Dear Jon, Rightly or wrongly.....my printed copies of the Narberth Hundred index which includes Begelly does not show this marriage. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up > Evening all > > My CD drive has just chewed up my Dyfed FHS Pembrokeshire Pre-1813 > marriage index. > > Would SKS mind checking for the location of the marriage of the following: > > Bulkeley Philipps and Philippa Adams, 28/3/1741 > > Findmypast have put the indexed the entry and original register under > Begelly. For several reason I don't think this is right. > > Many thanks in advance > > Jon > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Please make certain the corrections get notified to FMP. It is vital we get this valuable resource as accurate as possible. And equally it is vital that FMP listen to customers feedback to achieve that. If you need any help to motivate compliance - I will be very willing to get involved. If all else fails - I will be meeting them face-to-face at WDYTYA 2013 - but I would hope this is resolved well before then. Please keep us informed as to what happens. Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 27 July 2012 02:22 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up Bettye I am convinced that the marriage didn't take place in Begelly. For some reason FMP have allocated a load of entries to Begelly that don't belong there. Registers don't survive for Begelly for the pre-1770 period in any useable form so this appears to be a mistake. My interest is to fnd out which parish these erroneous FMP entries belong to and ask FMP to re-allocate them to the correct parish. Does that make sense? The Philipps/Adams marriage is one of these entries. As Philipps was son of Sir JOhn Philipps of Picton Castle, I assume the correct parish is in Haverfordwest but I don't know, hence my question. Jon -----Original Message----- From: LC & BJ Kirkwood <[email protected]> To: dyfed <[email protected]>; jonmein <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 1:53 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up Dear Jon, Rightly or wrongly.....my printed copies of the Narberth Hundred index which includes Begelly does not show this marriage. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up > Evening all > > My CD drive has just chewed up my Dyfed FHS Pembrokeshire Pre-1813 > marriage index. > > Would SKS mind checking for the location of the marriage of the following: > > Bulkeley Philipps and Philippa Adams, 28/3/1741 > > Findmypast have put the indexed the entry and original register under > Begelly. For several reason I don't think this is right. > > Many thanks in advance > > Jon > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bettye I am convinced that the marriage didn't take place in Begelly. For some reason FMP have allocated a load of entries to Begelly that don't belong there. Registers don't survive for Begelly for the pre-1770 period in any useable form so this appears to be a mistake. My interest is to fnd out which parish these erroneous FMP entries belong to and ask FMP to re-allocate them to the correct parish. Does that make sense? The Philipps/Adams marriage is one of these entries. As Philipps was son of Sir JOhn Philipps of Picton Castle, I assume the correct parish is in Haverfordwest but I don't know, hence my question. Jon -----Original Message----- From: LC & BJ Kirkwood <[email protected]> To: dyfed <[email protected]>; jonmein <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 1:53 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up Dear Jon, Rightly or wrongly.....my printed copies of the Narberth Hundred index which includes Begelly does not show this marriage. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up > Evening all > > My CD drive has just chewed up my Dyfed FHS Pembrokeshire Pre-1813 > marriage index. > > Would SKS mind checking for the location of the marriage of the following: > > Bulkeley Philipps and Philippa Adams, 28/3/1741 > > Findmypast have put the indexed the entry and original register under > Begelly. For several reason I don't think this is right. > > Many thanks in advance > > Jon > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Evening all My CD drive has just chewed up my Dyfed FHS Pembrokeshire Pre-1813 marriage index. Would SKS mind checking for the location of the marriage of the following: Bulkeley Philipps and Philippa Adams, 28/3/1741 Findmypast have put the indexed the entry and original register under Begelly. For several reason I don't think this is right. Many thanks in advance Jon

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Tiernan" <[email protected]> To: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] CMN Amy Lewis nee Evans 1794 -1874 > Your right Bettye , I never thought of that till you pointed it out. > Most of the marriage entries on that page states with parents consent, so > maybe it could be the usual way it was done then ? > I'll check a few more on the site , & see if the wording changes. > Thank you for your kind help.much appreciated. > Jackie. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <[email protected]> > To: "Jacqueline Tiernan" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:36 AM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] CMN Amy Lewis nee Evans 1794 -1874 > > >> Dear Jackie, >> >> Amy married 1823, born c. 1794....she'd be 29...so why would she need >> consent of parents? >> Are you sure you are looking at the correct time frame? Perhaps her >> husband was under age. >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jacqueline Tiernan" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:48 AM >> Subject: [Dyfed] CMN Amy Lewis nee Evans 1794 -1874 >> >> >>> Hi List, >>> Been a while since I asked for help, but finally getting back into the >>> swing of research again , have finally found my 3 great grandparents >>> marriage entry in Llanegwad church on 23rd August 1823. >>> >>> However I find that parents are not entered, but a witness with same >>> name >>> as Thomas Lewis [my 3x great grandad] so could possibly be his father? >>> Also a George Jones of Llanegwad another witness,. >>> >>> I have tried for sometime to find a baptism of Amy Evans, to no avail, >>> she >>> was born in Meidrim about 1794. Someone kindly tried the records , >>> no luck. >>> Also tried Llanegwad as she married there.again no luck. >>> >>> I wondered about Banns , as it states with parents consent, does Banns >>> have >>> parents names on ? >>> >>> After findmypast has now included parish records of baptirms , I tried >>> again >>> for her , just putting in Carmarthen, I got 1 possible, no first name , >>> but >>> daughter of James Evans of Cilycwm no wifes name. After his name there >>> was >>> something I couldnt quite make out, if anyone has access to this , >>> maybe >>> you could let me know what you think it is. >>> >>> I am envious of people who manage to get back to very early days, I wish >>> I >>> could find her somewhere, before I finally give up & be satisfied with >>> what >>> I have found already. >>> >>> Their children apart from my great great grandma Catherine Lewis were >>> baptised in Llanegwad church, & Amy & Thomas are buried there. >>> no idea where Catherine was baptised either. >>> >>> Any help would be amazing & I thank you for your time. >>> >>> Jackie Tiernan of East Sussex [but welsh through & through] >>> >>> >>> The only way to look into the future, >>> Is by standing on the shoulders of the past. >>> >>> >>> ================================ >>> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Dear Jackie, Amy married 1823, born c. 1794....she'd be 29...so why would she need consent of parents? Are you sure you are looking at the correct time frame? Perhaps her husband was under age. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Tiernan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:48 AM Subject: [Dyfed] CMN Amy Lewis nee Evans 1794 -1874 > Hi List, > Been a while since I asked for help, but finally getting back into the > swing of research again , have finally found my 3 great grandparents > marriage entry in Llanegwad church on 23rd August 1823. > > However I find that parents are not entered, but a witness with same > name > as Thomas Lewis [my 3x great grandad] so could possibly be his father? > Also a George Jones of Llanegwad another witness,. > > I have tried for sometime to find a baptism of Amy Evans, to no avail, she > was born in Meidrim about 1794. Someone kindly tried the records , > no luck. > Also tried Llanegwad as she married there.again no luck. > > I wondered about Banns , as it states with parents consent, does Banns > have > parents names on ? > > After findmypast has now included parish records of baptirms , I tried > again > for her , just putting in Carmarthen, I got 1 possible, no first name , > but > daughter of James Evans of Cilycwm no wifes name. After his name there > was > something I couldnt quite make out, if anyone has access to this , maybe > you could let me know what you think it is. > > I am envious of people who manage to get back to very early days, I wish I > could find her somewhere, before I finally give up & be satisfied with > what > I have found already. > > Their children apart from my great great grandma Catherine Lewis were > baptised in Llanegwad church, & Amy & Thomas are buried there. > no idea where Catherine was baptised either. > > Any help would be amazing & I thank you for your time. > > Jackie Tiernan of East Sussex [but welsh through & through] > > > The only way to look into the future, > Is by standing on the shoulders of the past. > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Megan, There are lots of other Australian destinations for convicts and if he was only transported for 14 years, then he may have returned to the UK after that time. My "own" convict was sentenced similarly and was not allowed to return to Great Britain....so surprisingly he and his wife were later found, after he had completed his sentence, to have travelled to America and back to Australia as passengers....by that time he owned an hotel here, so this must have been a contrasting type of voyage for him! Regards, Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Roberts" <[email protected]> To: "Dyfdd List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Criminal Cousens?! > Dear Bettye, > > Thank you for your response. Although (as far as I know) William Cozens is > not part of my tree, I think that it is interesting to be able to trace > peoples lives. I had a look in the Prison Hulks data base and as you can > see from below he was there for about a year. The last item "how disposed > of" is very feint and I think that it says "bol", which perhaps could be > "bill of lading"? > UK, PRISON HULK REGISTERS AND LETTER BOOKS, 1802-1849 > Name: William Cozens > Age: 24 > Date Received:30 Aug 1834 > Ship: Fortitude > Place Moored: Chatham > Date Convicted: 19 Jul 1834 > Place Convicted: Haverford West, Pembrokeshire > > How disposed of- “b o l” 7th May 1835 > Assuming that William was sent to Australia, he may not have arrived; - > died during the voyage. > > Megan > > > ________________________________ > From: LC & BJ Kirkwood <[email protected]> > To: Megan Roberts <[email protected]>; Dyfdd List > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012, 2:22 > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Criminal Cousens?! > > Dear Megan, > > There is a Thomas Cousens aged 35 on the "Countess of Harcourt"...the next > entry is for the same vessel and the year shown is 1827...he was sent to > Patricks Plains, New South Wales, and his master was R. Scott. It does not > show where he was tried, or his origin.....this is from the General Return > of Convicts in New South Wales 1837.....and is the only entry shown for > the various surname spellings......so William Cozens shown below > apparently did not come to this State. > > Bettye Kirkwood. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Roberts" > <[email protected]> > To: "Dyfdd List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:43 AM > Subject: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Criminal Cousens?! > > >> I know that there are other Cousens researchers on the list and I thought >> that they might be interested in the following (I was looking for a >> record of Thomas Couzens about 1860 but did not find it, although I >> suspect the one charged with cattle stealing in 1837 is him): >> >> England& Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 (Trials in Pembrokeshire) >> >> MARGARET COZENS >> Date of Trial Jul 1827 >> Charge & Sentence Larceny / Acquittal >> >> WILLIAM COZENS >> Age 24 >> Date of Trial Summer 1834 >> Charge & sentence ??? cutting and ????? with intent / Death commuted to >> transportation 14 years >> >> MARTHA COZENS >> Age 49 >> Date of Trial 7 Jan 1835 >> Charge & sentence Larceny / Imprisonment – one month >> >> JAMES COUSENS >> Age 27 >> Date of Trial 8 Apr 1835 >> Charge & sentence Larceny / Acquittal >> >> THOMAS COZENS >> Age 27 >> Date of Trial 4 Mar 1837 >> Charge & sentence Cattle stealing / No Bill >> >> THOMAS COZENS >> Age 60 >> Date of Trial 30 Jun 1840 >> Charge & sentence Larceny / Imprisonment – one month >> >> ELIZABETH COUSINS >> Age 35 >> Date of Trial 29 Jun 1847 >> Charge & sentence Larceny / Acquittal >> >> RACHEL COZENS >> Date of Trial 1 Jul 1851 >> Charge & sentence Larceny / Acquittal >> >> ElizabethCozens >> Date of Trial 29 Jun 1852 >> Charge & sentence Larceny / Imprisonment 20 days >> >> >> The records are on Ancestry >> >> Megan >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, Been a while since I asked for help, but finally getting back into the swing of research again , have finally found my 3 great grandparents marriage entry in Llanegwad church on 23rd August 1823. However I find that parents are not entered, but a witness with same name as Thomas Lewis [my 3x great grandad] so could possibly be his father? Also a George Jones of Llanegwad another witness,. I have tried for sometime to find a baptism of Amy Evans, to no avail, she was born in Meidrim about 1794. Someone kindly tried the records , no luck. Also tried Llanegwad as she married there.again no luck. I wondered about Banns , as it states with parents consent, does Banns have parents names on ? After findmypast has now included parish records of baptirms , I tried again for her , just putting in Carmarthen, I got 1 possible, no first name , but daughter of James Evans of Cilycwm no wifes name. After his name there was something I couldnt quite make out, if anyone has access to this , maybe you could let me know what you think it is. I am envious of people who manage to get back to very early days, I wish I could find her somewhere, before I finally give up & be satisfied with what I have found already. Their children apart from my great great grandma Catherine Lewis were baptised in Llanegwad church, & Amy & Thomas are buried there. no idea where Catherine was baptised either. Any help would be amazing & I thank you for your time. Jackie Tiernan of East Sussex [but welsh through & through] The only way to look into the future, Is by standing on the shoulders of the past.

