Hi all Does anyone know where I can get a burial list for Tenby Cemetary.  I did try the local vicar, unfortunately he did not have one or know where to find one.  Some relatives are buried there and I would like to know where. B. Gebbie

Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive (or at least reasonably full) list of Non-Conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire with the dates that they were in use? If such a list exists is there an index to it? Roy

I must admit I share Gareth's outlook. I recall coming across people anxious NOT to share their data on commercial sites lest the owners of those sites claim ownership of their data. Personally, I can't even work out what that might mean. No-one can really take the knowledge you have developed away from you, so why not share it as liberally and transparently as you can. That way you maximise your chance of learning something when someone comes across it and contacts you. I have had particular success in tracing forward (finding living relatives) through sharing data on sites like Genes Reunited (though I resent paying a fee). I have had some happy reunions with second cousins as a result. I have never had any adverse consequences from sharing my info. and cannot imagine how anything could go terribly wrong. If anything gets confected from my information then it will not be demonstrably true and will probably be demonstrably wrong or tenuous, so I shan't worry! And as for your 'bedside manner' Gareth, we have all observed that over the years and 'blessed be the peacemakers', I say! David Canberra On 20/03/2012, at 10:05 AM, Gareth wrote: > > > I'm genuinely surprised anyone should feel the need to hide behind a > pseudonym as some form of protection, from ......... ? > Being honest is quite normal behaviour, I assume that the ' brutal ' aspect > you allude to is being overly blunt, or pointed, in your comments. > Over the life of this list I've developed a 'bed side manner' (survival > technique?) which is to soften a contradictory response in some way without > lessening its meaning - it usually works, has it ? > > <I have removed my Ancestry from all the various websites where it was once > posted, as I found that so many, would take a name from my tree, and ascribe > descendants that fitted their <requirement, but which were factually > inaccurate.Sharing information, is one thing, contributing to the > dissemination of misinformation by those, who appear to be more interested > in <numbers than accuracy, which is replicated ad-infinitum is another. > > I subscribe to the opposite approach and have maintained comprehensive > family trees online for a dozen or so years without becoming aware of the > problems you describe. > Perhaps I'm being naive. > > Go on Achwr, reveal yourself, you know you want to really :-) > > Gareth >

For those who want to make the best use of the Mormon FamilySearch database, I would thoroughly recommend that you first go to Steve Archer's site: <www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/index.htm> I have no link with this company, other than having used his GenMap program many, many times, and again I would thoroughly recommend that too. Diana

I think there's a point that just might need a bit of clarification for some people, here, Gareth, if you don't mind putting my two-bob's worth in. The NLA (and probably most other big organisations doing this sort of thing) use both OCR and an image. So when you are looking at the Welsh journals on-line at the NLW that's the image which you see, and good to behold it is too! But they are also OCR'ing the same thing, so when you search a character string, that's what you search through. Sadly, the OCR isn't as good as the human eye-brain combination, so what you see as luminously readable material on-screen is not always recognised properly within the digitised record. Errors are far more common with old newspapers, where the original records are sometimes not too good to begin with. What the NLA has done is enable us to see both the image of the records (newspapers, journals etc) alongside their OCR interpretation of the text. That enables mugs like me to spend time we haven't got offering corrections to the OCR version of the text based on what we can see in the image before us. We all hope that makes searching the records easier and more effective for others after us. Funnily enough, the records in Australian newspapers that get the most attention for correction of the OCR text are the hatches, matches etc, primarily because of family historians. (There's plenty of Welsh interest there too. For example, there's a mountain of material relating to Lewis Thomas, the bloke from Talybont, Ceredigion, who became a very prominent coal miner in Queensland in the nineteenth century. And I've found rellies of mine who emigrated in the 1880s and even traced descendants.) David Canberra On 18/03/2012, at 11:16 PM, Gareth wrote: > I must agree that the Optical Character Recognition (OCR) process is > unlikely to achieve 100% perfection - although I hesitate to say 'never'. > I have OCR'd a considerable amount of material into Genuki over the years > and some of the sources have presented major headaches. > I use a programme called Omnipage pro by Nuance, which is a market leader, > and it is true that when faced with a long run of work then it is worthwhile > persevering with the 'learning phase' to the point where most, if not all, > mis-transcriptions are eliminated over time. > The rest can, in theory, be dealt with by a final human proof reading of > course, but it all adds up to a lengthy business - as I found with the Hanes > Eglwysi Annibynnol Cymru project! > > I read a lot of books on my Kindle and it is a constant source of surprise > that the proof reading hasn't been carried out as effectively as I would > have expected with a commercially produced book. > And some examples of 'original' Welsh pages reproduced with OCR, seen on the > net today, are gibberish. > > The NLW have got it right with their digitisation of Welsh journals project, > perfect reproduction every time. > They also give you the option of switching to 'text mode' with the caution; > "This text was generated automatically from the scanned page and has not > been checked. Typical character accuracy is in excess of 99%, but this > leaves one error per 100 characters." > > And, importantly, the search facility they provide has apparently worked > perfectly in the *digital* mode every time I've used it. > Of course you can only 'copy/paste' individual words in Text mode, which may > be it's biggest downside in practice.

Not sure Roy but I'd guess at an aversion towards commercial setups making money on the back of information that wasn't kept/intended for that purpose. Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Roy Davies Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Parish Registers Why on earth have some parishes opted out? To choose to be unhelpful is not a very Christian thing to do. I would like to know how the people who made those decisions justify them. Roy > > I agree that the phrase "the complete Welsh parish baptism, marriage and > death records have been published online" taken by itself gives an > 'optimistic' view of what they have there. > The word 'complete' is reckless since it is patently not so at present, > and > it is unforgivable to confuse burial records with death records. > > As a matter of interest the FMP site does have a list of parishes that > opted > out of this exercise. > http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/welsh-collection/parish-registers > > > Gareth ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Why on earth have some parishes opted out? To choose to be unhelpful is not a very Christian thing to do. I would like to know how the people who made those decisions justify them. Roy > > I agree that the phrase "the complete Welsh parish baptism, marriage and > death records have been published online" taken by itself gives an > 'optimistic' view of what they have there. > The word 'complete' is reckless since it is patently not so at present, and > it is unforgivable to confuse burial records with death records. > > As a matter of interest the FMP site does have a list of parishes that opted > out of this exercise. > http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/welsh-collection/parish-registers > > > Gareth

Has anyone on the Dyfed mail-list ever thought of starting a webpage similar to the one they have for Frome in Somerset? http://fromeresearch.org.uk/ They have a number of burial records transcribed, and if you click on Church, you will find quite a number of parish records transcribed for researchers. I'd be happy to help with transcriptions if anyone/someone would be willing to set up a website. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Boyd Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Burial List for Tenby Cemetary A few years ago I was looking for a relative in Tenby Cemetary, and the best bet is the local undertaker, I have lost my notes, but I think there's only one in town and they've been there for generations, and if you know a reasonably close date of death they may look it up for you.. probably can get the undertaker's name from Tenby library. As it turned out my relative was not buried there, but there's a remembrance at Parc Gwyn Crematorium site http://www.remembranceonline.co.uk/parcgwyn Rachel Boyd CT, USA ________________________________ From: BERYL GEBBIE <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, March 20, 2012 8:16:18 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Burial List for Tenby Cemetary Hi all Does anyone know where I can get a burial list for Tenby Cemetary. I did try the local vicar, unfortunately he did not have one or know where to find one. Some relatives are buried there and I would like to know where. B. Gebbie ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A few years ago I was looking for a relative in Tenby Cemetary, and the best bet is the local undertaker, I have lost my notes, but I think there's only one in town and they've been there for generations, and if you know a reasonably close date of death they may look it up for you.. probably can get the undertaker's name from Tenby library. As it turned out my relative was not buried there, but there's a remembrance at Parc Gwyn Crematorium site http://www.remembranceonline.co.uk/parcgwyn Rachel Boyd CT, USA ________________________________ From: BERYL GEBBIE <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, March 20, 2012 8:16:18 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Burial List for Tenby Cemetary Hi all Does anyone know where I can get a burial list for Tenby Cemetary.  I did try the local vicar, unfortunately he did not have one or know where to find one.  Some relatives are buried there and I would like to know where. B. Gebbie ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Achwr Oh dear, that evidence looks pretty conclusive. I have no means of viewing the entries but accept what you say, duplication does seem to be rife. I know from the FFHS site that they are very much in cahoots with FMP these days. So we must assume that a Burials search on the FMP site goes direct to the NBI database. http://www.ffhs.org.uk/projects/findmypast.php The FFHS itself does refer to some duplication in the NBI but not on this scale surely ! Thanks for the explanation Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: yr achwr Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:03 PM To: Gareth ; Dyfdd List Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Parish Registers Gareth, I should have said NBI (National Burial Index) not MI's. Just to demonstrate I chose a small Parish for which there are very few records Tremain. I then picked a name that was fairly common in the Parish - Lewis. Here are the entries: BURIALS LEWIS Ann 1835 1816 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW N/A LEWIS Ann 1835 1816 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW VIEW LEWIS Ann 1885 1796 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW N/A LEWIS Ann 1885 1796 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW VIEW LEWIS Anne 1839 1839 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW N/A LEWIS Anne 1839 1839 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW VIEW LEWIS Catherine 1807 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW N/A LEWIS Catherine 1807 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW VIEW LEWIS Elizabetha 1677 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW N/A LEWIS Hannah 1908 1838 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW N/A LEWIS Hannah 1908 1838 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW VIEW LEWIS John 1832 1826 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW N/A LEWIS John 1833 1827 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW VIEW LEWIS Mary 1852 1830 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW N/A LEWIS Mary 1852 1830 Tremain Cardiganshire VIEW VIEW I believe you will agree that all except one entry in 1677 is duplicated. There is I suggest an error in either the NBI Transcript or the Burial Register transcript for John Lewis 1826-1832 or 1827-1833. 15 entries in total, but only 8 individuals. I rest my case. Achwr ======================================== Message Received: Mar 19 2012, 11:23 PM From: "Gareth" To: "Dyfdd List" Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Parish Registers Achwr said; ACHWR

Dear listers, We are researching my husband's paternal grandfather, John Davies, who is found on the 1881 Census in the Pembroke Workhouse and listed as having been born there. There are three others of a similar age that are possible siblings. John's mother is named on his birth cert. as Elizabeth and on another document as Elizabeth Williams. If anyone has information on this family or the Workhouse we would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks in advance, Dianne Davies Sent from my iPad

Quite right Christene. Some years ago,a workmate of mine was urgently trying to contact me at home,But he didn't have my telephone number. He looked in the Telephone Directory,but couldn't see my name. When I finally heard from him in work a few days later,I couldn't understand why he couldn't find me in that directory? So upon looking myself I could see too,that I was missing. I tried my first name of Robert which I never use these days only on some e.mail addresses,No,Couldn't fine me. Then did a combination of Robert Graham or even R.G;WILLIAMS. Still no good. Then I wondered,Perhaps they mis-spelt my surname? Then I though,NO! How do you mis-spell "WILLIAMS?"I mean come on.One of the most popular names in the U.K; But guess what? It WAS mis-spelt.They had me down as " R.WILLAIMS." That was in the old days when I was lumbered with B.T; I played all hell with them on the phone. Most Appoligetic they were. But after another Telephone company was allowed to operate in this Country I swapped. As I said,This was a long time ago. Before computers,that is. Graham. -- From:- Graham Williams.of           Canton,Cardiff.           Glam;FHS;#551.           "Genealogy",Where Progress is made going Backwards."

As a follow up to my 'publish and be damned' approach I have just today had an approach from someone who picked up my Davies site. After further email exchanges we now know that our Davies gg grandmothers from Llansadwrn parish were sisters. And I now have several pieces of data that had previously eluded me, and likewise my new family contact. Not any everyday occurrence admittedly but over the years it must average 2/3 times a year. You can't beat it :-) Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Megan Roberts Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 11:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] The Written word. For many years I was a member of the “I’m not publishing” camp, primarily because of coming across a tree which in effect represented itself as a “one name study”, gave credit to one my relatives for their original work, but actually got her name wrong, and then to cap it all deleted all of her line. My response to this was not enhanced by finding it between her dying and her funeral! Since then many people have found me (and visa versa), and I guess it’s from posts to groups such as this, and between us we have willing shared and exchanged information and documents without restrictions. Over the last couple of years I have come to the view that no matter what we hold ourselves, what those who come after us will rely on is that which is published, and so I have gradually been loading my various lines on to Ancestry in one combined tree. This exercise has been invaluable as a means of auditing the information, because inevitably there are events not clearly documented. I suspect that I will still be doing this a long time to come! The view that people simply copy and paste garbage and so perpetuate it is very valid. I can point to a classic example of where the Liverpudlian husband and son in law of two Pembrokeshire ladies incorrectly reported in the 1901 Census that they were from Milford Haven. Someone has picked that “fact” up, and then applied it to virtually every Welsh ancestor, and then others have copied the same error over and over again. I point out the error to those who contact me, or challenge me on my information as I can substantiate my position. I guess my final point on this is what harm does someone else’s fiction/fantasy really do? We may not like it, but who are we to “burst their bubble”? The principle exception to that would be if the person was trying to gain in someway by it. I am sure that there is no right or wrong camp to be in. People need to do what sits most comfortably with them. Megan

