Diolch yn fawr Achwr. That is very helpful. Regards, Roy On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:06 AM, yr achwr <[email protected]> wrote: > Roy, > > I do have a copy of the MI's for Rhydwilym. > > The following entries will be of interest to you. > > Note the spelling PHILLIP not PHILLIPS. > > Grave W1. > > Cof Faen/PHEBE gwraig BENJ. PHILLIP/Danygraig, Llangolman/hunodd Ebrill 9 > 1862/yn 67 oed/ ISAAC CUNNICK ei thad/ Mai 4 1841 yn 80 oed/ Etto ELIZABETH > ei wraig/Mai 6 1836 yn 78 oed/ Hefyd BENJAMIN PHILLIP/ Danygraig/ bu farw > Awst 5 1867/ yn 67 oed. > > Grave W2. > > Bedd Faen/ ELISABETH PHILLIPS/ Danygraig, Llangolman/ bu farw Mai 28 1874/ > yn 49 oed. > > CUNNICK you do not mention, any may be a new generation as far as you are > concerned. > > It is not a common surname. I have never seen it before! > > There is another CUNNICK burial, which is probably connected. > > Grave D7. > > Er/ Cof am/ MARTHA CUNNICK/ Pennfordd/ bu farw Mehefin 14 1819/ yn 67 oed/ > Hefyd ANN PHILLIPS/ bu farw Mai 6 1839/ yn 4 oed. > > There are several other PHILLIP/PHILLIPS buried at Rhydwilym. > > Hope this helps, > > Achwr > >

For those of you interested in the Workhouses try www.cenquest.co.uk click on Search and Institutions and then choose from Pauper, Army, Navy, Shipping etc. You can see the index for free so this should help you pinpoint who was where. Best Wishes Sylvia Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dianne Davies Sent: 22 March 2012 19:15 To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] WORKHOUSE/JOHN DAVIES Dear listers, Would the person who sent me the website on the workhouses mind sending it again as it got deleted by mistake? Thanks in advance, Dianne D. Sent from my iPad ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "robert williams" <> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:04 PM Subject: [Dyfed] The Written word. > Many Years ago I had an E.Mail off somebody who had traced their family > history using nothing but the I.G.I; > Their facts were therefore based on what somebody else had told them,and > more importantly, > NO research in to the Actual Parish Registers had been done whatsoever. Certainly I would always have the gravest doubts about anyone claiming to have traced their ancestry back two or three hundred years using nothing but the IGI - given the inevitable gaps and omissions within the surviving registers. Also to say nothing of the probable missed opportunities to flesh out their Family History from other sources. I think this would still hold true even with a relatively uncommon surname. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian P. Swann" <> To: "'Diana Trenchard'" <> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] The Written Word. >I still think we are in a transition in family history. > This is the communication revolution really starting to exert its power. Provided everyone always accepts that ease and quantity of communication is not necessarily the same as quality. For example, anyone can edit Wikipedia, and indeed it does contain some very useful articles. But an interesting view of the downside is provided by Timothy Messer-Kruse's piece at http://chronicle.com/article/The-Undue-Weight-of-Truth-on/130704/. Similarly huge numbers of people can contribute (normally with minimal moderatorial interference) to "Have Your Say" pages on numerous TV, radio and newspaper websites - has this particularly led to noticeably higher overall standards? > The questions are how critical will these Groups be of the online > information provided, and how good is that online information anyway. Quite so. > Some people who have had to deal with Ancestry in the past are very > jaundiced - and believe they will never listen effectively to criticism > ... But the quality of the work they have done on the London and Middlesex > parish registers is atrocious. Within the next 6 weeks I intend to find > out what the London Metropolitan Archives really think of their > relationship with them - in some ways I think they must be secretly > embarrassed - but are they actively involved in any follow-up change > process, or have they washed their hands of it? Is it really the LMA's problem? Whilst any inaccuracies might indeed be regrettable, if people (including computer users) decide to adopt a new tool - clearly with some limitations as to its functionality - and then choose to use it carelessly or inappropriately, then it's surely their own lookout? Ancestry has hitherto never had the highest of reputations for accuracy, and doubtless some allowance for this was made at the time. Did anybody else offer a more credible tender? I dare say the LMA staff have quite sufficient other issues to worry about, without taking on board other people's problems. As regards the latter, they surely cannot expect any more in the way of staff assistance (assuming no additional payment is being made) than that normally offered to any other researchers. Whilst on the subject of transcripts and databases, one quite often reads criticisms of the use of overseas labour (e.g. Indian) for the purposes of keying in data, given these operators' initial lack of