to the 1930 census, I found him in San Diego with a child named Griffith M., aged 1 year and 8 months old (born 1928). I would like to trace this child if possible. I would be grateful if someone could look up the following Ancestry records: 1) California Birth Index, 1905-1995 for Griffith Maurice Davies 2) California Marriage Index, 1960-1985 for marriage of Griffith M. Davies and Joyce V. Dinkins 3) Social Security Death Index for death of Griffith Davies, 2009, San Diego There are also a couple of references to a Griffith M. Davies in US Public Records Index. I am not sure which one this might be. It would be great if someone can help me here. Regards, Jonathan Pike

Sending what I have <G> but for those in the UK (and other places) familysearch has most of this information, no census images after 1900 but indexes for them. Do you have the images of his naturalization docs? (I may or may not have family in this area of Wales but I am used to hunting Davises *G* in the US) Eliz Name: Griffith M Davis (in barracks) Age: 32 Birthplace: Wales Home in 1900: Cuartel de Eapana, Philippine Islands, Military and Naval Forces Race: White Immigration Year: 1894 Relation to Head of House: Private Occupation: View on Image Name: Griffith M Davies (in Barracks)[not wanting to swear to it but I think the note says construction party] Age in 1910: 43 [44] Birth Year: abt 1866 [1867] Birthplace: Wales Home in 1910: Hot Springs, Division 2, Alaska Territory Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1893 Relation to Head of House: Soldier Marital Status: Single Father's Birthplace: Wales Mother's Birthplace: Wales Neighbors: View others on page Name: Griffith M Davies [Griffith M Danser] [Griffith M Huner] Age: 52 Birth Year: abt 1868 Birthplace: Wales Home in 1920: Port Blakely, Kitsap, Washington Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1894 Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Annie D Davies Father's Birthplace: Wales Mother's Birthplace: Wales Home Owned: Rent Able to Read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Griffith M Davies 52 Annie D Davies 39 Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Port Blakely, Kitsap, Washington; Roll: T625_1932; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 66; Image: 66. California Marriage Index, 1960-1985 about Griffith M Davies Name: Griffith M Davies Age: 42 Est. Birth: abt 1928 Spouse Name: Joyce V Dinkins Spouse Age: 36 Date: 10 Nov 1970 Location: San Diego City California Divorce Index, 1966-1984 about Griffith M Davies Name: Griffith M Davies Spouse Name: Joyce V Carlton Location: San Diego City Date: Aug 1971 California Birth Index, 1905-1995 about Griffith Maurice Davies Name: Griffith Maurice Davies Birth Date: 31 Jul 1928 Gender: Male Mother's Maiden Name: Ellefseth Birth County: San Diego Social Security Death Index Name: Griffith Davies Last Residence: 92020 El Cajon, San Diego, California, United States of America Born: 31 Jul 1928 Died: 24 Apr 2009 State (Year) SSN issued: California (1952-1953) On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Jonathan Pike <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All > > I wonder if someone with access to the American edition of Ancestry might be able to help me with a couple of look-ups. > > My grandfather’s uncle Griffith Morgan Davies was born at Llandissilio on the Pembrokeshire – Carmarthenshire border in 1866. He left for the USA in 1894, on board the “Teutonic” passing through Ellis Island on 29th March. His last contact with Wales was in 1898 when a legal document was sent by him from the Philippines. This was the time of the Spanish American War and Griffith was serving in the US Army. In 1910 he was he was in Alaska but by 1920 he was in Washington State, married to a Norwegian woman named Anna, 25 years his junior. He finally became a naturalised US citizen in 1919, the year he left the army. He died in 1938 and was buried at Fort Rosecrans National Cemetery in San Diego. His widow was buried by his side in 1974. Until yesterday I had believed him to be childless but taking advantage of the free access to the 1930 census, I found him in San Diego with a child named Griffith M., aged 1 year and 8 months old (born 1928). I would like to trace this chil! d if possible. > > I would be grateful if someone could look up the following Ancestry records: > 1) California Birth Index, 1905-1995 for Griffith Maurice Davies > 2) California Marriage Index, 1960-1985 for marriage of Griffith M. Davies and Joyce V. Dinkins > 3) Social Security Death Index for death of Griffith Davies, 2009, San Diego > > There are also a couple of references to a Griffith M. Davies in US Public Records Index. I am not sure which one this might be. > > It would be great if someone can help me here. > > Regards, Jonathan Pike > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I love this map, Vera and Gareth. Thanks so much. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:40 AM To: Dyfed Subject: [Dyfed] Landsker map on Genuki Vera Lowe has very kindly scanned the Pembrokeshire section of the map from the "Wales and her language" book by John Southall (1892). It can be viewed via the Genuki Pembrokeshire page's Language section http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/#Language Thank you very much Vera Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jonathan - Here is the information you requested. I sent a copy of the marriage index to your e-mail address separately. California Birth Index, 1905-1995 about Griffith Maurice Davies Name: Griffith Maurice Davies Birth Date: 31 Jul 1928 Gender: Male Mother's Maiden Name: Ellefseth California Marriage Index, 1960-1985 about Griffith M Davies Name: Griffith M Davies Age: 42 Est. Birth: abt 1928 Spouse Name: Joyce V Dinkins Spouse Age: 36 Date: 10 Nov 1970 Location: San Diego City Social Security Death Index about Griffith Davies Name: Griffith Davies Last Residence: 92020 El Cajon, San Diego, California, United States of America Born: 31 Jul 1928 Died: 24 Apr 2009 State (Year) SSN issued: California (1952-1953) Birth County: San Diego U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2 about Griffith M Davies Name: Griffith M Davies Birth Date: 31 Jul 1928 Address: 151 Claydelle Ave # A5, El Cajon, CA, 92020-4505 U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2 about Griff M Davies Name: Griff M Davies Birth Date: 31 Jul 1928 Address: 13825 Los Coches Rd E Eas, El Cajon, CA, 92021-2042 Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Pike Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] Griffith Morgan Davies Hi All I wonder if someone with access to the American edition of Ancestry might be able to help me with a couple of look-ups. My grandfather’s uncle Griffith Morgan Davies was born at Llandissilio on the Pembrokeshire – Carmarthenshire border in 1866. He left for the USA in 1894, on board the “Teutonic” passing through Ellis Island on 29th March. His last contact with Wales was in 1898 when a legal document was sent by him from the Philippines. This was the time of the Spanish American War and Griffith was serving in the US Army. In 1910 he was he was in Alaska but by 1920 he was in Washington State, married to a Norwegian woman named Anna, 25 years his junior. He finally became a naturalised US citizen in 1919, the year he left the army. He died in 1938 and was buried at Fort Rosecrans National Cemetery in San Diego. His widow was buried by his side in 1974. Until yesterday I had believed him to be childless but taking advantage of the free access to the 1930 census, I found him in San Diego with a child named Griffith M., aged 1 year and 8 months old (born 1928). I would like to trace this child if possible. I would be grateful if someone could look up the following Ancestry records: 1) California Birth Index, 1905-1995 for Griffith Maurice Davies 2) California Marriage Index, 1960-1985 for marriage of Griffith M. Davies and Joyce V. Dinkins 3) Social Security Death Index for death of Griffith Davies, 2009, San Diego There are also a couple of references to a Griffith M. Davies in US Public Records Index. I am not sure which one this might be. It would be great if someone can help me here. Regards, Jonathan Pike ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jonathan, I also found this record: California Divorce Index, 1966-1984 about Griffith M Davies Name: Griffith M Davies Spouse Name: Joyce V Carlton Location: San Diego City Date: Aug 1971 -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Pike Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] Griffith Morgan Davies Hi All I wonder if someone with access to the American edition of Ancestry might be able to help me with a couple of look-ups. My grandfather’s uncle Griffith Morgan Davies was born at Llandissilio on the Pembrokeshire – Carmarthenshire border in 1866. He left for the USA in 1894, on board the “Teutonic” passing through Ellis Island on 29th March. His last contact with Wales was in 1898 when a legal document was sent by him from the Philippines. This was the time of the Spanish American War and Griffith was serving in the US Army. In 1910 he was he was in Alaska but by 1920 he was in Washington State, married to a Norwegian woman named Anna, 25 years his junior. He finally became a naturalised US citizen in 1919, the year he left the army. He died in 1938 and was buried at Fort Rosecrans National Cemetery in San Diego. His widow was buried by his side in 1974. Until yesterday I had believed him to be childless but taking advantage of the free access to the 1930 census, I found him in San Diego with a child named Griffith M., aged 1 year and 8 months old (born 1928). I would like to trace this child if possible. I would be grateful if someone could look up the following Ancestry records: 1) California Birth Index, 1905-1995 for Griffith Maurice Davies 2) California Marriage Index, 1960-1985 for marriage of Griffith M. Davies and Joyce V. Dinkins 3) Social Security Death Index for death of Griffith Davies, 2009, San Diego There are also a couple of references to a Griffith M. Davies in US Public Records Index. I am not sure which one this might be. It would be great if someone can help me here. Regards, Jonathan Pike ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

California Birth Index, 1905-1995 about Griffith Maurice Davies Name: Griffith Maurice Davies Birth Date: 31 Jul 1928 Gender: Male Mother's Maiden Name: Ellefseth Birth County: San Diego Name: Griffith M Davies Age: 42 Est. Birth: abt 1928 Spouse Name: Joyce V Dinkins Spouse Age: 36 Date: 10 Nov 1970 Location: San Diego City Griffith Davies Last Residence: 92020 El Cajon, San Diego, California, United States of America Born: 31 Jul 1928 Died: 24 Apr 2009 State (Year) SSN issued: California (1952-1953) Is that what you wanted? Kelli -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Pike Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] Griffith Morgan Davies Hi All I wonder if someone with access to the American edition of Ancestry might be able to help me with a couple of look-ups. My grandfather’s uncle Griffith Morgan Davies was born at Llandissilio on the Pembrokeshire – Carmarthenshire border in 1866. He left for the USA in 1894, on board the “Teutonic” passing through Ellis Island on 29th March. His last contact with Wales was in 1898 when a legal document was sent by him from the Philippines. This was the time of the Spanish American War and Griffith was serving in the US Army. In 1910 he was he was in Alaska but by 1920 he was in Washington State, married to a Norwegian woman named Anna, 25 years his junior. He finally became a naturalised US citizen in 1919, the year he left the army. He died in 1938 and was buried at Fort Rosecrans National Cemetery in San Diego. His widow was buried by his side in 1974. Until yesterday I had believed him to be childless but taking advantage of the free access to the 1930 census, I found him in San Diego with a child named Griffith M., aged 1 year and 8 months old (born 1928). I would like to trace this child if possible. I would be grateful if someone could look up the following Ancestry records: 1) California Birth Index, 1905-1995 for Griffith Maurice Davies 2) California Marriage Index, 1960-1985 for marriage of Griffith M. Davies and Joyce V. Dinkins 3) Social Security Death Index for death of Griffith Davies, 2009, San Diego There are also a couple of references to a Griffith M. Davies in US Public Records Index. I am not sure which one this might be. It would be great if someone can help me here. Regards, Jonathan Pike ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Vera Lowe has very kindly scanned the Pembrokeshire section of the map from the "Wales and her language" book by John Southall (1892). It can be viewed via the Genuki Pembrokeshire page's Language section http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/#Language Thank you very much Vera Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html

Hello Complete shot in the dark . I have an almost impossible problem in trying to find the parents of a Margaret Jones born c 1813 in the parish of Llanarth . As her age differs from census to census as well as on her death certificate ,it's not possible to pin down the exact year of birth . It's somewhere between 1813 and 1815 .However ,I found 4 possibles in the free reg . Mgt christened Feb 1813 to William and Maria Mgt chris .July 1813 to Lewis and Mary Mgt chris. Sept 1814 to David and Mary Mgt chris. October 1815 to Jenkin and Elizabeth. She married a Daniel Evans in 1832 . I was wondering if there 's a possibility that a subscriber would have any of these Margarets in their tree so that I can elminate one or two as being my ancestor ! I've also given up on who Daniel's parents could be .He was born c 1806 again in the Llanarth area !! many thanks Buddug Hollett

Hi Kay I don't know the answer to your question, but when people commission my help and say 'my name is Bloggs and I want to see if I'm connected with Lord Bloggs of Bloggs Hall' I usually assume there is absolutely no connection and plan my research accordingly. Robert -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kay Hoover Has an extended genealogy been done on Meurig ap Llewlyn? I have an immigrant, William Myrick/Merrick/etc, who is "supposed to be" a descendant of Meurig. William was in America by the early 1630's.. I have a copy of a newspaper article stating the Massachusetts Meyrick's descended from Meurig came through the branch that went to Pembrokeshire from Gwynedd. Article has no newspaper name or date. Lewis Dwnn doesn't seem to have tracked my William's branch of the family. Unfortunately the hundreds of Myrick postings on the internet quote each other verbatim and, according to Dwnn, those postings are not correct.

Looks like another case for a DNA/Documentation study, Kay. Within 12 months you will be able to do most of this online from California. Most of the databases required will be available. Just a question of organising the Spreadsheets to do the family reconstructions required! If he was in America by the early 1630s - then you will probably be interested in a Spreadsheet I am compiling to capture all the relevant information about the parish registers of London, Middlesex and close neighbouring parishes in Counties like Surrey and Kent. All the early vessels for New England, Virginia or Maryland left from Stepney. And Ancestry is now putting all these parish registers online in a big, big way. It has been a key missing part of the jigsaw required to trace emigrants to America. I never thought I would see this in my lifetime - but it is happening for real, right now. But you will still need a Spreadsheet to check off coverage as to what has and what has not been covered and indexed by Ancestry. So if William Meyrick came from West Wales - he would have had to find his way to Stepney - and that would have been by sea also. He does not necessarily to have had any vital event registered in London, but transit through the City was probably an integral step in how he got to America. And if he was born/baptised there - now you can find him, assuming his surname got noted down and spelt moderately correctly. And as we all know - looking for his baptism back in about 1610 in West Wales is a forlorn hope, to put it mildly. So that just leaves you with DNA as a viable alternative. So - it really boils down if you, personally, are prepared to put in the time, money and effort to answer the question. Because no-one is going to do it for you, in my experience. Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kay Hoover Sent: 18 February 2012 23:05 To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] Meurig ap Llewlyn Has an extended genealogy been done on Meurig ap Llewlyn? I have an immigrant, William Myrick/Merrick/etc, who is "supposed to be" a descendant of Meurig. William was in America by the early 1630's.. I have a copy of a newspaper article stating the Massachusetts Meyrick's descended from Meurig came through the branch that went to Pembrokeshire from Gwynedd. Article has no newspaper name or date. Lewis Dwnn doesn't seem to have tracked my William's branch of the family. Unfortunately the hundreds of Myrick postings on the internet quote each other verbatim and, according to Dwnn, those postings are not correct. Thanks Kay in California ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message