Hi all, I wrote to a young fella on the web who has posted a relationship to Odard (not a Dutton) and the response I received was that FSA probably stands for "Fellow of the Society of Antiquarians" Subject #2 I, personally, am having great difficulty accepting, as is, the family connections to the Dukes of Normandy because of relationship problems. I have graphed the data from Curt Rowe's web page (and David Douglas) from Richard I to the Conqueror. This results in William 4th Count of Eu being a cousin to Wm the Conq. and Odard being a cousin to Hugh d'Avranches. If Cope is correct on page 12 he says Wm the Conqueror is their great Uncle, then this cannot be a correct listing. And when I add in the ancestors of Hugh Lupus, then Helisende is an Aunt to Hugh and cousins with Odard. This is all wrong, if Cope is correct!!! Richard I and Gunnor de Crepon 1) Wm, 2nd Count of Eu 1) Richard II, the Good 1 Toustein le Goz + Judith 2) Robert, 3rd Count of Eu 2) Robert I & Herleve de Falaise 2 Herluin, Viscounte de Conteville m Herleve de Falaise 3) Wm, 4th Count of Eu 3) Wm, the Conqueror 3 Emma de Conteville m. m. Helisende d'Avranches Richard d/Avranches 4) Odard 4 Hugh Lupus d'Avranches I also looked at Hull's data. Boy! Brian Thompsett is somethng else! First of all, he reports that Emma de Conteville is fictitious. Since she was supposed to be married to Richard d'Avranches, and since Hugh Lupus d'Avranches and Helisende d'Avranches were their children, I have a problem with this! So, Thompsett was no help at all! I found another web page where everything makes sense with Gilbert Cope. It is, of course, undocumented, but at least everything goes together according to Cope. http://www.empirenet.com/~lafaye/d0001/g0000091.html#I1508 The only difference between the above page and (David Douglas and Curt Rowe) is that William the 2nd Count of Eu is the son of Richard II instead of Richard I. This shifts all the relationships down one generation on the Eu side and makes Odard the nephew of Hugh Lupus and the great grandson of the Conqueror!! This would be great if I could document it! I have written the author for the sources! (I hope my charts come out right!) 1) Richard I and Gunnor de Crepon 2) Richard II, the Good 3) Wm, 2nd Count of Eu 3) Robert I & Herleve de Falaise 3 Herluin, Viscounte de Conteville m Herleve de Falaise 4) Robert, 3rd Count of Eu 4) Wm, the Conqueror 4 Emma de Conteville m. 5) Wm, 4th Count of Eu Richard d/Avranches m. Helisende d'Avranches 5 Hugh Lupus d'Avranches 6) Odard Carole Dutton Malisiak