http://www.dutton.com/. you might like this

Hello Carole, It does seem strange, doesn't it? As you say, if you do not know the exact date use Dec. Of course, who ever wrote the program may have got it wrong? This is Nick Blackhurst signing off in Stardate 1999.4.26 At 07:24 PM 4/25/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Nick, > >Thanks for your response. I thought of that, too, so I thought that the >year should change in March--not July. It just makes no sense to me. >Also, I thought that maybe the date would change on the monarach's >accession date, but it didn't change then either. It changes >arbitrarily, it seems to me, in July!!! > >So, what it seems to boil down to is that, if you do not have a >day/month and only the Regnal year and your date is before 1752, then >you should use a december month in order to get the correct date! Does >that make sense? > >Carole >ps: I hope people have stopped fooling around with changing our >calendar! If we go to a Startrek calendar, I think I'll just have to >scream!! :)) >____________ Nicolas Blackhurst, in Chester (The Roman Fortress of Deva), England nicolas.blackhurst@virgin.net Web Site: http://freespace.virgin.net/nicolas.blackhurst/homepage.htm

IGI NORTH AMERICA: In answer to a question: Many cities have a local LDS Church; the church will probably have an area set aside for GENEAOLOGY. These small town churches have limited hours and resources, but they will no doubt have one or two computers which use CD's. Their program will access an Ancestral File (pedigree charts) which can be searched by index. They will have a Social Security index, a Family History Catalog, and an IGI search. If you know what you are looking for, the computer is perhaps best for the IGI. However, they will have a large stock of IGI microfiche. So you would have them help you find the Ohio microfiche for Dutton, perhaps another surname if you have it. If my memory is right, there were 13 print out pages from the Ohio microfiche on Dutton. This fiche gives a listing under ENOS DUTTON born 25 Dec 1844 in Athens County, Ohio. It gives some other dates which I do not understand, but probably means the IGI data was posted 28 Mar 1984; it gives a film 8320306 serial sheet 55. This film probably won't be in stock at your local LDS, but you can order it for perhaps $3.25. They should have film and fiche readers on hand. The film may lead to a submitter who will share data. It may point you to a vital record such as a county record of births or marriages. And it may be disappointing. Or, you can can search the Family History Catalog for Athens County, Ohio records available from the LDS. While you are at it, search the Ancestral File, and if you find your family tree, then get the submitters name and address. The submitter might still be at that address. The Family History Centers are staffed by volunteers and supported by LDS church member contributions. They share their data and are as helpful as they can be. They have never solicited me, although I usually have to sign in at the local libraries. Apparently, users of these centers are strictly off limits for solicitation. I have donated books or materials to them; they send a card of thanks. Also, like WFT, I submit my family tree data with frequent updates. I find many people working on my tree through these submissions. These small FHC (LDS) have a limited stock of census films kept permanently. They may also have an extensive stock of books and references on microfiche. Sometimes, they have donated books on the shelf which are rare finds. While their limited stock is frustrating, they order films out of Salt Lake at reasonable costs. Traveling to Salt Lake City could cost you hundreds if not thousands of dollars. I have seen people charge into the SLC library and try to do a month's work in two hours. Meanwhile, I was traveling in my fifth wheel (lived full time in it), and could camp their for a month or two in the summer. It did not cost me much more to be there than somewhere else. But, I made a mistake and sold the Fifth Wheel. Usually, a local library has a book with a list of libraries. If you cannot find yours, put a query on Dutton-L webb; one of us will probably be in one of those libraries during the week and can get the address.

1850 NEW YORK census, ONEIDA, Town of Saugerfield, page 29, dwg 17. Ambrose Dutton age 54, Wagonmaker, born Connecticut with Alvina age 45 born NY. This ambrose seems to be too young to be father of James Dutton age 50 on the same census. 1850 NEW YORK census, ONEIDA, part county and part city of Utica page 389 dwg 389 and 390, dwg 105. City of Utica 18 July 1850. Mary Dutton age 64 born New York is with James P. Bipell, physician age 47, who was born in Vermont, Mary A. Vipel age 43, Mary E. Vipel age 13, and Frank Vipel age 9, all born New York exept for the physician. Eliza S. Dutton is a female age 37, born New York, in the same dwelling. Searching this area because of a Melvin O. Dutton married in Minnesota about 1871 who said he was from Trempeleau County, Wisconsin. The Reverend John Dutton and Delia Briggs Huntley of Trempeleau County have roots to Oneida and Otsego County, New York.

Hi Nick, Thanks for your response. I thought of that, too, so I thought that the year should change in March--not July. It just makes no sense to me. Also, I thought that maybe the date would change on the monarach's accession date, but it didn't change then either. It changes arbitrarily, it seems to me, in July!!! So, what it seems to boil down to is that, if you do not have a day/month and only the Regnal year and your date is before 1752, then you should use a december month in order to get the correct date! Does that make sense? Carole ps: I hope people have stopped fooling around with changing our calendar! If we go to a Startrek calendar, I think I'll just have to scream!! :)) ____________ Nicolas Blackhurst wrote: > > Hello Carole, > > Until 1752 the Julian Calandar was used, the year ran from 28 March to the 27 Mar of what we would think of as the following year. In this country (England) the Financial Year still starts on 28 March. So in your first example (Jan to June 1) you are quoting dates from two years. In your second example (Jul to Dec 1) you are quoting dates in the same year. This may be the reason for the error in the first example. Leycester would have been using the Julian Calandar. > > Regards, > > Nick > > When you do > >not know a day and month and you use Jan to June 1 (I've been checking > >against Leycester) your year will be 1 too high (1390). If you use Jul > >to Dec 1, your dates will match Leycester's dates 1389). Why this is > >so, I do not know! > > > > > >Carole > > > Nicolas Blackhurst, in Chester (The Roman Fortress of Deva), > England > nicolas.blackhurst@virgin.net > Web Site: http://freespace.virgin.net/nicolas.blackhurst/homepage.htm

Hello Carole, Until 1752 the Julian Calandar was used, the year ran from 28 March to the 27 Mar of what we would think of as the following year. In this country (England) the Financial Year still starts on 28 March. So in your first example (Jan to June 1) you are quoting dates from two years. In your second example (Jul to Dec 1) you are quoting dates in the same year. This may be the reason for the error in the first example. Leycester would have been using the Julian Calandar. Regards, Nick When you do >not know a day and month and you use Jan to June 1 (I've been checking >against Leycester) your year will be 1 to high (1390). If you use Jul >to Dec 1, your dates will match Leycester's dates 1389). Why this is >so, I do not know! > > >Carole > Nicolas Blackhurst, in Chester (The Roman Fortress of Deva), England nicolas.blackhurst@virgin.net Web Site: http://freespace.virgin.net/nicolas.blackhurst/homepage.htm

OK! I give up! I cannot find it anywhere! Does anybody know who the Duttons fought with at the battle of Blore Heath? On whose side were they--Lancaster? or York? The Sherborne Dutton's were Puritans, I see during the Civil War, as John Dutton of Sherborne sat in the Long Parliament. Carole

Sue Dutton Rodgers wrote: > > Carole:  Am I right in remembering that you have a website???  If so, > could you post your URL to this list???  Thanks.  Sue _____________ The URL is: http://genealogy.dutton.net/default.htm Carole

Carole:� Am I right in remembering that you have a website???� If so, could you post your URL to this list???� Thanks.� Sue

Hello Doug (and anyone else interested in our English history), Here is a useful web site that converts Regnal dates into our calendar. ex: 13 Ric. 2. The dates are computed from the time that the King acceded to the throne. The first number represents how many years since he acceded. Type it into the little box on the far right. When you do not know a day and month and you use Jan to June 1 (I've been checking against Leycester) your year will be 1 to high (1390). If you use Jul to Dec 1, your dates will match Leycester's dates 1389). Why this is so, I do not know! http://www.albion.edu/fac/engl/calendar/regnal.htm --------------- This calendar will help you find saint days during medieval times. For example, In Cope, Leycester reports (p18) a date 3 Rich. 2, 1379, that was signed on the Sunday next after the Feast of St. Martin..." With these two programs, the date turns out to be 13 Nov 1379, 3 Ric. 2. :-)) http://www.execulink.com/~edwall/calendar/mcc_main.htm Carole

While looking through some Maryland data for a Julia Ann Latham I happened on a couple items. MARYLAND POST OFFICES 1816 ________________________________________________________________________________ ____ Post Office. Postmaster. Place of birth. Compensation. Havre-de-Grace, - John Dutton, Delaware, 225.58 located at: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/md/mdpo1816.txt Then on a ship roster: "with permission of the author, Marion Kaminkow, of "Original Lists of Emigrants in Bondage from London to the American Colonies, 1719-1744" and the publisher." Passenger List for Patapsco(e) Merchant 18 April 1734, London England-Baltimore Town Reference #49 Newgate Goal. T53 State Paper (SP) #37, page 304 {among others was} Dutton, Joseph located at: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/md/ships/patapsco.txt If anyony knows of Julia (born about 1815), please let me know. Ron

Hi Ed & Listers, William Henry is a known member of our clan and where he fits on the tree. Below you will find his Family Group Report. I see there is a bit of a problem with his kid(s). Dick Dutton ============================================================ aredutton@juno.com wrote: > Thanks to Dick Dutton and others for their response on Oneida County. > Since James Dutton, Merchant was a bingo, I should share some others. > > 1850 CENSUS, NEW YORK, ONEIDA COUNTY, CITY OF UTICA, page 462, dwelling > 1126: > Wm H Dutton age 30, Music Store, real estate 4000, born New York; wife > Mary age 23, William 2, Charles 8/12 (eight months)--all born New York. > > IGI has one William Henry Dutton christened 15 Jan 1823, Oneida, Utica, > First Presbyterian Church. > > IGI has William Henry Dutton married to Mary H. Daliba, Oneida, Utica, 30 > Dec 1846. > > 10,000 VITAL RECORDS OF CENTRAL NEW YORK 1813-1850 (newspaper clips) > @1986 Geneaological Publishing Co., Inc. has: > Dutton, William H. married 12/30/1846 to Mary H. Daliba, dau of Major > James of the U.S. Army, both of Utica. > > I AM SEARCHING FOR ONE Melvin O. Dutton born before 1850 and died > somewhere. > He was married as M. O. Dutton 1868 Monona County, Iowa. ============================================================ Name: William Henry DUTTON, 7482, M ————————————————————————————————————————————— Birth: 25 Dec 1820 Utica, Oneida, NY Death: 21 Jul 1904 Long Branch, NJ Christen: 15 Jan 1823 First Presbyterian Church, Utica, Oneida, NY Father: George DUTTON, 7478, M (1789-1854) Mother: Sarah Dwight DAY, 7479, F (1796-1877) Misc. Notes William spent most of his life in Utica. In 1865 he engaged in business in Philadelipha. He was a piano manufacturer. Research Birth: Mormons book New England...... Death: Mormons book New England...... Marriage: 30 Dec 1846 ————————————————————————————————————————————— Spouse: Mary Huntington DALIBA, 7483, F ————————————————————————————————————————————— Birth: 20 Jun 1826 Rome, NY Death: 30 Jan 1877 Father: Maj. James DALIBA, 215908, M Research Birth: Mormons book New England...... Death: Mormons book New England...... Children ————————————————————————————————————————————— 1 M: William Dalliba DUTTON, 7484, M Birth: 1 Dec 1847 Utica, Oneida Co, NY Misc. Notes William recieved his early educational training in the public schools and in the Academy of Utica. When he was seventeen his father removed to Philadelphia where the family home was maintained for a number of years. While in that city he was a member of many prominent clubs, including the Penn Club, the Art Club , the Union League Club, the Historical Society and took an active interest in municipal reform. Research Birth: Mormons book New England...... Spouse: Evelyn Dunbar BRADLEY, 7485, F Marriage: 30 Jan 1873 Spouse: Augusta Temple Merritt SCHACK, 7486, F ————————————————————————————————————————————— 2 M: Edward Tracy DUTTON, 7491, M Birth: 6 Jan 1850 Utica, Oneida Co, NY Death: 31 Aug 1857 Utica, NY Research Birth: Mormons book New England...... Death: Mormons book New England...... ————————————————————————————————————————————— Please send any corrections or additions to: Richard A. Dutton - 325 Beal Parkway, Fort Walton Beach, FL 32548-3956 Phone: 850-862-3327 FAX: 850-864-1444 E-mail: rad@emcst.com

Hello to all you New Englanders, I found this site a couple of days ago. I don't know if others have found it or not or even if it would be of value, but it looks interesting and maybe would have something of value / interest for the Mass, Maine, etc. Duttons. Don't know, but I thought I'd pass it on just in case. You know your area; you be the judge. It has something to do with NEGS. This is part of a New England History and Genealogy Free Books Online Effort http://genweb.net/~blackwell/books.html Carole

There are 125 Duttons in Ohio who have unclaimed money. The amounts range from just over $1 to over $1000. Maybe someone on this list has money owed to them in Ohio. The link is below. http://www.com.state.oh.us/unfd/scripts/thqry.htm Carole Sorry, for being off-topic!

Thanks to Dick Dutton and others for their response on Oneida County. Since James Dutton, Merchant was a bingo, I should share some others. 1850 CENSUS, NEW YORK, ONEIDA COUNTY, CITY OF UTICA, page 462, dwelling 1126: Wm H Dutton age 30, Music Store, real estate 4000, born New York; wife Mary age 23, William 2, Charles 8/12 (eight months)--all born New York. IGI has one William Henry Dutton christened 15 Jan 1823, Oneida, Utica, First Presbyterian Church. IGI has William Henry Dutton married to Mary H. Daliba, Oneida, Utica, 30 Dec 1846. 10,000 VITAL RECORDS OF CENTRAL NEW YORK 1813-1850 (newspaper clips) @1986 Geneaological Publishing Co., Inc. has: Dutton, William H. married 12/30/1846 to Mary H. Daliba, dau of Major James of the U.S. Army, both of Utica. I AM SEARCHING FOR ONE Melvin O. Dutton born before 1850 and died somewhere. He was married as M. O. Dutton 1868 Monona County, Iowa.

Obituary Daily Times I did a search on Dutton and received 351 hits (including towns named Dutton). http://obits.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi Carole

Hi Ed & Listers, At least this James and his family are knowns including their position in the main DUTTON tree. See his Family Group Report below. Dick Dutton ========================================================== aredutton@juno.com wrote: > 1850 CENSUS New York, Oneida, 3rd Ward City of Utica film 444279, 29 July > 1850, page 316b, dwg 87: > James Dutton age 50, merchant w/ real estate 8000, born Connecticut. > Sophie age 10, Charles King 8, Anna V 7, Elizabeth 2, all children born > NY. > > IGI has one Charles Dutton m. Allice Beale Dec 1866, Oneida > IGI has one James W Dutton/James Dutton chr 6 May 1838, Oneida, Utica, > First Presbyterian Church. > > IGI will give leads, sometimes vital records, and sometimes connect > to family searchers. > > I AM LOOKING FOR MELVIN DUTTONS FOR MY COLLECTION. ====================================================== Name: James DUTTON, 7520, M ———————————————————— Birth: 8 Oct 1799 Lebanon, Ct Father: Ambrose DUTTON, 7506, M (1760-1841) Mother: Prudence OTIS, 7507, F (1762-1850) Other spouses: Anna, 7522, F Misc. Notes 1850 CENSUS New York, Oneida, 3rd Ward City of Utica film 444279, 29 July 1850, page 316b, dwg 87: James Dutton age 50, merchant w/ real estate 8000, born Connecticut. Sophie age 10, Charles King 8, Anna V 7, Elizabeth 2, all children born NY. Research Birth: New England Historical Society,Boston Marriage: 20 Dec 1836 ——————————————————— Spouse: Elizabeth KING, 7521, F ————————————————— Birth: Dec 1811 Death: 18 Jun 1848 Research Birth: New England Historical Society,Boston Death: New England Historical Society,Boston Children —————————————————— 1 M: James Walter DUTTON, 7523, M Birth: 1 Oct 1837 Death: 11 Feb 1842 Christen: 6 May 1838 First Presbyterian Church, Utica, Oneida, NY Misc. Notes IGI has one James W Dutton/James Dutton chr 6 May 1838, Oneida, Utica, First Presbyterian Church. Research Birth: New England Historical Society,Boston Death: New England Historical Society,Boston ——————————————————————— 2 F: Sophia Helena DUTTON, 7524, F Birth: 5 Aug 1840 NY Research Birth: New England Historical Society,Boston Spouse: Philip Harwood VERNON, 7525, M Marriage: 26 Jun 1867 ———————————————————————— 3 M: Charles King DUTTON Maj., 7526, M Birth: 27 Apr 1842 NY Death: 2 May 1897 New York City Misc. Notes Charles was in the army in 1862; settled in N Carolina then Florida where he built up a large business. Research Birth: New England Historical Society,Boston Death: New England Historical Society,Boston IGI has one Charles Dutton m. Allice Beale Dec 1866, Oneida Spouse: Alice BEALE, 7527, F Marriage: 3 Nov 1866 ————————————————————— 4 F: Anna Veron DUTTON, 7533, F Birth: 24 Jul 1843 Research Birth: New England Historical Society,Boston —————————————————————— 5 F: Elizabeth King DUTTON, 7534, F Birth: 5 Jun 1848 Research Birth: New England Historical Society,Boston Spouse: Joseph WAKEMAN, 7535, M Marriage: Dec 1869 ————————————————————— Please send any corrections or additions to: Richard A. Dutton - 325 Beal Parkway, Fort Walton Beach, FL 32548-3956 Phone: 850-862-3327 FAX: 850-864-1444 E-mail: rad@emcst.com

1850 CENSUS New York, Oneida, 3rd Ward City of Utica film 444279, 29 July 1850, page 316b, dwg 87: James Dutton age 50, merchant w/ real estate 8000, born Connecticut. Sophie age 10, Charles King 8, Anna V 7, Elizabeth 2, all children born NY. IGI has one Charles Dutton m. Allice Beale Dec 1866, Oneida IGI has one James W Dutton/James Dutton chr 6 May 1838, Oneida, Utica, First Presbyterian Church. IGI will give leads, sometimes vital records, and sometimes connect to family searchers. I AM LOOKING FOR MELVIN DUTTONS FOR MY COLLECTION.

There are 18 head of family Duttons in Deleware County, 1850 Pennsylvania census. ASTEN TOWNSHIP: Aaron Dutton age 35, is in Asten Twp, p. 038, Dwg 1, farmer; he and his family all born Pennsylvania; Ann age 32, Clara age 1 (fem). Dwg 4 has Thomas V. Dutton age 24 farmer worth $4000; he and his family all born Pennsylvania; Elizabeth B. age 21, Albert age 8. Dwg 62; Thomas Dutton age 81, farmer valued 3500 born Pennsylvania; Mary age 68, Sarah Carpenter age 32, Edmund Dutton age 4, all born Pennsylvania. CONCORD TOWNSHIP: Dwg 151, page 134 Thomas B. Dutton age 6 born Pennsylvania and in school; he is listed with a Bullock family--all born Pennsylvania.

Dear John, I received a copy of your "Maiden Speech" on 13 th April with great interest. I have so far only been able to trace my ancestors back as far as a Matthew Dutton who was the father of William Dutton, born 1724; married Ann Millward on 5 September, 1747 at St. Andrew Undershaft, London; had the following children: Nancy (6 June 1748), Sarah (31 May 1750), William (19 July 1751), John (2 November 1753), Elizabeth (13 July 1755), Hepzibah (13 June 1758), Dorothy (18 February 1760), Thomas (2 March 1760), and William (21 June 1764); he was also PARTNER OF THOMAS MUDGE 76 FLEET ST., LONDON - WATCHMAKERS TO KING GEORGE III. Are we talking about the same the same man? And if so can you give me any information on his forebears? Regards, Warren Dutton Kiunga Guest House Kiunga. W.P. Papua New Guinea