Dear Megan Please can I have a copy - way behind on some email correspondence. Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Megan Roberts Sent: 01 July 2012 17:47 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Parish Registers on Find my Past If anyone is having difficulty in working out which parish is covered and over which dates I have managed to combine the 4 pdf files so that you can now look by parish for each type of event.  If anyone would like a copy let me know and I will sent off list.   Megan ________________________________ From: Jennifer Cairns <[email protected]> To: Roy Davies <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012, 10:51 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Parish Registers on Find my Past I've just tried with your info, and looked at a couple - and these images appeared without problems on my generally unhelpful pc.   Were you perhaps trying to look at the Soc Geneal.'s Dioceses Eng/Wales/Canterbury info which do not show images, only unhelpful transcriptions!   Jen From: Roy Davies <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012, 10:39 Subject: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Parish Registers on Find my Past Is anyone else having difficulty in getting access to the images of the parish records from Pembrokeshire on Find My Past?  I searched for marriages of "John JAMES" in Pembrokeshire in the period 1810-1820 and got two pages of hits. However, I could only see the transcriptions. Whenever I clicked on "image" to see a copy of the original record all I got was a blank screen! Roy > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Megan Roberts > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Find my Past have now released a second batch of parish registers, >> which do include Pembrokeshire.  If you go to the news releases dated >> 26 June there is a link to a pdf file telling which parishes and from >> when to when.  But don't believe the hype about the completeness of >> the records - because they are not; or indeed the numbers of records >> claimed.  However most of the new ones added do have the a link to the actual register. > ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynne Ingalls wrote: > Charani - Forgive my ignorance. What is a challenge response mail? Nothing to forgive :)) It's where a person is using a third party anti spam program that, when you send a mail to them, you get a mail in response (challenge) that requires you to click on a link (response) to "prove" you are not a spammer. That kind of program is fine for private correspondence but if you're using a mailing list, such as this, it shouldn't be used. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Bob - I cannot find mention of Michael Roch/Roach in Richard Rose's book, "Pembroke People" which you would think there would be if Michael worked at Pembroke Dock in the 1830 -1840's. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Bob Sanders Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 2:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Records Charani No intention on my part to complain. I have done enough research and transcribing over the last 40 years to be well aware of the difficulties. My website mainly contains records relating to Glamorgan ( Cardiff & The Vale in particular) and Cardiff maritime records. It's at http://www.glamorganfamilyhistory.co.uk/ if anyone is interested. Bettye Many thanks for your suggestion and offer. I have been in touch with Pembroke Record Office and they have done some checking of Llanstadwell baptisms for my chap without success, 'though they were extremely helpful. I have his marriage at Hubberston in 1836 but his birth/baptism is very elusive. I am about to get the Record Office to search the non-conformist records for him as his son was certainly a Wesleyan. I have copies of letters from the Wesleyan Minister and the British School Master at Pembroke Dock recommending him for a scholarship to Borough Rd Teacher Training College in 1856. Just in case anyone knows anything about him my great great grandfather was Michael Roch/Roach probably born between 1810 and 1818 at one of the several places called Shipping in Pembrokeshire. He was a shipwright at HM Dockyards, initially at Pembroke then at Sheerness, then back to Pembroke and later at Woolwich where he died in 1891. By the way I have posted similar queries to the list on several occasions over the years. Some ancestors just don't want us to find them ! Regards Bob Sanders ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List   Bettye's letter has prompted me to ask whether any knows if there are MI inscriptions for Blaenpennal Church listed anywhere. If anyone has a copy I would be very grateful for details of any HUGHES inscriptions.  In particular Richard HUGHES, Tan(y)garreg, who died 1885 (born c. 1822)   Jen     From: LC & BJ Kirkwood <[email protected]> To: Bob Sanders <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2012, 12:31 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] FMP Pembrokeshire Records Dear Bob, Some of us who have been around for a while have purchased records.  If you have a special query or request why not ask.....it used to work wonderfully well on this List in the past.  I have the Llanstadwell marriages as part of the Marriages Index in Rhos Hundred from 1716 up to 1812 and would happily look at a particular surname for you if you have not already investigated these.  Likewise if you seek a possible marriage between 1813 and 1837 the Pembrokeshire Index should have that listed also.  Of course, these newer sites cover a longer time period....and I don't have any of those, or witnesses, or any of the other peripheral info. but the aim of this List has always been to help if possible. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

I have used Mailwasher for many years, it is free using just one email address. Have no complaints whatsoever. John. Researching RICHARDS & DUGGAN, SW Pembs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:06 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Challenge Response programs >I have just received a challenge response mail from a member of this > list. Rootsweb don't like this kind of alleged anti spam programs and > they can globally unsub anyone using such a program. > > If anyone feels the need to use a third party program to control spam, > there is one called MailWasher which is non intrusive, does not > require anyone to jump through hoops so someone can receive their mail > (and possible the answer to their query) and is free. I don't use it > but I know a number of people who do. > > The sender of the challenge response mail has been added to my blacklist. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5130 - Release Date: 07/13/12 >

I have just received a challenge response mail from a member of this list. Rootsweb don't like this kind of alleged anti spam programs and they can globally unsub anyone using such a program. If anyone feels the need to use a third party program to control spam, there is one called MailWasher which is non intrusive, does not require anyone to jump through hoops so someone can receive their mail (and possible the answer to their query) and is free. I don't use it but I know a number of people who do. The sender of the challenge response mail has been added to my blacklist. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Bob Sanders wrote: > Some parishes are missing altogether. I was looking for records for > Llanstadwell but there are none on FMP. They'll get there in time. Transcribing is not an instant thing. It takes time and, if done properly, patience as well. It takes me a day to transcribe 5-10 years of parish register if the writing it good and the image is clear. The worse the image and/or the writing, the less I can get done. Where a page looks empty on a fiche or film, and is only faintly visible in the original, it can take me a full day, stiff neck, aching back and a headache to partially transcribe a year. Sadly the internet has conditioned people to expect instance answers. The only way to get parishes onto the internet faster is to join the bands of transcribers and help. Join FreeREG, become an OPC or even freelance and have your own site or offer your transcriptions to any site that would like them. Permission will be needed to publish the transcription though. In the interim, there are the LDS FHCs from whom you can hire the films of parishes, where available, for a nominal sum - providing you have a centre within easy travelling distance. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I had never heard of this either. Rachel Boyd Meriden, CT ________________________________ From: Charani <[email protected]> To: Lynne Ingalls <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Sent: Sun, July 15, 2012 1:10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Challenge Response programs Lynne Ingalls wrote: > Charani -  Forgive my ignorance.  What is a challenge response mail? Nothing to forgive :)) It's where a person is using a third party anti spam program that, when you send a mail to them, you get a mail in response (challenge) that requires you to click on a link (response) to "prove" you are not a spammer. That kind of program is fine for private correspondence but if you're using a mailing list, such as this, it shouldn't be used. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some parishes are missing altogether. I was looking for records for Llanstadwell but there are none on FMP. Bob

Charani - Forgive my ignorance. What is a challenge response mail? Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Charani Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 4:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] Challenge Response programs I have just received a challenge response mail from a member of this list. Rootsweb don't like this kind of alleged anti spam programs and they can globally unsub anyone using such a program. If anyone feels the need to use a third party program to control spam, there is one called MailWasher which is non intrusive, does not require anyone to jump through hoops so someone can receive their mail (and possible the answer to their query) and is free. I don't use it but I know a number of people who do. The sender of the challenge response mail has been added to my blacklist. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[email protected] wrote: > Always supposing that the parish records exist in the first place............... That's taken as read. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

They do exist. In my original record I quoted the holdings listed in the Genuki webpage on Llawhaden. Roy On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:09 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Always supposing that the parish records exist in the first place............... > > Rachel Boyd > Meriden, CT > >

Roy Davies wrote: > Presumably there are similar problems with some other parishes. Does > anyone know if it is intended that the coverage of marriages and > burials should be comprehensive and if so when the missing periods > will be added? You would need to ask FindMyPast. They are the only ones who would have the answer. I don't imagine they will leave parished only partially covered. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Roy   I don't know the answers to your questions and I suspect neither does FMP.  Before they uploaded the recent batch including Pembs etc., I emailed them to ask when they would be doing so as all their web site said was "coming soon".  The answer I got back was along the lines of we can't tell you that because it all depends upon our partners.   So I guess that if the Welsh County Archivists Group and/or the National Library of Wales provide them with more records they will publish them!  As the Welsh County Archivists Group  is basically all the county archive offices I suspect that there won't be much new for Pembs this year, as they're in the process of moving.   Megan     ________________________________ From: Roy Davies <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 15:42 Subject: [Dyfed] Incomplete online parish records As most people on this list will know Find My Past have now uploaded online parish records for all the Welsh counties. However, I was looking at records for Llawhaden Parish in Pembrokeshire and was surprised to find that although the christening records are apparently complete, the marriage and burial records are not. Genuki's web page on Llawhaden lists the extant parish records. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Llawhaden/#ChurchRecords Christenings (1653-1980), Marriages (1653-1971) Banns (1823-1930), Burials (1653-1956) On Find My Past the coverage of Llawhaden is as follows: Christenings (1653-1908), Marriages (1813-1924),  Banns (1823-1923), Burials (1813-1956). Presumably there are similar problems with some other parishes. Does anyone know if it is intended that the coverage of marriages and burials should be comprehensive and if so when the missing periods will be added? Regards, Roy ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As most people on this list will know Find My Past have now uploaded online parish records for all the Welsh counties. However, I was looking at records for Llawhaden Parish in Pembrokeshire and was surprised to find that although the christening records are apparently complete, the marriage and burial records are not. Genuki's web page on Llawhaden lists the extant parish records. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Llawhaden/#ChurchRecords Christenings (1653-1980), Marriages (1653-1971) Banns (1823-1930), Burials (1653-1956) On Find My Past the coverage of Llawhaden is as follows: Christenings (1653-1908), Marriages (1813-1924), Banns (1823-1923), Burials (1813-1956). Presumably there are similar problems with some other parishes. Does anyone know if it is intended that the coverage of marriages and burials should be comprehensive and if so when the missing periods will be added? Regards, Roy

Always supposing that the parish records exist in the first place............... Rachel Boyd Meriden, CT ________________________________ From: Charani <[email protected]> To: Roy Davies <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Sent: Sat, July 14, 2012 4:05:45 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Incomplete online parish records Roy Davies wrote: > Presumably there are similar problems with some other parishes. Does > anyone know if it is intended that the coverage of marriages and > burials should be comprehensive and if so when the missing periods > will be added? You would need to ask FindMyPast.  They are the only ones who would have the answer.  I don't imagine they will leave parished only partially covered. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Susan.     ________________________________ From: Susan Tudor-Coulson <[email protected]> To: Megan Roberts <[email protected]> Cc: Dyfdd List <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 13 July 2012, 13:48 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Juvenile Delinquents Megan It may not have been uncommon for children to be sent to an approved school or similar institution well away from their home area. I have a case in my own research of a girl from Bethnal Green being sent to the Girls' Certified Industrial School in Stockport. Perhaps the idea was that by removing them from their home area it took them away from temptations of family and associates, made it less likely they would try to abscond and gave them a fresh start. One of this girl's cousins was enumerated in 1891 at the Girls Village Home For Orphan Neglected & Destitute Girls, Barkingside Near Ilford Essex, ie much closer to home. Her mother died when she was very young and her father was apparently disabled by an adult injury, so it's likely he was not able to take care of her. The first might have been involved in petty crime or be otherwise thought delinquent, and the second was merely unfortunate. Regards STC On 12/07/2012 15:44, Megan Roberts wrote: > I was looking through various newspaper reports of Quarter Sessions in 1871 and came across the following “TOXTETH PARK REFORMATORY - Ordered, that the sum of 1s. 6d. per week be paid for juveniles sent from the county of Monmouth to the above reformatory.” >  This intrigued me for 2 reasons.  Firstly, by today’s standards, it seems harsh to juveniles that far from home, (for those who don’t know Toxteth is in Liverpool), and secondly I wondered how common a practise this was.  Was this practised in Haverfordwest?  In my Gambold tree there is an Eliza Ann Gambold daughter of Martha Gambold, both of whom were illegitimate, (Martha had 4 such children in total), in 1881 aged 11 she is in the work house with her mother and siblings, but in 1890 she marries a widowed house painter in Birkenhead.  I have wondered how she got to Birkenhead; could this be the reason? >  Megan > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Megan It may not have been uncommon for children to be sent to an approved school or similar institution well away from their home area. I have a case in my own research of a girl from Bethnal Green being sent to the Girls' Certified Industrial School in Stockport. Perhaps the idea was that by removing them from their home area it took them away from temptations of family and associates, made it less likely they would try to abscond and gave them a fresh start. One of this girl's cousins was enumerated in 1891 at the Girls Village Home For Orphan Neglected & Destitute Girls, Barkingside Near Ilford Essex, ie much closer to home. Her mother died when she was very young and her father was apparently disabled by an adult injury, so it's likely he was not able to take care of her. The first might have been involved in petty crime or be otherwise thought delinquent, and the second was merely unfortunate. Regards STC On 12/07/2012 15:44, Megan Roberts wrote: > I was looking through various newspaper reports of Quarter Sessions in 1871 and came across the following “TOXTETH PARK REFORMATORY - Ordered, that the sum of 1s. 6d. per week be paid for juveniles sent from the county of Monmouth to the above reformatory.” > > This intrigued me for 2 reasons. Firstly, by today’s standards, it seems harsh to juveniles that far from home, (for those who don’t know Toxteth is in Liverpool), and secondly I wondered how common a practise this was. Was this practised in Haverfordwest? In my Gambold tree there is an Eliza Ann Gambold daughter of Martha Gambold, both of whom were illegitimate, (Martha had 4 such children in total), in 1881 aged 11 she is in the work house with her mother and siblings, but in 1890 she marries a widowed house painter in Birkenhead. I have wondered how she got to Birkenhead; could this be the reason? > > Megan > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would urge people to register for an account - only way these images are zoomable. Alison

Adrian Parry wrote: > But it is NOT free to see the pages!! I didn't say it was, but if you know what to look for there are alternative ways of seeing the pages - bearing in mind that look ups for unsubscribed third parties puts a subscriber's account at risk. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk