Hi to all you cousins, I have access to the PERSI records and can easily run searches and copy & paste the results in a message such as this. Below is an example of the results of page 1 of 7 pages, which contains the first 10 of 68 hits of a search for DUTTON. The act of copying and pasting slants the chart, which originally went straight across like a normal chart, but the data follows this somewhat skewed format. The first slanted grouping below makes up the headings. The only confusing part is when there is a blank (unfilled) box in the original chart such as the "Topic" in the first data group. Then there is a skipped line. When the data in a particular block (usually either the "Article" or the "Periodical") takes more than one line within the original chart block, then the beginning of the second line is tabbed out even with the beginning of the first line of that block. Example: Month/Season of the headings. REMEMBER: This is just an index telling where to look for the whole article. ALL of these articles can be found in the Allen County Public Library which I believe is in Ft Wayne, Indiana and they will make and mail photo copies for a very reasonable fee. If any of you would like me to run searches or post the other six pages on the List feel free to ask. I'll accommodate as time permits. FWIMBW I have in my records the DUTTON/COLBURN family and descendants that comprise the 10th (last) line of data below. Dick Dutton Researching my family tree! Trunk: DUTTON Major branches: ALLEN, BARTLETT, CUTLER, DOGGETT, DUNTEN, DUNTON, JENSON, LAKE, METCALF, PALMER, PARTRIDGE,REYNOLDS, RICHARDS, SAWYER, SMITH, TRACY,TURNER, WEDGWOOD. Minor branches: ADAMS, ALDEN, BALL, BLACK, BLANCHARD, BREWSTER, BRIMHALL, CARY, COLBURN, HATCH, HOPKINS, HYDE, KIDDER, PERKINS, WARNER, WILLIAMS. Smaller Limbs: ALGER, ANDERSON, CLARK, DAVIS, FRENCH, FULLER, HALL, HARRIS, JOHNSON, KNAPP, McMILLAN, MERRICK, MILLER, MOORE, NELSON PARKER, TUTTLE - And many more. ====================================================== PERiodical Source Index Location Subject Record Type Topic Article Periodical Volume Issue Month/ Season Year Alabama Jackson Directories   Dutton Business Owners, 1901 Jackson County Chronicles 1 2 April 1975 Illinois Hardin Cemeteries   Old Dutton Cemetery Saga of Southern Illinois 6 2 Summer 1979 Kansas Mitchell Cemeteries   Indian Cemetery on Emmott Dutton Farm Waconda Roots and Branches 8 3 Fall 1985 Montana Teton Cemeteries   Dutton Cemetery Burials Treasure State Lines 8 4 November 1983 Pennsylvania Dauphin Vital Records   Deaths, Marriages, Etc., from Hannah Dutton Book Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine 4 1 March 1909 Vermont Windsor History   Salmon Dutton House, Cavendish Vermont History 18 4 October 1950 Surname     Almond Edward Almond-Jennie Dutton Fam., 1784+, North Carolina Stanly County Nc Genealogical Society Journal 16 3 Summer 1997 Surname     Anderson Anderson-Dutton-Corley Bible 1917-1948 Tree Tracers 9 4 Summer 1985 Surname     Biggs Daniel Dutton Biggs Bible, Warren Co., Indiana Warren County Reflections 7 2 May 1982 Surname     Colburn John Dutton-Elizra Colburn Fam., 1814+, Maine Forebears in Your Maine Family Tree 3 2 Summer 1997 Viewing records 1-10 of 68

In my search for M. O. and Melvin Duttons 1850 CENSUS ILLINOIS, LDS Film 7,674: Adams County, page 307(b), Dwg 148, Town of Ursula, 11 Oct 1850. Thomas Dutton age 37, Con. Preacher valued 800 Sarah M age 33, Anna O. age 8, Aaron V. age 7, and Thomas age 3. All born Tennessee except Thomas born in Illinois. This puts family in Illinois at least by 1847. Adams County is below Hancock at the interesection of Iowa, Missoui, and Illinois. CNL further data on 1860 census or IGI lists, etc. Apparently moved on. I have considerable data for a Melvin L. Dutton of Illinois roots, some from this webb site.

Hi Sherri, I am posting this to the list as your old address had fatal errors and I hope to re-establish contact with you. I hope that you are still on the LIST. I have transcribed the will of Robert Dutton, son of David Dutton and Hannah Rogers, and would like to email it to you, if you wish. carole

Hi, list. I'm seeking information on the DUTTONs of Coventry, England. I have: Frederick>Obediah>Edward(?). Can anyone help me? - Barbara Dutton Gaylord

Hello to all, Here is an interesting link to a post at Quaker-Roots-L from Stewart Baldwin who has (as I far as I can gather from reading his posts) extensive knowledge in genealogical research in Cheshire, England, and probably elsewhere, as well. http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/Q/QUAKER-ROOTS+1999+17853026156+F carole

I will try to clean up Deleware County today. Except for an Albert which I cannot find in my notes--not the one already reported. Are there any BLACK Duttons on this DUTTON-L? There are a number in Pennsylvania, mostly coming out of the State of Deleware. They are hard to identify because GEN programs do not have a data field for race or color, etc. But, I have tried to link them by notes. 1850 PENNSYLVANIA, DELEWARE COUNTY, tOWNSHIP OF cHESTER, dwg 44, page 80: Jonathan Dutton age 39, Miller worth 14000, he and family all born Pennsylvania. Jane F. age 23, Ann 10, John 9, Qeo 7, Ann 4, Elizabeth age 44. Race White, or color white.

Hi list, I have a RICHARD ALBERT DUTTON, who was my ggrandfather. I know only what I could find on a census. Can any one connect me to their DUTTON family? 1910 McCurtain Co.,OK census lists: Albert DUTTON age 37 born in TN, Parents both born in KY. Rachel age 57 " " OH " OH and VA (step-mother to dau. listed) Octavia (Known to us as Octa Merle) age 7 born in MO Parents both born in TN Octa's mother was Minnie Bryant. HELP PLEASE!!! Charlotte in OK

My DUTTON line: James DUTTON b: 1743 in Chester Co, PA m: Sep 23, 1775 in Christ's Church, Philadelphia, PA d: Mar 1, 1839 in Aurelius/Fearing Twp, Washington Co, OH spouse: Lydia KIMLER/KILMER d: July 19, 1800 in Loudon Co, VA their son: Joseph DUTTON b: 1776 in Birmingham Twp, Chester, PA m: 1795 in Loudon Co, VA d: Sep 1, 1841 in Macksburg, Washington Co, OH spouse: Anna May/ Amy JOB / CHILDRETH b: Oct 1769 d: Mar 27, 1860 in Macksburg, Washington Co, OH their daughter: Mary "Polly" DUTTON b: Feb 5, 1798 in Lowell, Washington Co, OH m: Feb 15, 1819 in Washington Co, OH d: May 29, 1890 in Washington Co OH spouse: Daniel "Squire" DAVIS b: Feb 25, 1797 in OH then the NWT d: Mar 7, 1874 in Washington Co, OH their son: George Buell DAVIS married Elizabeth RHINEHARDT in 1870. Sound familiar? Karen Davis Sowards

LDS FILM 444744 Census 1850 PENNSYLVANIA page 31, Deleware County Family 92:Jonathan Dutton age 66 farmer val 3900 b. PA; Hannah N. age 28, Thelma? age 26 female, David N. age 21, Wm. N. age 18--all born Pennsylvania. Fam 95: Thomas Dutton age 60 farmer val 1,000 b. PA; Susan 60, Jesse 35, Sidney 26 (female), Susan a. 24, Hannah B. age 10--all born Pennsylvania. LDS FILM 444777 Census 1850 PENNSYLVANIA, Deleware County page 70, Borough of Chester, Dwg 185 fam 185 Jesse Dutton age 27, Blacksmith b. Deleware Sarah age 27, Marion 1 (female), Samuel 3/12, and Hannah Miller age 35, all born Pennsylvania exc. Jesse. page 70, Borough of Chester, Dwg 187, family 187 Wm Dutton age 74 shoemaker b. Deleware Hannah age 20, Wm. age 4, Henry age 1 All born Pennsylvania except Wm. age 74 b. Deleware page 73, Borough of Chester, Dwg 233, family 235 Robert R. Dutton age 39 merchant val 4500 b. PA Ann age 35, Emily f. age 15, Caroline 13, Julius A. 11, Arabella 9, Albert 6--all born Pennsylvania. page 80, Township of Chester, Dwg 44 family 44 Jonathan Dutton age 39 Miller val 14000 b. PA Jane F age 13, Ann 10, John 9, Q?eo 7, Ann 4, and Elizabeth Dutton age 44--all born Pennsylvania, I have not looked at the map lately, but another family I was searching was born and married back and forth across the Deleware border. If you find a Melvin Dutton, please send me data.

Hi Walter and all, You raise some very interesting questions and ideas! Walter Lundstein wrote: (snip) > Let's assume an analysis indicates that a Pennsylvania Dutton is related > to an ancient English Dutton. Such proof provides only a genetic link. > A link, it must be considered, that may exist in every Dutton in the > world. Gee, I hope DNA would establish proof that all the Duttons are related genetically! If we exhumed, say a 15 c Dutton (or better, an earlier Dutton) and established his genetic identity, then any Dutton (male, that is) could have their Y-chromosome checked against it to establish genetic relationship. >>>>> Bryan L. Ford (hereafter BLF) wrote: Of particular interest with respect to the new technologies, even as they exist today, would be any such genealogy (known or suspected) in which the earliest point in such an agnate descent that two brothers give rise to agnate lineages, each with living male representatives. All that is needed are the cheek swabs for DNA from living males in each branch of such a commonly rooted agnate descent. Costs? probably no more than $500 to $1000 to run the tests on one individual and $200 to $400 for any number of willing others suspected of being in the same putative agnate [father to son] descent. >>>>> Without exhuming our ancesters, a male PA DUTTON and a male MA DUTTON and a male VA Dutton (for example) could do a swab test and find out if they are related or not. The really scary part would be if they were not related. You would not know where the break occurred. This is interesting because the hypothesis could be tested that the DUTTON males would all carry the same genetic sequences (Y-genotypes) and are related to Eng Duttons as the PA branch of the family has already established a genealogical link with the Eng Duttons, but the MA Duttons are still looking for that paper trail. The VA Duttons are still looking, as well. (snip) >With such "proof," no one would yet have any > further information as to how these contributions came about. Who were > these mysterious links? This is the fun part of genealogy--establishing that paper trail. Finding out as much as one is able about their ancestors. > Does the "proof" validate suspected links? No, > because the genetic link may have come from a different contributor who > married into his or her family. The marriage of cousins was not > uncommon. Even a distant cousin, not even known to be a cousin, could > contribute the genes discovered. I really do not understand your argument. I feel like I must have missed something here. Only females can marry into the Dutton family (and produce children), and they do not have Y chromosomes. If a Dutton female married outside the family, the children would not be called Dutton and she could not give them a Y chromosome--the father would give the male children a Y chromosome. The Y chromosome is handed down from father to son. I'm sure that you know this, thus, I must have missed something in your argument!! > Ultimately, the DNA sequences of the various U.S. and English Dutton > tribes are irrelevant without ties or links made from history of > substance to bind the tomes together. Gee, Walter, I don't think the genetic link would be irrelevant because you would have scientific proof of your descent even if you never, ever could find the papers that linked you historically to your ancesters. Even women would benefit from this because of genetic links that could be established by their living brothers, father, or uncles. > Its most likely that the refined > DNA sequencing necessary to distinguish one genetically linked Dutton > tribe from another and yet from another would take years and cost tens > of thousands. The less analytic tests would serve no purpose. The latter > are virtually as unhelpful as blood types when this question of > intrafamily links is asked. Yes, the less analytic tests would be useless. I don't know how long it would take, but I would think that several weeks for each male who sent in a swab would be a reasonable guess. My son had a paternity test conducted which cost $200 and took 6 to 8 weeks to get the results. We Ohio Duttons know our connections with the PA Duttons from whom we descend and then back to the English. Lawson has the Ohio and PA Duttons connected to the English gentry. I am redocumenting his data and have four generations to go.These lineages can be "...substantially supported by using genetics technologies." BLF (snip) Anyway, I am excited about the new technology!! Bryan L. Ford, Oregon State University, is a person who works with these tests and, thus, I trust his information. It is just plain exciting!! It might be a good idea, though, to wait until 2003 when all the mapping has been completed. That is only a few more years! carole

I am forwarding a post from Bryan L. Ford that he sent to Gen-Med today. Anybody want to chip in a get a DNA study of our genes? carole _________________ Bryan L. Ford wrote: >D. Spencer Hines wrote: > > Please do go on into the technical details as they may affect Medieval > and/or Royal Genealogy. > I am certain that the methods as they exist today can be used to answer or at least begin to answer suitably framed genealogical questions. Below I present ideas that D. Spencer Hines may or may not already be familiar with. My intent, with his permission, is to bring the possibility of using molecular genetic technologies in solving certain genealogical questions once again to the attention of other readers of this newsgroup, while at least partially answering the questions D. Spencer Hines presents. I thank him now for this opportunity, and I thank him for the broad questions, and apologize for my lack of time to fully answer them. A bit about one set of tools that are today used commercially, medically and forensically to establish paternity by examining markers on the Y-chromosome (the chromosome whose presence gives a male phenotype). A substantial number of Y-chromosome markers that can be inexpensively and rapidly examined using PCR-based methods are available and in use today. For less than a thousand dollars one can survey an array of markers on the Y-chromosome of any living male, and for perhaps one third to one half that a second and subsequent males can be checked for Y-chromosome identity to that first sample. This method makes use (at last count I have) of some 10 different "short tandem repeats" or STRs that contain between 2 and 13 polymorphisms each. This means that !0 sites within the Y have useful STRs and that these STRs can be readily examined for their length using the Polymerase Chain Reaction or PCR-- the number of length differences seen using PCR on the STRs range from 2 to 13, and total number of possible combinations of over 13 million. Presently the number of STRs characterized and readily PCRed under commercial or forensic lab conditions easily allow one to reject a false claim of paternity at least 99.9% of the time. This can and will be improved in the future. Very high certainty for very important cases (that is were money is not so much the issue) will increasingly be available especially as the Human Genome Diversity Project is completed a few years after the Human Genome Project is completed around 2003. As to applicability to medieval and royal genealogy, let me give outline of one easily perceived general application, for which I will leave it to the readers of this newsgroup to define the specific suitable genealogies. Y-chromosomes follow agnate descents, that is the father passes on to his Y to his sons only, they in turn pass on that same Y genotype to their sons etc. I am sure that there exist well supported claims of agnate descents from medieval times. Of particular interest with respect to the new technologies, even as they exist today, would be any such genealogy (known or suspected) in which the earliest point in such an agnate descent that two brothers give rise to agnate lineages, each with living male representatives. All that is needed are the cheek swabs for DNA from living males in each branch of such a commonly rooted agnate descent. Costs? probably no more than $500 to $1000 to run the tests on one individual and $200 to $400 for any number of willing others suspected of being in the same putative agnate descent. For royal genealogies these methods will be very useful for testing strong genealogical hypotheses that can be framed in terms of agnate lineages... in some cases surely from the early medieval era. All that is needed is for competent genealogists to define one or more solid agnate lineage and then identify hypothetical or suspected parallel agnate descents from the same founder. Similarly, analyses such as these may also be especially productive for genealogy questions involving individuals from lesser social strata for whom records are either less abundant or even nearly non-existent. Numerous genealogical problems seem to crucially involve surname identity, surname similarity or surname transliteration-- with resolution in some cases, for example when surname transliteration accompanies distant migration, being extremely difficult. Questions of ancestry from the era of surnames, which I suppose may be from late medieval for many of the more fortunate families in Europe, and somewhat later for the less fortunate, depending on country and many other factors, can and will be approached using these new methods. But such analysis will not necessarily be confined to sample of DNA from living donors, there is good evidence that the examination of Y-chromosomes from ancient tissues, provided they happen to have been preserved under appropriate conditions (such as in bones under dry conditions) is entirely possible. For ancient royalty and other noteworthy individuals this will no doubt be pursued, since royal corpses are often believed to rest in well marked, and hopefully well-preserved tombs-- and many may actually do so, at least in the absence of mischief or misdeed. I would expect that using such sarcophagi, modern royal agnate Y-genotypes could certainly be compared with their ancestral antecedents. I cite two abstracts here for the curious, I have read the first article, but as yet not the second: Human Genetics 1999 Feb;104(2):164-6 Amplification of Y-chromosomal STRs from ancient skeletal material. Schultes T, Hummel S, Herrmann B Historische Anthropologie und Humanokologie, Institut fur Zoologie und Anthropologie, Universitat Gottingen, Germany. Abstract: "The adaptation to ancient DNA analysis of a Y-chromosomal STR (short tandem repeat) multiplex comprising the four STR systems DYS19, DYS390, and DYS389I/II shows the suitability of Y-chromosomal STR typing on ancient human remains. A new primer site for the system, DYS389I/II, resulting in products shortened by 94 bp, was chosen to serve the special needs of amplification of ancient DNA. For the first time, it was possible to amplify STR loci of the Y chromosome from historical and prehistorical bones of up to 3000 years old." And the second one I recently discovered but as yet have only ordered through interlibrary loan: Bulletins et Memoires de la Societe D'Anthropologie de Paris 1996 8(3-4):465-479 Sex Determination by polymerase chain reaction using ancient and medieval human bone remains. [in French] Abstract: "The analysis of ancient DNA, amplified by Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) offers a molecular method of sex determination which completes morphological procedure. We used this molecular method on 15 Roman and medieval samples. The amplification of a 102 base pair fragment of the Y-chromosome was realised with "Lo" primers. We then examined the sequences of the amelogenin gene which is present on both the X- and Y-chromosomes. We are necessarily prudent; but the concordance of anthropometric and biological data obtained is encouraging." Note: Even though the latter abstract indicates only an attempt to identify the sex of the subjects in question, these researchers are apparently able to amplify a 102 bp fragment successfully. This then implies that they should be able to amplify many, if not all of the STRs now available, and thus we would expect that they could go on to establish a unique Y-genotype for each individual whose tissue is able to be PCRed. Add to this the fact that PCR reagents, equipment and methodologies as well as DNA extraction techniques have improved since this work was done. > Please tell us more about AFLP, in particular. I should not say much about this, since I am not a practitioner of it. Suffice it to say the method supplants RFLPs, it requires nanogram quantities of DNA compared to the micrograms required with RFLP. AFLP, or at least the form I have some familiarity with, does not use radioactive labeling, which is a tremendous advantage from the standpoint of regulatory bureaucracy and technician peace-of-mind. It instead relies on the sensitivity and amplification of PCR technology, and on the use of fluorescent labels. The fluorescent products are typically examined using an $85,000 laser excited scanning fluorescent densitometer. But let me caution that it would not be wise to focus on AFLP, but rather to be aware that tremendously sensitive detection methods are continually being evolved with ever more diverse possible applications. The state-of-the-art in 1988 might have been RFLPs. That state now is definitely not RFLPs but the successor state is difficult to define since now a much larger range of methods is available to identify genotypes. AFLPs, a direct descendant of RFLPs, if you will, work well in certain cases but other techniques, many that do not have familiar acronyms, are available for other specific tasks. The future holds incremental improvements in methods and technology, punctuated by occasional quantum improvements in the technology (much as PCR itself was). AFLP is not revolutionary, but one of many PCR-based incremental advances in methodology and technology. Numerous other more basic methodological advances are more central to the progress being made. Such as the improved isolation of usable DNA from degraded samples, or improvements in detection sensitivity, or the accumulation of genotype databases (e.g. NCBI's Genbank), or improvements in understanding how, and at what rate the polymorphisms (such as the STRs) arise and so on. (Please excuse the lecture--) > Will these techniques allow us to solve some genealogical questions > that may be thought impossible today? Unquestionably. Just imagine a competent genealogist of 50 years ago being told that before the end of the century many highly tenuous genealogical assertions based on surname identity could be conclusively disproved or even substantially supported by using genetics technologies that were not even dreamed of yet. In 1949 only a few lucky individuals knew that DNA was the carrier of genetic information. DNA structure was unknown. PCR was not to be regularly used for another 40 years. The pace of technological innovation has been and will continue increasing at an exponential rate. From my view, it would be hard to imagine that we would not see genealogical analysis revolutionized by the technology available today and even further by the technologies soon to be available. I should add that we may well be amazed, delighted or shocked by the results, not only because many may discover evidence of illegitimacy in the lineages they study, but also surprised in many other ways that are as yet unforeseen. Once these tools are brought to bear on substantial genealogical problems and once they have been shown to give useful results, then genealogists will rightly come to expect much more from such analysis. They will not be disappointed. But, before this can happen, it is very important for at least some competent genealogists to learn what can now be done, and what may soon be done using these technologies. This is the hard part of getting the work underway. Once just a few biotechnology-aware genealogists exist, then they should be in good position to guide the technologists to the most important genealogical cunundrums likely to be illuminated by applying the new molecular genetics tools. > > It's refreshing to hear from someone who appears actually to know what > he's talking about --- a quondam rarity here. I hope my comments above do not dissuade you from this perhaps undeserved judgement. Cheers, Bryan L. Ford > D. Spencer Hines --- "Black care rarely sits behind a rider whose pace > is fast enough." --- Theodore Roosevelt (1888) > > Bryan L. Ford <bryan.ford@orst.edu> wrote in message > news:37675C05.21A6@orst.edu... > > Todd A. Farmerie wrote: > > > > > > William Addams Reitwiesner wrote: > > > > > > > > "Todd A. Farmerie" <taf2@po.cwru.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Yes, they have, but the approach used for those studies > (PCR/sequencing > > > > >of mtDNA) is more tollerant of degeneration of the source DNA, > by a > > > > >factor greater than 10,000, than the RFLP analysis perfomed on > > > > >Y-chromosomes. Except in extremely rare circumstances, the > latter is > > > > >not practical for dead dudes. > > > > > > > > Y-chromosome analysis is what was used to > [prove/suggest/confirm/pick one] > > > > the Thomas Jefferson/Sally Hemmings connection. > > > > > > Yes, but using DNA from living individuals (I was refering to the > source > > > of the DNA, not the individual the study is addressing). It could > not > > > have been done using DNA from Jefferson himself (if it could, they > would > > > not have done Y-chromosome analysis - they would have been able to > test > > > TJ and Eston Hemmings for autosomal markers and determine > unambiguously > > > whether TJ was the father or just a male relative). All of the > other > > > prominant studies which have been discussed in this thread, and > several > > > that have not, have been mitochondrial studies using material > extracted > > > from the remains of deceased individuals. > > > > Nuclear DNA from ancient sources has been examined using PCR, and > > specifically Y-chromosomes have been examined. The results have been > > published. To give one example: > > > > Hummel S, Herrmann B (1991) "Y-chromosome-specific DNA amplified in > > ancient human bone." Naturwissenschaften 78:266-267. > > > > The major present weakness of Y-chromosome analysis may be the > > relatively poor degree of gene mapping and sequence information > > available, especially for the Y-chromosome, long thought to be > largely > > functionless other than in sex determination. This absence of > detailed > > sequence information for the Y will soon change as the human genome > > project proceeds. The mitochondrial genome on the other hand has > long > > been completely sequenced and numerous variant markers are > characterized > > within it. > > > > An expert in this field (one of the researchers who did the > > Neandertal/modern human mitochondrial marker analysis) has told me > that > > he suspects that ancient nuclear DNA may actually be more accessible > to > > recovery and analysis than mitochondrial DNA. There are good reasons > for > > this which I can go into in a bit of detail if anyone here is > > interested. > > > > > I have heard of a few instances where RFLP analysis (like that > done on > > > the Y-chromosome) has been used on the very-recently (and > unembalmed) > > > > Formaldehyde (as formalin solution) amongst available histological > > fixatives, is often preferred when a histological sample may be > > eventually be used as a source of DNA template for PCR. AFLPs, the > > current technology largely supplanting RFLPs, are readily done on > > embalmed tissue samples. > > > > > dead (to identify victims), but not on anyone dead more than 30 > years or > > > so (Vietnam MIAs). > > > > It may not yet have been tried yet. There is no fundamental reason > why > > such samples cannot be successfully analyzed both at the > mitochondrial > > and nuclear genome level. Thirty years of storage or burial is not > > necessarily a challenge provided that the right tissue sample is > used > > (for example bone) and that the storage conditions were not horrific > > (such as incineration). Again, if anyone here cares I would be happy > to > > discuss the technical details, or at least those I'm familiar with. > > > > > By comparison, there is at least one report of > > > mitochondrial DNA analysis (using PCR and sequencing) on a plant > 10 > > > million years old, > > > > This result has been reviewed very carefully and is now considered > to be > > an artifact of PCR contamination. Under certain conditions DNA is > > surprisingly rugged but apparently not that rugged. More likely to > > contain really ancient DNA are from insects etc. entombed in samples > of > > certain types of amber. > > > > > and it has been used on the type specimen of > > > Neandertal Man, which is several hundred thousand years old. > > > > Actually this sample was around 50,000 years old. The 450,000 years > > represents the inferred divergence time between this Neandertal and > > modern humans, that is the approximate date for the last common > female > > ancestor of these two species of human. > > > > The conditions of storage of tissues is the most important factor > > determining whether DNA markers can be read. The samples taken from > a > > 50,000 year old neandertal femur show substantial degradation. The > > sequences has to be pieced together from a series of short, > overlapping > > PCRs. Such difficulties do suggest limits are present, at least for > a > > given sample from a given provenance. > > > > Cheers, > > Bryan L. Ford

Carole, et al.; I'm familiar with RNA/DNA analysis due to the legal issues I've addressed related to it. So some food for thought. I have a few thoughts and suggestions that I thought I should mention due to the significance of the information an RNA/DNA analysis provides. I recall a university professor in England who contributed for a study and he subsequently discovered he was a direct descendant of a man whose corpse was discovered in an ancient burial site just miles from where the professor resided. You may recall the recent DNA analysis of blood/hair follicles from Thomas Jefferson and the ramifications to a few families. Certainly, such an analysis can produce accurate information. Sure, John Dutton was no Thomas Jefferson and the results won't change world history. However, it may create "issues" for some Dutton families in-so-far as confusion over how these contributions occurred. It may create more questions than answers. Let's assume an analysis indicates that a Pennsylvania Dutton is related to an ancient English Dutton. Such proof provides only a genetic link. A link, it must be considered, that may exist in every Dutton in the world. Restricting the study to one branch and not all invalidates its validity. California Duttons may carry the same DNA sequences. Assuming they weren't related, Ohio Duttons may be related to Pa. Duttons and not know how this happened. With such "proof," no one would yet have any further information as to how these contributions came about. Who were these mysterious links? Does the "proof" validate suspected links? No, because the genetic link may have come from a different contributor who married into his or her family. The marriage of cousins was not uncommon. Even a distant cousin, not even known to be a cousin, could contribute the genes discovered. Ultimately, the DNA sequences of the various U.S. and English Dutton tribes are irrelevant without ties or links made from history of substance to bind the tomes together. Its most likely that the refined DNA sequencing necessary to distinguish one genetically linked Dutton tribe from another and yet from another would take years and cost tens of thousands. The less analytic tests would serve no purpose. The latter are virtually as unhelpful as blood types when this question of intrafamily links is asked. Perhaps some might form a nonprofit corporation, raise funds via donations, grants, and other means, and some day retain a medical facility to handle the task. I don't think its going to happen on a shoestring. With respect and compliments for an interesting idea. Walter

I received this from another list I am on and am sending it along in case it may help someone out. carole <The following was printed in Lucas Co., IA July 1999 newsletter. Perhaps this will be of interest to fellow listers. Harriet> <Pension Files Found Over a hundred boxes of pension records that date back to the "Revolutionary War, War of 1812 and the Seminol War" were recently found at the National Archives. None of these have ever been indexed or microfilmed. They are arranged by account number and are being published in American Genealogy Magazine by Datatrace System, PO Box 1587, Stephenville, Texas 76401> <Veterans Records Discovered Some 10 million duplicate of 20th century military records thought to have been destroyed in the 1973 fire have been found by the Veterans Administration. If you have been told the records you need were burned in that fire, you may want to write again to: National Personnel Records, GSA 9700 Page Blvd. St. Louis, MO.>

Hello Lynn & Sue, Yes, I have considerable data on that branch of the DUTTON tree - Asa was my 4th cousin 4 times removed (4C4R). He was married 3 times with 5 kids by Eunice TOWNSEND, 3 by Mary SPINNEY and none by by Elizabeth Hall the widow of John BROOKS. I will need a bit more data on your family line, from you to Asa, to make sure you get the data you want. What is the best way of sending fairly large amounts of data to you? How do you get along with zipped gedcoms? You realize, of coarse, this makes us cousins and a "Banner Day!" I would rather find one new living relative any day than 100 dead ones. Many thanks Sue! Dick Dutton Researching my family tree! Trunk: DUTTON Major branches: ALLEN, BARTLETT, CUTLER, DOGGETT, DUNTEN, DUNTON, JENSON, LAKE, METCALF, PARTRIDGE, REYNOLDS, RICHARDS, SAWYER, SMITH, TRACY, TURNER, WEDGWOOD. Minor branches: ADAMS, ALDEN, BALL, BLACK, BLANCHARD, BREWSTER, BRIMHALL, CARY, COLBURN, HATCH, HOPKINS, HYDE, KIDDER, PERKINS, WARNER, WILLIAMS. Smaller Limbs: ALGER, ANDERSON, CLARK, DAVIS, FRENCH, FULLER, HALL, HARRIS, JOHNSON, KNAPP, McMILLAN, MERRICK, MILLER, MOORE, NELSON PARKER, TUTTLE - And many more. ========================================================== Sue Dutton Rodgers wrote: > Dick:Ý I'm forwarding this message to you to see if you can help her > out??Ý Thanks.Ý Sue > > Lynn:Ý Dick is a researcher with alot of information on the New England > Duttons.Ý Sue > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Dutton Family > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:44:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: Lynn Murray <chickysquaw@yahoo.com> > To: oldolls@ipa.net > > Hi, Sue, > I was given your email address by Todd Pebsworth. He > said you were pretty informed about the Dutton family. > My grandmother was born a Dutton. Her gggrandfather > was Asa Dutton, who came to Brown Co., Ohio around > 1815 from Maine. I believe his parents were Ephraim > Dutton and Susanna Bixby, from Cavendish, VT. Does > this hold any meaning for you? My grandmother's father > passed away when she was only 6 months old, and her > mother a year later. She was raised by her maternal > grandmother in Indiana, so she grew up not knowing too > much about her father's family. She'll be 92 next > month. Any info or advice you can give me would be > greatly appreciated! I've only been at this for about > two months and I can't believe how much I've found > already. I've been very fortunate. Thanks an awful > lot! Lynn Murray > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

1850 CENSUS, PENNSYLVANIA, DELEWARE COUNTY lds FILM 444744 Township of Springfield, Dwg 2 Fam 2 page 154 Charles Dutton age 27, farmer, married w/in/year Hannah Dutton age 25, Emily Francis Dutton age 16, John ? age 12--all born Pennsylvania. With Charles Logan family, age 36, 26 Township of Middletown Dwg 18 fam 18, page 178 Richard Dutton age 65, no occupation, b. PA Hannah age 44, born Pennsylvania. Dwg 19 Fam 19 Rebecca Dutton age 60 b. PA Dwg 46 Fam 47 page 180 Joseph Dutton age 40 farmer val 6350, Sarah 36, William 13, Isaac 12, all born Pennsylvania; plus Sharpslif ? family. page 189, Township of Middletown, Dwg 205, fam 206 Nathan Dutton age 51, shoemaker, Hannah 26, Mary # 9, Thomas 6, Sei?uis 2, George, all born Pennsylvania. Township of Radnor, page 221, Dwg 15, Fam 16 Simeon M Dutton age 20, Miller, born Penn., Hanna Evans 17, with Jesse Brook family, he age 50, wealthy miller. There is another Nathan in Upper Chester Twp, will send later. Seeking Melvin O Dutton who had a son born 1869.

Hello All, I've been surfin again, which is always dangerous, as I pick up strange ideas sometimes. But the BBC is over there in England digging folks up from construction sites and reconstructing faces of the dead and having their DNA analyzed. Makes me want to dig up one of ours!!! Sure would be a faster way to establish paternity than trying to read 17th century wills that look like they are written in Cyrillic!! :)) The link below leads to "Meet the Ancestors" story about Sir Nicholas Manley whose will was dated 1520. He, perhaps, would have been a contemporary of Sir Lawrence Dutton who died in 1527. Here's where I get really werid! Maybe, we could have a couple of male donors from PA John's line, from MA John's line and VA Dutton line contribute some fluid samples and see if the DNA matches? ...........Don't shoot!!.........it's just a thought! :)) http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/ancestors/blackhand.shtml carole

Laurie, My father and I visited the area 15 years ago. You should obtain a good quality map or road atlas of England from any Barnes & Noble, Borders, or other large chain bookstore. I suggest you get one soon so you can locate places of interest before you depart. To find the towns of Dutton, Aston, and Overton, the scale will probably need to be 1:250,000 or better. To find Overton on a map: Locate Liverpool on the central west coast of England just above Wales. Liverpool is on the north bank of the River Mersey. Upriver (a tidal estuary really) from Liverpool you will find Runcorn on the south bank. About 8 km. ESE of Runcorn, just to the east of the M56 auto route, you will find the village of Dutton (where Dutton Manor once stood -another place you will want to visit). About 2 kilometers SW of Dutton is the village of Aston (for which the township of Aston, PA, was named, probably by John Dutton). Out in fields near Aston is the Church of St. Peter Aston by Sutton. Inside you will find some memorials to Duttons. About 4 km west of Aston is Frodsham, a larger community. The Overton of John Dutton is just to the southside of Frodsham. It is tiny. Just a few houses. If you drive around the area, you will find a view point that overlooks the River Mersey (and a nuclear power plant!) in the vicinity. Also, don't fail to visit Chester, after which Chester, PA is named. It was the real seat of government and markets for Cheshire. It has Roman ruins as well as a museum with some items that date to the time of the Norman conquest, which is when Odard showed up! Doug Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: <LASroots@aol.com> To: <DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 11:02 AM Subject: Duttons from Overton, Cheshire, ENGLAND > Hi Cousins and Friends, > > I will be leaving for England on August 22 and plan to visit Overton where my > ancestors, John Dutton and Mary Darlington were born. I only have one > problem - there are 3 towns by the name of Overton. Does anyone know which > one is the correct one. I can't find Cheshire anywhere on the map. Here is > what I found on mapquest: > > Overton northeast of Southampton in South England > > Overton northwest of Shrewsbury in Central western England (I think this town > may be in Wales) > > Overton north of Liverpool/Blackpool on the coast > > Thank you, > > Laurie (Dutton) Spandorf > > P.S. I will also be visiting the town of York where there is a shop called > "Dutton's for Buttons" - I was there in 1990 but did not go into the shop (I > wasn't researching my family tree yet!). Will let you know what I find out! > They must be cousins! > >

Hi Laurie, I haven't heard from you in a while. It's nice to know you're still with us. Cheshire is a "county" (Shire in England) on the west coast of the main island of England. To find some information specifically on that shire visit the following URL: http://members.tripod.com/~AlanCheshire/ When you get there scroll down to "Maps" and go to that page. When you get there look under "U.K. Maps" and select "Counties of England, Scotland & Wales." There you will find Cheshire about midway on the western coast colored green and abbreviated CHS. On the southwest it is bordered by Wales and on the north by Lancashire. While you are in Cheshire you might want to visit the town of Dutton which is located on highway A533 as well as Chester which I believe may be the "county" seat. I envy you your trip - Happy Hunting! Dick Dutton ========================================================== LASroots@aol.com wrote: > Hi Cousins and Friends, > > I will be leaving for England on August 22 and plan to visit Overton where my > ancestors, John Dutton and Mary Darlington were born. I only have one > problem - there are 3 towns by the name of Overton. Does anyone know which > one is the correct one. I can't find Cheshire anywhere on the map. Here is > what I found on mapquest: > > Overton northeast of Southampton in South England > > Overton northwest of Shrewsbury in Central western England (I think this town > may be in Wales) > > Overton north of Liverpool/Blackpool on the coast > > Thank you, > > Laurie (Dutton) Spandorf > > P.S. I will also be visiting the town of York where there is a shop called > "Dutton's for Buttons" - I was there in 1990 but did not go into the shop (I > wasn't researching my family tree yet!). Will let you know what I find out! > They must be cousins!

Hi Cousins and Friends, I will be leaving for England on August 22 and plan to visit Overton where my ancestors, John Dutton and Mary Darlington were born. I only have one problem - there are 3 towns by the name of Overton. Does anyone know which one is the correct one. I can't find Cheshire anywhere on the map. Here is what I found on mapquest: Overton northeast of Southampton in South England Overton northwest of Shrewsbury in Central western England (I think this town may be in Wales) Overton north of Liverpool/Blackpool on the coast Thank you, Laurie (Dutton) Spandorf P.S. I will also be visiting the town of York where there is a shop called "Dutton's for Buttons" - I was there in 1990 but did not go into the shop (I wasn't researching my family tree yet!). Will let you know what I find out! They must be cousins!

Hello Elvin, Below you will find a Family Group Report for your Moses' parents. Dick Dutton Researching my family tree! Trunk: DUTTON Major branches: ALLEN, BARTLETT, CUTLER, DOGGETT, DUNTEN, DUNTON, JENSON, LAKE, METCALF, PARTRIDGE, REYNOLDS, RICHARDS, SAWYER, SMITH, TRACY, TURNER, WEDGWOOD. Minor branches: ADAMS, ALDEN, BALL, BLACK, BLANCHARD, BREWSTER, BRIMHALL, CARY, COLBURN, HATCH, HOPKINS, HYDE, KIDDER, PERKINS, WARNER, WILLIAMS. Smaller Limbs: ALGER, ANDERSON, CLARK, DAVIS, FRENCH, FULLER, HALL, HARRIS, JOHNSON, KNAPP, McMILLAN, MERRICK, MILLER, MOORE, NELSON PARKER, TUTTLE - And many more. =========================================================== Elvin Dutton wrote: > Hi. I am trying to find information about the parents of my great grand > father Moses Dutton. He was born in Virginia in 1816 and moved to > Arkansas. He must have moved at an early age because he was married in > Arkansas and all of his children were born there. Any information would > be appreciated. > Thanks. Elvin Dutton ======================================================== Name: John Dutton óóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó Birth: 1774 Greenville Co., SC Death: Arkansas Father: Jeremiah Dutton (~1745-) Mother: Sarah Marriage: abt 1805 pr. North Carolina óóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó Spouse: Susannah Stepp óóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó Birth: abt 1787 North Carolina1 Death: bef 1860 Wa Co. Arkansas2 Father: Moses Stepp (1763-1856) Mother: Sally Jackson (1764-1820) Children óóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó 1 F: Elizabeth Dutton Birth: abt 1805 Virginia Spouse: William Gibson Marriage: 19 Jun 1828 Scott County, Virginia óóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó 2 F: Sarah Dutton Birth: abt 1807 Virginia Spouse: Jacob Shadrack Gibson Marriage: abt 1826 pr. Virginia óóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó 3 M: James Cass Dutton , Sr. Birth: abt 1808 Russell County, Virginia Death: abt 1865 Washington Co., Arkansas Spouse: Matilda MULLETT/MOLLETTE Marriage: abt 1830 pr. Virginia óóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó 4 M: Moses P. Dutton Rev. Birth: abt 1816 Virginia Death: 20 Jan 1897 Goshen, Wa. AR Spouse: Elizabeth Lane Marriage: 13 May 1841 Tennessee Notes for John Dutton Susie Dutton <oldolls@ipa.net> Sources 1. ìCemetary record,î 2. 1910 Census, Rio Grande Co, May 1910. óóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó Last Modified: 12 Jun 1999 Created: 12 Jun 1999 óóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó Please report corrections or additions to: Richard A. Dutton 325 Beal Parkway Ft. Walton Beach, FL 32548-3956 850-862-3327 FAX 850-864-1444 E-mail rad@emcst.com