Yes, Curt. I am certain that John Dutton was in Pennsylvania at the time his land was laid out. That means he was in Pa by October 1682. And I do not believe he departed for Pa before William Penn sold land to Thomas Rowland in March of 1681. That sale is described in a subsequent Dutton deed of 1712 as "WHEREAS by virtue of certain Deeds of Lease & Release Bearing Date on or about the Second & Third days of the first month called March in the Year 1681(?) made between the Honourable William Penn Esq. Proprietary and Governour of the sd Province of the one part and Thomas Rowland of the County Palatine of Chester in the Kingdom of Great Brittain afore sd of the other part for the consideration therein mentioned did grant & confirm unto the sd Thomas Rowland One Thousand Acres of Land in the sd Province of Pensilvania..." Half of this 1000 acres was subsequently sold to John Dutton in May 1682: "sd Thomas Rowland One Thousand Acres of Land in the sd Province of Pensilvania as by the sd Deeds Refferrence thereunto being had may at large appear AND WHEREAS the sd Thomas Rowland By his Indenture Bearing Date the two & Twentieth day of the third month called May in the thirty fourth year of the Reign of King Charles the Second over England &c. Annoque Domini 1682 did Bargain & Sell for the consideration therein mentioned unto John Dutton late of Aston " It was then laid out in October. When the Penn/Rowland sale was made in 1681 I am certain that Penn, Rowland, and Dutton were all still in Cheshire, England. I also believe (but am not as sure) that the Rowland/Dutton sale took place when both were still in Cheshire, England. I believe John Dutton sailed for Pa only after obtaining the deed to the land. That means he would have crossed the Atlantic between May and October 1682. I have not felt comfortable with the statement that Dutton was on the Welcome because not all accounts of the Welcome include him as a passenger. There were evidently quite a few people who travelled on the Welcome who were not subsequently named. What were he sailing and arrival dates of the Welcome. Does it fit inside the May/October 1682 correctly? -----Original Message----- From: Curt Rowe <curtrowe@ix.netcom.com> To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com <DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 8:00 PM Subject: RE: Ship Passenger Lists >Here's something that Doug Hall posted a while back: > >I have a paper manuscript that is the DUTTON copy of the surveyor's report >laying out the land of John DUTTON in 1682. I also have the manuscript >parchments of other DUTTON related deeds and agreements from before 1720. > >The surveyor's report also mentions Nathaniel EVANS, John WAREL, John NEILD, >and John EDGE. It is written on both sides. Here is the text. > >Side 1: >"By Order and Direction from the Governor for setting out lands to the >Purchasers in Pennsylvania etc. I hereby Authorize three to Survey or lay >out to Tho. Rowland's assign four hundred and eighty acres on the Western >Side of Upland Creek next to Nathaniel Evans and next Lay out to John Warel >two hundred and forty acres and next lay out to John Neild two hundred and >forty acres and Next John Edge one hundred and twenty and return to me a >true Duplicate of teh field work and Protracted figures which are to remain >in my Office Dated the 10th of ye 7 mo 1682. Thomas Holme Surv > >To Charles Ashcome Surveyor >A true Copy by Jacob Taylor" > >Side 2: >"October the 8th 1682 >Laid out for John Dutton 500 of land on the West of Upland Creek beginning >at Nathaniel Evans Corner tree being Sycamore and running WSW into the woods >565 perches to a marked Red Oak then NW 150 perches to a marked White Oak >from there ENE 598 perches to a marked Red OAk standing by Upland Creek from >there along the Creek side on several courses to the first Corner tree. >by me Charles Ashcome >A true Copy by Jacob Taylor" > >The second side has a hand drawn map of the bounds of the property that is >seemingly to scale. > >I suppose it's possible that John Dutton wasn't present when his land was >laid out, but I don't think it is likely. > >A John Dutton and wife are listed as passengers on the Welcome which arrived >at the head of Delaware Bay in November 1682. The list of passengers is >from the 'History of Philedelphia 1883'. In a article 'The Real Welcome >Passenger' by Marion Balderston many passengers claimed to be on the welcome >are discounted. John Dutton is not even mentioned as not commimg on the >Welcome. In the case of other passengers Balderston argues that they would >not have made the trip to London to sail on the Welcome when they could have >boarded a ship much closer to home in Chershire: Liverpool. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carole Malisiak [mailto:malisiak@midohio.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 9:00 AM >> To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Ship Passenger Lists >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have been over to Delaware County (PA) web page and have checked out >> all the passengers that they have listed as coming to Delaware Co in >> 1681 to 1687 and found not even one Dutton. I did find Wm Penn. I was >> looking for John Dutton who must have come over after 1687, unless >> someone else knows exactly when he came and on which ship. If you do, >> I'd be very happy to know! >> >> http://199.72.15.191/Sites/Gen/Del2/scripts/ListShips.asp >> >> Thanks, >> Carole Dutton Malisiak >> >> > >