Dear Megan, There is a Thomas Cousens aged 35 on the "Countess of Harcourt"...the next entry is for the same vessel and the year shown is 1827...he was sent to Patricks Plains, New South Wales, and his master was R. Scott. It does not show where he was tried, or his origin.....this is from the General Return of Convicts in New South Wales 1837.....and is the only entry shown for the various surname spellings......so William Cozens shown below apparently did not come to this State. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Roberts" <[email protected]> To: "Dyfdd List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:43 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Criminal Cousens?! >I know that there are other Cousens researchers on the list and I thought >that they might be interested in the following (I was looking for a record >of Thomas Couzens about 1860 but did not find it, although I suspect the >one charged with cattle stealing in 1837 is him): > > England& Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 (Trials in Pembrokeshire) > > MARGARET COZENS > Date of Trial Jul 1827 > Charge & Sentence Larceny / Acquittal > > WILLIAM COZENS > Age 24 > Date of Trial Summer 1834 > Charge & sentence ??? cutting and ????? with intent / Death commuted to > transportation 14 years > > MARTHA COZENS > Age 49 > Date of Trial 7 Jan 1835 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Imprisonment – one month > > JAMES COUSENS > Age 27 > Date of Trial 8 Apr 1835 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Acquittal > > THOMAS COZENS > Age 27 > Date of Trial 4 Mar 1837 > Charge & sentence Cattle stealing / No Bill > > THOMAS COZENS > Age 60 > Date of Trial 30 Jun 1840 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Imprisonment – one month > > ELIZABETH COUSINS > Age 35 > Date of Trial 29 Jun 1847 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Acquittal > > RACHEL COZENS > Date of Trial 1 Jul 1851 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Acquittal > > ElizabethCozens > Date of Trial 29 Jun 1852 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Imprisonment 20 days > > > The records are on Ancestry > > Megan > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Bettye,   Thank you for your response.  Although (as far as I know) William Cozens is not part of my tree, I think that it is interesting to be able to trace peoples lives.  I had a look in the Prison Hulks data base and as you can see from below he was there for about a year.  The last item "how disposed of" is very feint and I think that it says "bol", which perhaps could be "bill of lading"?   UK, PRISON HULK REGISTERS AND LETTER BOOKS, 1802-1849 Name:  William Cozens Age:     24 Date Received:30 Aug 1834 Ship:     Fortitude Place Moored:  Chatham Date Convicted:            19 Jul 1834 Place Convicted:           Haverford West, Pembrokeshire   How disposed of- “b o l” 7th May 1835 Assuming that William was sent to Australia, he may not have arrived; - died during the voyage.   Megan ________________________________ From: LC & BJ Kirkwood <[email protected]> To: Megan Roberts <[email protected]>; Dyfdd List <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012, 2:22 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Criminal Cousens?! Dear Megan, There is a Thomas Cousens aged 35 on the "Countess of Harcourt"...the next entry is for the same vessel and the year shown is 1827...he was sent to Patricks Plains, New South Wales, and his master was R. Scott.  It does not show where he was tried, or his origin.....this is from the General Return of Convicts in New South Wales 1837.....and is the only entry shown for the various surname spellings......so  William Cozens shown below apparently did not come to this State. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Roberts" <[email protected]> To: "Dyfdd List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:43 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Criminal Cousens?! > I know that there are other Cousens researchers on the list and I thought that they might be interested in the following (I was looking for a record of Thomas Couzens about 1860 but did not find it, although I suspect the one charged with cattle stealing in 1837 is him): > > England& Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 (Trials in Pembrokeshire) > > MARGARET COZENS > Date of Trial Jul 1827 > Charge & Sentence Larceny / Acquittal > > WILLIAM COZENS > Age 24 > Date of Trial Summer 1834 > Charge & sentence ??? cutting and ????? with intent / Death commuted to transportation 14 years > > MARTHA COZENS > Age 49 > Date of Trial 7 Jan 1835 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Imprisonment – one month > > JAMES COUSENS > Age 27 > Date of Trial 8 Apr 1835 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Acquittal > > THOMAS COZENS > Age 27 > Date of Trial 4 Mar 1837 > Charge & sentence Cattle stealing / No Bill > > THOMAS COZENS > Age 60 > Date of Trial 30 Jun 1840 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Imprisonment – one month > > ELIZABETH COUSINS > Age 35 > Date of Trial 29 Jun 1847 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Acquittal > > RACHEL COZENS > Date of Trial 1 Jul 1851 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Acquittal > > ElizabethCozens > Date of Trial 29 Jun 1852 > Charge & sentence Larceny / Imprisonment 20 days > > > The records are on Ancestry > > Megan > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know that there are other Cousens researchers on the list and I thought that they might be interested in the following (I was looking for a record of Thomas Couzens about 1860 but did not find it, although I suspect the one charged with cattle stealing in 1837 is him):   England& Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 (Trials in Pembrokeshire)   MARGARET COZENS Date of Trial     Jul 1827 Charge & Sentence      Larceny / Acquittal   WILLIAM COZENS Age      24 Date of Trial     Summer 1834 Charge & sentence       ??? cutting and ????? with intent / Death commuted to transportation 14 years   MARTHA COZENS Age      49 Date of Trial     7 Jan 1835 Charge & sentence       Larceny / Imprisonment – one month   JAMES COUSENS Age      27 Date of Trial     8 Apr 1835 Charge & sentence       Larceny / Acquittal   THOMAS COZENS Age      27 Date of Trial     4 Mar 1837 Charge & sentence       Cattle stealing / No Bill   THOMAS COZENS Age      60 Date of Trial     30 Jun 1840 Charge & sentence       Larceny / Imprisonment – one month   ELIZABETH COUSINS Age      35 Date of Trial     29 Jun 1847 Charge & sentence       Larceny / Acquittal   RACHEL COZENS Date of Trial     1 Jul 1851 Charge & sentence       Larceny / Acquittal   ElizabethCozens Date of Trial     29 Jun 1852 Charge & sentence       Larceny / Imprisonment 20 days     The records are on Ancestry   Megan

Thank you Michael. Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 18 July 2012 08:00 To: [email protected] Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 7, Issue 173 Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. Today's Topics: 1. Re: DYFED Digest, Vol 7, Issue 172 [Henry ROACH] (michael oram) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:07:23 +0100 (BST) From: michael oram <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 7, Issue 172 [Henry ROACH] To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Bob and Rachel Henry ROACH is in Hook Quay, Llangwm, PEMB as copy transcript below from Findmypast. He is listed as b 1816, but ages were rounded for adults. Name Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image ROBERTS, George M 50 1791 Pembrokeshire VIEW ROBERTS, Mary F 50 1791 Pembrokeshire VIEW ROBERTS, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Pembrokeshire VIEW ROACH, Henry M 25 1816 Pembrokeshire VIEW Piece: 1449 Book/Folio: 14/7 Page: 6?? ?? Registration District: Haverfordwest Civil Parish: Llangwm Municipal Borough: Address: Hook Quay, Llangwm County: Pembrokeshire Regards Michael and Penny Oram ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012, 8:00 Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 7, Issue 172 Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. Today's Topics: ? ? 2. Re: Pembrokeshire Records (Bob Sanders) ? 3. Re: Pembrokeshire Records ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob I don't know if I have corresponded with you previously about the Roach/Roches in my grandmother's line.? Henry Roach was a contemporary of your Michael, born 1811 Freystrop per several census..? I never found him in 1841 though, and can't say if he is related to Michael, although I think a good possibility. He died 1885 H'west. Sometimes families move together, so here is a brief accounting of where I have documented my Roaches: His wife Sarah was born in LLangwm (various spellings) as were all his children, the eldest being Henry too, born 1845, who married Ellen/Helen Birch my ggmother's sister. The first 5 of 13 children were born in H'west. Henry?II changed the spelling of the name to Roche, and moved to Bedminster/Bristol, Somerset where 8 more children were born. Most of them married in that area, except Florence married in 1886 Walsall Staffordshire; Bernard married 1910 Worksop, Notts. That is all. Rachel Boyd Meriden, CT ? ? ? Thanks for you message. Yes he could turn up in some parish outside Pembrokeshire, especially if his father also worked for HM or was a seaman. I have? done some checking of other areas but not found him as yet. Regards Bob ------------------------------ To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DYFED Digest, Vol 7, Issue 172 ************************************* ------------------------------ To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DYFED Digest, Vol 7, Issue 173 *************************************

