Carole, I don't see the problem with a few Normans having Anglo-Saxon first names. Aethelred's wife was Duke Richard of Normandy's daughter Emma, their son Edward took refuge in Normandy when Cnut stole the throne. No doubt Edward took various nobles, their ladies and children with him. He lived their for over 25 years, in that time no doubt some of the children married Normans, this would have cemented Edwards claim to Norman help to regain the throne of England. I expect that Saxon names may well have become fashionable amongst the Norman nobility and some of them may well have given some of their children Saxon names. People often think to themselves, "I like that name, so what if it is foreign, I will call my son that!" I have no proof that they did this, but your so called experts probably cannot disprove it either! Lots of things happened in the past for which there is no documantary proof existing today, perhaps Ormerod saw documents which we haven't got the benefit of. Ormerod says in Vol. One page 643 "Now followeth THE PEDIGREE OF THE DUTTONS OF DUTTON, faithfully collected from the evidences of that family, and other good records and deeds." Perhaps he saw some family records which no longer exist? A lot of families lost a great deal of property during the Civil War. He wrote this about 1665, just after the Civil War, no doubt from years of research. Cannon and shot do not respect property! Ask the experts to produce documentary proof that Odards father wasn't an Anglophile who happened to decide to give his children unusual first names. You have documantary proof that says he may well have done, they don't have documantary proof to say he didn't! Twice I have subscribed to the GenMed list and twice I have unsubscribed because I got fed up reading messages from airheads slagging each other off! GenMed seems to have a lot of people stuffed full of their own importance who cannot get an airing anywhere else. Regards, Nick >Hi Phyllis, >My search for Odard's parents is going very poorly. I have checked the >GEN-MEDIEVAL-L archives and the expert's, Todd A. Famerie and Paul C. >Reed, report this: > >Odard has no parents, the information supplied by Ormerod is patently >false, it is imaginery, it is fabulous, it is fantasy. > >So! Needless to say, I am very unhappy. I have just read taf's >messages today. I had a note from pcr in December stating that both of >Odard's fathers were fantasy. I think that the evidence cited by pcr is >weak. He throws Odard's two fathers out because he says that the names >Odard, Edard, Geffrey, Wlofaith, Horsynne, and Nigel are Anglo-Saxon >names and that the information was derived from Dugdale's Monasticon >Anglianun vi. 315 and Ormerod i, 689-90 and that early monastic >pedigrees are notorious for untrustowrthiness. Nicolas Blackhurst, in Chester (The Roman Fortress of Deva), England nicolas.blackhurst@virgin.net Web Site: http://freespace.virgin.net/nicolas.blackhurst/homepage.htm