I think Robinson is running out of ideas in his investigations. I never liked Baldric. Vera -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Venita Sent: 16 September 2013 17:56 To: Dale Davies Cc: dyfed@rootsweb.com; 'Robert Williams' Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Biblical matters. Along with creation stories, all cultures have flood stories to tell, and all of them very similar to what is recorded in the Bible. I find it very interesting that wherever scientists go, from the lowest elevation to the highest, they find evidence that that part of the world was once under water. Just saying. Venita On Sep 15, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Dale Davies <dale_j@brisvegas.org> wrote: > Oddly enough, that program was available here thanks to the wonders of the > internet. Robinson was referring to a reconstructed scenario of a very large > tsunami triggered by a large undersea landslide on the edge of the > continental shelf off Norway, some large-distance in time BC. They worked > "Doggerland" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland ) and so on into it as > well. A more modest effort only a few years ago off the northern coast of > New Guinea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Papua_New_Guinea_tsunami ) > demonstrated that you don't need a Tohoku-scale earthquake > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_T%C5%8Dhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami ) to > get a devastating tsunami. > > Beyond the other end of Europe in Mesopotamia it would be unlikely to have > excited anyone. Cameron (as in find-the-Titanic) et al have tried to float > (ahem, sorry) the idea that the final in-filling of the Black Sea - about > half as far back in time and a great deal closer to Babylon - inspired the > legend. Still another and far more boring idea has been that the > Tigris/Euphrates valleys, rather flat and close together around the middle > and bottom of Mesopotamia, had a meteorologically ordinary but epic, large > and devastating flood, that happened to occur during a period when people > were inclined to write about it. > > Yet to surface in this context - but it will, it will - is the post-glacial > flooding of most of the upper Persian Gulf. Although slow, such a process > would have been noticeable on the scale of a human lifetime; northern > Australia etc ("Sahul") must have gone under at a rate in the order of a > kilometre a year. That's noticeable. Anyway, the Gulf is an area some > evolutionary anthropologists suspect out-loud may have been a human refuge, > during glacial conditions, from the hyper-arid conditions that overtook > Arabia. This is part of an "out-of-Africa by an earlier southern route" > hypothesis. "Eden" has been placed by some in the southern parts of > Mesopotamia: adjacent to the hypothesised flooded refuge. > > Then there're the flooded "city" remains off Mumbai. > > Personally, I'm with the cloudburst theory. Or the mushrooms. Ockham's > razor. > > cheers > Dale > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf >> Of Robert Williams >> Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013 8:06 PM >> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Dyfed] Biblical matters. >> >> Mention of "The Great Flood"had me thinking of the Programme that was on > the >> Telly a while ago. >> I don't know what this programme was called,but it was introduced by Tony >> ROBINSON, The Ex-Baldrick Wallah,mate of Rowan ATKINSON. >> >> Anyway,I only caught the last few seconds of this programme,and he > mentioned a >> similar "Great Flood"of 14,500 years ago. >> >> Did anyone see it? >> >> It mentioned that a vast area of Canada had a sudden global warming job, > which >> melted a vast area of ice. >> >> This Ice was of the Fresh Water Variety, >> >> And with this melting,a Tsunami happened which caused all this water to > rush >> across the Atlantic and swept across Europe, seperating The United Kingdom >> from the land mass of France,Thereby causing the Water between Dover and >> Calais. >> >> This same Tsunami carried on further inland and finally ended up to form a >> freshwater lake in the Caspian sea, or some other Freshwater Lake over > there? >> >> [My Geography is sadly lacking since leaving School over 50 years ago!] >> >> The bottom line to all of this being, >> >> Was THIS the Great Flood of Biblical times perhaps? >> >> Comments? >> >> Cheers Graham. >> >> Graham Williams, >> Glam;FHS# 551. >> of Canton,Cardiff. >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> [Dec2012] >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Along with creation stories, all cultures have flood stories to tell, and all of them very similar to what is recorded in the Bible. I find it very interesting that wherever scientists go, from the lowest elevation to the highest, they find evidence that that part of the world was once under water. Just saying… Venita On Sep 15, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Dale Davies <dale_j@brisvegas.org> wrote: > Oddly enough, that program was available here thanks to the wonders of the > internet. Robinson was referring to a reconstructed scenario of a very large > tsunami triggered by a large undersea landslide on the edge of the > continental shelf off Norway, some large-distance in time BC. They worked > "Doggerland" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland ) and so on into it as > well. A more modest effort only a few years ago off the northern coast of > New Guinea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Papua_New_Guinea_tsunami ) > demonstrated that you don't need a Tohoku-scale earthquake > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_T%C5%8Dhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami ) to > get a devastating tsunami. > > Beyond the other end of Europe in Mesopotamia it would be unlikely to have > excited anyone. Cameron (as in find-the-Titanic) et al have tried to float > (ahem, sorry) the idea that the final in-filling of the Black Sea - about > half as far back in time and a great deal closer to Babylon - inspired the > legend. Still another and far more boring idea has been that the > Tigris/Euphrates valleys, rather flat and close together around the middle > and bottom of Mesopotamia, had a meteorologically ordinary but epic, large > and devastating flood, that happened to occur during a period when people > were inclined to write about it. > > Yet to surface in this context - but it will, it will - is the post-glacial > flooding of most of the upper Persian Gulf. Although slow, such a process > would have been noticeable on the scale of a human lifetime; northern > Australia etc ("Sahul") must have gone under at a rate in the order of a > kilometre a year. That's noticeable. Anyway, the Gulf is an area some > evolutionary anthropologists suspect out-loud may have been a human refuge, > during glacial conditions, from the hyper-arid conditions that overtook > Arabia. This is part of an "out-of-Africa by an earlier southern route" > hypothesis. "Eden" has been placed by some in the southern parts of > Mesopotamia: adjacent to the hypothesised flooded refuge. > > Then there're the flooded "city" remains off Mumbai. > > Personally, I'm with the cloudburst theory. Or the mushrooms. Ockham's > razor. > > cheers > Dale > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf >> Of Robert Williams >> Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013 8:06 PM >> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Dyfed] Biblical matters. >> >> Mention of "The Great Flood"had me thinking of the Programme that was on > the >> Telly a while ago. >> I don't know what this programme was called,but it was introduced by Tony >> ROBINSON, The Ex-Baldrick Wallah,mate of Rowan ATKINSON. >> >> Anyway,I only caught the last few seconds of this programme,and he > mentioned a >> similar "Great Flood"of 14,500 years ago. >> >> Did anyone see it? >> >> It mentioned that a vast area of Canada had a sudden global warming job, > which >> melted a vast area of ice. >> >> This Ice was of the Fresh Water Variety, >> >> And with this melting,a Tsunami happened which caused all this water to > rush >> across the Atlantic and swept across Europe, seperating The United Kingdom >> from the land mass of France,Thereby causing the Water between Dover and >> Calais. >> >> This same Tsunami carried on further inland and finally ended up to form a >> freshwater lake in the Caspian sea, or some other Freshwater Lake over > there? >> >> [My Geography is sadly lacking since leaving School over 50 years ago!] >> >> The bottom line to all of this being, >> >> Was THIS the Great Flood of Biblical times perhaps? >> >> Comments? >> >> Cheers Graham. >> >> Graham Williams, >> Glam;FHS# 551. >> of Canton,Cardiff. >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> [Dec2012] >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oddly enough, that program was available here thanks to the wonders of the internet. Robinson was referring to a reconstructed scenario of a very large tsunami triggered by a large undersea landslide on the edge of the continental shelf off Norway, some large-distance in time BC. They worked "Doggerland" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland ) and so on into it as well. A more modest effort only a few years ago off the northern coast of New Guinea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Papua_New_Guinea_tsunami ) demonstrated that you don't need a Tohoku-scale earthquake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_T%C5%8Dhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami ) to get a devastating tsunami. Beyond the other end of Europe in Mesopotamia it would be unlikely to have excited anyone. Cameron (as in find-the-Titanic) et al have tried to float (ahem, sorry) the idea that the final in-filling of the Black Sea - about half as far back in time and a great deal closer to Babylon - inspired the legend. Still another and far more boring idea has been that the Tigris/Euphrates valleys, rather flat and close together around the middle and bottom of Mesopotamia, had a meteorologically ordinary but epic, large and devastating flood, that happened to occur during a period when people were inclined to write about it. Yet to surface in this context - but it will, it will - is the post-glacial flooding of most of the upper Persian Gulf. Although slow, such a process would have been noticeable on the scale of a human lifetime; northern Australia etc ("Sahul") must have gone under at a rate in the order of a kilometre a year. That's noticeable. Anyway, the Gulf is an area some evolutionary anthropologists suspect out-loud may have been a human refuge, during glacial conditions, from the hyper-arid conditions that overtook Arabia. This is part of an "out-of-Africa by an earlier southern route" hypothesis. "Eden" has been placed by some in the southern parts of Mesopotamia: adjacent to the hypothesised flooded refuge. Then there're the flooded "city" remains off Mumbai. Personally, I'm with the cloudburst theory. Or the mushrooms. Ockham's razor. cheers Dale > -----Original Message----- > From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Robert Williams > Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013 8:06 PM > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Dyfed] Biblical matters. > > Mention of "The Great Flood"had me thinking of the Programme that was on the > Telly a while ago. > I don't know what this programme was called,but it was introduced by Tony > ROBINSON, The Ex-Baldrick Wallah,mate of Rowan ATKINSON. > > Anyway,I only caught the last few seconds of this programme,and he mentioned a > similar "Great Flood"of 14,500 years ago. > > Did anyone see it? > > It mentioned that a vast area of Canada had a sudden global warming job, which > melted a vast area of ice. > > This Ice was of the Fresh Water Variety, > > And with this melting,a Tsunami happened which caused all this water to rush > across the Atlantic and swept across Europe, seperating The United Kingdom > from the land mass of France,Thereby causing the Water between Dover and > Calais. > > This same Tsunami carried on further inland and finally ended up to form a > freshwater lake in the Caspian sea, or some other Freshwater Lake over there? > > [My Geography is sadly lacking since leaving School over 50 years ago!] > > The bottom line to all of this being, > > Was THIS the Great Flood of Biblical times perhaps? > > Comments? > > Cheers Graham. > > Graham Williams, > Glam;FHS# 551. > of Canton,Cardiff. > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

Hi Graham I think the fact that you only caught the last few seconds of the programme may have led to some confused messages. The creation of the English Channel and the Caspian Sea are reckoned to be entirely separate geological processes, created some 200,000 years ago (the Channel) and 5 million years ago (Caspian), and are therefore unlikely to have any link with flooding in North America. Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Williams Sent: 15 September 2013 11:06 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Biblical matters. Mention of "The Great Flood"had me thinking of the Programme that was on the Telly a while ago. I don't know what this programme was called,but it was introduced by Tony ROBINSON, The Ex-Baldrick Wallah,mate of Rowan ATKINSON.   Anyway,I only caught the last few seconds of this programme,and he mentioned a similar "Great Flood"of 14,500 years ago.   Did anyone see it?   It mentioned that a vast area of Canada had a sudden global warming job, which melted a vast area of ice.   This Ice was of the Fresh Water Variety,   And with this melting,a Tsunami happened which caused all this water to rush across the Atlantic and swept across Europe, seperating The United Kingdom from the land mass of France,Thereby causing the Water between Dover and Calais.   This same Tsunami carried on further inland and finally ended up to form a freshwater lake in the Caspian sea, or some other Freshwater Lake over there?   [My Geography is sadly lacking since leaving School over 50 years ago!] The bottom line to all of this being, Was THIS the Great Flood of Biblical times perhaps? Comments? Cheers Graham. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robert The answer is "No". I haven't seen the programme you mention but it sounds as though a number of separate events have been conflated, eg: Britain was separated from the continent following the 3rd Storegga Slide around 8,000 years ago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storegga_Slide) when Doggerland was flooded. There *was* flooding in the Caspian Sea basin around the time you mention, but this was due to melting of the Scandinavian icesheet, with meltwater presumably flowing down the Russian river systems. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outburst_flood#The_Caspian_and_Black_Seas_.28around_16.2C000_years_ago.29) And Lake Bonneville (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Bonneville) in Utah. Keep calm and carry on, as they say. Regards STC On 15/09/2013 11:05, Robert Williams wrote: > Mention of "The Great Flood"had me thinking of the Programme that was on the Telly > a while ago. > I don't know what this programme was called,but it was introduced by Tony ROBINSON, > The Ex-Baldrick Wallah,mate of Rowan ATKINSON. > > Anyway,I only caught the last few seconds of this programme,and he mentioned > a similar "Great Flood"of 14,500 years ago. > > Did anyone see it? > > It mentioned that a vast area of Canada had a sudden global warming job, > which melted a vast area of ice. > > This Ice was of the Fresh Water Variety, > > And with this melting,a Tsunami happened which caused all this water to rush across the Atlantic and swept across Europe, > seperating The United Kingdom from the land mass of France,Thereby causing the Water between Dover and Calais. > > This same Tsunami carried on further inland and finally ended up to form a freshwater lake in the Caspian sea, > or some other Freshwater Lake over there? > > [My Geography is sadly lacking since leaving School over 50 years ago!] > > The bottom line to all of this being, > > Was THIS the Great Flood of Biblical times perhaps? > > Comments? > > Cheers Graham. > > Graham Williams, > Glam;FHS# 551. > of Canton,Cardiff. > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mention of "The Great Flood"had me thinking of the Programme that was on the Telly a while ago. I don't know what this programme was called,but it was introduced by Tony ROBINSON, The Ex-Baldrick Wallah,mate of Rowan ATKINSON.   Anyway,I only caught the last few seconds of this programme,and he mentioned a similar "Great Flood"of 14,500 years ago.   Did anyone see it?   It mentioned that a vast area of Canada had a sudden global warming job, which melted a vast area of ice.   This Ice was of the Fresh Water Variety,   And with this melting,a Tsunami happened which caused all this water to rush across the Atlantic and swept across Europe, seperating The United Kingdom from the land mass of France,Thereby causing the Water between Dover and Calais.   This same Tsunami carried on further inland and finally ended up to form a freshwater lake in the Caspian sea, or some other Freshwater Lake over there?   [My Geography is sadly lacking since leaving School over 50 years ago!] The bottom line to all of this being, Was THIS the Great Flood of Biblical times perhaps? Comments? Cheers Graham. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff.

This is by far the funniest mail-list on-line. Mention a word, i.e., flood, and great waves of knowledge spew out of the members at such a rate of speed as to put the word tsunami to shame! I will now have to look up each of the references in order to keep up with your knowledge, which is not the way I had intended to spend my Sunday morning. But, first to Starbucks. Lynne in Tucson (where water is nearly unheard of) -----Original Message----- From: Dale Davies Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 4:33 AM To: 'Robert Williams' ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Biblical matters. Oddly enough, that program was available here thanks to the wonders of the internet. Robinson was referring to a reconstructed scenario of a very large tsunami triggered by a large undersea landslide on the edge of the continental shelf off Norway, some large-distance in time BC. They worked "Doggerland" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland ) and so on into it as well. A more modest effort only a few years ago off the northern coast of New Guinea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Papua_New_Guinea_tsunami ) demonstrated that you don't need a Tohoku-scale earthquake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_T%C5%8Dhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami ) to get a devastating tsunami. Beyond the other end of Europe in Mesopotamia it would be unlikely to have excited anyone. Cameron (as in find-the-Titanic) et al have tried to float (ahem, sorry) the idea that the final in-filling of the Black Sea - about half as far back in time and a great deal closer to Babylon - inspired the legend. Still another and far more boring idea has been that the Tigris/Euphrates valleys, rather flat and close together around the middle and bottom of Mesopotamia, had a meteorologically ordinary but epic, large and devastating flood, that happened to occur during a period when people were inclined to write about it. Yet to surface in this context - but it will, it will - is the post-glacial flooding of most of the upper Persian Gulf. Although slow, such a process would have been noticeable on the scale of a human lifetime; northern Australia etc ("Sahul") must have gone under at a rate in the order of a kilometre a year. That's noticeable. Anyway, the Gulf is an area some evolutionary anthropologists suspect out-loud may have been a human refuge, during glacial conditions, from the hyper-arid conditions that overtook Arabia. This is part of an "out-of-Africa by an earlier southern route" hypothesis. "Eden" has been placed by some in the southern parts of Mesopotamia: adjacent to the hypothesised flooded refuge. Then there're the flooded "city" remains off Mumbai. Personally, I'm with the cloudburst theory. Or the mushrooms. Ockham's razor. cheers Dale > -----Original Message----- > From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Robert Williams > Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013 8:06 PM > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Dyfed] Biblical matters. > > Mention of "The Great Flood"had me thinking of the Programme that was on the > Telly a while ago. > I don't know what this programme was called,but it was introduced by Tony > ROBINSON, The Ex-Baldrick Wallah,mate of Rowan ATKINSON. > > Anyway,I only caught the last few seconds of this programme,and he mentioned a > similar "Great Flood"of 14,500 years ago. > > Did anyone see it? > > It mentioned that a vast area of Canada had a sudden global warming job, which > melted a vast area of ice. > > This Ice was of the Fresh Water Variety, > > And with this melting,a Tsunami happened which caused all this water to rush > across the Atlantic and swept across Europe, seperating The United Kingdom > from the land mass of France,Thereby causing the Water between Dover and > Calais. > > This same Tsunami carried on further inland and finally ended up to form a > freshwater lake in the Caspian sea, or some other Freshwater Lake over there? > > [My Geography is sadly lacking since leaving School over 50 years ago!] > > The bottom line to all of this being, > > Was THIS the Great Flood of Biblical times perhaps? > > Comments? > > Cheers Graham. > > Graham Williams, > Glam;FHS# 551. > of Canton,Cardiff. > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Rhodri, I personally have implicit faith in any information supplied by Colonel the Rev. Sir Edwyn Arthur Tommy-Tucker, VC, VD, AC, DC, TCP, JCB, Genealogical Consultant to the McGillycuddy of the Reeks, concerning the slightly obscure period between the days of Olioll Casfiacalach, the Prolific, and those of the Duchess of Cambridge. Best wishes, Richard Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "RHODRI DAFIS" <rdafis@fsmail.net> To: "Robert Treharne Jones" <tjwizard@tiscali.co.uk>; "dyfed" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > Robert, > > "Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific." according to some of the mythical > pedigrees, that the mythical "sir" Arthur appears to believe in, is the > 63rd in line from Adam and Eve. How therefore could he be the 77th King of > Ireland. If Katherine Middleton is his 78th Great Granddaughter she must > at the most the 155th Great Granddaughter of Adam and Eve. Allowing a > generous 3 generations per century, then Adam and Eve lived 5200 years ago > approx. > > Adam and his descendants must have been more prolific than "Olioll > Casfiacalach" to have populated the world in such a short time. > > Stonehenge commenced 4600 years ago. > > Pyramids in Egypt commenced 4600 years ago. > > 20 Generations from Adam and Eve, and there was a work-force of thousands. > > Anyone who subscribes to this, needs his head tested, which is why I > cannot have any faith in anything else they say. > > I suppose it provides light entertainment, for list members. > > Best wishes, > > Rhodri > > > > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Sep 10 2013, 07:34 PM > From: "Robert Treharne Jones" <tjwizard@tiscali.co.uk> > To: "dyfed" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > > Since 2^81 is a very large number it's not beyond the bounds of > possibility > that most of us are descended in some way from Olioll Casfiacalach the > Prolific > > Robert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas > Sent: 10 September 2013 09:54 > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > > Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 27th great > granddaughter of Llywelyn Fawr ab Iorwerth, Tywysog Cymru. > Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 32nd great > granddaughter of Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr Tywysog Deheubarth. > Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 78th great > granddaughter of Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific, 77th Monarch of Ireland > > > > From: dyfed-request@rootsweb.com > > Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:00:21 -0600 > > > > > > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Princely Celtic forebears (Theo & Anna Brueton) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:04:39 +0100 > > From: Theo & Anna Brueton <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> > > Subject: [Dyfed] Princely Celtic forebears > > To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com>, <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <51DA98CE006778A7@woodbine.london.02.net> (added by > > postmaster@woodbine.london.02.net) > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > Dear List > > > > I suppose that the dearth of traffic on genealogical websites is due > > to the seasonal weather and the excitement at the Royal birth. > > > > The Guardian claims that William and Kate's son is the 41st in direct > > line of descent from Egbert, King of Wessex, who ruled from 802 to > > 839. I wondered if any of our expert genealogists could give him a > > more ancient forebear from a Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) royal line? > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to > DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > > ************************************* > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Rhodri > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Jon Do you have Mary on the census after her marriage? Just wondering if she had any sons whether their names might give a clue to her father's name? You've probably already considered this, but just a thought. Regards Sandra -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of FamilyTree Sent: 11 September 2013 10:27 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 175 This may help, Jon My name is often contracted to Kit and my mother would use this and, if memory serves, the more familiar Kity especially when she was feeling particularly affectionate. But Jon a collier with the surname Cole.... Christopher Still looking for CHALLENER - Anywhere SPROSTON - Anywhere TREMBLE - Eire/South and West Wales/East London DAVIES - Pembs. & Carmarthenshire SCOPES - Mainly Suffolk GOLDING - Mainly East London MANNING - 18th/19th C. Cheshire Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:03:23 +0100 From: Dai & Angela Bevan <daibevan@clara.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] (Pem) Help with a forename To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5214663B.1090101@clara.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sorry, Jon. I can't make any more sense of the forename than you. Dai On 20/08/2013 13:14, jonmein@aol.com wrote: > Good afternoon > > > I am helping out someone with an interest in what appear to be two > Begelly families. The history of one is clear; the other is suspect. > > > At the heart of the problem with the suspect family is the first name > of the father of the bride at this marriage: > > > 1 March 1873 > Ystradyfodwg, Glam. > Bride: Mary Anne John Cole > Her father: Kity Cole, a collier. > > > Looking at the forename on the register entry on Findmypast, it could > be Kity as I suggest above. Perhaps Hity or even Nity. Or something else! > > > Are any of these Welsh forenames that anyone has come across? Perhaps > it might be a nickname. > > > Jon ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This may help, Jon My name is often contracted to Kit and my mother would use this and, if memory serves, the more familiar Kity especially when she was feeling particularly affectionate. But Jon a collier with the surname Cole.... Christopher Still looking for CHALLENER - Anywhere SPROSTON - Anywhere TREMBLE - Eire/South and West Wales/East London DAVIES - Pembs. & Carmarthenshire SCOPES - Mainly Suffolk GOLDING - Mainly East London MANNING - 18th/19th C. Cheshire Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:03:23 +0100 From: Dai & Angela Bevan <daibevan@clara.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] (Pem) Help with a forename To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5214663B.1090101@clara.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sorry, Jon. I can't make any more sense of the forename than you. Dai On 20/08/2013 13:14, jonmein@aol.com wrote: > Good afternoon > > > I am helping out someone with an interest in what appear to be two Begelly > families. The history of one is clear; the other is suspect. > > > At the heart of the problem with the suspect family is the first name of > the father of the bride at this marriage: > > > 1 March 1873 > Ystradyfodwg, Glam. > Bride: Mary Anne John Cole > Her father: Kity Cole, a collier. > > > Looking at the forename on the register entry on Findmypast, it could be > Kity as I suggest above. Perhaps Hity or even Nity. Or something else! > > > Are any of these Welsh forenames that anyone has come across? Perhaps it > might be a nickname. > > > Jon

Robert, "Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific." according to some of the mythical pedigrees, that the mythical "sir" Arthur appears to believe in, is the 63rd in line from Adam and Eve. How therefore could he be the 77th King of Ireland. If Katherine Middleton is his 78th Great Granddaughter she must at the most the 155th Great Granddaughter of Adam and Eve. Allowing a generous 3 generations per century, then Adam and Eve lived 5200 years ago approx. Adam and his descendants must have been more prolific than "Olioll Casfiacalach" to have populated the world in such a short time. Stonehenge commenced 4600 years ago. Pyramids in Egypt commenced 4600 years ago. 20 Generations from Adam and Eve, and there was a work-force of thousands. Anyone who subscribes to this, needs his head tested, which is why I cannot have any faith in anything else they say. I suppose it provides light entertainment, for list members. Best wishes, Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Sep 10 2013, 07:34 PM From: "Robert Treharne Jones" <tjwizard@tiscali.co.uk> To: "dyfed" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 Since 2^81 is a very large number it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that most of us are descended in some way from Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas Sent: 10 September 2013 09:54 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 27th great granddaughter of Llywelyn Fawr ab Iorwerth, Tywysog Cymru. Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 32nd great granddaughter of Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr Tywysog Deheubarth. Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 78th great granddaughter of Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific, 77th Monarch of Ireland > From: dyfed-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:00:21 -0600 > > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Princely Celtic forebears (Theo & Anna Brueton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:04:39 +0100 > From: Theo & Anna Brueton <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] Princely Celtic forebears > To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com>, <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <51DA98CE006778A7@woodbine.london.02.net> (added by > postmaster@woodbine.london.02.net) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Dear List > > I suppose that the dearth of traffic on genealogical websites is due > to the seasonal weather and the excitement at the Royal birth. > > The Guardian claims that William and Kate's son is the 41st in direct > line of descent from Egbert, King of Wessex, who ruled from 802 to > 839. I wondered if any of our expert genealogists could give him a > more ancient forebear from a Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) royal line? > > Anna > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > ************************************* ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

Since 2^81 is a very large number it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that most of us are descended in some way from Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas Sent: 10 September 2013 09:54 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 27th great granddaughter of Llywelyn Fawr ab Iorwerth, Tywysog Cymru. Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 32nd great granddaughter of Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr Tywysog Deheubarth. Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 78th great granddaughter of Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific, 77th Monarch of Ireland > From: dyfed-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:00:21 -0600 > > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Princely Celtic forebears (Theo & Anna Brueton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:04:39 +0100 > From: Theo & Anna Brueton <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] Princely Celtic forebears > To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com>, <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <51DA98CE006778A7@woodbine.london.02.net> (added by > postmaster@woodbine.london.02.net) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Dear List > > I suppose that the dearth of traffic on genealogical websites is due > to the seasonal weather and the excitement at the Royal birth. > > The Guardian claims that William and Kate's son is the 41st in direct > line of descent from Egbert, King of Wessex, who ruled from 802 to > 839. I wondered if any of our expert genealogists could give him a > more ancient forebear from a Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) royal line? > > Anna > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > ************************************* ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Makes you wonder how we ended up with different genes. -----Original Message----- From: yr achwr Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:27 PM To: Lynne Ingalls ; rdafis@fsmail.net ; Robert Treharne Jones ; dyfed Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 Lynne. "Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific." was according to "pedigrees" 54th in decent from Noah. Here is Noah's "pedigree". "Adam lay with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth. When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father of Enosh. When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel, who fathered Jared. Jared became the father of Enoch. Enoch became the father of Methuselah. When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son named Noah." They lived long, and must have been very prolific. Noah must have inherited these Genes, and passed them on to his descendants. There must have a lot of inbreeding, which might explain "sir" Arthur. Best wishes, Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Sep 11 2013, 12:02 AM From: "Lynne Ingalls" <lynne.ingalls@comcast.net> To: rdafis@fsmail.net, "Robert Treharne Jones" <tjwizard@tiscali.co.uk>, "dyfed" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 Rhodri - We had a great flood in between, did we not? Then everyone would have to be descendants of Noah, not just Adam and Eve. Yes? Kind of like with an hourglass, we'd have to start over with Noah. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: RHODRI DAFIS Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:52 PM To: Robert Treharne Jones ; dyfed Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 Robert, "Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific." according to some of the mythical pedigrees, that the mythical "sir" Arthur appears to believe in, is the 63rd in line from Adam and Eve. How therefore could he be the 77th King of Ireland. If Katherine Middleton is his 78th Great Granddaughter she must at the most the 155th Great Granddaughter of Adam and Eve. Allowing a generous 3 generations per century, then Adam and Eve lived 5200 years ago approx. Adam and his descendants must have been more prolific than "Olioll Casfiacalach" to have populated the world in such a short time. Stonehenge commenced 4600 years ago. Pyramids in Egypt commenced 4600 years ago. 20 Generations from Adam and Eve, and there was a work-force of thousands. Anyone who subscribes to this, needs his head tested, which is why I cannot have any faith in anything else they say. I suppose it provides light entertainment, for list members. Best wishes, Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Sep 10 2013, 07:34 PM From: "Robert Treharne Jones" <tjwizard@tiscali.co.uk> To: "dyfed" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 Since 2^81 is a very large number it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that most of us are descended in some way from Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas Sent: 10 September 2013 09:54 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 27th great granddaughter of Llywelyn Fawr ab Iorwerth, Tywysog Cymru. Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 32nd great granddaughter of Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr Tywysog Deheubarth. Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 78th great granddaughter of Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific, 77th Monarch of Ireland > From: dyfed-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:00:21 -0600 > > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Princely Celtic forebears (Theo & Anna Brueton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:04:39 +0100 > From: Theo & Anna Brueton <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] Princely Celtic forebears > To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com>, <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <51DA98CE006778A7@woodbine.london.02.net> (added by > postmaster@woodbine.london.02.net) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Dear List > > I suppose that the dearth of traffic on genealogical websites is due > to the seasonal weather and the excitement at the Royal birth. > > The Guardian claims that William and Kate's son is the 41st in direct > line of descent from Egbert, King of Wessex, who ruled from 802 to > 839. I wondered if any of our expert genealogists could give him a > more ancient forebear from a Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) royal line? > > Anna > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > ************************************* ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

Dear Rhodri, Very interesting! Can he be any relation of Colonel The Rev. Sir Edwyn Arthur Cholmondeley-Featherstonehaugh-Farquhar-Parquhar*, VC (and bar), AC, DC, VD, JCB, of Connemquickly, Ballylooney in the County of Sligo, Genealogical Consultant to the McGillycuddy of the Reeks? Best wishes, Richard *Pronounced (as everyone knows) Chumly-Fanshaw-Farkar-Parkar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RHODRI DAFIS" <rdafis@fsmail.net> To: "Anna Brueton" <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk>; "Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas" <arthur.turnerthomas@live.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com>; <achwr@fsmail.net> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:57 PM Subject: [Dyfed] The Mythical Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner- Thomas > List, > > There have been recent posts by "Sir" Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas V.C., > G.C., K.G., (Wales), K.C.B. > > He is responsible for Celtic Royal Genealogy on Rootsweb. > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=aet-t > > An interesting character to say the least. > > See: > http://crackpotwatch.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/the-mythical-sir-arthur-edwin-turner-thomas > > And: > http://waltermittyhunt.com/index.php/report-a-walt/viewgroup/98-vc-walt-sir-arthur-ewyn-turner-thomas-vc-gc-kg-wales-kcb-kcmg-historian-to-h-r-h-the-countess-of-wessex#.Uiuf3vlwacw > > And: http://www.victoriacrosssociety.com/vcs_journal_index.htm > > And: > http://launch.dir.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/welshfolk/conversations/topics/8062 > > Seems to suffer from delusions, and I suggest that list members treat his > information with caution. > > Best wishes, > > Rhodri Dafis > > ======================================== > Message Received: Sep 06 2013, 06:28 PM > From: "Anna Brueton" <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> > To: "Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas" <arthur.turnerthomas@live.com>, > dyfed@rootsweb.com, achwr@fsmail.net > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Sir Edward Vaughan Mansel and his Clandestine > Marriage part 2 > > I am extremely grateful for all this information. I should perhaps > have said that this is not my family; I am merely interested in > marriage customs and the like. > > I note that a 'Dame Anne Mansell' of Strade was buried on 20 January > 1763 aged 26 (Dyfed list posting Dec 2012) and wondered whether this > might have been Woodford's daughter. This would be consistent with > Anne's baptism in 1736, and Edward Vaughan Mansel's marriage to Mary > Shewen later in 1763. Not sure why Ann was at Stradey though - > Edward's seat was at Trimsaran. > > Anna > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Rhodri > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Rhodri - We had a great flood in between, did we not? Then everyone would have to be descendants of Noah, not just Adam and Eve. Yes? Kind of like with an hourglass, we'd have to start over with Noah. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: RHODRI DAFIS Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:52 PM To: Robert Treharne Jones ; dyfed Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 Robert, "Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific." according to some of the mythical pedigrees, that the mythical "sir" Arthur appears to believe in, is the 63rd in line from Adam and Eve. How therefore could he be the 77th King of Ireland. If Katherine Middleton is his 78th Great Granddaughter she must at the most the 155th Great Granddaughter of Adam and Eve. Allowing a generous 3 generations per century, then Adam and Eve lived 5200 years ago approx. Adam and his descendants must have been more prolific than "Olioll Casfiacalach" to have populated the world in such a short time. Stonehenge commenced 4600 years ago. Pyramids in Egypt commenced 4600 years ago. 20 Generations from Adam and Eve, and there was a work-force of thousands. Anyone who subscribes to this, needs his head tested, which is why I cannot have any faith in anything else they say. I suppose it provides light entertainment, for list members. Best wishes, Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Sep 10 2013, 07:34 PM From: "Robert Treharne Jones" <tjwizard@tiscali.co.uk> To: "dyfed" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 Since 2^81 is a very large number it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that most of us are descended in some way from Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas Sent: 10 September 2013 09:54 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 27th great granddaughter of Llywelyn Fawr ab Iorwerth, Tywysog Cymru. Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 32nd great granddaughter of Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr Tywysog Deheubarth. Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 78th great granddaughter of Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific, 77th Monarch of Ireland > From: dyfed-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:00:21 -0600 > > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Princely Celtic forebears (Theo & Anna Brueton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:04:39 +0100 > From: Theo & Anna Brueton <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] Princely Celtic forebears > To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com>, <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <51DA98CE006778A7@woodbine.london.02.net> (added by > postmaster@woodbine.london.02.net) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Dear List > > I suppose that the dearth of traffic on genealogical websites is due > to the seasonal weather and the excitement at the Royal birth. > > The Guardian claims that William and Kate's son is the 41st in direct > line of descent from Egbert, King of Wessex, who ruled from 802 to > 839. I wondered if any of our expert genealogists could give him a > more ancient forebear from a Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) royal line? > > Anna > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > ************************************* ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 27th great granddaughter of Llywelyn Fawr ab Iorwerth, Tywysog Cymru. Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 32nd great granddaughter of Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr Tywysog Deheubarth. Katherine Elizabeth Middleton Duchess of Cambridge is the 78th great granddaughter of Olioll Casfiacalach the Prolific, 77th Monarch of Ireland > From: dyfed-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:00:21 -0600 > > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Princely Celtic forebears (Theo & Anna Brueton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:04:39 +0100 > From: Theo & Anna Brueton <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] Princely Celtic forebears > To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com>, <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <51DA98CE006778A7@woodbine.london.02.net> (added by > postmaster@woodbine.london.02.net) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Dear List > > I suppose that the dearth of traffic on genealogical websites is due > to the seasonal weather and the excitement at the Royal birth. > > The Guardian claims that William and Kate's son is the 41st in direct > line of descent from Egbert, King of Wessex, who ruled from 802 to > 839. I wondered if any of our expert genealogists could give him a > more ancient forebear from a Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) royal line? > > Anna > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 160 > *************************************

Elwyn, What does this have to do with Dyfed?? A quick check of FreeBMD yourself would have told you that there were 12 Joseph VALENTINES born in Lancashire between 1905 and 1912. You could also have found that there seem to be no Joseph VALENTINES who married an Elizabeth or Bett* in Lancashire between 1923 and 1945. Dai On 09/09/2013 22:36, E.Schreuder wrote: > > > Hello list, > > > > My late mother was very friendly with the above mentioned people. > > I have some photo's on them, but know not much more. > > She possible meet them when she trained as a nurse in Manchester childrens > Hospital near 1936. > > Joe Valentine possible was born near 1907/1910. > > They were a live in 1951 when my mother got married. Think they must have > come from the Manchester/Liverpool area. > > Can somebody help me? > > > > Elwyn - netherlands. > >

Hello list, My late mother was very friendly with the above mentioned people. I have some photo's on them, but know not much more. She possible meet them when she trained as a nurse in Manchester childrens Hospital near 1936. Joe Valentine possible was born near 1907/1910. They were a live in 1951 when my mother got married. Think they must have come from the Manchester/Liverpool area. Can somebody help me? Elwyn - netherlands. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- Geen virus gevonden in dit bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 2013.0.3392 / Virusdatabase: 3222/6629 - datum van uitgifte: 09/01/13

Thanks very much for this - I hadn't realised the pedigrees were online. I see that Edward Vaughan Mansel was about 19 at the time of the clandestine marriage in 1749, not 25 as I had thought (that was his age when the case came to the Consistory Court). Another detail missing from the pedigrees is that according to testimony in the consistory court, Edward's mother Mary, the widow of Rawleigh Mansel (d. 1748) had by 1749 married a dancing master, a Mr Collins. Somehow that seems a little unsavoury. Perhaps dancing masters had celebrity status in those days? Anna At 16:53 07/09/2013, Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas wrote: >The Mansel pedigree >http://www.llgc.org.uk/drychdigidol/ace/ACE00002/32/zoom.html?lng=en >and >http://www.llgc.org.uk/drychdigidol/ace/ACE00003/238/zoom.html?lng=en > is found within the work of Alcwyn Carni Evans which is online at >The national Library of Wales, as is the Shewen pedigree >http://www.llgc.org.uk/drychdigidol/ace/ACE00003/250/zoom.html?lng=en > and further at >http://www.llgc.org.uk/drychdigidol/ace/ACE00003/251/zoom.html?lng=en > > >================================ >Dyfed list REVISED resources >http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

List, There have been recent posts by "Sir" Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas V.C., G.C., K.G., (Wales), K.C.B. He is responsible for Celtic Royal Genealogy on Rootsweb. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=aet-t An interesting character to say the least. See: http://crackpotwatch.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/the-mythical-sir-arthur-edwin-turner-thomas And: http://waltermittyhunt.com/index.php/report-a-walt/viewgroup/98-vc-walt-sir-arthur-ewyn-turner-thomas-vc-gc-kg-wales-kcb-kcmg-historian-to-h-r-h-the-countess-of-wessex#.Uiuf3vlwacw And: http://www.victoriacrosssociety.com/vcs_journal_index.htm And: http://launch.dir.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/welshfolk/conversations/topics/8062 Seems to suffer from delusions, and I suggest that list members treat his information with caution. Best wishes, Rhodri Dafis ======================================== Message Received: Sep 06 2013, 06:28 PM From: "Anna Brueton" <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> To: "Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas" <arthur.turnerthomas@live.com>, dyfed@rootsweb.com, achwr@fsmail.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Sir Edward Vaughan Mansel and his Clandestine Marriage part 2 I am extremely grateful for all this information. I should perhaps have said that this is not my family; I am merely interested in marriage customs and the like. I note that a 'Dame Anne Mansell' of Strade was buried on 20 January 1763 aged 26 (Dyfed list posting Dec 2012) and wondered whether this might have been Woodford's daughter. This would be consistent with Anne's baptism in 1736, and Edward Vaughan Mansel's marriage to Mary Shewen later in 1763. Not sure why Ann was at Stradey though - Edward's seat was at Trimsaran. Anna ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri