File No. log9611c http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/G/GEN-MEDIEVAL+1996+550811169063+F ============================================================ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:27:37 -0500 Reply-To: Medieval Genealogy Discussion List <GEN-MEDIEVAL@MAIL.EWORLD.COM> Sender: Medieval Genealogy Discussion List <GEN-MEDIEVAL@MAIL.EWORLD.COM> From: John Yohalem <enchante@ESCAPE.COM> Subject: Re: Visigothic connection to Clodoveo, K. of France MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have the parents of Leovigildo, King of the West Goths as Amalarico and > Clotilde, daughter of Clodoveo, first Christian King of France. > > This Clodoveo seems to ring a bell as a connection to a more familiar name, > Clovis, which has appeared from time to time in this newsgroup. Is this > Clodoceo also Clovis or related to him in some manner? > > One of the problems I run into from time to time is the language variation of > the same name to the extent that it is not readily identifiable. > > Alonso in the Castillan for Alphonso in the Spanish and Carlos V for Charles > the 5th works out well but get into some Latin naming and it quickly becomes > disorienting. Any ideas? > > thanks, > > John > jdecelis@msn.com Clovis = Chlodovech = Clodoveo = Louis, by the way. Clovis was a version of his name that the great Frank never heard. Louis is how we pronounce it nowadays -- also Ludwig, of course. Alfonso is a shortening of Hildefons, Ildefonso, an early Spanish patron saint. Carlos and Felipe were names unknown in Spain until the Burgundians ascended the throne in the 16th century and took Fernando back to Germany as Ferdinand at the same time. Other amusing cognates: Jacob = Iago = Jacques = James = Jaime. John = Ivan = Jean = Jehan = Giovanni = Joao = Joan (Catalan) = Janos = Ivo = Yves = Yvon = Yontek = Jo-Han (Chinese) = Vanni = Hans = Gianni George = Jorge = Yuri = Georg = Giorgio = Voytech Isabella = Elizabeth = Isabeau Joan = Jean (Scots) = Jane = Giovanna = Ivanka = Johana = Juana =Yvonne Agnes = Inez Haroun = Aaron Esther = Ishtar = Astarte = Ashtaroth Helen = Elyena = Ilka Sophia = Sonia Yolanda = Iolanthe = Violante Margaret = Gretel = Peggy = Gruoch = Margotta Eleanor = Leonora Stephanie = Etienette Alexander = Iskander = Sandro = Sandor Hercules = Herakles = Irakle You get all sorts of names mixed up if you read genealogies in different languages and do not check back to see who you've got. Generally, the older a name is, the likelier it is to have a version in another language. Thus, for instance, in English we have our own names for Roma, Milano, Moskva, Wien, Varshava, Kobnhavn, Beijing and Praha because we've been dealing with them for so long. We follow the custom of the country for Kuala Lumpur and Djakarta and Buenos Aires because we haven't been trading with them for quite so many centuries. Jean Coeur de Lapin