familiarity with local surnames and placenames. My own view is that whilst these disadvantages should not be underestimated, neither should they be overestimated. Having myself done a fair number of transcripts relating to new areas, my experience is that (particularly if given access to appropriate reference sources) if one is doing the work almost continuously, one soon begins to recognise the same placenames when they recur frequently, and it is these very same names which it is of the greatest importance to get correct. If more local operators - able and willing to devote the same numbers of hours, operating under the same overall management, and within the same timescale and budget - were indeed available, why wouldn't they then be recruited? In the end (as has already been said) the chances are that no new genealogical database is ever likely to be perfect. AJ

Dear listers, Would the person who sent me the website on the workhouses mind sending it again as it got deleted by mistake? Thanks in advance, Dianne D. Sent from my iPad

Hi Thanks to the seamen's records on 'Find my past' I've been able to find the death record of a family member from New Quay .He died in the Provincial hospital in Valencia in 1910 . Anyone know what the procedure would be regarding the burial ? As a mariner ,would he have been buried at sea or as he died 'on land' would it have been in a cemetery in Valencia ? diolch , Buddug Hollett

Dear Rachel I agree with all this. It may well be that complaints from US-based customers may have a bigger impact on what Ancestry does strategically, than anything we can say in the UK. We may need to mobilise that a bit. But they must be a bit frightened of FindMyPast and the Genealogist - who have much easier front-ends to use, in my opinion. Let's see if we can get any strategic thinking out from them over the next couple of months. Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 21 March 2012 23:53 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] The Written Word. I agree with what you say. I often think that - at the moment - Ancestry is going for quantity not quality. Quite possibly we the consumers are to blame, always searching for more and varied information.  One can be hopeful that there will come a point where they will pause and make corrections to what they have already made accessible. Although DNA matching has been beneficial to descendants of one branch of my family tree, I wonder if what we now have available in that spectrum will be seen to be pathetically inadequate in the not-too-distant future.  Just think how far the mechanism of the personal computer has developed in the last only 25 years, that allows this field of genealogy for the masses to expand at all. Less than 10 years ago, Ancestry's early offerings took forever to download, everything has become so streamlined now by comparison. So I am hoping that with patience and feedback they will continue to improve. Rachel Boyd CT, USA ________________________________ From: Brian P. Swann <[email protected]> To: Diana Trenchard <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 21, 2012 6:53:31 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] The Written Word. I still think we are in a transition in family history. This is the communication revolution really starting to exert its power. The Americans and other former British colonies will now soon have access to many of the key building blocks we use to do family history over here. I believe Debbie Kennett's new book - DNA and Social Networking - captures the essence of this change. The questions are how critical will these Groups be of the online information provided, and how good is that online information anyway. Some people who have had to deal with Ancestry in the past are very jaundiced - and believe they will never listen effectively to criticism. But I am at least going to have a go talking to their International Commerce & Business Development Director in the UK - when she gets back from Ancestry.com in the USA talking about the $12+ million they have invested in DNA testing in 2011/2. But the quality of the work they have done on the London and Middlesex parish registers is atrocious.  Within the next 6 weeks I intend to find out what the London Metropolitan Archives really think of their relationship with them - in some ways I think they must be secretly embarrassed - but are they actively involved in any follow-up change process, or have they washed their hands of it? And it may need pressure from the American end to get Ancestry to change - and not from here.  The Americans are a far bigger market for them. Brian ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree. I once asked an elderly uncle, who would have known, if he knew of a register of any sort for the local cemetery which belonged to the congregational chapel. He was quite sure that there had been one once but had no idea of its then likely whereabouts. He theorised that when the last keeper died the book could have been thrown out with the 'rubbish' by who ever cleared the deceased's house out. He was also sure such a book wouldn't have ben kept at the chapel itself for security/continuity - it just didn't happen that way. We have to accept that our priorities as genealogists/descendants weren't shared by those who 'were there' as it were. Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Aidan Jones Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Non-conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Davies" <@gmail.com> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:36 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Non-conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire? > Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive (or at least reasonably > full) list of Non-Conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire with the > dates that they were in use? If such a list exists is there an index > to it? Taking the question a stage further, it's probably worth noting that there was no statutory obligation on most nonconformist congregations to maintain any registers at all. For a lot of burial grounds in the early days it should not automatically be assumed that a register of burials ever existed - let alone that it will have survived. AJ

Roy, I do have a copy of the MI's for Rhydwilym. The following entries will be of interest to you. Note the spelling PHILLIP not PHILLIPS. Grave W1. Cof Faen/PHEBE gwraig BENJ. PHILLIP/Danygraig, Llangolman/hunodd Ebrill 9 1862/yn 67 oed/ ISAAC CUNNICK ei thad/ Mai 4 1841 yn 80 oed/ Etto ELIZABETH ei wraig/Mai 6 1836 yn 78 oed/ Hefyd BENJAMIN PHILLIP/ Danygraig/ bu farw Awst 5 1867/ yn 67 oed. Grave W2. Bedd Faen/ ELISABETH PHILLIPS/ Danygraig, Llangolman/ bu farw Mai 28 1874/ yn 49 oed. CUNNICK you do not mention, any may be a new generation as far as you are concerned. It is not a common surname. I have never seen it before! There is another CUNNICK burial, which is probably connected. Grave D7. Er/ Cof am/ MARTHA CUNNICK/ Pennfordd/ bu farw Mehefin 14 1819/ yn 67 oed/ Hefyd ANN PHILLIPS/ bu farw Mai 6 1839/ yn 4 oed. There are several other PHILLIP/PHILLIPS buried at Rhydwilym. Hope this helps, Achwr ======================================== Message Received: Mar 21 2012, 11:08 PM From: "Roy Davies" To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Non-conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire? Hello Achwr (or Shw Mae!) and Melanie, Thanks for your messages. I am not sure what burial grounds I'm interested in because I am don't know which chapels had burial grounds, with the exception of Rhydwilym which I have read does have one, and I am not 100% sure which chapels various people were members of at the time they died. However the names, dates and place of death of a few of the people I'm interested in are listed below as are the names of some chapels which certain family members seem to have had connections with. Sarah James (formerly Thomas) wife of George James, died in Market Square, Narberth on 23 December 1849. Elizabeth Phillips, daughter of Benjamin Phillips, died at Danygraig farm near Llangolman on 30 May 1874. Phoebe Griffiths (formerly Davies), the wife of Thomas Griffiths, died in Danygraig Farm near Llangolman on 26 May 1879. Ann James (wife of John James) died on 4 September 1880 in Redstone, Narberth. John James (a stonemason) died 25 April 1889 in Redstone, Narberth. Most of the descendants of these Jameses and Griffithses from Pembrokeshire who later moved to Glamorgan were Baptists and therefore some of those above were probably also Baptists, but perhaps not all of them. Some of the chapels in which various relations got married or which some family members are thought to have had a connection are: Nebo Independent Chapel, Cilymaenllwyd. Bethesda Baptist Chapel, High Street, Narberth. Ffynnon Baptist Chapel, Llanddewi Velfrey. Rhydwilym Baptist Church, Llandissilio. (Danygraig Farm where Elizabeth Phillips and Phoebe Griffiths died is quite close to Rhydwilym). I don't want to inconvenience you, or other members of this list, but if you do have access to any sources that you could check reasonably easily, or if you have any other suggestions, I would be grateful. Regards, Roy > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:10:22 +0100 > From: yr achwr > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Non-conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire? > To: Roy Davies , [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Roy, > I'm afraid the simple answer is no. > MI Surveys in Pembrokeshire of Church let alone Chapel Burial Grounds is > very patchy. > Some areas have been covered better than others. > This is also true for Cardiganshire and Carmarthenshire. > If you could be more specific, about the Parishes or Chapels you are > interested in, I might be able to answer your question. > I am always suprised by the number of burials in local graveyards of > individuals, and whole families from other counties. They were returned to > be buried in the ancestral plot or burial ground. The connection in some of > the instances I have researched out of curiosity, is often a couple of > generations earlier. > An all Dyfed Index is therefore sorely required. > > Achwr > > > ********************************* ACHWR ,

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Davies" <@gmail.com> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:36 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Non-conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire? > Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive (or at least reasonably > full) list of Non-Conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire with the > dates that they were in use? If such a list exists is there an index > to it? Taking the question a stage further, it's probably worth noting that there was no statutory obligation on most nonconformist congregations to maintain any registers at all. For a lot of burial grounds in the early days it should not automatically be assumed that a register of burials ever existed - let alone that it will have survived. AJ

Hello Achwr (or Shw Mae!) and Melanie, Thanks for your messages. I am not sure what burial grounds I'm interested in because I am don't know which chapels had burial grounds, with the exception of Rhydwilym which I have read does have one, and I am not 100% sure which chapels various people were members of at the time they died. However the names, dates and place of death of a few of the people I'm interested in are listed below as are the names of some chapels which certain family members seem to have had connections with. Sarah James (formerly Thomas) wife of George James, died in Market Square, Narberth on 23 December 1849. Elizabeth Phillips, daughter of Benjamin Phillips, died at Danygraig farm near Llangolman on 30 May 1874. Phoebe Griffiths (formerly Davies), the wife of Thomas Griffiths, died in Danygraig Farm near Llangolman on 26 May 1879. Ann James (wife of John James) died on 4 September 1880 in Redstone, Narberth. John James (a stonemason) died 25 April 1889 in Redstone, Narberth. Most of the descendants of these Jameses and Griffithses from Pembrokeshire who later moved to Glamorgan were Baptists and therefore some of those above were probably also Baptists, but perhaps not all of them. Some of the chapels in which various relations got married or which some family members are thought to have had a connection are: Nebo Independent Chapel, Cilymaenllwyd. Bethesda Baptist Chapel, High Street, Narberth. Ffynnon Baptist Chapel, Llanddewi Velfrey. Rhydwilym Baptist Church, Llandissilio. (Danygraig Farm where Elizabeth Phillips and Phoebe Griffiths died is quite close to Rhydwilym). I don't want to inconvenience you, or other members of this list, but if you do have access to any sources that you could check reasonably easily, or if you have any other suggestions, I would be grateful. Regards, Roy > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:10:22 +0100 > From: yr achwr <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Non-conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire? > To: Roy Davies <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Roy, > I'm afraid the simple answer is no. > MI Surveys in Pembrokeshire of Church let alone Chapel Burial Grounds is > very patchy. > Some areas have been covered better than others. > This is also true for Cardiganshire and Carmarthenshire. > If you could be more specific, about the Parishes or Chapels you are > interested in, I might be able to answer your question. > I am always suprised by the number of burials in local graveyards of > individuals, and whole families from other counties. They were returned to > be buried in the ancestral plot or burial ground. The connection in some of > the instances I have researched out of curiosity, is often a couple of > generations earlier. > An all Dyfed Index is therefore sorely required. > > Achwr > > > *********************************

I still think we are in a transition in family history. This is the communication revolution really starting to exert its power. The Americans and other former British colonies will now soon have access to many of the key building blocks we use to do family history over here. I believe Debbie Kennett's new book - DNA and Social Networking - captures the essence of this change. The questions are how critical will these Groups be of the online information provided, and how good is that online information anyway. Some people who have had to deal with Ancestry in the past are very jaundiced - and believe they will never listen effectively to criticism. But I am at least going to have a go talking to their International Commerce & Business Development Director in the UK - when she gets back from Ancestry.com in the USA talking about the $12+ million they have invested in DNA testing in 2011/2. But the quality of the work they have done on the London and Middlesex parish registers is atrocious. Within the next 6 weeks I intend to find out what the London Metropolitan Archives really think of their relationship with them - in some ways I think they must be secretly embarrassed - but are they actively involved in any follow-up change process, or have they washed their hands of it? And it may need pressure from the American end to get Ancestry to change - and not from here. The Americans are a far bigger market for them. Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diana Trenchard Sent: 20 March 2012 12:04 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] The Written Word. Lynne wrote: Some of the entries on the IGI were extracted from parish records and are, therefore, ok. Other entries were submitted by people in the Mormon Church because they were asked to submit names to the Church fathers so that the deceased person could be baptized by proxy in the Temple. I don't think it was done from malice, but from ignorance. Unfortunately, these records are all combined together on the IGI, and one has to look at each entry to find if it was an extraction (transcription) or a submission. I think the FHL is now in the process of sorting all of that out. [End of quote] Lynne, you are rather out of date. The IGI was sorted some time back so that any information submitted by members is now in a separate database, and those extracted directly from parish registers are now the 'normal' search. Check the Source codes if you don't believe me. They also apparently include records from the Vital Records Index but these are easily distinguishable. The IGI also includes variant spellings, so that 'Tritchard' and 'Transherde' appear for 'Trenchard'. I've recently been reconciling my records, obtained personally many moons ago directly from the parish records, with those in the Mormon 'Family Search'. Of the several thousand records I've only found one error, which is understandable as to why it appears. It was for a female named Philip (in the time several centuries back when English women were frequently given male names), and that was the name on the memorial in the parish church erected by her son - and he should certainly have known what his mother was called. It had been erroneously transcribed as Philis. This is in contrast with Ancestry where, on average, one in five entries has an error in my experience of looking at what must be well into thousands of records. Most of these are minor, but the most recent one was where 'Rebekah' had been transcribed as 'Obadiah'. Such major errors can introduce a serious block in research if reliance is placed only on databases of transcriptions such as Ancestry or FindMyPast and, to a lesser extent in the IGI. Since we no longer have access to original parish records, I would recommend that the most reliable databases are those done by the local Family History Societies, frequently obtainable on CD or fiche, then the IGI and last the commercial databases. Note that it is no use the latter providing access to the original parish record if it has been wrongly transcribed in the first place. Diana ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think what most commercial companies would aim for is to have the image of the original document alongside the transcript or index - so you can always evaluate independently the accuracy of any transcription. And you may possibly have family information that could affect what you make of the translation - compared to someone who does not know the family or the surname spelling variants as well as you. Transcription errors are universal - there were two books published on errors in the main BMD indexes - which suggested up to 2% of names in the indexes we all use could be incorrect or incomplete in some way. http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mikefost/ www.genfair.co.uk/supplier.php?sid=50 Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of christene Sent: 20 March 2012 02:49 To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] The Written word. We must remember transcripts are transcibed by normal everyday folk ... We rely on 1...what folk think or assume they see.... My mothers name was typed in her marriage cert then signed so there should be no room for error but she is not there on NSW BDM...as Gwyneth Crook but Gwyneth CROCK my own name if often mis written as folk assume that I cant spell my own name and numbers are often mangeled in the same way..even the error of month and day rather than day and month......in many places I see I was born on the 8th of May rather than the 5th of August. In 1 case another tree baring my family had a great uncle comeing to Australia and having a family because his 1st and 2nd nmaes had been mixed so she had not seen him buried ..within miles of his birth place errors errors every where by folk not intending malice............all we can do is tell our stories as we see them as accurately as we can......not taking short cuts and taking nothing for granted Christene no error that is my name..but with a sister Rhondda an aunt Myfanwy and an uncle Glyndyr mum Gwyneth its all ok ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last year I wanted information on 2 ancestors in workhouses in Haverfordwest and I spoke with the Record Office.  For a small fee, they conducted some research for me which was very helpful.  The fee is £15 per hour including any documents copied.   