Well I've primarily only entered my line. Maybe if enough of us have done the same thing, we could merge them into a reasonably complete database. > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Hall [mailto:doughall@mediaone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 8:26 AM > To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Cope's Duttons in Family Tree Maker? > > > Simple question: > > Has anyone entered all (or even a good portion of) Gilbert Cope's > DUTTONs of > Pennsylvania into a Family Tree Maker database who would be > willing to make > that available to me (and to anyone else who might want a copy) > as either a > FTW or GEDCOM file? > > Doug Hall > >

Well, I got quite a few positive responses to my suggestion of a collaborative project to update Gilbert Cope's 1871 "Genealogy of the Dutton Family of Pennsylvania". If this kind of project is going to succeed, it will have to proceed with some shared expectations and common understandings. It will also need to have a core of 5-6 committed participants who agree to help shape the project and do much of the grunt work involved. Here are my proposals: 1. The project must have a limited defined scope. 1A. I suggest that it include the lineal descendants of John DUTTON and Mary DARLINGTON, the PA immigrants of 1682, not their ancestry (or supposed ancestry) in Cheshire England. This is similar to what Cope did in his book. For each of the first 4 generations, ancestry of DUTTON spouses can be included back to the original emigrant to North America. This is a lot of folks potentially. The number of lineal descendents in Cope is: 2nd generation - 5 3rd generation - 26 4th generation - 48 5th generation - 91 6th generation - 243 7th generation - 508 8th generation - 335 (children in 1870 when Cope published) Our goal would be to fill out the 8th generation (maybe as many as 1,250 altogether using a 2.5 multiplier for each generation) 9th generation would amount to about 3,100 10th generation would amount to 7,800 (this would include those of us born in the 1940s and 1950s 11th generation would be on the order of 20,000 Of course, Cope missed some members of earlier generations (such as my g-grandfather Frank DUTTON in the 7th generation) that would expand the tree laterally as well. So we are talking potentially about 40,00-50,000 new names! That is no small task. Cope only dealt with 1,259! 1B. As a corollary, DUTTONS for whom there is no known connection to the tree of John and Mary's descendents should NOT be included. The descendents of Massachusetts cousins or of other, later, immigrants should NOT be included. We can't have lots of disconnected branches with no place to put them. Until a submitter can legitimately match them up with a known individual in the master file, they do not get added. 2. The project must have some standards to make sure things mesh right. 2A. Technically, all data should be in Family Tree Maker or GEDCOM files. Those files can be imported into a master file and be connected up with the persons already listed in the master file. This should NOT be a project to do data entry for someone who has some scraps of information or some word processed family tree. The project would be an attempt to integrate information that others have already prepared. 2B. Citations of sources should be included in all submissions. FTM and other software has capability to provide a citation for each event - birth, death, marriage, burial, etc. It is amazing how much "personally told to me by my grandmother" material is wrong. The result of the project should not be to propagate guesses, but to present well-researched and documented relationships. 2C. We should use Cope's material as the basic starting point and reference. If someone has information that contradicts Cope's work, he/she needs to reference the page and text of Cope that is affected. If material is submitted that provides for 8th, 9th, and 10th generation descendents of an individual in Cope, that individual's number in Cope's book should be specifically identified. 3. We need to have shared but reasonable timetables for any work. I am not retired; I have a full time job, a 13 year old son, a wife, some farm animals. I do a lot of community volunteer work and also travel out of the country quite a bit. I do genealogy as a hobby and only when it fits into my otherwise busy life. I suppose most of us are in that situation. If someone submits some DUTTON material, it could take weeks or even months to get added. Depending on how much help we get from how many people, the project could easily take 1-2 years to come to fruition. ----- Given these suggestions do I now have volunteers to become part of a team to do this? If so, let me know WHAT you can do: check sources, merge data files, proof existing data for inconsistencies, typos, do original research? My plan would be for the group to do its work by email and to set up a group mailing list that we could use for mutual communication. We could use this DUTTON-L list as a means of updating everyone on our project's status and requesting information from other DUTTON researchers. I'm interested in negative reactions and criticisms too! So pipe up and give us all your thoughts by posting here to the full list, not just to me personally. Doug Hall Chichester NH

Does anybody know what a Bondsman is and does during the 17th century regarding a marriage? See usage below. Walter--Do you know? This is in a list of marriage licenses granted in the Diocese of Chester. Why would anyone need a bondsman to get married? 16 Sept 1624 "Thomas Dutton and Mary Renny, Parish of Manchester, Spinster. Bondsman, Ralph Dutton. At Manchester." Carole

Doug, I, for one, love your idea. Especially the parts referring to figuring out how to merge the files easily and the printed final product. I'm one of those 'cousins' from John of Massachusetts. I'll be glad to try to help if I can. Let me know. Brenda Bremerton, WA

Susie - this file is marvelous. Clearly you've taken a lot of time to enter so much of Cope's material and more. Now I have a further question for all of us on this list. Is there a way we can - by working together - expand the complete descent in a single file adding the pieces each of us may have? EXAMPLE - my line back to Cope's genealogy is something he didn't know about. In his book (p. 72) he lists Nathan P. DUTTON as #378 and says "He was killed by lightning when attending a public sale at Village Green 8 mo 3, 1850. His widow married again but died soon after. No children." In fact, his widow, Sidney LARKIN, gave birth to Frank DUTTON on March 3, 1851 - 7 months after Nathan's death. Frank was then raised by his grandfather Jonathan DUTTON and his uncle William Henry DUTTON. While Cope wrote in 1871, and Frank was 20 years old at the time, Cope didn't get the info correct. Frank was my great-grandfather and I have info on his upbringing, marriage, and descendents that would update and expand this small section of Cope's work. In fact, I have a photo of Frank taken in 1905 at his daughter's wedding at the old DUTTON homestead in Twin Oaks. Susie has already extended Cope's material with her own lines. Others of you may have other new material you could add. If I simply import parts of Susie's FTW file into my own, I'll have this part more complete. But others of us must have other sections. A mind-boggling, but doable project would be to set up a single master file in someone's hands and have each of us submit the new material. The new material should be well documented, of course, and we would probably need some guidelines on that. We'd also need to figure our way through the mechanical steps of merging different pieces of data from FTW and GEDCOM files in ways that won't irresponsibly or accidently overwrite one submission with another. That will take some care and attention. With a lot of work, we could even produce a 21st century printed version of Cope's genealogy to be shared with all DUTTONS (even our cousins descended from John of Massachusetts, those still in England, etc.) This is not something for 1 person to do. This would require a team effort. Is anyone game? Let me know by personal reply, but also post here to the list so we will all have some idea if this idea is worth pursuing..... Doug Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Dutton Rodgers <oldolls@ipa.net> To: Doug Hall <doughall@mediaone.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 1:34 PM Subject: Cope's Duttons > Doug: I think this file is pretty complete. I have included parts of > Cope in the notes section on many. > > Susie >

Simple question: Has anyone entered all (or even a good portion of) Gilbert Cope's DUTTONs of Pennsylvania into a Family Tree Maker database who would be willing to make that available to me (and to anyone else who might want a copy) as either a FTW or GEDCOM file? Doug Hall

1850 Illinois Census, LaSalle County, Salisbury Township, page 338, dwg 2337, 17 Dec 1850. Adam Dutton age 50 carpenter, real estate 570, Sarah age 47, Elizabeth A. age 20, Peter L age 18 Clerk, Emma age 14, Henrietta age 11, Christiana 8--last three in school, all born Pennsylvania. In Serena Township of LaSalle County, page 389, Dwg 3, 14 Nov 1850. Jeremiah Dutton age 22 Stagedriver born Deleware. Boarding with Lewis family. 1850 Illinois Census, Lawrence County, No. Twp. L., page 89, dwg 126, 24 Aug 1850. William Dutton age 41 farmer real estate 1030, b. Ohio; Eliza age 34; Stephen age 18 farmer; Stuart age 16 farmer. The above all born Ohio except Eliza unknown birth place. William age 14, John age 6, and San?gyl female age 5 have garbled data in notes and probably hard to read film. NO OTHER CONNECTIONS FOR THE ABOVE. SEVERAL OF THE DUTTON FAMILIES IN PHILADELPHIA AREA WERE WEALTHY CARPENTERS AND BUILDERS ON THE 1850 CENSUS. DUTTON

I've just added the following marriage to my online database at: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/massmarriages/index.html DUTTON Lucy, 22, born: Sudbury MA, daughter of Salomon and Bulah Married 28 May 1850 in Sudbury MA to SEYMOUR Charles, 27, shoemaker, born: Canada, son of Charles and Frances More marriages will be added in the weeks and months to come. Please fill out the Mind-it form on the web site to receive an e-mail notification every time I add data on the surnames you are researching. Doreen Fox __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

1850 Pennsylvania, TIOGA County, Tioga Twp, page 101, dwg 101. Dyan Dutton age 48, farmer, real est 8000, b. VA. Sarah age 44 born Va; William age 15, Mary A. 8 born PA. Film 444798. Tioga County is on the north, central edge of Pennsylvania. Film 444800 for Venango and Warren Counties. VENANGO and WARREN counties are in northwest Pennsylvania, with Erie and Crawford counties separating them from Lake Erie. 1850 Pennsylvania, VENANGO County, Columbus Twp., page 292A, Dwg 968, Fam 968. Solomon Dutton age 44, farmer real estate 2000 b. N.H. Rebecca age 47 born NY; Sarah 16, Adsolm A. 15 female, Richard D age 6, . page 297, Fam 1048, Columbus Twp. Warner Dutton age 2 with Hanson Head age 35, Charlotte 23. Family 1057, Columbus Twp. Solomon Dutton age 59, farmer real est. 200 b. VT? Irena age 59, Adam 29, William 16, Charlotte 13. 1850 Pennsylvania, WARREN County, page 308A, Spring Creek Twp, Line 8, Dwg 1216, Family 1218. Salman J. Dutton age 38 farmer born NY. Meung age 25 born PA; Polly age 6, Warner 2, children born PA. Page 313A Fam 1277, Spring Creek Twp. Lorin Dutton age 26 born NY; Sophie age 20 born New York.

Film 444777. 1850 PENNSYLVANIA, Philadelphia County, excluding city, 2d Ward Mayamensing, 16 August 1850. Page 319, Dwg 1220, Fam 1436. Abraham Dutton age 39, white, born Pennsylvania. Catherine age 40, Martha age 4. Film 444783. 1850 PENNSYLVANIA, Philadelphia County, North & South Mulberry Wds. Page 336, Dwg 192, Institution for Blind. Henry Dutton age 25, male, Teacher, born Connecticut. Film 444787. 1850 PENNSYLVANIA, Philadelphia County, exc. city, Sixth Ward, Spring Gardens, 8 Aug 1850. Page 604, Family 779. Norris B. Dutton age 27, Carpenter born Pennsylvania. Margaret age 27, Anna M. age 6, Emma E age 3, John A age 2, and Ada V age 5/12, all born Pennsylvania. Film 444785. 1850 PENNSYLVANIA, City of Philadelphia, New Market Wards, Dwg 105 family 127. Joshua Dutton age 21, Carpenter born Pennsylvania. He is with Charles ?anborn, Coachmaker of Conn., and others. Film 444778. 1850 PENNSYLVANIA, Philadelphia County, Northern Liberties Wards 2d Ward. Page 100, Dwg 343. William Dutton age 60, Bookkeeper born Deleware. He is with Debra Steel age 54, and others. 5th Ward, Northern Liberties. Page 337. Bengaman Dutton age 33, Tailor born Maryland. Leuisa age 21, Allace age 4 female, Frank 2, Ida 6/12--all born Pennsylvania except Bengaman. Film 444786. 1850 PENNSYLVANIA, Philadelphia County, Spring Garden First Ward, page 287, fam 39. Lewis T. Dutton age 33, born Pennsylvania, Shoe Maker, Trunk Dealer. Mary age 28 born NJ; Isaac Thomas 5 b. PA; Adelaide V age 3, Catherine T age 2, both born PA. With them Margaret Smith age 60 b. Pennsylvania. Jane O'Hara 22 born Ireland. Page 357, First Ward, Spring Gardens. Family 1096. Catherine Dutton age 53, born Pennsylvania, real estate valued 20,000. Sarah M. age 30 b. Pennsylvania. Richard R. age 28, Shoe Dealer b. Penn. Alexander L. age 26, Clerk, August P. age 26, Clerk, all born Pennsylvania. Jane Nutte age 25, female born Ireland with family.

I have added the documents that Bob Dutton has been discussing on this list after he was gracious enough to send me a copy. They are the probate records of Kingsman Dutton (ca. 1711 - ca. 1765) and can be found at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~amcolan/Dutton/dutton_documents.html#Kingsman Dutton (ca. 1711 I anyone would like a Word 97 version of them, please email me and I will send it to you. I can also send an RTF version. Based on the evidence in these documents that indicate that Ann (Routh) Dutton was Kingsman's wife at his death, I've added an additional generation which is the Kingsman that married Ruth Watson. At this point it is only conjecture and circumstantial evidence, but I feel that it is not possible that Ruth Watson was the second wife of Kingsman who was married to Ann Routh above. I'm open to any differing opinions. Curt Rowe

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Susan:� Your enquiry was forwarded to me and I am forwarding it to the Dutton Rootsweb mailing list as I am sure someone there can answer your questions better than I can. Can someone connect with Susan??? Susie

Hi DUTTONS, The following marriage information was provided by the Old Swedes Church, 606 Church Street, Wilmington, DE 19801, from their records from 1713 to 1799. Part of this information was included in an earlier, incomplete posting 11/17/99. David Dutton/Janna McClaskey--10/22/1750 David Dutton/Mary Lind--5/4/1741 David Dutton/Hannah Rodgers--10/1/1778 Francis Dutton/Hannah Talbert--4/17/1775 Jonathan Dutton/Martha Beeson--2/5/1772 Kingsman Dutton/Ruth Watson--2/27/1756 (L). Means they had a license. Thomas Dutton/Anna Ruth--2/13/1758 Hannah Dutton/Jonathan Richards--11/15/1756 David Dutton/Hannah Rodgers and Francis Dutton/Hannah Talbert are sons of the Kingsman Dutton who married Anne Routh. Kingsman Dutton/Ruth Watson is assumed by some to be the second marriage of the same Kingsman Dutton who married Anne Routh. This is doubtful because he would have been married to two wives living in the same township of Aston, Chester County, PA. at the same time. Also his first wife was living when Kingsman died, because she administered his estate, received a widow's 1/3 of his estate, and received a larger amount to maintain and school their two younger children, all this according to the probate records of Chester County, Pa. Some records indicate Kingsman Dutton/Ruth Watson had a son, Kingsman, born in Aston township in 1759. It may be that Kingsman Dutton/Ruth Watson was another son of Kingsman Dutton/Anne Routh, but we have no proof. I ask the church for any additional information about these Dutton, and it indicated they had has no additional information and no records indicating any of them were members of the church. The will (1718-1719) of the first Kingsman I know of spelled and signed his name Kinsman. He was the grandfather of the first Kingsman Dutton who married Anne Routh. Bob Dutton

Following is a complete list of the Dutton family married in the Old Swede Church, 606 Church Street, Wilmington, DE 19801 David Duton/Janna McClaskey 10/22/1750 David Dutton/Mary Lind 5/4/1741 David Dutton/Hannah Rodgers 10/1/1778 Francis Dutton/Hannah Talbert 4/17/1775 Jonathan Dutton/Martha Beeson 2/5/1772 Kingsman Dutton/Ruth Watson 12/27/1756 Thomas Dutton/Anna Ruth 2/13/1758 Hannah Dutton/Jonathan Richards 11/15/1756 none of these

My name is Stephanie Dutton. I live in Virginia, and I'm new to the list. I'm searching for information on my great-grandfather Luther Dutton. He was born December 18, 1885 in Ash, NC and died May 29, 1965 in Whiteville, NC. He married Gaddy Dawson Smith (b: July 1, 1893, Old Dock, NC d: October 20, 1961, Ash, NC) daughter of David Franklin Smith and Sarah Elentine Waney Formyduval (b: October 18, 1862) on August 15, 1909 in Longs, SC. If anyone has any info to share I would be extremely grateful. Thank you!

I'm looking for any information on Ohio DUTTONS in Bowerston, Harrison County. I have Lydia "Ida" DUTTON daughter of Jeremian DUTTON and Elizabeth RIPPETH DUTTON. Lydia was born 15 July 1822 and died 25 Mar 1889 in Roswell, Tuscarawas County, OH. Are there any cousins out there? Susan near Toledo, OH

I've just discovered your list and would like to introduce myself. I'm Norm PRESTAGE, and I live in Camrose, Alberta, Canada. My paternal great grandmother was Rebecca Charlotte DUTTON. She was born 17 Feb 1889 on Woodstock Road, Summertown, Oxfordshire, which I understand is part of the city of Oxford. Somehow, she moved to Birmingham, where she married my great Grandad, Robert Henry PRESTAGE, on 27 May 1907. They came to Canada in 1912. I have certs showing this much. She died 19 Jun 1970 at Woodstock, ON, Canada. Her parents were William David DUTTON (11 Apr 1864-Dec 1906) and Minnie LYDDIATT (6 May 1866-Dec 1920). I don't have any other info on them. I've heard that he was a button maker and a 'sand blaster at Cycle Works', two rather disparate jobs, I would think! If you have any info on this particular DUTTON family, I would love to hear from you. Thanks, Norm Prestage nprestage@ontis.com

Coincidentally, I just sent this out tonight to few cousins. It describes Kingsman Dutton's movement from PA, various counties in Virginia including Wood, to Athens County, Ohio. Kingsman Dutton was the patriarch of the family which included a son James who would have been 25 in 1810. However, James is reported as moving to Ohio in 1807 There are no sons named David or William. Kingsman had an uncle David who ended up in Ohio as well. He had a son William. For a complete run down of this Dutton line, see http://homespages.rootsweb.com/amcolan. I would appreciate knowing where you found these records. Curt Rowe > -----Original Message----- > From: bugs@gw.total-web.net [mailto:bugs@gw.total-web.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 8:59 PM > To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Duttons in West Virginia > > > I was researching another family line in Wood County West > Virginia on the web and ran across landowner records showing > three Duttons. Wood County is next to Athens County Ohio which > has numerous Dutton's. > > William Dutton 1803 > David Dutton 1803-1809 > James Dutton 1810-1815 > > They didn't list anything after 1815 > > The only thing I can not figure out is why there are not any > Dutton's listed on the 1810 Census they have, unless it is incomplete. > > Does anyone have any knowledge of this Dutton family, either > ancestors or descendants? > > Andy Dutton >

I was researching another family line in Wood County West Virginia on the web and ran across landowner records showing three Duttons. Wood County is next to Athens County Ohio which has numerous Dutton's. William Dutton 1803 David Dutton 1803-1809 James Dutton 1810-1815 They didn't list anything after 1815 The only thing I can not figure out is why there are not any Dutton's listed on the 1810 Census they have, unless it is incomplete. Does anyone have any knowledge of this Dutton family, either ancestors or descendants? Andy Dutton