Hello Duttons: I have more information about connections to Richard de Gand (later written as Gaunt), but I have been timid in sending you guys all the info I have, as I think that I am only one of two or three people interested in this era. As Darrell has pointed out, others are trying to get back to the ocean and many are trying to cross the ocean. Should I keep sending this info? Btw, I have re-documented the PA John Dutton line (with primary sources) back to the 16th century with Hugh Dutton of Woodhouses--I have only five more generations to go--we might lose our link to the gentry as identified by Lawson, but maybe not. I am still working on it. OSU library's air conditioning doesn't work. I had planned on going there every day in July, but the temperature in the building was well over 100 degrees; thus, I stayed home. When the weather gets cooler, I'll be on my way, again. Here is a deja.com link to a lineage posted to gen-med or soc.genealogy.medieval that links one of our grandmothers back to King Henry II. Interesting and also documented by Ed Mann (although some of his sources are questionable! and missing!). http://x21.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=507803100.1&CONTEXT=936393000.790298657&hitnum=2 Carole