Perhaps the web site intended to say that the Welcome sailed in August of 1682, which was the case. Balderston has it arriving 27 Oct 1682 while E. B. Cowgill says in the first weeks of November. It is likely that E. B. Cowgill compiled the list by taking the word of some that their ancestors arrived on the Welcome. As with the Battle of Hastings, many people would like to believe in some famous association. After a few generations wishful thinking becomes fact. There was a belief on my mothers side that our Bartlett ancestor was descended from Robert Bartlett of Mayflower fame and Josiah Bartlett who signed the Declaration of Independence. This is not possible since the two Bartletts are of different lines. I'm not positive of the link to Robert Bartlett either. > -----Original Message----- > From: Carole Malisiak [mailto:malisiak@midohio.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 6:52 PM > To: curtrowe@ix.netcom.com > Subject: Re: Ship Passenger Lists > > > Hi Curt, > > Thanks for the information. I have written to Mary Harris in PA to > inquire if they put all their ships lists up on the web, yet. She has > the Welcome arriving in August, 1682, and you tell me that the ship > arrived in November, 1682. The ship could've come back in November and > Mary just doesn't have it uploaded yet or maybe she just doesn't have > the passenger lists from ALL the ships. > > Re: Marion Balderston. I don't understand (maybe I'm naieve!) why > anyone would make up a bogus passenger list. If they are on the list, > that's good enough for me even if we do not understand why they'd go to > London instead of Liverpool to board a ship. > > Thanks again, for your help, > Carole Dutton Malisiak > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > > Side 2: > > "October the 8th 1682 > > Laid out for John Dutton 500 of land on the West of Upland > Creek beginning > > at Nathaniel Evans Corner tree being Sycamore and running WSW > into the woods > > 565 perches to a marked Red Oak then NW 150 perches to a marked > White Oak > > from there ENE 598 perches to a marked Red OAk standing by > Upland Creek from > > there along the Creek side on several courses to the first Corner tree. > > by me Charles Ashcome > > A true Copy by Jacob Taylor" > > > I suppose it's possible that John Dutton wasn't present when > his land was > > laid out, but I don't think it is likely. > > > > A John Dutton and wife are listed as passengers on the Welcome > which arrived > > at the head of Delaware Bay in November 1682. The list of passengers is > > from the 'History of Philedelphia 1883'. In a article 'The Real Welcome > > Passenger' by Marion Balderston many passengers claimed to be > on the welcome > > are discounted. John Dutton is not even mentioned as not commimg on the > > Welcome. In the case of other passengers Balderston argues > that they would > > not have made the trip to London to sail on the Welcome when > they could have > > boarded a ship much closer to home in Chershire: Liverpool. >