I seem to have opened up a can of worms here ? For "Parish Registers"in Wales please look at the website "All Wales Lookup Exchange". If you look up "Glamorgan",you will see the many Parish Registers I myself and many others, have Offered to look in them for Researchers. I well remember many years ago back in the 1980's when visiting the Old Glamorgn records office in Cathays Park here in Cardiff. And learning then about the "I.G.I;" I asked the Archivist then,"Do I take the findings of the I.G.I; with a Pinch of Salt?" "Try a Wheelbarrow full," came the reply! There has been much fiddling with Family Tree's of the Aristocratic families over the years. If one generation doesn't look right,they would cancel that one out and stick a better looking one in its place. Fast forward to today with the Magic box of Computers,and its a case of the same thing in many wishful thinking sites. I was on one the other day. Hardly any dates from one generation to the next,then all of a sudden a date appears in a later generation which cannot be right,because its six generations in only 70 years. Someone in their 90's having kids! As for this hobby of ours? Apparently,as I read some time ago,Its the second oldest Hobby going. No need to ask what's the First? Let me give you a clue......... There was no Television around in those days! Cheers Graham. -- From:- Graham Williams.of           Canton,Cardiff.           Glam;FHS;#551.           "Genealogy",Where Progress is made going Backwards."

We must remember transcripts are transcibed by normal everyday folk ... We rely on 1...what folk think or assume they see.... My mothers name was typed in her marriage cert then signed so there should be no room for error but she is not there on NSW BDM...as Gwyneth Crook but Gwyneth CROCK my own name if often mis written as folk assume that I cant spell my own name and numbers are often mangeled in the same way..even the error of month and day rather than day and month......in many places I see I was born on the 8th of May rather than the 5th of August. In 1 case another tree baring my family had a great uncle comeing to Australia and having a family because his 1st and 2nd nmaes had been mixed so she had not seen him buried ..within miles of his birth place errors errors every where by folk not intending malice............all we can do is tell our stories as we see them as accurately as we can......not taking short cuts and taking nothing for granted Christene no error that is my name..but with a sister Rhondda an aunt Myfanwy and an uncle Glyndyr mum Gwyneth its all ok

Here is the reply I have received from Findmypast.  I won't comment any further ....   Megan     Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, we are unable to offer any specific date for release of these records or if they will ever be made available. The records are from an external source and although our customer’s interest is very important to us, we do have to consider the external resource and their wishes also. However, once we do have dates for release, we will send out a newsletter to our customers advising them of the latest, exciting developments. Please ensure that you are signed up for the newsletter as this is how the announcement will be made.

Hi Rachel Here is a map of the Diocese of St David's which covered all of Pem http://www.churchinwales.org.uk/david/information/office/ The only change I can think of is in 1923 when Swansea and Brecon Diocese was created by hiving off parts of Gla, Rad and Bre Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Boyd Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:07 AM To: Gareth Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Parish Registers Interesting.. I thought Diocese of St Davids covered part of Pembrokeshire as well (ie Narberth area and south). Did it in days gone by? Rachel Boyd CT, USA From: Gareth <[email protected]> To: Dyfdd List <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, March 19, 2012 7:22:25 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Parish Registers As a matter of interest the FMP site does have a list of parishes that opted out of this exercise. http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/welsh-collection/parish-registers Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html

Lynne wrote: Some of the entries on the IGI were extracted from parish records and are, therefore, ok. Other entries were submitted by people in the Mormon Church because they were asked to submit names to the Church fathers so that the deceased person could be baptized by proxy in the Temple. I don't think it was done from malice, but from ignorance. Unfortunately, these records are all combined together on the IGI, and one has to look at each entry to find if it was an extraction (transcription) or a submission. I think the FHL is now in the process of sorting all of that out. [End of quote] Lynne, you are rather out of date. The IGI was sorted some time back so that any information submitted by members is now in a separate database, and those extracted directly from parish registers are now the 'normal' search. Check the Source codes if you don't believe me. They also apparently include records from the Vital Records Index but these are easily distinguishable. The IGI also includes variant spellings, so that 'Tritchard' and 'Transherde' appear for 'Trenchard' I've recently been reconciling my records, obtained personally many moons ago directly from the parish records, with those in the Mormon 'Family Search'. Of the several thousand records I've only found one error, which is understandable as to why it appears. It was for a female named Philip (in the time several centuries back when English women were frequently given male names), and that was the name on the memorial in the parish church erected by her son - and he should certainly have known what his mother was called. It had been erroneously transcribed as Philis. This is in contrast with Ancestry where, on average, one in five entries has an error in my experience of looking at what must be well into thousands of records. Most of these are minor, but the most recent one was where 'Rebekah' had been transcribed as 'Obadiah'. Such major errors can introduce a serious block in research if reliance is placed only on databases of transcriptions such as Ancestry or FindMyPast and, to a lesser extent in the IGI. Since we no longer have access to original parish records, I would recommend that the most reliable databases are those done by the local Family History Societies, frequently obtainable on CD or fiche, then the IGI and last the commercial databases. Note that it is no use the latter providing access to the original parish record if it has been wrongly transcribed in the first place. Diana

For many years I was a member of the “I’m not publishing” camp, primarily because of coming across a tree which in effect represented itself as a “one name study”, gave credit to one my relatives for their original work, but actually got her name wrong, and then to cap it all deleted all of her line.  My response to this was not enhanced by finding it between her dying and her funeral!   Since then many people have found me (and visa versa), and I guess it’s from posts to groups such as this, and between us we have willing shared and exchanged information and documents without restrictions.   Over the last couple of years I have come to the view that no matter what we hold ourselves, what those who come after us will rely on is that which is published, and so I have gradually been loading my various lines on to Ancestry in one combined tree.  This exercise has been invaluable as a means of auditing the information, because inevitably there are events not clearly documented.  I suspect that I will still be doing this a long time to come!   The view that people simply copy and paste garbage and so perpetuate it is very valid.  I can point to a classic example of where the Liverpudlian husband and son in law of two Pembrokeshire ladies incorrectly reported in the 1901 Census that they were from Milford Haven.  Someone has picked that “fact” up, and then applied it to virtually every Welsh ancestor, and then others have copied the same error over and over again.  I point out the error to those who contact me, or challenge me on my information as I can substantiate my position.   I guess my final point on this is what harm does someone else’s fiction/fantasy really do?  We may not like it, but who are we to “burst their bubble”?  The principle exception to that would be if the person was trying to gain in someway by it.   I am sure that there is no right or wrong camp to be in.  People need to do what sits most comfortably with them.   Megan ________________________________ From: Marcus Griffiths <[email protected]> To: Edward Llewellyn-Jones <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012, 10:33 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] The Written word. I suppose I come somewhere between the approaches discussed. In practice I use Ancestry and Family Tree Maker so I can synchronise on different computers - PC + tablet. If I am working on a new line I create a new tree which I keep 'private' till I am sure of my information. I then would make the updated tree ' public'. Like others I have found several 'new' relatives and freinds when sharing information. I too am not sure how we 'own' information that is about people who have, in some earlier generations, hundreds of other descendants and whose information comes largely from public records. Whilst I sometimes question other's conclusions it does not hurt me if they insist on keeping incorrect records. I certainly know I have made a few blunders in the past - but usually the corrections have provided more than I lost! The rather exaggerated claims of others - eg that we have a  direct line from Hen Coel (old King Cole) provided amusement at a family wedding as did the fact that we seen to connect into one of the medieval pedigrees that go back to Adam % and God (and Mrs God!). I suggested at my son's wedding last year that 'my work is done'. Marcus Griffiths ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I suppose I come somewhere between the approaches discussed. In practice I use Ancestry and Family Tree Maker so I can synchronise on different computers - PC + tablet. If I am working on a new line I create a new tree which I keep 'private' till I am sure of my information. I then would make the updated tree ' public'. Like others I have found several 'new' relatives and freinds when sharing information. I too am not sure how we 'own' information that is about people who have, in some earlier generations, hundreds of other descendants and whose information comes largely from public records. Whilst I sometimes question other's conclusions it does not hurt me if they insist on keeping incorrect records. I certainly know I have made a few blunders in the past - but usually the corrections have provided more than I lost! The rather exaggerated claims of others - eg that we have a direct line from Hen Coel (old King Cole) provided amusement at a family wedding as did the fact that we seen to connect into one of the medieval pedigrees that go back to Adam % and God (and Mrs God!). I suggested at my son's wedding last year that 'my work is done'. Marcus Griffiths