My grateful thanks to Jon & Bettye for information on my GETHIN'S. In the previous generations they married in to the DAWKINS family of Kilvrough near Swansea, and my lot,the FRANKLIN'S,[and Variants] back to a William FRANKLIN who was around in 1400. He inherited Land from Thomas FRANKLIN the Abbot of Neath & Margam. Although I have no idea if he was William's dad or just a relation? One of my ancestors was Jenkin FRANKLIN born around 1460 and died in 1485. Which is when the Battle of Bosworth Field took place. I wonder if he was involved in that Skirmish? Cheers and Thanks again. Graham Williams in Canton,Cardiff. Glam;FHS;551. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:25 AM, LC & BJ Kirkwood <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Robert, > > There are no listed marriages for the surname Gethin in the part of the > Pemb. index which includes the Tenby area pre 1813, but in the Francis Green > version of the 1661 King's Benevolence...the Free and Voluntary Present to > His Majesty (i.e. to help Charles II with his debts), in the Town of Tenby a > Rowland "Gething", gent gave 8 shillings. The largest sum donated from this > particular area was 20 shillings by Reeve Williams Esq., Richard Wyatt, > Alderman and Mistress Mary Bowen, a widow. Only four others gave 10 > shillings and the majority gave a shilling or two. > Your Rowland obviously thought more of his brothers than he did his King. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert williams" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:56 AM > Subject: [Dyfed] Tenby Records. > > >> Would anyone know if there are Records available for people in local >> government offices in the Tenby area for the >> 17th; & 18th; century’s? >> I have a few of my GETHIN family who were maybe resident in Tenby during >> the period. >> >> A George GETHIN was on board the Ship HMS;Princess Augusta at Tenby in >> 1745. >> My Ancestor Robert GETHIN was of Tenby when he sold the rights to >> Nicholaston Hall in Glamorgan to his son-in-law William >> ROGERS of Swansea for 150 pounds on the 25th;of may 1692. >> There was also a Mr;Robert GETHIN,alderman,esq; of Tenby in 1733. >> He may have been the same man as above? >> The above from Haverfordwest Arhives. >> >> I also have details of a few “Will’s”off the N>L>W;Website. >> Rowland GETHIN left money to his brother’s in 1662. >> One of them Robert Above was the Executor. >> He gave his brother Thomas 70 pounds.Another Brother Griffith 60 pounds. >> Rowland was of Tenby & Bishopston[Gower,South Wales] >> >> Graham in Cardiff. >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > -- From:- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Glam;FHS;#551. "Genealogy",Where Progress is made going Backwards."

Dear Robert, There are no listed marriages for the surname Gethin in the part of the Pemb. index which includes the Tenby area pre 1813, but in the Francis Green version of the 1661 King's Benevolence...the Free and Voluntary Present to His Majesty (i.e. to help Charles II with his debts), in the Town of Tenby a Rowland "Gething", gent gave 8 shillings. The largest sum donated from this particular area was 20 shillings by Reeve Williams Esq., Richard Wyatt, Alderman and Mistress Mary Bowen, a widow. Only four others gave 10 shillings and the majority gave a shilling or two. Your Rowland obviously thought more of his brothers than he did his King. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:56 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Tenby Records. > Would anyone know if there are Records available for people in local > government offices in the Tenby area for the > 17th; & 18th; century’s? > I have a few of my GETHIN family who were maybe resident in Tenby during > the period. > > A George GETHIN was on board the Ship HMS;Princess Augusta at Tenby in > 1745. > My Ancestor Robert GETHIN was of Tenby when he sold the rights to > Nicholaston Hall in Glamorgan to his son-in-law William > ROGERS of Swansea for 150 pounds on the 25th;of may 1692. > There was also a Mr;Robert GETHIN,alderman,esq; of Tenby in 1733. > He may have been the same man as above? > The above from Haverfordwest Arhives. > > I also have details of a few “Will’s”off the N>L>W;Website. > Rowland GETHIN left money to his brother’s in 1662. > One of them Robert Above was the Executor. > He gave his brother Thomas 70 pounds.Another Brother Griffith 60 pounds. > Rowland was of Tenby & Bishopston[Gower,South Wales] > > Graham in Cardiff. > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if the king had to support his illegitimate children.  Could the women sue him for child support back then? Rachel CT, USA ________________________________ From: robert williams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, August 1, 2012 12:55:40 PM Subject: [Dyfed] GETHIN[G]Of Tenby. Again,my Thanks to Bettye,and also to Dai. King Charles II having Debts in 1661? Probably Gambling Debts? Although he had 19 Illegitimate children later,or rather his Various Mistresses had them. He,if you pardon the Pun,just ”Sired”them! Cheers Graham. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Graham, Only the Rhos Hundred is on the LE. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~walesle/pem/chrec.htm Dai On 31/07/2012 18:41, robert williams wrote: > My thanks to Jon and Glyn regarding the above. > Would either of you know what dates are covered pre 1813 please? > And are the indexes available to look at via the "All Wales Lookup Exchange" > would you know please? > If so,I may drop someone a few requests for lookups. > Many Thanks again, > Graham in Cardiff. > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Graham The Tenby Borough archive appears to be split between Tenby Museum and the record office at Haverfordwest although only the Museum's collection appears to contain anything from the pre-1750 period. There's a useful bibliography for both collections (including a box list for the Museum collection) on the following web site created as part of the 'Resorts' Project' based at the University of Aberystwyth. http://www.aber.ac.uk/en/history/research-projects/resortsproject/ You might want to contact the Museum to see if they have a fuller catalogue. BTW - Robert Gethin (will, 1733): some of his descendants farmed at Dawes, Begelly, well into the 1900s. I have some more information so contact me off line if you are interested. Jon -----Original Message----- From: robert williams <[email protected]> To: dyfed <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:57 Subject: [Dyfed] Tenby Records. Would anyone know if there are Records available for people in local government offices in the Tenby area for the 17th; & 18th; century’s? I have a few of my GETHIN family who were maybe resident in Tenby during the period. A George GETHIN was on board the Ship HMS;Princess Augusta at Tenby in 1745. My Ancestor Robert GETHIN was of Tenby when he sold the rights to Nicholaston Hall in Glamorgan to his son-in-law William ROGERS of Swansea for 150 pounds on the 25th;of may 1692. There was also a Mr;Robert GETHIN,alderman,esq; of Tenby in 1733. He may have been the same man as above? The above from Haverfordwest Arhives. I also have details of a few “Will’s”off the N>L>W;Website. Rowland GETHIN left money to his brother’s in 1662. One of them Robert Above was the Executor. He gave his brother Thomas 70 pounds.Another Brother Griffith 60 pounds. Rowland was of Tenby & Bishopston[Gower,South Wales] Graham in Cardiff. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would anyone know if there are Records available for people in local government offices in the Tenby area for the 17th; & 18th; century’s? I have a few of my GETHIN family who were maybe resident in Tenby during the period. A George GETHIN was on board the Ship HMS;Princess Augusta at Tenby in 1745. My Ancestor Robert GETHIN was of Tenby when he sold the rights to Nicholaston Hall in Glamorgan to his son-in-law William ROGERS of Swansea for 150 pounds on the 25th;of may 1692. There was also a Mr;Robert GETHIN,alderman,esq; of Tenby in 1733. He may have been the same man as above? The above from Haverfordwest Arhives. I also have details of a few “Will’s”off the N>L>W;Website. Rowland GETHIN left money to his brother’s in 1662. One of them Robert Above was the Executor. He gave his brother Thomas 70 pounds.Another Brother Griffith 60 pounds. Rowland was of Tenby & Bishopston[Gower,South Wales] Graham in Cardiff.

My thanks to Jon and Glyn regarding the above. Would either of you know what dates are covered pre 1813 please? And are the indexes available to look at via the "All Wales Lookup Exchange" would you know please? If so,I may drop someone a few requests for lookups. Many Thanks again, Graham in Cardiff.

Photos of: St Cadfarch's Church, Penegoes, MGY; Bethesda Chapel, Penegoes, MGY Dear Listers, The latest subjects to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' are: St Cadfarch's Church, Penegoes, Montgomeryshire (Photography by John Ball and Google StreetView) Bethesda Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Penegoes, Montgomeryshire (Photography by John Ball and Google StreetView) Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/search-fram.htm and scroll down the index to the relevant Penegoes links. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society: www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsblfhs/

The Newport Pembrokeshire Local History Exhibition will take place on 3rd to 5th August at the Memorial Hall, West Street, Newport from 10am- 4pm.   Very limited parking in the vacinity of the hall, suggest the car park in Long Street (20p/hr).   If you are stuck with your Newport family history or just want a flavour of the past in the town do come along. You aremost welcome to bring along any memorobilia.   Reg Davies   Organising committee   ________________________________

