GAIL- This is an FYI re: the info John Peters put together. In preparing Bronson's SAR application, I've noticed a snag in his lineal descent. I was hoping you might be able to help with some census stuff. For your reference, here is the two-generation descendancy from Richard Peters I have. I'll be referring to several pieces of information within it. Descendants of Richard Peters 1 Richard Peters b: June 22, 1743 in Belmont, Philadelphia, PA d: February 1829 in Philadelphia, PA +Sarah Robinson b: Abt 1745 m: August 22, 1776 in Philadelphia, PA d: December 22, 1804 2 Pennell Peters b: June 13, 1802 in Philadelphia, PA d: April 15, 1891 in Shavertown, Concord Twp., Delaware Co., PA +Rebecca Pyle b: June 11, 1804 m: Abt 1830 d: May 03, 1856 2 Ralph Peters b: November 28, 1777 in Yorktown, D. Lime Ridge, Pennsylvania (?) d: November 11, 1842 +Catherine Conyngham b: August 29, 1786 in Ireland m: October 03, 1806 in Philadelphia, PA d: May 14, 1839 2 Richard Peters b: 1779 d: 1848 +Abigail Willing 2 Maria Wilhelmina Peters b: 1781 +William Shippen Willing b: 1779 2 Thomas Peters b: 1782 d: 1784 2 Sarah Robinson Peters b: 1785 d: 1850 2 Thomas Peters b: 1787 Also, here is the two-generation descendancy from William Peters to show Richard's known siblings: Descendants of William Peters 1 William Peters b: 1702 in England d: September 1789 in England +Elizabeth Bailey b: Abt 1705 m: Bef 1739 in England d: Abt 1739 2 Ralph Peters b: 1729 in England 2 James Peters b: in England 2 Willy Peters b: in England 2 Eleanor Peters b: in England *2nd Wife of William Peters: +Mary Brientnall b: Abt 1720 m: 1741 in Philadelphia, PA d: 1795 in England 2 William Peters b: 1742 in Belmont, Philadelphia, PA d: Abt 1820 2 Richard Peters b: June 22, 1743 in Belmont, Philadelphia, PA d: February 1829 in Philadelphia, PA +Sarah Robinson b: Abt 1745 m: August 22, 1776 in Philadelphia, PA d: December 22, 1804 2 Mary Peters b: December 16, 1750 in Belmont, Philadelphia, PA 2 Thomas Peters b: August 01, 1752 in Belmont, Philadelphia, PA I was looking through my documentation and found the 1850 Concord Twp., Delaware Co., PA census I had copied for Pennell Peters, Sr. I had for a while suspected that there may be another generation between him and Richard. This supicion became a little more prominent after correspondence with J. Howard Pew Black. His line is through Richard's son, Ralph, and his son, Richard, who became prominent in Atlanta, GA. The household members listed in the 1850 census are as follows: Pennell Peters 48 M Millwright 1200 PA Rebecca [Pyle] 46 F PA William 21 M Farmer PA Daniel 17 M Farmer PA Rebecca 15 F DE Pennell 13 M PA Dutton 8 M PA Thomas 3 M PA Elizabeth Peters 75 F PA Elizabeth Elfrey 8 F PA The bold evidences my problem. I have a hunch that this is Pennell's mother, not Sarah Robinson (Richard's wife). And if you look at Richard's other children, none of them married an Elizabeth. Then I considered the children of Richard's siblings. Richard is the only one for whom I have a marriage or children. I have no idea who Elizabeth Elfrey is. Do either of you have any ideas? I guess the first step would be to look in the 1810 census for a head of household with one of the common names in either Philadelphia or Concord who is 35 y/o with a wife named Elizabeth who is the same age (+ or - a few years). I guess it is possible that Elizabeth could be a Pennell. I have an 1810 census for Aston Twp., Delaware Co., PA that shows a William Peters (although I think this a descendant of the ever-so-confusing Rees Peters line). The head of household is in the 26-45 range and he has 1 son 11-16 and another son under 10. His wife is also 26-45. Another page of that census shows: 1. William Peters, Jr., 2 sons under 10, 2 sons 11-16, 2 sons 16-18, and himself 26-45. He also has 2 daus under 10, 1 dau 11-16, 1 dau 16-18, and his wife 26-45. 2. Thomas Peters, 1 son under 10, himself 16-26, 3 daus under 10, and his wife 16-26. I have a copy of the 1800 PA Census Index and it shows the following: Peters, Richard Esq. 3:09 CPHL (Central Phil.) WN (Walnut Ward) There no others in WN. Others that may be related based on location would be: Peters, Eliza 44:09 CPHL UD (Upper Delaware Ward) Peters, Francis 42:09 CPHL UD Peters, George 29:09 CPHL LD (Lower Delaware Ward) Peters, John 32:09 CPHL LD Peters, John 16:09 CPHL CN (Chestnut Ward) Peters, Thomas T. 28:09 CPHL LD Peters, Widow 65:09 CPHL SM (South Mulberry Ward) The ones listed in Aston are: Peters, John 155:04 DLWR AS Peters, Thomas 156:04 DLWR AS Peters, William Jr 155:04 DLWR AS Peters, William Sr 156:04 DLWR AS Of the research I did for the 1800 census (looking for a 25 y/o male) I found that the only households with a male in that range would be: Phil Co.: John Peters of Germantown Phil Cty: Richard Peters, Esq. of Walnut Ward and Thomas T. Peters of Lower Delaware Ward Del Co.: Thomas Peters of Aston Of the research I did for the 1810 census (lloking for a 35 y/o male) I found that the only households with a male in that range would be: Del Co.: Thomas Peters of Aston (who had Pennells and Jacob Pyle as neighbors; 1 male and 3 daus under 10) and William Peters, Jr. of Aston (2 sons under 10, 2 sons 10-16, 2 sons 16-26, 2 daus under 10, 1 dau 10-16, and 1 dau 16-26) Phil Co.: none Phil Cty: William Peters, store asst., page 74; Evan Peters, bricklayer, page 96; while Thomas T. Peters was in the 45+ bracket as a bookbinder. SO at this point it is leaning towards Thomas Peters of Aston and a birth date range of 1765-1774 in PA. In the 1820 PA Census Index, there is only 1 Thomas Peters: page 81, Thornbury Twp., Delaware Co. But there is also William Peters, Jr. in Aston who is now in the 45 y/o and over range. Thomas Peters of Thornbury in 1820 was still in the 26-45 range which would adjust his possible birth date range to either 1774 or 1775. In that census he has 2 sons under ten and 1 10-16, 1 dau under 10 and 2 daus 16-26. His wife is also 26-45 and he is shown as being engaged in agriculture. William Peters, Jr. and his wife are both 45 y/o+ with 1 son 10-16, 1 son 16-18, 2 sons 16-26, 1 dau 10-16, 2 daus 16-26. 1 person in agriculture and 1 in manufacturing. In Volume 2 of PA Vital Statistics (page 196) there are listed Deaths in The Dutton Family. On that list are: William Peters Nov 9, 1814 and William Peters, Jr. Mar 13, 1831 (This would explain why Sr. was not present in the 1820 census) Another option I have to findout more to direct us would be to do research at Delaware County Historical Society in the US Direct Tax (usually found at National Archives M372, Rolls 1-17 and 24). This provides the names of property owners and occupants, # of dwelling houses, and names of adjacent land owners. The rolls containing 1790-1825 for Delaware Co. are supposedly there. Earlier rolls are at Chester Co. Archives ( as early as 1715), which I could use one Pennell's father is determined. Those for 1790-1905 are at Neuman College Library in Aston, and this is closer, so I'll check there first. Pennell is also on CD#140. Do you know what that is? If anyone has any thoughts on this I would appreciate it.