Hi, Susan. I am back from a bit more than a week away. Thanks for responding to my post regarding my severe qualms about the John Dutton / Thomas Dutton connection in Massachusetts and my belief that the John Dutton, son of Sir Ralph Dutton in England could not have been the John Dutton Savage noted in Massachusetts. I am simply raising questions and concerns. I'll quote your recent message and ask my questions. >John was born ca 1596 and died 4 May 1693 at Reading, Middlesex, MA. What is the source of this information. Specifically, what is the source of the info regarding the birth date for the John Dutton who was in Massachusetts. The only source I've seen quoted in Savage and that was in Cope's genealogy of the Duttons of Pennsylvania. I'm more than willing to concede that Cope probably didn't have access to all the information on Massachusetts. But there must be some source for this 1596 date, no? And what about the death. Cope doesn't mention that either. John would have been about 97 years old if both dates are true. That's not impossible but it is extraordinary for those times. I would doubt that more than 1 in a 1000 lived to be over 95 during that period. This all seems unlikely to me, but I'm willing to accept it if there is a good source for it. > Ralph was 1575 and died 1646 at Burnt Island (I don't know where this is) >From page 422 of "Supplement to Collin's Peerage of England" "Sir Ralph Dutton, Knight, which honour he received at Woodstock, in August 1624. In the reign of King Charles the first, he was Gentleman of the Privy Chamber in extraordinary, and High Sheriff of Gloucestershire in 1630; and being zealously attached to the interest of his sovereign in the great rebellion, his estate was sequestered, for which a comfition of 952 (pounds), 17 (shilling), 1 (pence) was paid, and heforced to fly beyond the sea; but being beat back by contrary winds in his passage from Leith in France, he was cast away on Brunt Island, and there died in the year 1646." In this rendition the spelling is "Brunt Island". Whether this book has a typo or later renditions of this story got the spelling wrong, I don't know. >So why is this so wrong? John could travel to the colonies when he was in his 30's. Because according to this source (which I quoted in my original message), the John Dutton who was the son of Sir Ralph died in England without children. If you have any source that contradicts this, I'd be more than pleased to acknowledge it. "Sir John Dutton, of Shirborne, Baronet, some time Knight of the shire for the county of Gloucester, who died February 1, 1742-43, aged 61, and was buried at Shirborne the fourth of the same month, having had two wives, first Mary, sole daughter and heir of Sir Rushout Cullen, of Upton, in Warwickshire, Baronet, but she died without issue, and was buried at Shirborne, on May 23, 1719; and by his second wife Mary, daughter of Sir Francis Keck, of Great Tew, in Oxfordshire, Bart. They had only a daughter, Mary, of whom her mother died in child-bed; and they were both buried at Shirborne, on June 15, 1729. Sir John having survived all his brothers, and dying without issue, the baronetage became extinct at his death." Since this John (son of Sir Ralph) died in 1742-43 at age 61, he would have been born in 1681-82. He could not, therefore, have been in Massachusetts at the time Savage indicated there was a John Dutton in 1630. I just don't see how the John who was son of Sir Ralph could be the same John in Massachusetts. The dates are wrong by more than 60 years and we have a source for the continual life of the John in England, including the fact that he died childless and that his baronetage expired on his death. As far as I know we have no source that connects John Dutton of Mass with any branch of the Dutton family in England. If you have one, that's great, but please share it with us. >I am a descendant of John Dutton (born 1596 at England and died 4 May 1693 at >Reading, Middlesex, MA) and Mary Neeld. Do you have any source for the Mary Neeld name? >John and Mary's son, Thomas (Born 1621-1686/7) married Susannah Palmer Do you have any source for Thomas being the son of John? >Tom and Susannah's son, Joseph X. Dutton (1650/1- 1733/4) married Mary (Marah) Cutler. This and the following material I have no reason whatsoever to doubt. What I am looking for is some sort of proof that links (1) Thomas Dutton as son of a John Dutton; (2) a Mary Neeld as the wife of John Dutton of Massachesetts; (3) John Dutton of Massachusetts back to a specific parentage or Dutton line in England. Doug Hall

Well, I was hoping for more on the Duttons, but any information will be useful, so please do send it. I've also told your aunt, I think, Ann Heron that I will make Foster's work available to the LDS Family Center. I or someone from the Dutton List, which I have cc'd on this note, will try to obtain the paper copy as well. Since I have or had a number of Dutton relatives in Ohio, they may be related to the Hanah Dutton you have mentioned. Thanks for taking the time to help us out. Curt Rowe > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Jay Herron [mailto:th2g@andrew.cmu.edu] > Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 10:18 PM > To: curtrowe@ix.netcom.com > Subject: > > > Hi, > > This evening I was looking at the genealogy program that my relative > Foster Brooks was using, and I noticed that he only had time to put in one > single Dutton into the family tree that branches out around him. Having > seen the giant paper book of names that he compiled from the 60's through > the 90's, I know that he compiled lots of information on Duttons (one of > them having accompanied William Penn on his sail to the future US), but > almost none of that is in the program. Ann Herron can make a copy of the > paper list probably. Ironically, the giant list was compiled using a > computer - but one which used paper card readers as its main form of > memory storage. > > I'm still willing to send the program, but I just want you not to expect > much if anything from it if you still want it. The one Dutton in the > computer records is Hannah Dutton, born in Tucaroras County, OH around > 1837 - all her descendants are in the program, too, of course. > > Tim > >

Hi Phyllis, Just returned from visiting Wyatt Cemetary--at least what is left of me after the bugs had dinner!!! The cemetary is near the Marion and Delaware County line. Someone had finally answered my phone call to the Delaware County Historical Society (740.369.3831) and they gave me directions. I tested them out. It is a small cemetary located 8 miles north of Delaware City (10 minute drive from my house). The Historical Society has read 95 % of the cemetaries, so, you can read the markers in the comfort of the DCHS building. But if you really want to go and see it, here's how. Directions 1) go N on 23 from Delaware for 8 miles. 2) turn right on St. Rt. 229 to Ashley. 3) Almost immediately, turn L on first road, Brundige Rd., Township Road #231. 4) Almost a mile and you'll see Groll's Fine Furniture Warehouse and a mailbox that says 7262 Brundige Road. 5) turn R on the dirt road by the mailbox, drive past the house, road turns into a grass trail, keep going, go left at the Y in the grass, and you are there. If you go, take your REI Jungle Juice. You'll need it! I did not see Isaac and Ann Dutton, but I didn't stay long. This is what I did see: (Attention to Chet Kilburn) MARY W. WIFE OF S. H. CLEVELAND SILAS H. CLEVELAND APR 23, 1876 79 YRS. 5 MOS. IN MEMORY OF EMILY DAUGHTER OF JACOB & RACHEL DUTTON WHO DIED WNE 9 MOS. & 2 DAYS IN MEMORY OF KUUV (?) DUTTON WHO DIED APRIL 3, 1813 That's all I did as I had to flee the insect hordes! Take care, Carole Dutton Malisiak Duttons of Ohio

Hi everyone, I have just e-mailed the IGI Download zipped to the following people :- The Atkinsons Claire Bell Cousin Beth Michael Dunton Richard & Jean Dutton Doug Hall Linda C. Kitzrow Liz Millward Sue Rodgers Phyllis Ryerse I hope that you all get it okay, please let me know, also, did I miss anyone out, you have until Tuesday to let me know, otherwise you will have to send the file amongst yourselves. I have just three photographs left to complete the film in my camera, I will definately take them this weekend and get them processed on Monday so that I can attempt to scan them Monday night and get them out, they are from my 'Drive Around Cheshire'. Regards to you all and remember your roots!! Colin (still looking for mine)

In my opinion, I know that given the circumstances, I would not want everyone from this list, plus anyone who happens to read the archive of these messages, calling me. It could be a very large number of calls and from what you describe, this would probably try his patience quickly. I would sumbit to all that we go ahead and let Curt continue his efforts since he is willing to share once he receives the data. I also want to remind people that these mailing lists are not private and therefore you should be very cautious about presenting personal information, your own or information about other living people. It is a big world and not everyone is nice. Mike Dunton <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ The Dunton Family Homesite P.O. Box 767 -- Molalla, Oregon 97038 http://www.web-ster.com/miked list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: Curt Rowe [mailto:curtrowe@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:47 PM To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Foster Brooks Update Some of you may remember that I called Foster Brooks' executor in April regarding getting a copy of Foster's genealogy. After giving him a generous amount of time to send it to me, I called again today. As many of us are wont to do, Bill Heron had forgotten about it. He said he would try to send it out real soon. He says there is quite a bit of material. From an email conversation that I had with Sheryl Banks it may be the case that Foster did not have a lot of data on the Dutton's based on what he gave to her. By the way Sheryl, Bill and his wife Ann do live in Canton, Ohio. Bill Heron also had printed copies made of the material which gives me the impression that he would be willing to share the information with a number of people. If any one lives close to Canton, perhaps they could drop by and pick one up. His number is 330 492-5961. I would caution that we coordinate who calls him, however. If ten or twenty of us start calling we may try his patience. Bill was on his way to a nap when I called at about 4PM EDT so I would call earlier than that. He's 71, so I imagine he is retired. Another alternative is to wait until he sends me the material which I will post to the list when I get it. Since he said that the squeaking wheel gets the grease, I will endeavor to call more frequently should I not receive it in a few weeks. I mentioned that I would like to submit it to LDS and it met with his approval. He also said that a 'woman with dark hair' dropped by Foster's house when they were cleaning it out asking about the material. Any 'women with dark hair' on this list? :) Curt Rowe

Some of you may remember that I called Foster Brooks' executor in April regarding getting a copy of Foster's genealogy. After giving him a generous amount of time to send it to me, I called again today. As many of us are wont to do, Bill Heron had forgotten about it. He said he would try to send it out real soon. He says there is quite a bit of material. From an email conversation that I had with Sheryl Banks it may be the case that Foster did not have a lot of data on the Dutton's based on what he gave to her. By the way Sheryl, Bill and his wife Ann do live in Canton, Ohio. Bill Heron also had printed copies made of the material which gives me the impression that he would be willing to share the information with a number of people. If any one lives close to Canton, perhaps they could drop by and pick one up. His number is 330 492-5961. I would caution that we coordinate who calls him, however. If ten or twenty of us start calling we may try his patience. Bill was on his way to a nap when I called at about 4PM EDT so I would call earlier than that. He's 71, so I imagine he is retired. Another alternative is to wait until he sends me the material which I will post to the list when I get it. Since he said that the squeaking wheel gets the grease, I will endeavor to call more frequently should I not receive it in a few weeks. I mentioned that I would like to submit it to LDS and it met with his approval. He also said that a 'woman with dark hair' dropped by Foster's house when they were cleaning it out asking about the material. Any 'women with dark hair' on this list? :) Curt Rowe

Dear J.T., The following message you posted to the list, mentions that you have alot of information on Edith Beanes' Family. I believe that her fathers name was Walter and her mother was Mary Revell. Do you possibly have any information on ancestors for Walter. Also, I understand that Mary Revell was the daughter of Randall Revell, however, there is some discussion about Katherine Scarborough, being Randalls Second wife and married to him to late to have Mothered Mary Revell. Please if you could, your thoughts on this or any other blanks you can fill in about the Beane, and Revell Families. Sincerely, Thomas Thompson > > Now, my Zachariah Dutton notes: > > 1. THOMAS DUTTON, b. ca. 1665 in England, emigrated to United States ca. > 1680, arriving in Maryland. Married Elizabeth Hill, daughter of Matthew > Hill and Edith Beane (have a lot of data on this family). 2 sons: Matthew, > b. 28 Sep 1692; and Notley, b. 19 Dec 1694. Thomas died before 1717 in > Charles County. > > 2. MATTHEW DUTTON, b. 28 Sep 1692 in Charles County, Maryland. Married > Judith O'Caine, daughter of Gerrard O'Caine. 3 sons: Notley, Thomas, and > Gerrard. Matthew died ca. 1734 in Charles County. > > Of the 3 sons of Matthew Dutton, I am sure that one is the father of > Zachariah. Notley did have heirs--I only know of one of them, another > Notley, who married Eleanor Philpott Glover. From my cousin Julie Dutton, I > am told that Thomas had 4 children: Notley, Muriel, Eleanor, and Matthew. > Gerrard is the one I am currently betting on as Zachariah's father. > > 3. GERRARD DUTTON, b. ca. 1730-34 in Charles County. Died ca. 1791 in > Charles County. His will leaves entire estate to oldest son Thomas Morriss > Dutton, and in the event that Thomas dies without heirs, to next oldest > James Dutton. No mention of any younger children--leaving open the > possibility that Zachariah is his son. Since Zachariah named a son Gerrard, > I believe that this may be his father. > > 4. ZACHARIAH DUTTON, b. ca. 1750 in Charles County, Maryland. Married (1) > possibly a Penn, in Charles County, Maryland. Married (2) Mrs. Judith > Parrish, widow of Claiborn Parrish. Zachariah died 1829 in Granville > County, North Carolina. 10 children: Matilda, William, John, Zachariah, > Alexander Thomas, Stephen, Edmund, Elizabeth, and Samuel Sneed. > > Any data that any of you can provide would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Best regards, > Joseph Thomas Richardson

Thomas and JT The following facts all lead to the eastern shore, 1. The notley name, 2. Randell Revell 3, Hill Name So how in the heck do they tie in to the Duttons of the Eastern shore?????? And where did thomas Dutton come from in england??? Sincerely RAY On Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:32:49 -0700 T Thompson <thompson-3@worldnet.att.net> writes: >Dear J.T., >The following message you posted to the list, mentions that you have >alot of information on Edith Beanes' Family. I believe that her >fathers >name was Walter and her mother was Mary Revell. Do you possibly have >any >information on ancestors for Walter. Also, I understand that Mary >Revell >was the daughter of Randall Revell, however, there is some discussion >about Katherine Scarborough, being Randalls Second wife and married to >him to late to have Mothered Mary Revell. Please if you could, your >thoughts on this or any other blanks you can fill in about the Beane, >and Revell Families. > >Sincerely, >Thomas Thompson > >> >> Now, my Zachariah Dutton notes: >> >> 1. THOMAS DUTTON, b. ca. 1665 in England, emigrated to United States >ca. >> 1680, arriving in Maryland. Married Elizabeth Hill, daughter of >Matthew >> Hill and Edith Beane (have a lot of data on this family). 2 sons: >Matthew, >> b. 28 Sep 1692; and Notley, b. 19 Dec 1694. Thomas died before 1717 >in >> Charles County. >> >> 2. MATTHEW DUTTON, b. 28 Sep 1692 in Charles County, Maryland. >Married >> Judith O'Caine, daughter of Gerrard O'Caine. 3 sons: Notley, Thomas, >and >> Gerrard. Matthew died ca. 1734 in Charles County. >> >> Of the 3 sons of Matthew Dutton, I am sure that one is the father of >> Zachariah. Notley did have heirs--I only know of one of them, >another >> Notley, who married Eleanor Philpott Glover. From my cousin Julie >Dutton, I >> am told that Thomas had 4 children: Notley, Muriel, Eleanor, and >Matthew. >> Gerrard is the one I am currently betting on as Zachariah's father. >> >> 3. GERRARD DUTTON, b. ca. 1730-34 in Charles County. Died ca. 1791 >in >> Charles County. His will leaves entire estate to oldest son Thomas >Morriss >> Dutton, and in the event that Thomas dies without heirs, to next >oldest >> James Dutton. No mention of any younger children--leaving open the >> possibility that Zachariah is his son. Since Zachariah named a son >Gerrard, >> I believe that this may be his father. >> >> 4. ZACHARIAH DUTTON, b. ca. 1750 in Charles County, Maryland. >Married (1) >> possibly a Penn, in Charles County, Maryland. Married (2) Mrs. >Judith >> Parrish, widow of Claiborn Parrish. Zachariah died 1829 in Granville >> County, North Carolina. 10 children: Matilda, William, John, >Zachariah, >> Alexander Thomas, Stephen, Edmund, Elizabeth, and Samuel Sneed. >> >> Any data that any of you can provide would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Best regards, >> Joseph Thomas Richardson > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi Everyone, I found an interesting link that you might be interested in--the Rollo Clan: http://www.tartans.com/clans/Rollo/rollo.html Carole Dutton Malisiak

Hi Susan and everyone, I'm a descendant of Thomas DUTTON also, and at this time I have not found any proof who Thomas DUTTON parents were or the maiden name of his wife. Torrey suggest that his wife maiden name was PALMER, but I haven't seen his source documention for that suggestion yet. Has anyone seen it that can tell us why Torrey suggest her maiden name was PALMER Savage says that his is perhaps the son of John, but there is no proof. THOMAS, Woburn, perhaps son of John, b. abt. 1621, had first living at Reading, there by wife Susan, it is thot. had Thomas, b. 1648; Mary, 14 Nov. 11 1651; Susanna, 27 Feb. 1654; John, 2 Mar. 1656; but the following prob. at Woburn, Eliz. 28 Jan. 1659; Joseph, 25 Jan. 1661; Sarah, 5 Mar. 1662; James, 22 Aug. 1665; Benjamin, 19 Feb. 166~; removed to Billerica, there was in 1675 with son Thomas and John. His son Thomas was wounded and had remarkable escape in 1677, when Capt. Swett and many of his men were killed in the Indian war at the East. His wife d. 27 May 1684, aged 58, and he m. 9 Nov. following Ruth Hooper. Also found the following: The following notes are from Page 63 of the book entitled, "Genealogical History of the Town of Reading, Mass. - Including the Present Towns of Wakefield, Reading and North Reading - with Chronological and Historical Sketches, From 1639 to 1874", by Hon. Lilley Eaton, Boston, Alfred Mudge & Son, Printers, 1874. DUTTON, Thomas, b. about 1626; 1st wife's name was Susan, she d. 1684, and he m., 2d, 1684, Ruth, dau. of Wm. Hooper. Chil.: Thomas, b. 1648, Mary, b. 1651; Susanna, b. 1653, John, b. 1656; Elizabeth, b. 1659; Joseph, b. 1661, and m. 1685, Rebecca Fitch; Sarah, b. 1662; James, b. 1665; Benj., b. 1669. He removed first to Woburn, and after to Billerica, where he was in 1675. His son Thomas was in the Indian war at the East, and had a remarkable escape in 1677, when many were killed. and also this: Pope says very little . . . from 147: DUTTON, Thomas, Woburn; he deposed in 1658, ae. 39 years. Ch. Thomas, ae. 19, and Mary, ae. 17, in 1667. [Mdx Files]. Ch. Mary b. 14 (9) 165[0], Susanna b. 27 (12) 1653. and Farmer says the same thing as Pope, nothing new. If anyone has a source that proves that John and Mary (NEELD) DUTTON were the parents of Thomas please share it with us. Thomas death [22 Jan 1686/87; Billerica, Middlesex, MA] is also given in History of Jaffrey, NH, Vol II pg 258, [Dutton genealogy]. At this time I have not found an arrival date for Thomas in New England, so right now I do not believe we can said that Thomas DUTTON is the son of John and Mary (NEELD) DUTTON. So I'm asking again if someone has proof of his parents, please share it so we can look at the source. Also in my 20 years of researching my family I can said this Savage has been right 90% of the time, now we just have to prove if he's right or wrong about his remarks about Thomas DUTTON. I really haven't spent much time on the DUTTON's because I just took it that John was his father, now after what we have seen on this GREAT DUTTON List, it's time to really start looking harder into Thomas' background. I hope we all work together on this. Thanks for the time to add my 2 cents, Fred 10:34 AM 7/06/98 ____________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________ Fred Kunchick GSCS[SW] USN Retired Pennsauken NJ kunchick@bellatlantic.net Editor of The Northern KIMBALL On-Line Newsletter Member: NEHGS Camden County (NJ) Historical Society Lo/Lathrop Family Association Kimball Family Association Towne Family Association Home Page: URL: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/7158/index.html Coos County, NH USGenWeb CC. URL: http://members.aol.com/fredkunch/coos.htm Hillsboro County, NH USGenWeb CC. URL: http://members.aol.com/fredkun1/hillsboro.htm Nantucket County, MA USGenWeb CC. URL: http://members.aol.com/fredkunc/nantuckt.htm Suffolk County, MA. USGenWeb CC. URL :http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/5551/ Andover, MA USGenWeb Coordinator URL: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6351/index.htm ICQ# 2000494 ____________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________ -----Original Message----- From: LaCoe <lacoe@microserve.net> To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com <DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 9:20 AM Subject: Re: John Dutton of Mass. >Hi Folks, >I don't have the chart but I am wondering why this can't be true. >Doug Hall wrote: >> Anyway, I hate to punch a hole in a balloon, but this material sounds pretty >> complete and authoritative. I would say this proves that the John Dutton of >> Massachusetts sometime in 1630 (according to Savage) cannot be the same as >> John Dutton, son of Sir Ralph Dutton. >John was born ca 1596 and died 4 May 1693 at Reading, Middlesex, MA. > Ralph was 1575 and died 1646 at Burnt Island (I don't know where this is) >So why is this so wrong? John could travel to the colonies when he was in his 30's. >I am a descendant of John Dutton (born 1596 at England and died 4 May 1693 at >Reading, Middlesex, MA) and Mary Neeld. >John and Mary's son, Thomas (Born 1621-1686/7) married Susannah Palmer >Tom and Susannah's son, Joseph X. Dutton (1650/1- 1733/4) married Mary (Marah) Cutler. >Joseph and Marah's son, Benjamin Dutton (1696-1785) married Mary Cone. >Ben and Mary had a son: >John Dutton >born 23 January 1730 at Wallingford, CT >Married to Abigail Webster, 14 March 1754 at Southington, CT >Abigail Dutton born 10 May 1764 at Southington, CT >Died 27 August 1819 at Oxford, CT >Source (MFIP(Bradford),#236; Wallingford) > >Abigail Dutton >born 10 May 1764 at Southington, CT >Married to Clement Tuttle, 7 December 1785 >Ira Tuttle (Twin) born 2 April 1788 at Torringford, CT >Died 13 September 1833 at Austinburg, OH >Source (MFIP(Bradford), #236 Birth; Tuttle Genealogy pp39 marriage; Tuttle >genealogy pp39 death.) > >If anyone has information to help me, I am willing to share more of what I have. > >Sincerely, >Susan LaCoe >-- >lacoe@microserve.net >

Thanks Harold . . . since there are several people with aol on the lists, I am forwarding your note to the whole list. Thanks. Mike Dunton <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ The Dunton Family Homesite P.O. Box 767 -- Molalla, Oregon 97038 http://www.web-ster.com/miked list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: HD [mailto:hdhilton@starnetinc.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 7:16 PM To: Michael L. Dunton Subject: Re: Spam Mail on the Lists Good Evening Mike: Thanks for your reminder about reporting email abusers. For what it's worth, those on AOL can also forward spam or spam-like messages to TosSpam@aol.com AOL requests that the spam be forwarded in its entirety- don't just report the sender's address. AOL seems to do a very good job of rejecting all mail from specific senders. Were that it was easy for other service providers. Thanks again. Harold Looking ever so plaintively and unsuccessfully for information about William DOUNTON and Rebecca _____ whose daughter Mary married Thomas FLINT on 15 Sep 1674 in Salem Village, Mass.

Hi Folks, I don't have the chart but I am wondering why this can't be true. Doug Hall wrote: > Anyway, I hate to punch a hole in a balloon, but this material sounds pretty > complete and authoritative. I would say this proves that the John Dutton of > Massachusetts sometime in 1630 (according to Savage) cannot be the same as > John Dutton, son of Sir Ralph Dutton. John was born ca 1596 and died 4 May 1693 at Reading, Middlesex, MA. Ralph was 1575 and died 1646 at Burnt Island (I don't know where this is) So why is this so wrong? John could travel to the colonies when he was in his 30's. I am a descendant of John Dutton (born 1596 at England and died 4 May 1693 at Reading, Middlesex, MA) and Mary Neeld. John and Mary's son, Thomas (Born 1621-1686/7) married Susannah Palmer Tom and Susannah's son, Joseph X. Dutton (1650/1- 1733/4) married Mary (Marah) Cutler. Joseph and Marah's son, Benjamin Dutton (1696-1785) married Mary Cone. Ben and Mary had a son: John Dutton born 23 January 1730 at Wallingford, CT Married to Abigail Webster, 14 March 1754 at Southington, CT Abigail Dutton born 10 May 1764 at Southington, CT Died 27 August 1819 at Oxford, CT Source (MFIP(Bradford),#236; Wallingford) Abigail Dutton born 10 May 1764 at Southington, CT Married to Clement Tuttle, 7 December 1785 Ira Tuttle (Twin) born 2 April 1788 at Torringford, CT Died 13 September 1833 at Austinburg, OH Source (MFIP(Bradford), #236 Birth; Tuttle Genealogy pp39 marriage; Tuttle genealogy pp39 death.) If anyone has information to help me, I am willing to share more of what I have. Sincerely, Susan LaCoe -- lacoe@microserve.net

I've added "Lycester's Historical Antiquities" to my web site: http://www.netcom.com/~curtrowe. The link is off of the First Duttons page. Anyone who would like to copy the page should feel free to do so. Curt Rowe

Hi all, There have been a number of attempts to trace John Dutton of Massachusetts back to the Dutton family tree in England. Recently I have seen him identified as a son of Sir Ralph Dutton of Shirborne. On the Dutton family tree that I have circulated to many of you, there is a John Dutton, son of Sir Ralph who seems to be the end of his line. His time period is about right to have emigrated to New England. Is it possible that this is the link? I have some material that I believe eliminates this possibility. The source for what I will quote is the "Supplement to Collin's Peerage of England", in particular the section titled "Dutton Lord Shirborne" which can be found at pages 412-424. I don't have a date for this but it appears to have been published not long after 1780. For those of you with the Dutton chart I mailed out, you can find the particular John Dutton and his father Sir Ralph Dutton in the lower right hand quadrant. He is about in the middle of that quadrant horizontally and at one vertical level above the John Dutton of Overton who emigrated to Pennsylvania in 1682. On the chart this John Dutton's father is listed as "Sir Ralph Dutton Rt M P". While there is no line showing the relationship, above Sir Ralph is a second "Sir Ralph Dutton M P". So here is the scoop on the John Dutton from the text I have (pages 422-423). "Sir John Dutton, of Shirborne, Baronet, some time Knight of the shire for the county of Gloucester, who died February 1, 1742-43, aged 61, and was buried at Shirborne the fourth of the same month, having had two wives, first Mary, sole daughter and heir of Sir Rushout Cullen, of Upton, in Warwickshire, Baronet, but she died without issue, and was buried at Shirborne, on May 23, 1719; and by his second wife Mary, daughter of Sir Francis Keck, of Great Tew, in Oxfordshire, Bart. They had only a daughter, Mary, of whom her mother died in child-bed; and they were both buried at Shirborne, on June 15, 1729. Sir John having survived all his brothers, and dying without issue, the baronetage became extinct at his death." So the John Dutton on the chart was the end of a line - not an emigrant to Massachusetts. In addition he was the wrong age to have been in New England in 1630. Am I sure that the John Dutton quotation above is the son of Sir Ralph on the chart? Yes. This text starts with Leycester's Odard material and traces the line down the chart to Ralph Dutton of Chester who married "Elinor Da of Sir Richard Duleston" and their son "Richard Dutton of Cloughton" It includes Richard's son Thomas, then William to Sir Ralph, and then Sir Ralph (the younger) who was father of the John discussed above. So this descent pretty much matches what is on the chart right down to the John Dutton who died in 1742-43. Here is what it says about John's father, Sir Ralph Dutton (the younger). "Which Ralph, was some time Knight of the Shire for the county of Gloucester, and was created a Baronet of Great Britain, to him and the heirs-male of his body, by patent, bearing date June 22, 1678. He first married Grisell, daughter of Sir Edward Poole of Kemble in Wilts, Knight, and by her, who was buried at Shirborne, February 25, 1677, had two daughters, Elizabeth, baptized at Shirborne October 14, 1675, who became wife to William Green, of London, Esq; and Grisell, baptized February 18, 1677-78, and buried at Shirborne September 11, 1681. His second wife was Mary, only daughter of Dr. Peter Barwick, Physician in ordinary to King Charles the second, by who he had four sons and three daughters." One of those sons was John described above. Anyway, I hate to punch a hole in a balloon, but this material sounds pretty complete and authoritative. I would say this proves that the John Dutton of Massachusetts sometime in 1630 (according to Savage) cannot be the same as John Dutton, son of Sir Ralph Dutton. There are further problems with the genealogies that trace back through the Thomas Dutton of Woburn, Massachusetts. All that Cope can indicate is that Savage's "Genealogical Dictionary of New England" includes a John Dutton "arrived" in 1630 but of no know settlement and no known marriage or offspring. He guesses that Thomas was "perhaps a son of John". Until someone can find a good source, the statement that this John Dutton was married to a Mary Neeld seems to me nothing more than confusion with the Mary Dutton, husband of John of Pennsylvania who later became Mary Neelde when remarried. The New England Historic Genealogical Society has been engaged in a large project, "The Great Migration Begins" to trace the ancestry and location of all immigrants to New England from 1620-1633. Somebody should search that new database to find either John or Thomas Dutton. I am going to be away for a week, but I'd be interested in reactions to my thoughts presented here. I'll read them when I get back about July 13. Doug Hall

After copying out many parts of Leycester's Historical Antiquities into my genealogy, I decided to scan in the whole thing from Gilbert Copes book. With the exception of some changes to the punctuation to make it consistant, I left it as is. I also made the footnotes true footnotes in MS Word. I can send it to anyone in MS Word 97 format or RTF who asks for it. With the footnotes and special fonts, I don't think it will convert to straight text. I will also try to create a pdf version. Finally, I'm going to put it on my web pages if I have room. My guess is that the footnotes were written by Gilbert Cope because several one them cite Leycester. What do the other people who have this book think? Also, I proofed the material twice, but I'm sure I missed some mistakes. I anyone finds one, feel free to let me know.

Becky, here are my thoughts: >The first group of 3 pages is titled "Duttons of Dutton" and is a >hand-drawn chart beginning with Ivron? and listing 6 sons-Nigel, Geffry, >Odard or Hudard, Edord(Edward), Horswin,and Wolfaith with a notation that >these 6 brothers accompanied their uncle Hugh Lupus into England in the >--ain of William the Conqueror their great-uncle. From Odard it lists HUGH >and so on. The first section in Gilbert Cope's "Genealogy of the Dutton Family of Pennsylvania" is titled "Early History of the Dutton Family" and quotes extensively from Peter Leycester's "Leycester's Historical Antiquities" about the Dutton ancestry. The pages which contain the pedigreee are titled "The Duttons of Dutton" on the top. Other sources also cite Leycester for some of their Dutton pedigree. I wouldn't be surprised if the information on the handdrawn chart you have wasn't taken from Leycester, Cope, or similar secondary source. >It follows the chart we recently received for a while and there >are minor discrepencies and it becomes harder to trace the two together. >It ends in the mid 1700's with Hamiah?, Sibel b 1747, Thomas b 1750, >Elizabeth b 1752 md. John Pulsipher(a notation "my second >great-grandfather"), Timothy b abt 1754, Silas chr 1737, Mary chr 1737. >There is a notation on the last sheet "David H. & Ada Wood made this chart >for my mother Mary Ann M. Cook 1936. The DUTTON line is proven correct, and >accepted. Most of temple ord. have been performed." Someone also continued >these trees in pencil onto the back of the pages. This part sounds like it was - at least in part - the result of some original work by David and Ada. Who was David and Ada's ancestor who emigrated from England to America and when? If that immigrant was not John Dutton and your Dutton ancestors trace back to an immigrant in the mid1700s, then that would increase the possibility that the connections are original work of David and Ada. >The next set of 10 pages is titled "The Duttons of New England" and appears >to be a compilation of a larger tree. It begins with John Dutton came in >1630 but I (James Savage) know not where he sat down.......Thomas Dutton of >Weburn, Mass. Perhaps a son of John, was born about 1620 in England; d Jan >22, 1667 aged 47 [it continues about this date being mistaken based on >other info] ..and lists the following children: Thomas,Mary, Sussanna, >John, Elizabeth, Joseph, Sarah, James, Benjamin". This part certainly sounds like it comes pretty directly from Cope's book beginning on page 107 in a section titled "The Duttons of Connecticut". >It continues on page >8-10 with the family of Bruce Allen Dutton and I believe Margaret Herron >Dutton b April 13, 1882 d. June 17, 1945 and there are entries of births up >to 1975. The last page discusses an Orson Henry [Dutton?] divorcing Beth >and marrying Opal Smith, then divorces her and marries Vivian Aubrey Kirk. >He gets divorced and marries Josephine (unknown) in Canada and had a >daughter named Montana Josephine[Dutton]. This sounds like original work. Does it link Bruce Allen Dutton firmly to one of the descendants of Thomas Dutton of Connecticut? Or are they just distinct and separate pages? >The next set of three pages is titled "The Dutton branch of the Austin >Family as compiled by Cort E. Dutton", June 25, 1939. This is a narrative >and enters the Dutton line with Bettie Austin marrying Grove Henry Dutton >of Volney, New York. There were eight children: Ralph 12/19/1880, Bruce >4/13/1882, Bessie 11/25/1884, Orson 7/5/1886, Grove Henry Jr. 4/25/1889, >Cort Edgarton 12/5/1890, Ruth Sophia 12/7/1892 and Anna Pauline 7/26/1895. >Much of this is a discussion of these children and their relocations, often >in Montana. > >My husbands ggrandfather was Leonard DeLos or DeLos Leonard Dutton born bef >1875, grandfather Allan Phillip Dutton b 9/6/1900 in Langdon, ND d. >3/18/1994 in Gold Creek, MT; mother Kathleen Fern Dutton b 1/22/1928 in >Hughenden, Alberta, Canada d.5/8/1986 in Missoula, Missoula, MT m Herbert >Maier 2/14/1923. This all sounds like it is original work that has not been published. How lucky to find such material. It was just sitting there waiting for you to discover it! Doug Hall

Thanks for the positive comments . . . I just want to credit Colin for all of the hard work. He must have tons of hours into preparing the photos, transciption, etc . . . . I only have a couple of hours into the web. I am hoping to keep adding more content . . . stay tuned. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Phyllis Ryerse [mailto:phyllis@webnet.com] Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 6:14 PM To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Dutton-Homestall Pictures Available Online Mike - You've done a fantastic job with the Dutton Hall web page! What a lot of work.....It's very evident that you've spent a lot of time and care on it. The pictures (even little) are stunning when viewed as a whole group. And the articles that Colin sent....just enhance and illuminate the whole story beautifully. Colin should be very proud that he was able to provide us with all of this wonderful material....and you should be very proud of the great job you did putting it all together. I'm sure that all of the descendants (on line) of Mass. John, Penna. John, as well as your Dunton cousins will be excited to see all of this - for Dutton Hall and it's incredible history belong to all of us don't they !! Thanks so very much for providing the vehicle for sharing this ancestral treasure ! Phyllis in Atlanta

Hello to all Dutton Researchers, I have been researching my husbands line of Dutton's without much success. We are told that he descends from the Pennsylvania Duttons. When his mother passed away I found some photocopied pages with Dutton genealogy. No one in the family had ever seen them. We do not know if, or how these pages may be connected to my husbands family. I will give a brief overview in the hope that someone may be able to make a connection with their lines and in doing so may help us make a connection with our lines. The first group of 3 pages is titled "Duttons of Dutton" and is a hand-drawn chart beginning with Ivron? and listing 6 sons-Nigel, Geffry, Odard or Hudard, Edord(Edward), Horswin,and Wolfaith with a notation that these 6 brothers accompanied their uncle Hugh Lupus into England in the --ain of William the Conqueror their great-uncle. From Odard it lists HUGH and so on. It follows the chart we recently received for a while and there are minor discrepencies and it becomes harder to trace the two together. It ends in the mid 1700's with Hamiah?, Sibel b 1747, Thomas b 1750, Elizabeth b 1752 md. John Pulsipher(a notation "my second great-grandfather"), Timothy b abt 1754, Silas chr 1737, Mary chr 1737. There is a notation on the last sheet "David H. & Ada Wood made this chart for my mother Mary Ann M. Cook 1936. The DUTTON line is proven correct, and accepted. Most of temple ord. have been performed." Someone also continued these trees in pencil onto the back of the pages. The next set of 10 pages is titled "The Duttons of New England" and appears to be a compilation of a larger tree. It begins with John Dutton came in 1630 but I (James Savage) know not where he sat down.......Thomas Dutton of Weburn, Mass. Perhaps a son of John, was born about 1620 in England; d Jan 22, 1667 aged 47 [it continues about this date being mistaken based on other info] ..and lists the following children: Thomas,Mary, Sussanna, John, Elizabeth, Joseph, Sarah, James, Benjamin". It continues on page 8-10 with the family of Bruce Allen Dutton and I believe Margaret Herron Dutton b April 13, 1882 d. June 17, 1945 and there are entries of births up to 1975. The last page discusses an Orson Henry [Dutton?] divorcing Beth and marrying Opal Smith, then divorces her and marries Vivian Aubrey Kirk. He gets divorced and marries Josephine (unknown) in Canada and had a daughter named Montana Josephine[Dutton]. The next set of three pages is titled "The Dutton branch of the Austin Family as compiled by Cort E. Dutton", June 25, 1939. This is a narrative and enters the Dutton line with Bettie Austin marrying Grove Henry Dutton of Volney, New York. There were eight children: Ralph 12/19/1880, Bruce 4/13/1882, Bessie 11/25/1884, Orson 7/5/1886, Grove Henry Jr. 4/25/1889, Cort Edgarton 12/5/1890, Ruth Sophia 12/7/1892 and Anna Pauline 7/26/1895. Much of this is a discussion of these children and their relocations, often in Montana. My husbands ggrandfather was Leonard DeLos or DeLos Leonard Dutton born bef 1875, grandfather Allan Phillip Dutton b 9/6/1900 in Langdon, ND d. 3/18/1994 in Gold Creek, MT; mother Kathleen Fern Dutton b 1/22/1928 in Hughenden, Alberta, Canada d.5/8/1986 in Missoula, Missoula, MT m Herbert Maier 2/14/1923. I would appreciate any leads/help on these and would be willing to send copies out for cost of copying and postage to anyone interested in any or all of the above. Thanks, Becky Maier

I think that I have it fixed so that GeoCities won't pop up that second browser window. In doing so I changed the names of the files. You can now gain access off of The Homesite directly at this address and clicking the link next to the spinning "NEW" graphic. http://www.web-ster.com/miked/archive.htm#DUTTON Mike Dunton <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ The Dunton Family Homesite P.O. Box 767 -- Molalla, Oregon 97038 http://www.web-ster.com/miked list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~

Thanks for the offer. From your reply to Colin, a number of us already have a copy of that chart. You mentioned you are descended from the Pennsylvania Duttons. Could you tell us how? I'm also descended from them, more recently of Ohio. If you would like to see my line and an ever increasing amount of Dutton info, you can visit my web pages: http://www.netcom.com/~curtrowe. Curt Rowe > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Dutton [mailto:duttonga@d25.k12.id.us] > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 10:45 PM > To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Chart of Dutton Geneology > > > Dear Family Readers, > > My name is Gail Howard Dutton and I live in Pocatello, Idaho in > the western > United States. I decend from the Pennsylvania line of Duttons. > > Several years ago, I was living in Salt Lake City, Utah when I received a > call from a woman who had been doing geneology on the Dutton line. She > said she had some info which she wondered if it would be of > interest to me. > I went to her house and produced a chart of Dutton geneology > which started > about 700 AD with scandinavian ancestory. It continues into > France then to > England. The chart records the history of the Duttons as they > developed in > England. The last entries are of people in the 1950s living in England. > This chart is about two feet by three foot. I would be happy to share > copies with anyone interested in covering the cost of copying and mailing. > I guess that it would cost about three to five dollars to copy then > whatever the postal charge is to get it to you. Let me know if you are > interested and we can make arrangements. > > Gail H. Dutton > >