Hi All, James Tait, 'the great Cheshire historian,' pcr--has written a history which debunks the father of Odard. I cannot read this book, which I very much want to (frustrating), but maybe someone from England can read it if they want to. It is probably in a library located there. I have no access to it. What pcr is saying is that all the other Cheshire historians are wrong (which is pretty amazing to me!!). Carole