Hello Ian and Betty, Very many thanks for the excellent information showing that this Newport family had in fact emigrated to Australia. I can confirm that the names of their parents on their death certificates you found Ian were correct. One wondered if any descendants exist. It show the usefulness of the Dyfed list.   Reg Davies http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/

Buddug & Lynne, Swansea is well outside the area. I would expect to find the marriage, if they married locally, in Aberystwyth, Aberaeron, Tregaron or Lampeter Registration Districts. The only possible marriages I can find between March Qtr 1849 and Dec Qtr 1852 for a Daniel Jones and Jane Jones are given below. Marriages Mar 1849 Humphreys Anne Aberystwyth 27 27 Jones Daniel Aberystwith 27 27 Jones Evan Aberystwith 27 27 Jones Jane Aberystwyth 27 27 Jones John Aberystwith 27 27 Knight William Aberystwyth 27 27 Owens Mary Aberystwith 27 27 Thomas Margaret Aberystwith 27 27 Marriages Dec 1849 Bowen John Carmarthen 26 839 Charles Mary Carmarthen 26 839 Davies John Carmarthen 26 839 Jones Daniel Carmarthen 26 839 Jones Jane Carmarthen 26 839 Walters David Carmarthen 26 839 Walters Mary Carmarthen 26 839 Williams Sarah Carmarthen 26 839 Searching for marriages for both Daniel Jones and Jane Jones separately, brings up a number of avenues to research. There are an odd number listed, which suggests that there is a missing male or female. Marriages Dec 1850 Jones Daniel Aberayron 27 * Marriages Sep 1850 Jones Daniel Lampeter 27 72 Marriages Mar 1851 Jones Daniel Lampeter 27 74 Marriages Jun 1851 Jones Daniel Lampeter 27 73 Morgans Richard Aberystwyth 27 73 Williams Anne Lampeter 27 73 Marriages Mar 1852 Jones Jane Tregaron 11b 154 Marriages Jun 1852 Jones Jane Aberystwith 11b * Marriages Sep 1852 Jones Jane Aberystwyth 11b 89 Morris Thomas Aberystwyth 11b 89 Poole Hannah Aberystwyth 11b 89 Marriages Sep 1849 Davies David Aberayron 27 15 Ellis David Aberayron 27 15 Jenkins Sarah Aberayron 27 15 Jones Jane Aberayron 27 15 JONES Thomas Aberayron 27 15 Price Margaret Thomas Aberayron 27 15 Rees John Jenkin Aberayron 27 15 Thomas Ann Aberayron 27 15 Thomas Margaret Aberayron 27 15 Plenty of suggestions for further research. Best wishes, Achwr ======================================== Message Received: Aug 23 2013, 09:06 PM From: "Lynne Ingalls" <lynne.ingalls@comcast.net> To: "Buddug Hollett" <BUDDUGH@talktalk.net>, "dyfed" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] lledrod baptisms Buddug - There's a Daniel Jones marriage listed on FreeBMD, Apr-Jun 1852 at Swansea. On the same list is a Sarah Jane Lobbett. Maybe? Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Buddug Hollett Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:41 PM To: dyfed Subject: [Dyfed] lledrod baptisms Hi In my previous email regarding some help with 3 baptisms in Lledrod , I have now found some more information on these so ,please ignore my request . However , I'm still trying to locate the marriage of Daniel and Jane Jones in Lledrod . My apologies to anyone for any possible inconvenience Diolch Buddug Hollett ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

2. Re: DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 175 - #7 - Griffith and Elizabeth (Eleanor?) James (Ian Thomas) One correction to my reply of 22 August 2013 -- Griffith and Elizabeth's first child (also Elizabeth) was born at Melbourne in 1858 (_not_ 1855). There were 20526 births registered in Victoria in 1858, so #10360 would be roughly mid-year. As the Marco Polo didn't arrive until July, the birth must have been imminent (she wasn't identified as a Marine birth). As a fast, narrow clipper, the Marco Polo would probably have rolled quite a bit in heavy seas in mid-winter, and it could hardly have been a comfortable trip for the mother to be. Ships like the Marco Polo often travelled a "modified Great Circle route", circling across to South America and then down west of the Cape of Good Hope into the Southern Ocean as far as the ice would allow, before approaching Victoria from the southwest, sometimes running with gale force winds behind them and aiming for a 60-mile gap between Cape Otway (Victoria) and King Is. (Tasmania) -- "threading the eye of the needle", as one local author(ess) put it. With South America often their last land sighting and the stars obscured by winter storm clouds, sometimes for weeks on end, it was often a case of navigation by "dead reckoning". Consequently, the coastline west of Cape Otway became known as the Shipwreck Coast. Lighthouses came later, but while giving a much earlier warning than the sound of surf on rocks in the middle of a stormy night, didn't completely stop the carnage. GPS would have been very handy! Ian Thomas Central Victoria. On 23/8/2013 5:00 PM, dyfed-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wilson and Cooke (David Rowlands) > 2. Re: DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 175 - #7 - Griffith and > Elizabeth (Eleanor?) James (Ian Thomas) > 3. Re: DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 175 - #7 - Griffith and > Elizabeth (Eleanor?) James (Lance Kirkwood) > 4. BAPTISMS LLEDROD PARISH CHURCH (Buddug Hollett) > 5. Calvinistic Methodists at Bwlchgwynt etc (ANNE EVANS) > 6. lledrod baptisms (Buddug Hollett) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:44:43 +1000 > From: Ian Thomas <ianthomas@myoffice.net.au> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 175 - #7 - Griffith > and Elizabeth (Eleanor?) James > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com, Reginald Davies <regandpaddy@btinternet.com> > Message-ID: <5215EB9B.7040209@myoffice.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello Reg (and Dai and List) > > This is the first time I've attempted a reply, so please excuse (and > advise on) any protocol gaffes. > > Public Record Office Victoria online indexes for Unassisted Inward > Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923, list a Griffiths(sic) and Elizth > James, both aged 34, arriving Melbourne on the "Marco Polo" in July 1858 > from a British port. Also a Wm James, aged 29 (but on a different page > in the Log). The Marco Polo was a fast clipper ship that did regular > runs from Britain to Melbourne in the late 1850s, just before steamers > supplanted sail (some of my ancestors came out on her in 1859). > > The Victorian BDM Pioneers Index (1836-88) lists Griffith James and > Elizabeth Davis (sic) having 3 children: Elizabeth at Melbourne in 1855 > (Reg #10360), Jane at Amherst in 1861 (#15916) and finally Mary Eleanor > at Amherst in1863 (# 18298), but died aged 1 in 1865 (but #9, so could > well have been late 1864, as year given in index is year of > registration, not necessarily that of the event). Amherst is a small > settlement about 40km north of Ballarat and 10km south of Maryborough in > central Victoria (and 150km from the sea), and would have been a gold > mining area at that time. The Vic BDM Edwardian Index (1902-13) lists > Griffith James (Fa: David James, Mo: Elizabeth Isaac), as died aged 76 > at Talbot (2-3km from Amherst) in 1906 (#15065); Elizabeth James (Fa: > Davies, Mo: Elizth U/kn), died aged 81 at Talbot in 1911 (#14984). > Slight age discrepancies, but looks like them and suggests they settled > permanently in the district. > > Ian Thomas > Victoria, Aust. > > > On 22/8/2013 8:16 AM, dyfed-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: (Pem) Help with a forename (Dai & Angela Bevan) >> 2. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (yr achwr) >> 3. (Pembs) Dick Of Pembroke (Andy Philpin) >> 4. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (Jennifer Cairns) >> 5. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (Gareth Hicks) >> 6. Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (ANNE EVANS) >> 7. Griffith and Eleanor James married 1857 (REGINALD DAVIES) >> 8. Wilson and Cooke (REGINALD DAVIES) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:33:05 +0100 (BST) >> From: REGINALD DAVIES <regandpaddy@btinternet.com> >> Subject: [Dyfed] Griffith and Eleanor James married 1857 >> To: "dyfed@rootsweb.com" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <1377120785.71988.YahooMailNeo@web87805.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> I'm writing the history of houses in Newport parish, Pembrokeshire and looking for some help. >> ? >> Griffith James, a mariner,? was born on 6 October 1824 at >> Dinas, Pembrokeshire but would?grow up?at Noppyn a cottage on the mountain above Newport, Pembrokeshire. Abandoned as a home in the 1870s Noppyn was already a ruin by 1908. According to BG Charles nopyn is Welsh for a hillock. Any other suggestions welcomed. >> ? >> According to Board of Trade records whilst sailing on the Bejapore of >> Liverpool Griffith James was discharged at Sydney on 28 February 1853. In 1854 he sailed on the >> Geelong of London joining at Melbourne on 28 August and was discharged in >> London on 4 April 1855. So he had returned home. >> In 1857 Griffith James married >> Elizabeth Davies aged 34 of Coynant very close to Noppyn at Newport church.?Neither Griffith nor his wife Elizabeth can >> be found on any subsequent UK census enumeration.?Had?Griffith returned home to marry?his childhood sweetheart?prior to their emigration to Australia? Any ideas of how to trace their emigration if any. >> ? >> Reg Davies >> ? >> http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ >> >> >

Buddug - There's a Daniel Jones marriage listed on FreeBMD, Apr-Jun 1852 at Swansea. On the same list is a Sarah Jane Lobbett. Maybe? Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Buddug Hollett Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:41 PM To: dyfed Subject: [Dyfed] lledrod baptisms Hi In my previous email regarding some help with 3 baptisms in Lledrod , I have now found some more information on these so ,please ignore my request . However , I'm still trying to locate the marriage of Daniel and Jane Jones in Lledrod . My apologies to anyone for any possible inconvenience Diolch Buddug Hollett ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi In my previous email regarding some help with 3 baptisms in Lledrod , I have now found some more information on these so ,please ignore my request . However , I'm still trying to locate the marriage of Daniel and Jane Jones in Lledrod . My apologies to anyone for any possible inconvenience Diolch Buddug Hollett

Annwyl Delyth. Thank you very much for replying. Thanks to Achwr I have now found out that the James Jones who gave Bwlchgwynt 50s per year in his Will of 1789 was in fact a mercer at Tregaron.    He does not mention his wife in his will, so probably she is dead. He mentions daughters and granddaughters. One daughter Armenia Williams was marrried to  Thomas Williams. They had a daughter Mary. There was another daughter Elizabeth Jones and a grand daughter Mary Jones. James' son was his executor, namely John Jones.  All this study by me is because I am trying to find the parents of my direct ancestor John Jones Coedmawr Llanddewi Brefi. I do not know when this John was born but in the mid 1770's 2 illegitimate sons were born to him, namely John Jones  and Nathaniel Jones. Their mother was Judith Abel who for some reason had gone to live in London!  All this gleaned from his Will of 1809! I am the descendant of John Jones who married Magdalen Evans daughter of Roderick Evans Coedygof Llanddewi Brefi.  I hope this info helps someone even if it is so sparse. Hwyl Yvonne

Dear Ian and Reg, Ian, I think you have done really well. I imagine Dr. Reg will be very pleased to receive such a comprehensive reply. Some of my own ancestors came out here in the 1850's to NSW and their vessel has been untraceable. I was told it was just like present day people taking the ferry across Sydney Harbour, not much attention was paid to who, why or when.......but noting the time frame I had immediately imagined this man had probably gone to the Goldfields. Hopefully he made enough money to go home, claim his bride, and return to a good life. The one in my family who did the best in the quest for gold was the one who opened a store to supply the miners....good thinking!!! >From the Pemb.marriage indices.....11/04/1820 David James of Little Newcastle married Elizabeth Isaac at Newport and then there are marriages between David Isaac in 1789 to Ann Patchell and John Isaac in 1788 to Mary Thomas, both at Newport. Other Isaac males married at Newport in the early 1800's, Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Thomas Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:44 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com ; Reginald Davies Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 175 - #7 - Griffith and Elizabeth (Eleanor?) James Hello Reg (and Dai and List) This is the first time I've attempted a reply, so please excuse (and advise on) any protocol gaffes. Public Record Office Victoria online indexes for Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923, list a Griffiths(sic) and Elizth James, both aged 34, arriving Melbourne on the "Marco Polo" in July 1858 from a British port. Also a Wm James, aged 29 (but on a different page in the Log). The Marco Polo was a fast clipper ship that did regular runs from Britain to Melbourne in the late 1850s, just before steamers supplanted sail (some of my ancestors came out on her in 1859). The Victorian BDM Pioneers Index (1836-88) lists Griffith James and Elizabeth Davis (sic) having 3 children: Elizabeth at Melbourne in 1855 (Reg #10360), Jane at Amherst in 1861 (#15916) and finally Mary Eleanor at Amherst in1863 (# 18298), but died aged 1 in 1865 (but #9, so could well have been late 1864, as year given in index is year of registration, not necessarily that of the event). Amherst is a small settlement about 40km north of Ballarat and 10km south of Maryborough in central Victoria (and 150km from the sea), and would have been a gold mining area at that time. The Vic BDM Edwardian Index (1902-13) lists Griffith James (Fa: David James, Mo: Elizabeth Isaac), as died aged 76 at Talbot (2-3km from Amherst) in 1906 (#15065); Elizabeth James (Fa: Davies, Mo: Elizth U/kn), died aged 81 at Talbot in 1911 (#14984). Slight age discrepancies, but looks like them and suggests they settled permanently in the district. Ian Thomas Victoria, Aust. On 22/8/2013 8:16 AM, dyfed-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: (Pem) Help with a forename (Dai & Angela Bevan) > 2. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (yr achwr) > 3. (Pembs) Dick Of Pembroke (Andy Philpin) > 4. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (Jennifer Cairns) > 5. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (Gareth Hicks) > 6. Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (ANNE EVANS) > 7. Griffith and Eleanor James married 1857 (REGINALD DAVIES) > 8. Wilson and Cooke (REGINALD DAVIES) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:33:05 +0100 (BST) > From: REGINALD DAVIES <regandpaddy@btinternet.com> > Subject: [Dyfed] Griffith and Eleanor James married 1857 > To: "dyfed@rootsweb.com" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1377120785.71988.YahooMailNeo@web87805.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I'm writing the history of houses in Newport parish, Pembrokeshire and > looking for some help. > ? > Griffith James, a mariner,? was born on 6 October 1824 at > Dinas, Pembrokeshire but would?grow up?at Noppyn a cottage on the mountain > above Newport, Pembrokeshire. Abandoned as a home in the 1870s Noppyn was > already a ruin by 1908. According to BG Charles nopyn is Welsh for a > hillock. Any other suggestions welcomed. > ? > According to Board of Trade records whilst sailing on the Bejapore of > Liverpool Griffith James was discharged at Sydney on 28 February 1853. In > 1854 he sailed on the > Geelong of London joining at Melbourne on 28 August and was discharged in > London on 4 April 1855. So he had returned home. > In 1857 Griffith James married > Elizabeth Davies aged 34 of Coynant very close to Noppyn at Newport > church.?Neither Griffith nor his wife Elizabeth can > be found on any subsequent UK census enumeration.?Had?Griffith returned > home to marry?his childhood sweetheart?prior to their emigration to > Australia? Any ideas of how to trace their emigration if any. > ? > Reg Davies > ? > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Reg (and Dai and List) This is the first time I've attempted a reply, so please excuse (and advise on) any protocol gaffes. Public Record Office Victoria online indexes for Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923, list a Griffiths(sic) and Elizth James, both aged 34, arriving Melbourne on the "Marco Polo" in July 1858 from a British port. Also a Wm James, aged 29 (but on a different page in the Log). The Marco Polo was a fast clipper ship that did regular runs from Britain to Melbourne in the late 1850s, just before steamers supplanted sail (some of my ancestors came out on her in 1859). The Victorian BDM Pioneers Index (1836-88) lists Griffith James and Elizabeth Davis (sic) having 3 children: Elizabeth at Melbourne in 1855 (Reg #10360), Jane at Amherst in 1861 (#15916) and finally Mary Eleanor at Amherst in1863 (# 18298), but died aged 1 in 1865 (but #9, so could well have been late 1864, as year given in index is year of registration, not necessarily that of the event). Amherst is a small settlement about 40km north of Ballarat and 10km south of Maryborough in central Victoria (and 150km from the sea), and would have been a gold mining area at that time. The Vic BDM Edwardian Index (1902-13) lists Griffith James (Fa: David James, Mo: Elizabeth Isaac), as died aged 76 at Talbot (2-3km from Amherst) in 1906 (#15065); Elizabeth James (Fa: Davies, Mo: Elizth U/kn), died aged 81 at Talbot in 1911 (#14984). Slight age discrepancies, but looks like them and suggests they settled permanently in the district. Ian Thomas Victoria, Aust. On 22/8/2013 8:16 AM, dyfed-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: (Pem) Help with a forename (Dai & Angela Bevan) > 2. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (yr achwr) > 3. (Pembs) Dick Of Pembroke (Andy Philpin) > 4. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (Jennifer Cairns) > 5. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (Gareth Hicks) > 6. Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (ANNE EVANS) > 7. Griffith and Eleanor James married 1857 (REGINALD DAVIES) > 8. Wilson and Cooke (REGINALD DAVIES) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:33:05 +0100 (BST) > From: REGINALD DAVIES <regandpaddy@btinternet.com> > Subject: [Dyfed] Griffith and Eleanor James married 1857 > To: "dyfed@rootsweb.com" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1377120785.71988.YahooMailNeo@web87805.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I'm writing the history of houses in Newport parish, Pembrokeshire and looking for some help. > ? > Griffith James, a mariner,? was born on 6 October 1824 at > Dinas, Pembrokeshire but would?grow up?at Noppyn a cottage on the mountain above Newport, Pembrokeshire. Abandoned as a home in the 1870s Noppyn was already a ruin by 1908. According to BG Charles nopyn is Welsh for a hillock. Any other suggestions welcomed. > ? > According to Board of Trade records whilst sailing on the Bejapore of > Liverpool Griffith James was discharged at Sydney on 28 February 1853. In 1854 he sailed on the > Geelong of London joining at Melbourne on 28 August and was discharged in > London on 4 April 1855. So he had returned home. > In 1857 Griffith James married > Elizabeth Davies aged 34 of Coynant very close to Noppyn at Newport church.?Neither Griffith nor his wife Elizabeth can > be found on any subsequent UK census enumeration.?Had?Griffith returned home to marry?his childhood sweetheart?prior to their emigration to Australia? Any ideas of how to trace their emigration if any. > ? > Reg Davies > ? > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > >

Annwyl Reg There are a few articles about Wilson and Cooke, grocers of Cardigan, in the Welsh newspapers on-line. However, all are before 1900. This was my query, which yielded 12 results, half or more being adverts for a shop assistant! http://papuraunewyddcymru.llgc.org.uk/en/search/query?rows=20&query=%22Wilson+and+Cooke%22+AND+grocers&date[min]=1804&date[max]=1919&sort=score Hwyl fawr David Canberra On 22/08/2013, at 8:16 AM, REGINALD DAVIES <regandpaddy@btinternet.com> wrote: > I'm trying to find out more about the Cardigan based grocers Wilson and Cooke. They had a branch at Newport, Pembrokeshire in 1902 which was sold shortly afterwards to J.J. Brown. > > Reg Davies > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I've come across 3 baptisms in Lledrod Church mid 1800' in the free reg site but does not give the abode . Does this mean that the abode isn't listed on the original record?. If it is I wonder if anyone has access to the records who would be so kind as to check either one of them out .(the abode address is important ) 12 th August 1853 ,Martha Jones ,parents Daniel and Jane (maiden name Jones ) 28th August 1856, Thomas Jones ,parents same 28th May 1858,Evan Jones ,parents same . I've also been trying for years to find the marriage of Daniel and Jane Jones but no luck at all .No record for them in the free bmd or any other sites . Daniel and Jane would probably have been married c 1850 ,both born in the Lledrod area. Jane's maiden name was also Jones ,father Daniel ,.home address Tynlon but not known if she was married from there. 1861 census they were in Tanrhydiau Gwnnws. Without being too cheeky ,is there anyone who might have access to the marriage records in Lledrod also check for me to see if there is a record of the marriage there. Thanks Buddug Hollett

I'm trying to find out more about the Cardigan based grocers Wilson and Cooke. They had a branch at Newport, Pembrokeshire in 1902 which was sold shortly afterwards to J.J. Brown.   Reg Davies

Yvonne, You need to understand the History of the Calvinistic Methodists. They were originally a movement within the Established Church. Up until 1790 when Daniel Rowlands died, the whole of Cardiganshire and further afield went to Llangeitho once a month to receive the Sacrements. They did not Baptise or partake of the Communion in those "meeting houses" that existed, before 1811, when they broke with the Established Church, and became a "Sect" in their own right. Those "Chapels" that had been built, were therefore simply "Meeting Houses", where the members congregated to listen to Sermons. It is only after 1811, they became Methodist Chapels. As they were part of the Established Church, and received the Communion, either at Llangeitho or a local Church, where the Incumbent had sympathy with the Methodists (In many cases it appears purely from self interest), they often appointed Incumbents of Established Church, as Trustees and this resulted, in many "Meeting Houses", being appropriated by the Established Church, when the Methodists began ordaining their own ministers, and authorising them to baptise and give the communion in 1811. I understand that the members of Bwlchgwynt, communed at Llanddewibrefi. In Wills up to say 1820, I have come across many bequests or "rent charges", from Non-Conformists and others who sympathised, either to a Certain Meeting house, or to "The Protestant Congregation of Dissenters meeting at XXX." I hope this clarifies the use of "Meeting House", rather than a "Chapel Name". I did look at the Will of James Jones proved 1790. It starts: "....... I James Jones of the Town of Tregaron, Mercer ... etc." It tells you that he lived in Tregaron Town, and was a Shopkeeper. Some of the Trade Directories, may help you identify, him, his widow, or one of his children. Tregaron Parish Records, are amongst the most complete in Cardiganshire, and you should be able to find information about either him, his wife or children somewhere in the Parish Records. The bequest to the Meeting House, reads: " I give the sum of 5 shillings towards the use of the meeting house at Tregaron for the first twenty years after my decease, to be paid yearly and every year till the time be up." This to me suggests, that it was worded in this way, so that it was used purely for the benefit of the "Meeting House", and could not be appropriated by the Local Incumbent of the Church. Hope this is of some use. Achwr ======================================== Message Received: Aug 21 2013, 03:16 PM From: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com> To: "DYFED@rootsweb.com" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] Tan yr Allt  Meeting House Tregaron Dear List,   My grateful thanks to everyone who replied to my query about  Tan yr allt Meeting House.   This was not a Quaker Meeting House but Calvinistic  Methodist.  The reason that it sounded like a Quaker gathering was because James Jones in his will of 1789 did not use the chapel name when he left a regular income to it, but called it "Meeting House". This was unusual as the chapel probably had a name by 1789 i.e. it was Capel Bwlchgwynt Tregaron and Tan yr Allt Meeting House was no longer in use. Would anyone possibly know who in fact James Jones was?  There is no house name on his will - just parish of Tregaron. His  executor was his son John Jones. They could possibly be my ancestors.    It is also possible that he witnessed the will  of William Williams1773 who was a wealthy bachelor farmer  of Tregaron/Strata Florida area.   many thanks once again Yvonne ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

I'm writing the history of houses in Newport parish, Pembrokeshire and looking for some help.   Griffith James, a mariner,  was born on 6 October 1824 at Dinas, Pembrokeshire but would grow up at Noppyn a cottage on the mountain above Newport, Pembrokeshire. Abandoned as a home in the 1870s Noppyn was already a ruin by 1908. According to BG Charles nopyn is Welsh for a hillock. Any other suggestions welcomed.   According to Board of Trade records whilst sailing on the Bejapore of Liverpool Griffith James was discharged at Sydney on 28 February 1853. In 1854 he sailed on the Geelong of London joining at Melbourne on 28 August and was discharged in London on 4 April 1855. So he had returned home. In 1857 Griffith James married Elizabeth Davies aged 34 of Coynant very close to Noppyn at Newport church. Neither Griffith nor his wife Elizabeth can be found on any subsequent UK census enumeration. Had Griffith returned home to marry his childhood sweetheart prior to their emigration to Australia? Any ideas of how to trace their emigration if any.   Reg Davies   http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/

Dear List,   My grateful thanks to everyone who replied to my query about  Tan yr allt Meeting House.   This was not a Quaker Meeting House but Calvinistic  Methodist.  The reason that it sounded like a Quaker gathering was because James Jones in his will of 1789 did not use the chapel name when he left a regular income to it, but called it "Meeting House". This was unusual as the chapel probably had a name by 1789 i.e. it was Capel Bwlchgwynt Tregaron and Tan yr Allt Meeting House was no longer in use. Would anyone possibly know who in fact James Jones was?  There is no house name on his will - just parish of Tregaron. His  executor was his son John Jones. They could possibly be my ancestors.    It is also possible that he witnessed the will  of William Williams1773 who was a wealthy bachelor farmer  of Tregaron/Strata Florida area.   many thanks once again Yvonne

Thanks Achwr, I've taken the liberty of adding your helpful data to the Genuki entry for that 'chapel'. Gareth Hicks Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: yr achwr Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:57 AM To: ANNE EVANS ; dyfed-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron Anne, HANES METHODISIAETH RHAN DDEHEUOL SIR ABERTEIFI in the entry for Tregaron states that Daniel Rowlands (Llangeitho) began preaching at, Nantylles a mile and a half north of Tregaron in 1738. It was chosen as to be most convenient to the inhabitants of Swyddfynnon and Pontrhydfendigaid. In 1742 the preaching was moved to the neighbouring farm of TANYRALLT, which could accommodate the listeners, and it was here the first "Society" was formed. Williams Williams, Pantycelyn was the overseer and used to visit every 6 weeks. In 1744 there were about 20 members. There was never a Chapel or Meeting House, at TANRALLT. The services were held under two large oak trees, it is said. In 1758 the Society moved their services to PENLAN, Tregaron and numbers increased until BWLCHGWYNT Chapel was built in 1774/5. The first Chapels built by the Calvinistic Methodists were: TWRGWYN 1750 LLANGEITHO 1760 LLANON 1769 TREGARON 1775 LAMPETER 1775 Best wishes, ACHWR ======================================== Message Received: Aug 20 2013, 11:22 AM From: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com> To: "dyfed-L@rootsweb.com" <dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron Dear List, I have tried unsuccessfully to find details of Tan yr allt Meeting House Tregaron i.e. on Genuki. I have found that it is closed and was a house turned into a chapel! contrary to what happens today! I should be very grtateful for any info as I am looking for ancestors in that area. I should be surprised if any records remain. Yvonne Evans ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Anne Yr Achwr's comments make sense of the following... I checked the 1851 ecclesiastic Church individual census returns  - in the individual records there is NO return for a Tan-yr-Allt/Tregaron meeting on census day.   If the meetings were periodic and outside and the cause had moved to Penlan/Bwlchgwynt long before 1851, then this seems a sound reason!  Many thanks Achwr! Jen ________________________________ From: yr achwr <achwr@fsmail.net> To: ANNE EVANS <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>; "dyfed-L@rootsweb.com" <dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 0:57 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron Anne, HANES METHODISIAETH RHAN DDEHEUOL SIR ABERTEIFI in the entry for Tregaron states that Daniel Rowlands (Llangeitho) began preaching at, Nantylles a mile and a half north of Tregaron in 1738. It was chosen as to be most convenient to the inhabitants of Swyddfynnon and Pontrhydfendigaid. In 1742 the preaching was moved to the neighbouring farm of TANYRALLT, which could accommodate the listeners, and it was here the first "Society"  was formed. Williams Williams, Pantycelyn was the overseer and used to visit every 6 weeks. In 1744 there were about 20 members. There was never a Chapel or Meeting House, at TANRALLT. The services were held under two large oak trees, it is said. In 1758 the Society moved their services to PENLAN, Tregaron and numbers increased until BWLCHGWYNT Chapel was built in 1774/5. The first Chapels built by the Calvinistic Methodists were: TWRGWYN      1750 LLANGEITHO    1760 LLANON        1769 TREGARON      1775 LAMPETER      1775 Best wishes, ACHWR

Hi all, Hope you are all well - I know it is not strictly family history but does anybody know who "Dick of Pembroke" was or referred to. It was a saying I heard a lot when I was young. All the Best, Andy

Sorry, Jon. I can't make any more sense of the forename than you. Dai On 20/08/2013 13:14, jonmein@aol.com wrote: > Good afternoon > > > I am helping out someone with an interest in what appear to be two Begelly families. The history of one is clear; the other is suspect. > > > At the heart of the problem with the suspect family is the first name of the father of the bride at this marriage: > > > 1 March 1873 > Ystradyfodwg, Glam. > Bride: Mary Anne John Cole > Her father: Kity Cole, a collier. > > > Looking at the forename on the register entry on Findmypast, it could be Kity as I suggest above. Perhaps Hity or even Nity. Or something else! > > > Are any of these Welsh forenames that anyone has come across? Perhaps it might be a nickname. > > > Jon > > > PS. I sent this to the Dyfed list rather than to the Glamorgan list as we think this family is from Pembrokeshire. > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Eliz, Yvonne, The Friend's Library is the place to find information on Quakers in Britain. The yhave an on-line catalogue. See http://www.quaker.org.uk/library Dai On 20/08/2013 22:27, Eliz Hanebury wrote: > Here in Pennsylvania there were many homes used as Meetings, but the > records would go up the "Chain of Command" to a large permanent meeting. > Some Meeting met only Monthly and some Yearly (top structure) and some > weekly, I don't know if this is how UK Meeting were structured. > http://www.quakerinfo.org/resources/glossary > > This might help with Welsh Friends > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/humceltic/Welsh2.html > > Here I would tell you to Contact Swathmore College (a Quaker college) and > they would tell you > > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (Anon) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. > (Dag Hammarskjold) > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:21 AM, ANNE EVANS <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com >> wrote: >> Dear List, >> I have tried unsuccessfully to find details of Tan yr allt Meeting House >> Tregaron i.e. on Genuki. I have found that it is closed and was a house >> turned into a chapel! contrary to what happens today! >> I should be very grtateful for any info as I am looking for ancestors in >> that area. I should be surprised if any records remain. >> >> Yvonne Evans >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anne, HANES METHODISIAETH RHAN DDEHEUOL SIR ABERTEIFI in the entry for Tregaron states that Daniel Rowlands (Llangeitho) began preaching at, Nantylles a mile and a half north of Tregaron in 1738. It was chosen as to be most convenient to the inhabitants of Swyddfynnon and Pontrhydfendigaid. In 1742 the preaching was moved to the neighbouring farm of TANYRALLT, which could accommodate the listeners, and it was here the first "Society" was formed. Williams Williams, Pantycelyn was the overseer and used to visit every 6 weeks. In 1744 there were about 20 members. There was never a Chapel or Meeting House, at TANRALLT. The services were held under two large oak trees, it is said. In 1758 the Society moved their services to PENLAN, Tregaron and numbers increased until BWLCHGWYNT Chapel was built in 1774/5. The first Chapels built by the Calvinistic Methodists were: TWRGWYN 1750 LLANGEITHO 1760 LLANON 1769 TREGARON 1775 LAMPETER 1775 Best wishes, ACHWR ======================================== Message Received: Aug 20 2013, 11:22 AM From: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com> To: "dyfed-L@rootsweb.com" <dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron Dear List, I have tried unsuccessfully to find details of Tan yr allt Meeting House Tregaron  i.e. on Genuki. I have found that it is closed and was a house  turned into a chapel! contrary to what happens today! I should be very grtateful for any info as I am looking for ancestors in that area. I should be surprised if any records remain.   Yvonne Evans ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR