Hi Dick, Nick, and everyone!! I have spent nearly the entire day trying to answer your question, but I think that I may have an attention disorder because I look up something and I get sidetracked, then I get sidetracked from my sidetrack...then a couple of hours later, I remember what I was supposed to be doing. Well..... The Preponderance of Evidence for Odard's father is with Ivo of the Cotentin as I have found no evidence at all for William Count of Eu (but I am still looking, as I have not found a wife or any children for William III, Count of Eu). Now Ivo. I found in the Gen-Med archives a person named Ivo went with William to Conquer England. Wace says that viscount Nigel fought with Duke William. Dugdale's Monasticon Anglianum states that Nigel, "is said to have come to England with earl Hugh of Chester accompanied by five brothers: Hudardus, et al." Round shows that Nigel, vct. de St. Sauveur had two sons named William, three daughters, and two other sons [not named so one could be called Ivo]. So, for this very moment, the preponderence of evidence, limited as it is, is with Ivo from the Cotentin. Right now this looks like a lifetime project, especially with my sidetracks!! I have written to a stneel@aol.com who has been studying the St. Sauveur's for many years and who knows much more than I do. PH Lawson seems pretty accurate and I wish we had his sources instead of having to reinvent the wheel. I won't have any freetime for two weeks. Geez! See ya all, Carole _______________ Dick Dutton wrote: > Nicolas Blackhurst wrote: > > Carole, > > I don't see the problem with a few Normans having Anglo-Saxon first names. > > -----------------------------Snip------------------------------------------ > Hi Nick, > > Good for you! I agree with your position 100% but do not have the detailed knowledge to express it nearly as well. Like you, I have subscribed, and unsubscribed to the GenMed List - for the same reasons. (In defense of that List, however, there are a couple of very knowledgeable and helpful individuals to be found there.) > > I also agree, in principal, with those who say that every fact should be documented with original source data, but we all know that this Utopia can never be achieved. Many of the necessary documents, if they ever existed, have long since ceased to exist. In their absence, I feel we have no practical choice other than to proceed with the "Preponderance of Evidence" and let the Nea Sayers produce the documentation to prove us wrong. > > That said, Carole - who do you (and the Preponderance of Evidence) favor for our ??G grandpappy (Odard's dad)? I am thoroughly confused. > > Dick