Dyfed FHS Material on CD. The Society has removed from the web site the material on CD while we conduct a review of the content. Our ultimate aim is that all the material will be on CD. Meanwhile if anyone would like a copy of the Parish Marriage Indexes I can arrange for a copy to be sent. Pembrokeshire Marriages 1813-1837 Pembrokeshire Marriages before 1813 And the same for Carmarthenshire and Cardiganshire. Contact me off list for details. Glyn Editor, Dyfed FHS Journal Greetings I see much evidence in the listings of the Pembrokeshire Marriage indexes. Could someone who has this index please explain what is covered,and what dates they cover? And who is selling them please? Cheers Graham. Graham The indexes are produced by the Dyfed FHS. Take a look at the following web site for further details. I bought my copy on CD some years back covering the whole county. However, I am not clear from looking at the site how you would order the material on CD now. http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/publications.php Jon

Greetings I see much evidence in the listings of the Pembrokeshire Marriage indexes. Could someone who has this index please explain what is covered,and what dates they cover? And who is selling them please? Cheers Graham. -- From:- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Glam;FHS;#551. "Genealogy",Where Progress is made going Backwards."

Graham The indexes are produced by the Dyfed FHS. Take a look at the following web site for further details. I bought my copy on CD some years back covering the whole county. However, I am not clear from looking at the site how you would order the material on CD now. http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/publications.php Jon -----Original Message----- From: robert williams <[email protected]> To: dyfed <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:13 Subject: [Dyfed] pembs;marriage index. Greetings I see much evidence in the listings of the Pembrokeshire Marriage indexes. Could someone who has this index please explain what is covered,and what dates they cover? And who is selling them please? Cheers Graham. -- From:- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Glam;FHS;#551. "Genealogy",Where Progress is made going Backwards." ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynne Ingalls wrote: > Thanks Charani. These websites don’t seem to have records back that far. The British Jewry list should have someone (or several someones) who can go back that far. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Ethnic-Jewish/BRITISH-JEWRY.html > I was wondering if there was a Jewish colony in Pembrokeshire or around > Carmarthen in the 1700's? There very likely was. I have an ISSITT family who were reputedly originally Jewish in Monmouthshire in the later half of the 1800s and who are said to have been moving eastwards. I haven't done anything on that family for quite a while now. This link doesn't give a lot of information but it's a possible start point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Wales It lists some books which you may be able to get through your local library that may help. > I know there were Flemish colonies in SW > Wales and the Quakers at Milford Haven, but I've not heard if there were > any Jewish colonies. I'm particularly interested in the Ashkenazi. Although I have both, most of mine were Sephardic. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Lynne Ingalls wrote: > What can anyone tell me about Jewish people living in Pembrokeshire > or Carmarthen in the mid to late 1700’s? Were they Sephardic or Ashenazic Jews? You could try the British Jewry list or one of the following sites: www.jewishgen.org/ or www.jewishgen.org/databases/UK/ www.jgsgb.org.uk/index.shtml http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/jewish/religiousrecords/religiousrecords.htm -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Lynne, I know of one specific instance: Samuel Levi came to Pembrokeshire and was befriended by a Phillips family. In gratitude he changed his family name to Phillips. Samuel's son (? or was he a grandson) Nathaniel Phillips owned a bank in Haverfordwest, which crashed in the 1826 squeeze. I am sure there is an article in WWHR, the Francis Green books. Regards Bill G-J In a message dated 28/07/2012 14:37:52 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: List Members - What can anyone tell me about Jewish people living in Pembrokeshire or Carmarthen in the mid to late 1700’s? Lynne in Tucson ================================

Hi Jon A licence was issued 27 Mar 1741 for the marriage of Bulkeley Philipps of Haverfordwest and "Phillis" Adams (St Davids marriage bonds, National Library of Wales). Often the parish is specified but, in this case, it is not. However, it looks like the marriage took place at Bosherston. The Pembrokeshire marriage index (Bosherston parish) contains the entry: 1741, Mar 28 (L) - Bulkeley Philipps Esq = Mrs Philippa Adams This is corroborated by the transcript of Bosherston Registers made by the former Vicar of Bosherston. They are on-line at: http://www.revjones.fsnet.co.uk/stackgrpreg/bowed.htm I do not have a subscription to Findmypast but it is possible to make searches without. They have clearly misplaced marriages occurring at Bosherston, attributing them to Begelly instead. I checked two further marriages from the Begelly index: Henry Rowe and Alice Meare(s) in 1732 and Peter Courtenay and Mary Jones in 1739. Both are listed as Begelly in the Findmypast index. As to why Bulkeley Philipps and Philippa Adams married at Bosherston, I do not know. Jonathan Pike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up Evening all My CD drive has just chewed up my Dyfed FHS Pembrokeshire Pre-1813 marriage index. Would SKS mind checking for the location of the marriage of the following: Bulkeley Philipps and Philippa Adams, 28/3/1741 Findmypast have put the indexed the entry and original register under Begelly. For several reason I don't think this is right. Many thanks in advance Jon ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Charani. These websites don’t seem to have records back that far. I was wondering if there was a Jewish colony in Pembrokeshire or around Carmarthen in the 1700's? I know there were Flemish colonies in SW Wales and the Quakers at Milford Haven, but I've not heard if there were any Jewish colonies. I'm particularly interested in the Ashkenazi. Lynne -----Original Message----- From: Charani Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 6:55 AM To: Lynne Ingalls Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Jews in Pembrokeshire Lynne Ingalls wrote: > What can anyone tell me about Jewish people living in Pembrokeshire > or Carmarthen in the mid to late 1700’s? Were they Sephardic or Ashenazic Jews? You could try the British Jewry list or one of the following sites: www.jewishgen.org/ or www.jewishgen.org/databases/UK/ www.jgsgb.org.uk/index.shtml http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/jewish/religiousrecords/religiousrecords.htm -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

List Members - What can anyone tell me about Jewish people living in Pembrokeshire or Carmarthen in the mid to late 1700’s? Lynne in Tucson

Jonathan Many thanks. You have solved the conundrum. I checked the link you provided for baptisms/burials and these similarly have been mis-filed on FMP. I will drop the company an email. Thanks also to others for their comments. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Pike <[email protected]> To: dyfed <[email protected]>; jonmein <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 9:41 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up Hi Jon A licence was issued 27 Mar 1741 for the marriage of Bulkeley Philipps of Haverfordwest and "Phillis" Adams (St Davids marriage bonds, National Library of Wales). Often the parish is specified but, in this case, it is not. However, it looks like the marriage took place at Bosherston. The Pembrokeshire marriage index (Bosherston parish) contains the entry: 1741, Mar 28 (L) - Bulkeley Philipps Esq = Mrs Philippa Adams This is corroborated by the transcript of Bosherston Registers made by the former Vicar of Bosherston. They are on-line at: http://www.revjones.fsnet.co.uk/stackgrpreg/bowed.htm I do not have a subscription to Findmypast but it is possible to make searches without. They have clearly misplaced marriages occurring at Bosherston, attributing them to Begelly instead. I checked two further marriages from the Begelly index: Henry Rowe and Alice Meare(s) in 1732 and Peter Courtenay and Mary Jones in 1739. Both are listed as Begelly in the Findmypast index. As to why Bulkeley Philipps and Philippa Adams married at Bosherston, I do not know. Jonathan Pike

If it helps you in talking to FMP, according to them they have the following parish records for Begelly:  BEGELLY       From    To        Number of entries Banns               1771    1808    112 Baptisms          1670    1912    3647 Burials              1670    1934    2428 Marriages         1670    1926    1714   Megan ________________________________ From: Brian P. Swann <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 10:05 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up Please make certain the corrections get notified to FMP. It is vital we get this valuable resource as accurate as possible.  And equally it is vital that FMP listen to customers feedback to achieve that. If you need any help to motivate compliance - I will be very willing to get involved. If all else fails - I will be meeting them face-to-face at WDYTYA 2013 - but I would hope this is resolved well before then. Please keep us informed as to what happens. Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 27 July 2012 02:22 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up Bettye I am convinced that the marriage didn't take place in Begelly. For some reason FMP have allocated a load of entries to Begelly that don't belong there. Registers don't survive for Begelly for the pre-1770 period in any useable form so this appears to be a mistake. My interest is to fnd out which parish these erroneous FMP entries belong to and ask FMP to re-allocate them to the correct parish. Does that make sense? The Philipps/Adams marriage is one of these entries. As Philipps was son of Sir JOhn Philipps of Picton Castle, I assume the correct parish is in Haverfordwest but I don't know, hence my question. Jon -----Original Message----- From: LC & BJ Kirkwood <[email protected]> To: dyfed <[email protected]>; jonmein <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 1:53 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up Dear Jon, Rightly or wrongly.....my printed copies of the Narberth Hundred index which includes Begelly does not show this marriage. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Pem: Marriage look-up > Evening all > > My CD drive has just chewed up my Dyfed FHS Pembrokeshire Pre-1813 > marriage index. > > Would SKS mind checking for the location of the marriage of the following: > > Bulkeley Philipps and Philippa Adams, 28/3/1741 > > Findmypast have put the indexed the entry and original register under > Begelly. For several reason I don't think this is right. > > Many thanks in advance > > Jon > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message