Hello Bob and Rachel Henry ROACH is in Hook Quay, Llangwm, PEMB as copy transcript below from Findmypast. He is listed as b 1816, but ages were rounded for adults. Name Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image ROBERTS, George M 50 1791 Pembrokeshire VIEW ROBERTS, Mary F 50 1791 Pembrokeshire VIEW ROBERTS, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Pembrokeshire VIEW ROACH, Henry M 25 1816 Pembrokeshire VIEW Piece: 1449 Book/Folio: 14/7 Page: 6      Registration District: Haverfordwest Civil Parish: Llangwm Municipal Borough: Address: Hook Quay, Llangwm County: Pembrokeshire Regards Michael and Penny Oram ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012, 8:00 Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 7, Issue 172 Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. Today's Topics:     2. Re: Pembrokeshire Records (Bob Sanders)   3. Re: Pembrokeshire Records ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob I don't know if I have corresponded with you previously about the Roach/Roches in my grandmother's line.? Henry Roach was a contemporary of your Michael, born 1811 Freystrop per several census..? I never found him in 1841 though, and can't say if he is related to Michael, although I think a good possibility. He died 1885 H'west. Sometimes families move together, so here is a brief accounting of where I have documented my Roaches: His wife Sarah was born in LLangwm (various spellings) as were all his children, the eldest being Henry too, born 1845, who married Ellen/Helen Birch my ggmother's sister. The first 5 of 13 children were born in H'west. Henry?II changed the spelling of the name to Roche, and moved to Bedminster/Bristol, Somerset where 8 more children were born. Most of them married in that area, except Florence married in 1886 Walsall Staffordshire; Bernard married 1910 Worksop, Notts. That is all. Rachel Boyd Meriden, CT ? ? ? Thanks for you message. Yes he could turn up in some parish outside Pembrokeshire, especially if his father also worked for HM or was a seaman. I have? done some checking of other areas but not found him as yet. Regards Bob ------------------------------ To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DYFED Digest, Vol 7, Issue 172 *************************************

Lynne Many thanks for looking at Pembrokeshire People. I had done a check of the book at the Library but couldn't find him, but it is (sort of) good to hear that you cannot find him either as I was wondering if I had missed him in the book. Betty Thanks for you message. Yes he could turn up in some parish outside Pembrokeshire, especially if his father also worked for HM or was a seaman. I have done some checking of other areas but not found him as yet. Regards Bob

Photos of: St Cynog's Church, Penderyn; Soar Chapel, Penderyn, BRE; St Cynog's Church, Defynnog, BRE (interior shots) Dear Listers, The latest subjects to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' are: St Cynog's Church, Penderyn, Breconshire (Photography by C R Lewis and John Ball) Soar / Zoar Independent Chapel, Penderyn, Breconshire (Photography by John Ball) I have also added a selection of new interior shots to the existing feature on St Cynog's Church, Defynnog, Breconshire. (Photography by John Ball). Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/search-fram.htm and scroll down the index to the relevant Penderyn and Defynnog links. I now have over 300 different churches and chapels in my online collection. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society: www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsblfhs/

Dear Bob, Thank you for the information. From memory, one of mine turned up having a child baptised in the Cardiganshire records.....don't know why he was there as he was prior to and afterwards in Pembrokeshire, but I guess it was work-related. I'd have to check, but I think he was a Wesleyan. Best of luck with your search. Bettye K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Sanders" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:58 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Records > Charani > > No intention on my part to complain. I have done enough research and > transcribing over the last 40 years to be well aware of the difficulties. > My > website mainly contains records relating to Glamorgan ( Cardiff & The Vale > in particular) and Cardiff maritime records. It's at > http://www.glamorganfamilyhistory.co.uk/ if anyone is interested. > > Bettye > > Many thanks for your suggestion and offer. I have been in touch with > Pembroke Record Office and they have done some checking of Llanstadwell > baptisms for my chap without success, 'though they were extremely helpful. > I > have his marriage at Hubberston in 1836 but his birth/baptism is very > elusive. I am about to get the Record Office to search the non-conformist > records for him as his son was certainly a Wesleyan. I have copies of > letters from the Wesleyan Minister and the British School Master at > Pembroke > Dock recommending him for a scholarship to Borough Rd Teacher Training > College in 1856. > > Just in case anyone knows anything about him my great great grandfather > was > Michael Roch/Roach probably born between 1810 and 1818 at one of the > several > places called Shipping in Pembrokeshire. He was a shipwright at HM > Dockyards, initially at Pembroke then at Sheerness, then back to Pembroke > and later at Woolwich where he died in 1891. > > By the way I have posted similar queries to the list on several occasions > over the years. Some ancestors just don't want us to find them ! > > Regards > > Bob Sanders > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Bob I don't know if I have corresponded with you previously about the Roach/Roches in my grandmother's line.  Henry Roach was a contemporary of your Michael, born 1811 Freystrop per several census..  I never found him in 1841 though, and can't say if he is related to Michael, although I think a good possibility. He died 1885 H'west. Sometimes families move together, so here is a brief accounting of where I have documented my Roaches: His wife Sarah was born in LLangwm (various spellings) as were all his children, the eldest being Henry too, born 1845, who married Ellen/Helen Birch my ggmother's sister. The first 5 of 13 children were born in H'west. Henry II changed the spelling of the name to Roche, and moved to Bedminster/Bristol, Somerset where 8 more children were born. Most of them married in that area, except Florence married in 1886 Walsall Staffordshire; Bernard married 1910 Worksop, Notts. That is all. Rachel Boyd Meriden, CT       ________________________________ From: Bob Sanders <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, July 16, 2012 4:41:25 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pembrokeshire Records Lynne Many thanks for looking at Pembrokeshire People. I had done a check of the book at the Library but couldn't find him, but it is (sort of) good to hear that you cannot find him either as I was wondering if I had missed him in the book. Betty Thanks for you message. Yes he could turn up in some parish outside Pembrokeshire, especially if his father also worked for HM or was a seaman. I have  done some checking of other areas but not found him as yet. Regards Bob ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Charani No intention on my part to complain. I have done enough research and transcribing over the last 40 years to be well aware of the difficulties. My website mainly contains records relating to Glamorgan ( Cardiff & The Vale in particular) and Cardiff maritime records. It's at http://www.glamorganfamilyhistory.co.uk/ if anyone is interested. Bettye Many thanks for your suggestion and offer. I have been in touch with Pembroke Record Office and they have done some checking of Llanstadwell baptisms for my chap without success, 'though they were extremely helpful. I have his marriage at Hubberston in 1836 but his birth/baptism is very elusive. I am about to get the Record Office to search the non-conformist records for him as his son was certainly a Wesleyan. I have copies of letters from the Wesleyan Minister and the British School Master at Pembroke Dock recommending him for a scholarship to Borough Rd Teacher Training College in 1856. Just in case anyone knows anything about him my great great grandfather was Michael Roch/Roach probably born between 1810 and 1818 at one of the several places called Shipping in Pembrokeshire. He was a shipwright at HM Dockyards, initially at Pembroke then at Sheerness, then back to Pembroke and later at Woolwich where he died in 1891. By the way I have posted similar queries to the list on several occasions over the years. Some ancestors just don't want us to find them ! Regards Bob Sanders

Dear Bob, Some of us who have been around for a while have purchased records. If you have a special query or request why not ask.....it used to work wonderfully well on this List in the past. I have the Llanstadwell marriages as part of the Marriages Index in Rhos Hundred from 1716 up to 1812 and would happily look at a particular surname for you if you have not already investigated these. Likewise if you seek a possible marriage between 1813 and 1837 the Pembrokeshire Index should have that listed also. Of course, these newer sites cover a longer time period....and I don't have any of those, or witnesses, or any of the other peripheral info. but the aim of this List has always been to help if possible. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Sanders" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: [Dyfed] FMP Pembrokeshire Records > Some parishes are missing altogether. I was looking for records for > Llanstadwell but there are none on FMP. > > Bob > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

If no-one actually plans to formally ask FindMyPast and get clarification in writing - then I don't mind doing it. The quickest way to do this is via their Facebook site. Brain -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 14 July 2012 21:05 To: Roy Davies Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Incomplete online parish records Roy Davies wrote: > Presumably there are similar problems with some other parishes. Does > anyone know if it is intended that the coverage of marriages and > burials should be comprehensive and if so when the missing periods > will be added? You would need to ask FindMyPast. They are the only ones who would have the answer. I don't imagine they will leave parished only partially covered. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message