Hello All, I've been surfin again, which is always dangerous, as I pick up strange ideas sometimes. But the BBC is over there in England digging folks up from construction sites and reconstructing faces of the dead and having their DNA analyzed. Makes me want to dig up one of ours!!! Sure would be a faster way to establish paternity than trying to read 17th century wills that look like they are written in Cyrillic!! :)) The link below leads to "Meet the Ancestors" story about Sir Nicholas Manley whose will was dated 1520. He, perhaps, would have been a contemporary of Sir Lawrence Dutton who died in 1527. Here's where I get really werid! Maybe, we could have a couple of male donors from PA John's line, from MA John's line and VA Dutton line contribute some fluid samples and see if the DNA matches? ...........Don't shoot!!.........it's just a thought! :)) http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/ancestors/blackhand.shtml carole