Hi to all Duttons, I downloaded the entire IGI for Dutton's in England (bit by bit, week by w

Well I might be interested if you could tell me what an IGI is. Is it an English thing or am I not up to speed on genealogical terms? Speaking of your most generous contribution of the Dutton hall pictures and the like, I've found an announcement on one of the rootsweb pages that they will be giving web server space to Sponsors ($24/year) for a small additional fee. Should the fee be truly small and the space indeed large, I will move my web pages there and add your pictures that I got from Phyllis. > -----Original Message----- > From: colin [mailto:colin.dutton@btinternet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 11:44 PM > To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: IGI England > > > Hi to all Duttons, > > I downloaded the entire IGI for Dutton's in England (bit by bit, week by > week) at my local LDS History Centre and have imported it into a MS Excel > spreadsheet (it's enormous). Would anybody like a copy, (it will have to > be zipped) if so, just drop me a line). > > Also, I sent out to various members the following photographs: > > arms1 > bunbury 01-05 > gtbudworth 01-03 > hall 01-36 > tiverton 01-06 > also a drawn plan of the hall > > If you didn't receive them or had some missing, drop me a line and I will > send you the missing bits. You will need to do this soon as I will be > winging my way over to California on the 15th July for three > weeks (Yipee!) > > Regards to you all > > Colin > > > eek) at my local LDS History Centre and have imported it into a MS Excel spreadsheet (it's enormous). Would anybody like a copy, (it will have to be zipped) if so, just drop me a line). Also, I sent out to various members the following photographs: arms1 bunbury 01-05 gtbudworth 01-03 hall 01-36 tiverton 01-06 also a drawn plan of the hall If you didn't receive them or had some missing, drop me a line and I will send you the missing bits. You will need to do this soon as I will be winging my way over to California on the 15th July for three weeks (Yipee!) Regards to you all Colin

Phyliss:  I have researched this family quite a bit.  I have: "Big" Adam Dutton was the son of Phillip Derting of Pennsylvania.  It looks like the name Dutton just evolved for this family.  In early census records in Wythe Co they are reported as Dutting, then Duttin, then finally Dutton by about 1850. Adam Dutton was b. 6 Mar 1760 either in Pa or Montgomery Co. Va. and d. 10 Oct 1833 in Wythe Co.  He m. Catherine Steffey b. 15 Jan 1767 in Aden, Lancaster Co, Pa. and d. 5 May 1852 in Wythe Co.  They married 6 Mar 1787, I think in Wythe Co.  I show the following children for them: John b. abt 1788                       Peter  b. Jan 1795 Elizabeth b. abt 1790                  George 16 Jan 1797 Adam Jr. 28 Mar 1791                Mary Catherine 10 Dec 1799 Joseph b. abt 1792                      Magdalena Molly b. 16 Apr 1802 Jacob 5 May 1804 Regina 3 May 1890 and William 23 Feb 1812 I don't find a Maria but I have Mary Catherine m. Samuel Brown 16 Mar 1828 in Lawrence Indiana; Magdalena m. Michael Myers, no more info.  I have much more info on them if you find something relevant.  Looks like several of Adam and Catherine's children went to Indiana and the rest stayed around Wythe Co, Smyth Co, Washington Co., etc.  I will be glad to send you an FTM file if you want it.  Sue Dutton Rodgers

A favor to ask of all you list members. Please check your computers or notebooks or scraps and bits of paper or ouiji boards -- whatever is your favorite genealogy storage system. Look for: ADAM DUTTON who lived in Wythe, Virginia time frame - approximately 1790 - 1840 ......and did he have a daughter MARIA......born early 1820's?? Anything you have might help! Phyllis in HOTlanta

To all the DUTTON researchers. I will be out of the country 30 Jun-18 Jul with no e-mail capability. My regular account will store all my normal mail til I get back so it will take me awhile after that to catch up. Happy Hunting! Dick Dutton

Hi Carol, I do have all of the individuals, (with the possible exception of John 1) mentioned below by W. Charles Barnard, in my files - Sort of! While I have Anne DUTTON m.Sir Thomas MOLYNEUX, my file shows her mother to be Ann TOUCHET. I also have a Joan GOUSHILL who is a descendent of Henry III and is married to Lord Thomas STANLEY and has a daughter Elizabeth married to Richard MOLYNEUX Lord of Sephton. I have three Elizabeth STANLEYs in my files but none married to a DUTTON. Otherwise, all my data agrees with his. The only thing I can guarantee about any of this data is that I have no primary or secondary source documentation to substantiate any of it and have no idea which, if any of it, is correct. Dick Dutton Researching my family tree! Trunk: DUTTON Major branches: ALLEN, BARTLETT, CUTLER, DOGGETT, DUNTEN, DUNTON, JENSON, LAKE, METCALF, PARTRIDGE, REYNOLDS, RICHARDS, SAWYER, SMITH, TRACY, TURNER. Minor branches: ADAMS, ALDEN, BALL, BLACK, BLANCHARD, BREWSTER, BRIMHALL, CARY, COLBURN, HATCH, HOPKINS, HYDE, KIDDER, PERKINS, WARNER, WILLIAMS. Smaller Limbs: ALGER, ANDERSON, CLARK, DAVIS, FRENCH, FULLER, HALL, HARRIS, JOHNSON, KNAPP, McMILLAN, MERRICK, MILLER, MOORE, NELSON PARKER, TUTTLE - And many more. ======================================================================= Carole Malisiak wrote: > > Hi All, > > I sent and received the following email to/from Walt Barnard. I did not > see Isabel or Ann or Maud in Curt's web pages, so, I wondered if you > guys already have info on these people or not? Maybe this is new > stuff. Certainly is new to me!!! > Take care, > Carole > > At 08:51 PM 6/16/98 -0500, you wrote: > >W. Charles Barnard, > >I see that you have listed family connections to Wm the Conqueror. I > >also have connections to this same Wm. Am wondering: if you have > >Duttons in your tree, > >If we are related, and if so, how! > >Carole Dutton Malisiak > > > I am leaving town Thursday, but will search my records when I get back > week > of 28 June. My main connection to Wm. is through the Stanley line. > > Interesting info: > > Isabel Dutton m. Christofer de Southworth (1443-1487) > > Anne Dutton ( -1520) m. Sir Thomas Molyneux ( -1483) > Her mother was Elizabeth Stanley. > Her grandmother was Joan Goushill. Desc. of Henry III & Edward I & > John I > > Maud Dutton m. Sir William Booth > > I have a book with many lines on Dutton to royalty. > > Let me know what you want. > > WebSite http://home.att.net/~wcb-llb - Revised 9 February 1998 > (Minor) > E-mail wcb-llb@worldnet.att.net > Fingers getting tired & weary > Tired, Retired , Retread > > Walt

Ryerse, Phyllis wrote: > > New to me....but maybe old stuff to you seasoned Dutton cousins. > I refer to the Sep/Oct 1997 issue of Heritage Quest. > In book reviews I found: > > "A leaf from Armyu Life-Background and Experiences of a Civil War > Soldier. > Compiled by Dorothy Kincheloe Hendrix...Orem, UT > This book is based on a collection of the experiences > of GROVE H. DUTTON > a veteran of the War of the Rebellion. ............ > The reality of war and its hardships, agony and death are discussed in > letters written home during the war. Materials covered regarding the war > begin in Sept 1862 and end in June of 1865. > (It's unclear if these letters were written by Grove H. Dutton or not > -p.r. ) > Also included in this volume are genealogies of the Dutton Family from > 1630 to the present, including lineage charts and an extensive > bibliography." > > Has anyone seen this?? Is it anything important? The charts sound > interesting. Wonder what they are? > > Phyllis in HOTlanta Hi Phyllis, I've never heard of it before. It does sound interesting. However, I do have him, his ancestors, and 2 generations of his descendents in my file. If you find out how to obtain a copy of the book I would be interested in getting a copy. Dick Dutton Researching my family tree! Trunk: DUTTON Major branches: ALLEN, BARTLETT, CUTLER, DOGGETT, DUNTEN, DUNTON, JENSON, LAKE, METCALF, PARTRIDGE, REYNOLDS, RICHARDS, SAWYER, SMITH, TRACY, TURNER. Minor branches: ADAMS, ALDEN, BALL, BLACK, BLANCHARD, BREWSTER, BRIMHALL, CARY, COLBURN, HATCH, HOPKINS, HYDE, KIDDER, PERKINS, WARNER, WILLIAMS. Smaller Limbs: ALGER, ANDERSON, CLARK, DAVIS, FRENCH, FULLER, HALL, HARRIS, JOHNSON, KNAPP, McMILLAN, MERRICK, MILLER, MOORE, NELSON PARKER, TUTTLE - And many more.

New to me....but maybe old stuff to you seasoned Dutton cousins. I refer to the Sep/Oct 1997 issue of Heritage Quest. In book reviews I found: "A leaf from Armyu Life-Background and Experiences of a Civil War Soldier. Compiled by Dorothy Kincheloe Hendrix...Orem, UT This book is based on a collection of the experiences of GROVE H. DUTTON a veteran of the War of the Rebellion. ............ The reality of war and its hardships, agony and death are discussed in letters written home during the war. Materials covered regarding the war begin in Sept 1862 and end in June of 1865. (It's unclear if these letters were written by Grove H. Dutton or not -p.r. ) Also included in this volume are genealogies of the Dutton Family from 1630 to the present, including lineage charts and an extensive bibliography." Has anyone seen this?? Is it anything important? The charts sound interesting. Wonder what they are? Phyllis in HOTlanta

This email was on the cheshire mail list. Mike Dunton -----Original Message----- From: Keith Austin [mailto:keitha@u030.aone.net.au] Sent: Friday, June 19, 1998 5:40 AM To: CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHESHIRE-L] Re: MLFHS: Boats and Boatmen Hi Neville, I have two references to Thomas Dutton (occupation Flatman) and Mary (maiden name unknown). Both from Great Sankey parish records (courtesy of Beryl Whitehead - thanks Beryl). They are: Baptisms 1825 May 22 James & Mary twins son & dau of Thomas & Mary Dutton. Sankey Bridges 1822 Feb 24 Thomas son of Thomas & Mary Dutton. Sankey Bridges Keep me in mind if you find out anymore and I will do likewise. Regards Keith Austin Canberra, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Neville Arrowsmith <arrowsmith@w150.aone.net.au> To: CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com <CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 19 June 1998 16:54 Subject: Re: [CHESHIRE-L] Re: MLFHS: Boats and Boatmen >G'day Keith > >I have a note of a Thomas DUTTON who married a Mary ARROWSMITH on the 22nd >June, 1814. > >That is all I have. Mary may have been my gg grandfather's sister > >Regards > >Neville >Bellambi NSW >arrowsmith@w150.aone.net.au > > > >==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ==== >Cheshire Queries Board - World GenWeb Project: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8555/chsquery.html > > > > > > >

Hi All, I sent and received the following email to/from Walt Barnard. I did not see Isabel or Ann or Maud in Curt's web pages, so, I wondered if you guys already have info on these people or not? Maybe this is new stuff. Certainly is new to me!!! Take care, Carole At 08:51 PM 6/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >W. Charles Barnard, >I see that you have listed family connections to Wm the Conqueror. I >also have connections to this same Wm. Am wondering: if you have >Duttons in your tree, >If we are related, and if so, how! >Carole Dutton Malisiak > I am leaving town Thursday, but will search my records when I get back week of 28 June. My main connection to Wm. is through the Stanley line. Interesting info: Isabel Dutton m. Christofer de Southworth (1443-1487) Anne Dutton ( -1520) m. Sir Thomas Molyneux ( -1483) Her mother was Elizabeth Stanley. Her grandmother was Joan Goushill. Desc. of Henry III & Edward I & John I Maud Dutton m. Sir William Booth I have a book with many lines on Dutton to royalty. Let me know what you want. WebSite http://home.att.net/~wcb-llb - Revised 9 February 1998 (Minor) E-mail wcb-llb@worldnet.att.net Fingers getting tired & weary Tired, Retired , Retread Walt

I checked the Copy book and could not find any of those surnames. > -----Original Message----- > From: Carole Malisiak [mailto:malisiak@midohio.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 9:04 PM > To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: WDC-GENWEB > > > Hi All, > > I sent and received the following email to/from Walt Barnard. I did not > see Isabel or Ann or Maud in Curt's web pages, so, I wondered if you > guys already have info on these people or not? Maybe this is new > stuff. Certainly is new to me!!! > Take care, > Carole > > > At 08:51 PM 6/16/98 -0500, you wrote: > >W. Charles Barnard, > >I see that you have listed family connections to Wm the Conqueror. I > >also have connections to this same Wm. Am wondering: if you have > >Duttons in your tree, > >If we are related, and if so, how! > >Carole Dutton Malisiak > > > I am leaving town Thursday, but will search my records when I get back > week > of 28 June. My main connection to Wm. is through the Stanley line. > > Interesting info: > > Isabel Dutton m. Christofer de Southworth (1443-1487) > > Anne Dutton ( -1520) m. Sir Thomas Molyneux ( -1483) > Her mother was Elizabeth Stanley. > Her grandmother was Joan Goushill. Desc. of Henry III & Edward I & > John I > > Maud Dutton m. Sir William Booth > > I have a book with many lines on Dutton to royalty. > > Let me know what you want. > > WebSite http://home.att.net/~wcb-llb - Revised 9 February 1998 > (Minor) > E-mail wcb-llb@worldnet.att.net > Fingers getting tired & weary > Tired, Retired , Retread > > Walt > >

This is actually addressed to Rev. Joseph H. Dutton of Augusta, Georgia. He messaged me in this mail list but I no longer have his email address (and cannot find it on Bigfoot, etc.). Rev. Dutton, Did you receive the copy of the Dutton chart that I sent to you some weeks ago? I have not heard from you nor have I received the $15 to cover copy and postage costs. Please contact me. Doug Hall

Hi to all the DUTTON researchers - I'm a bit excited. Not a lot - YET - but just MAYBE I've finally noticed something significant. If everyone that got a copy of the chart from Doug Hall (many thanks Doug!) compiled by P.H. Lawson will get it out and follow along (a magnifying glass really helps) and then tell me what you think. I have included below a family history report of 4 generations of data, ending with MA John, that I've had in my file almost from the beginning of my genealogy research - but none of which can I prove. I have a terrible time following some (many) of the lines of descent on the chart but here goes. The whole chart I got consists of 5 seperate sheets. The sheet we are interested in now is the lower right one of the 4 that actually comprise the chart itself - the one that has "Compiled By P. H. Lawson F.S.A." on the bottom. Slightly to the right of center and down 2.5 inches from the top of the sheet is a Sir Ralph DUTTON M.P. d.1646 (note the date of death in my data below) The chart shows Sir Ralph's parents to be William d.1618 and Anne the da. of Sir Ambrose Nicholas (see data below) I can't tell, for sure, from the chart if Thomas d.1581 is the father of William but look at my data below. Now look 3/4 inch below Sir Ralph DUTTON (mentioned above) and you will see another Sir Ralph M.P. It looks to me as if this is merely a continuation of the same man with the line on the chart interrupted by a note that I can't understand. The lower Sir Ralph has a son John. Could he be our MA John immigrant? There are sure an awful lot of similarities to be merely a coincidence. I await everyone's thoughts and opinions. Dick Dutton (1) 1 Thomas DUTTON, 1689 ————————————————————————————————————————————— Birth: abt 1507, Sherborne, Gloucestershire, England Death: 4 Oct 1581, Sherborne, Gloucestershire, England Burial: 24 Oct 1581, Sherborne, Gloucestershire, England Occ: Esq. of Sherborn Father: William DUTTON, 1687 (~1482-) Mother: Agnes CONWAY, 1688 (~1484-) Research: Death: From Alta Vista off the network. Spouse: Mary TAYLOR, 1690 Birth: abt 1507 Marr: abt 1531, Gloucestershire, England Children: William, 1691 (~1537-1618) (2) 1.1 William DUTTON, 1691 ————————————————————————————————————————————— Birth: abt 1537 Death: 1618 Spouse: Anne NICHOLAS, 1692 Birth: abt 1537 Father: Sir Ambrose NICHOLAS, 130894 Marr: Cheshire, England Children: Ralph, 1693 (1575-1646) (3) 1.1.1 Ralph DUTTON Sir, 1693 ————————————————————————————————————————————— Birth: 1575, Cheshire, England Death: 1646, Burnt Island Occ: Sheriff-Gloucestesrshir Spouse: Mary DUNCOMBE, 1694 Birth: abt 1575 Children: Ralph, 1696 (~1592-) William, 1695 (~1594-) John, 283 (1596-1693) (4) 1.1.1.1 Ralph DUTTON, 1696 ————————————————————————————————————————————— Birth: abt 1592 (4) 1.1.1.2 William DUTTON, 1695 ————————————————————————————————————————————— Birth: abt 1594 (4) 1.1.1.3 John DUTTON, 283 (This is my MA John) ————————————————————————————————————————————— Birth: 5 Oct 1596, Sherborne, England Death: 4 May 1693, Reading, Middlesex, MA ————————————————————————————————————————————— Please report corrections or additions to: Richard A. Dutton 325 Beal Parkway Ft. Walton Beach, FL 32548-3956 850-862-3327 FAX 850-864-1444 Email:rad@emcst.com

NOTE: If you are on another mailing list, I am sorry if you get duplicates of this message. Just a quick note to tell you that The Homesite (http://www.web-ster.com/miked) has gotten the beginning of a work over. It is optimized for Internet Explorer 4.0 but should work fine with other newer browsers. Please send comments and suggestions. I addition to cleaning up old dead links and categorizing the links pages, a new bookstore service (http://www.web-ster.com/miked/store) has been added. Read all about it in the current issue of "The Dunton Times" (http://www.web-ster.com/miked/duntnews.htm). This site is intended as a resource for all of us Dunton and Dutton cousins. Please keep sending me links that you think we can all benefit from, newsletter article submissions (please follow the NEHGS format for genealogical stories - I don't have time to convert, research sources, etc. for submissions), and suggestions for other types of materials that you would like to have access to. Now is the time to send in the "wish list". Regards, Mike Dunton <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ The Dunton Family Homesite P.O. Box 767 -- Molalla, Oregon 97038 http://www.web-ster.com/miked list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~

Hi All! Yesterday, I recieved my copy of Gilbert Cope's book, "Genealogy of the Dutton Family of Pennsylvania." I was so EXCITED!! I found my g-grandfather, Nehemiah, in there!!! The Appendix has some info on the Connecticut Duttons. If anybody else wants to buy it, they can get a copy for about $20 (softback) from: http://www.higginsonbooks.com/surnameb.htm It took about 3 to 4 weeks to arrive. Take care, Carole D. Malisiak

Thought you'd all enjoy reading Colin's reply to my recent message. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dutton, Colin, DUTTONCW [SMTP:colin.dutton@bt.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 5:38 PM > To: Ryerse, Phyllis > Subject: RE: A day out in Cheshire > > Hi Phyllis > > First of all, let's go to your map, can you find Chester, of course > you can, > now head for Manchester and you will pass through Northwich and head > towards > Altrincham, now just above Altrincham is Sale, where I live!! easy!! > Now as > for Liverpool, that is about thirty miles down the road to the west > and that > is quite near enough!!, There is great rivalry between the two Cities > of > Manchester and Liverpool, we argue about anything we care to think of. > We > argue about soccer and music and when some Liverpudlians come to > Manchester, > they steal a car to go back in and conversely, when Salfordians from > Salford > (next to Manchester) go west, they steal a car to come back in!! What > a > crazy world we live in. > > Accents, well I'm afraid that I'm going to let you down because I > don't > speak like the Beatles, I have a Manchester accent, sorry for that. > > Now, once again an apology, I need to correct your thoughts on Linda > McCartney, she is buried on Paul's estate, somewhere in the south of > England, St.Martin's in the Field church was used for her 'remembrance > service'. St.Martin's in the Field is a lovely church just off > Trafalgar > Square and is used by many noted families for similar services. I > went to > one myself about ten years back when Ralph Reader CBE died. Who? I > hear you > ask. Well, I am a Scout Leader and assist in Scout Gang Shows as an > Assistant Producer and Ralph Reader began them back in 1932 when as a > young > man he was the youngest Director on Broadway as he worked with the > likes of > Busby Berkley and the great Al Jolson. > By the way, you are quite correct that it is the very same St.Martin's > that > the young Elizabeth Egerton was buried in before being moved to Little > Gaddesden. Young John was buried at Tarvin and I hope to gain > entrance to > the church there soon to have a look around. > > On to your "dumb question" department. Not so dumb really. I think > that we > need to head north to New England and go to Salem, first of all to > look at > the clothes that were worn by John Dutton in Tarvin, William Penn and > indeed > John Dutton of Mass., then perhaps if we went to an Amesh?? (or > Amish??) > settlement to listen to them speak and we would not be very far away > from > the truth. > > Now, my turn to ask a few questions. > > Have you any good advice for me and my family for when we come over > to > California next month, we have never been to the States before and > would > appreciate anything that you may like to say. I have no trouble with > driving on the right (we drive on the left here) as I visit Europe > each year > so this will not be a problem, however, one or two of your driving > laws will > be a little hard to come to terms with, like turning right at traffic > lights > and not overtaking school buses etc. Also, do your cars still have > column > gear shifts or are they floor mounted like in Europe? How about the > places > to avoid and when? Do we need to wear money belts, do we have to > carry our > passports at all times? How secure are hotel rooms, do we need to > lock > things away in the hotel safe? I'm sorry to ask such a lot of you. > > Well that's enough for now. > > Regards > > Colin > > >

Seeking ancestors of Elizabeth Taylor, who was born in 1813 in TN and died about 1875 in Hardin co., IL. She married, in IL in 1832, Abner Dutton, son of Asahel Dutton and Lydia Moss. Gary Corlew garycorlew@aol.com

Seeking original or secondary source documentation that Asahel Dutton, born 1753 in Wallingford, CT and Sarah Frisbie, born 1756 were the parents of the Asahel Dutton who was in Bradford co., PA by 1800 and in Hardin co., IL area by 1815. Gary Corlew garycorlew@aol.com

Doug Hall was gracious enough to send me the signatures from the Dutton documents in his possession. I've placed them on my web page http://www.netcom.com/~curtrowe. Anyone wishing to copy them just has to right click on the signature and then save it. There are signatures for: Mary (Darlington) Dutton (her mark) John Dutton b 1675 Elizabeth (Kingsman) Dutton Thomas Dutton b 1702 Robert Dutton b 1707 Ann (Brown) Dutton I've also split up the Dutton page into three pages: the Dutton origins, the First Duttons, and John Dutton of Pennsylvania. The first deed that Doug sent out is their also, which I mentioned before. Thanks Doug for sending them to me. Curt Rowe

Oh Colin......you really know how to get our attention!! What a MARvelous message and story of your day! I was right there along with you.....and my map ....for the whole trip! Pictures at 11 ! (as they say on our TV!!) Can hardly wait for them! Yes, a trip over there is definitely called for. When - to be determined later! I recognized several of those little village names from reading "The Duttons of Dutton..." etc. Our "cousins" spread out into lots of those nearby places didn't they. As I get a feel for distances on this map.....I can see that they weren't very far away from each other after all. It just occurred to me......you live near Liverpool....and Manchester etc..... oh my goodness......your "Beatles accent" doesn't translate to e-mail!! Oh this is fun!! You must sound like one of them......and I hadn't even considered that up untill now! What fun! Luv it! And your wife and kids too!! Terrific! (or do they sound more formal......like the Queen!!) Well, this is sorta off-topic, but I heard that Linda McCartney was buried at St. Martins-in-the-fields. Think I remember that the wife of "young John who was thrown from his horse on his wedding day" was buried first at a church by that name and then moved to a place called Little Gaddesden. Are there more than one St. Martin's......or could it be the same place?? We need a geography lesson here. Phyllis (your nutsy cousin in Atlanta --- but I was born in northern Ohio so I don't have a "sutheren drawl !") P.S. Here's another one for the "dumb question" department! What kind of an accent did John Dutton have -- our ancestor who came with Wm.Penn to Pennsylvania in 1682??? (or the John Dutton who came earlier to Mass.??)