Part 2 5) Hersendis, second wife of Wm Count of Eu (Keats-Rohan) I have no children for this marriage, but have other information form Dave -- UTZ on Gen-Med. Dave thinks that William of Eu and Count William of Eu are two different people and he presents very convincing arguments. Keats-Rohan reports that Heresendi was the second wife of Count William. So this debate has not been settled, yet. Story on William of Eu. (from Dave) "In the Domesday, Wm of Eu succeeded his mother and Ralph de Limesi in the ownership of 77 manors in the Western and Southwestern counties which had belonged to Alestan of Boscome in Wiltshire. They were scattered over 9 counties and valued at £401 per annum. They formed a Barony of great importance and were known collectively as the Honor of Strigul." However, they were forfeited to Walter son of Richard de Clare (son of Gilbert of Eu). Count William of Eu, in 1095, was one of the leaders of a rebellion against William Rufus and he conspired with others to put Stephen Count of Aumale on the throne of England. For this treason, he was cruelly mutilated in prison at Salisbury in January 1096. His cruel punishment is mentioned, Dave says, in every chronicle of the period and they all avoid describing the sufferer as the Count of Eu. For sure, he was William of Eu. Dave also reports, "It is quite certain that William of Eu's wife, who was the Earl of Chester's sister, and whose jealousy was fatal to her husband, was not the wife of William Count of Eu." As I reported above Dave goes on to justify the distinction very convincingly. Well, it would seem to me that William of Eu was a very rich man and his children would have been given valuable estates as well, not some very poor property in Cheshire in 1086 by their uncle, ten years prior to their father's death which makes me feel that Odard was liklely not a descendent of this William. Now, on the other hand Earl Hugh had quite a few illegitimate children and this seems more likely to me, at this point, but I remain, searching for Odard's father! Carole