Megan ________________________________ From: SANDRA DAVIES <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012, 18:45 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Workhouse Hi Dianne   There is information on the workhouses in Pembroke here http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Pembroke/   Regards Sandra ________________________________ From: Dianne Davies <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012, 0:08 Subject: [Dyfed] Workhouse   Dear listers, We are researching my husband's paternal grandfather, John Davies, who is found on the 1881 Census in the Pembroke Workhouse and listed as having been born there. There are three others of a similar age that are possible siblings. John's mother is named on his birth cert. as Elizabeth and on another document as Elizabeth Williams. If anyone has information on this family or the Workhouse we would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks in advance, Dianne Davies Sent from my iPad ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dianne   There is information on the workhouses in Pembroke here http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Pembroke/   Regards Sandra ________________________________ From: Dianne Davies <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012, 0:08 Subject: [Dyfed] Workhouse Dear listers, We are researching my husband's paternal grandfather, John Davies, who is found on the 1881 Census in the Pembroke Workhouse and listed as having been born there. There are three others of a similar age that are possible siblings. John's mother is named on his birth cert. as Elizabeth and on another document as Elizabeth Williams. If anyone has information on this family or the Workhouse we would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks in advance, Dianne Davies Sent from my iPad ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with what you say. I often think that -at the moment- Ancestry is going for quantity not quality.  Quite possibly we the consumers are to blame, always searching for more and varied information.  One can be hopeful that there will come a point where they will pause and make corrections to what they have already made accessible. Although DNA matching has been beneficial to descendants of one branch of my family tree, I wonder if what we now have available in that spectrum will be seen to be pathetically inadequate in the not-too-distant future.  Just think how far the mechanism of the personal computer has developed in the last only 25 years, that allows this field of genealogy for the masses to expand at all. Less than 10 years ago, Ancestry's early offerings took forever to download, everything has become so streamlined now by comparison. So I am hoping that with patience and feedback they will continue to improve. Rachel Boyd CT, USA ________________________________ From: Brian P. Swann <[email protected]> To: Diana Trenchard <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 21, 2012 6:53:31 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] The Written Word. I still think we are in a transition in family history. This is the communication revolution really starting to exert its power. The Americans and other former British colonies will now soon have access to many of the key building blocks we use to do family history over here. I believe Debbie Kennett's new book - DNA and Social Networking - captures the essence of this change. The questions are how critical will these Groups be of the online information provided, and how good is that online information anyway. Some people who have had to deal with Ancestry in the past are very jaundiced - and believe they will never listen effectively to criticism. But I am at least going to have a go talking to their International Commerce & Business Development Director in the UK - when she gets back from Ancestry.com in the USA talking about the $12+ million they have invested in DNA testing in 2011/2. But the quality of the work they have done on the London and Middlesex parish registers is atrocious.  Within the next 6 weeks I intend to find out what the London Metropolitan Archives really think of their relationship with them - in some ways I think they must be secretly embarrassed - but are they actively involved in any follow-up change process, or have they washed their hands of it? And it may need pressure from the American end to get Ancestry to change - and not from here.  The Americans are a far bigger market for them. Brian

Thank you, Megan. I have contacted the R.O. to see if they have some records that could help me. It would be much cheaper than flying over! Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Megan Roberts Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:48 PM To: SANDRA DAVIES ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Workhouse Last year I wanted information on 2 ancestors in workhouses in Haverfordwest and I spoke with the Record Office. For a small fee, they conducted some research for me which was very helpful. The fee is £15 per hour including any documents copied. Megan ________________________________ From: SANDRA DAVIES <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012, 18:45 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Workhouse Hi Dianne There is information on the workhouses in Pembroke here http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Pembroke/ Regards Sandra ________________________________ From: Dianne Davies <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012, 0:08 Subject: [Dyfed] Workhouse Dear listers, We are researching my husband's paternal grandfather, John Davies, who is found on the 1881 Census in the Pembroke Workhouse and listed as having been born there. There are three others of a similar age that are possible siblings. John's mother is named on his birth cert. as Elizabeth and on another document as Elizabeth Williams. If anyone has information on this family or the Workhouse we would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks in advance, Dianne Davies Sent from my iPad ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roy Are you wanting information on a particular burial ground or a particular area of Pembrokeshire? Melanie. [email protected] researching various surnames in North West Pembrokeshire including Cornock James Evans Owen/s Thomas Samuel in the following places Fishguard Manorowen Llanstinian Llanfairnantygof, Llanwnda Llanllawer Llanychaer Dinas Cross ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:36:10 +0000 From: Roy Davies <[email protected]> Subject: [Dyfed] Non-conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive (or at least reasonably full) list of Non-Conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire with the dates that they were in use? If such a list exists is there an index to it? Roy ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:10:22 +0100 From: yr achwr <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Non-conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire? To: Roy Davies <[email protected]>, [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Roy, I'm afraid the simple answer is no. MI Surveys in Pembrokeshire of Church let alone Chapel Burial Grounds is very patchy. Some areas have been covered better than others. This is also true for Cardiganshire and Carmarthenshire. If you could be more specific, about the Parishes or Chapels you are interested in, I might be able to answer your question. I am always suprised by the number of burials in local graveyards of individuals, and whole families from other counties. They were returned to be buried in the ancestral plot or burial ground. The connection in some of the instances I have researched out of curiosity, is often a couple of generations earlier. An all Dyfed Index is therefore sorely required. Achwr *********************************

There is a Pembrokeshire County Council Web Site for Parc Gwyn, where you can view on-line the entries in the Book of Remembrance. http://parcgwyn.bookofremembrance.eu/ Dai On 21/03/2012 00:41, Rachel Boyd wrote: > A few years ago I was looking for a relative in Tenby Cemetary, and the best bet > is the local undertaker, I have lost my notes, but I think there's only one in > town and they've been there for generations, and if you know a reasonably close > date of death they may look it up for you.. probably can get the undertaker's > name from Tenby library. > As it turned out my relative was not buried there, but there's a remembrance at > Parc Gwyn Crematorium site http://www.remembranceonline.co.uk/parcgwyn > > Rachel Boyd > CT, USA > > > > > ________________________________ > From: BERYL GEBBIE<[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, March 20, 2012 8:16:18 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] Burial List for Tenby Cemetary > > Hi all > Does anyone know where I can get a burial list for Tenby Cemetary. I did try > the local vicar, unfortunately > he did not have one or know where to find one. Some relatives are buried there > and I would like to know > where. > B. Gebbie > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This burial record search of the County Council owned cemeteries is useful for those who are not already aware of it.   http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk/content.asp?nav=107,1627,1185,1312&parent_directory_id=646   Sandra     ________________________________

Roy, I'm afraid the simple answer is no. MI Surveys in Pembrokeshire of Church let alone Chapel Burial Grounds is very patchy. Some areas have been covered better than others. This is also true for Cardiganshire and Carmarthenshire. If you could be more specific, about the Parishes or Chapels you are interested in, I might be able to answer your question. I am always suprised by the number of burials in local graveyards of individuals, and whole families from other counties. They were returned to be buried in the ancestral plot or burial ground. The connection in some of the instances I have researched out of curiosity, is often a couple of generations earlier. An all Dyfed Index is therefore sorely required. Achwr ======================================== Message Received: Mar 20 2012, 10:36 PM From: "Roy Davies" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] Non-conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire? Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive (or at least reasonably full) list of Non-Conformist burial grounds in Pembrokeshire with the dates that they were in use? If such a list exists is there an index to it? Roy ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR