WEll, finally a cuzzin on the Dutton list!!! I have all you will ever want to know about our lines of Duttons, write me personally and I will arrange to get you the information.� Sue Dutton Rodgers

Seeking information on Melissa Chilacy Dutton daughter of Mose P. Dutton. Married Thomas Williams in Washington County Arkansas August 26, 1877. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Laverne

STILL seeking information on Henry Dutton that married M. Fraser. Their son died in Walker County AL in 1927 but he was only a resident of that county for 7 years. His death certificate indicates that Henry Dutton and M. Fraser were both born in GA but this could be an error. Open to Suggestions.?!?!?! Jennifer

Michael L. Dunton wrote: > > Lynne, > > I do not have this information in the main database. I am forwarding it to > the list in hopes that someone there will have the information that you are > looking for. > > Mike Dunton > > <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ > The Dunton Family Homesite > P.O. Box 767 -- Molalla, Oregon 97038 > http://www.web-ster.com/miked > list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com > <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Atkinson's [mailto:blj@execulink.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 06, 1998 5:33 AM > To: miked@web-ster.com > Subject: Dutton > > Mike > We have a Peter Dutton who married Sybil in the early 1800's. They had > children - Joseph, Sybil, Thomas, Peter, William, Margery, Alice and > Elizabeth Dutton. Joseph was born about 1830. > > Any connection? > Lynne Atkinson > Woodtock, Ontario Canada Sorry - I don't have anything like this in my records. Dick Dutton

In a lighter vein, I found this at Penn State University's ftp genealogy site Enjoy Dick Dutton ======================================================================= <ftp://ftp.cac.psu.edu/genealogy/roots-l/genealog/> >> From ef.gc.maricopa.edu!19961 Wed Feb 16 15:56:01 1994 >> From: "Mariam Cheshire" <19961@ef.gc.maricopa.edu> >> Subject: LAWS OF GENEALOGY LAWS OF GENEALOGY The document containing evidence of the missing link in your research invariably will be lost due to fire, flood, or war. The keeper of the vital records you need will just have been insulted by another genealogist. Your great, great, grandfather's obituary states the he died, leaving no issue of record. The town clerk you wrote to in desperation, and finally convinced to give you the information you need, can't write legibly and doesn't have a copying machine. The will you need is in the safe on board the "Titanic." The spelling of your European ancestor's name bears no relationship to its current spelling or pronunciation. That ancient photograph of four relatives, one of whom is your progenitor, carries the names of the other three. Copies of old newspapers have holes which occur only on last names. No one in your family tree ever did anything noteworthy, always rented property, was not sued, and was never named in wills. You learned that great aunt Matilda's executor just sold her life's collection of family genealogical materials to a flea market dealer "somewhere in New York City." Yours is the ONLY last name not found among the 3 billion in the world-famous Mormon archives in Salt Lake City. Ink fades and paper deteriorates at a rate inversely proportional to the value of the data recorded. The 37-volume, sixteen-thousand-page history of your country of origin ISN'T INDEXED. The critical link in your family tree is named "Smith." Copyright 1983 Gibbs Publishing Co., P.O. Box 112, Napoleon, OH 43545

Michael L. Dunton wrote: > > Hello All, > > Hope you are keeping cool! Here is a intresting web site I found. > > Lib of Congress Expermental Search > http://lcweb2.loc.gov/resdev/ess/ > > Is everyone off for the summer? Sure has been quiet. How about hearing > from all of the new members that have recently joined? Who are you looking > for and how can we help? > > Mike Dunton > <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ > The Dunton Family Homesite > http://www.web-ster.com/miked > list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com > <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ Hi Mike, I'm sending this message to you both ways - direct and via the list because I suspect there has been a problem of your not getting the trafic that has been been posted to the DUTTON List lately. There has been a considerable amount of traffic posted there, most of which has been fairly significant. If you don't get two copies of this message, particularly the one forwarded from the List you need to resubscribe. Dick

Hello All, Hope you are keeping cool! Here is a intresting web site I found. Lib of Congress Expermental Search http://lcweb2.loc.gov/resdev/ess/ Is everyone off for the summer? Sure has been quiet. How about hearing from all of the new members that have recently joined? Who are you looking for and how can we help? Mike Dunton <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ The Dunton Family Homesite http://www.web-ster.com/miked list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~

Hi Doug et all, I'll answer your questions below in detail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Doug Hall wrote: ------------------------------Snip--------------------------------------- > Now Dick Dutton reports having obtained a good professional photocopy of the > same chart while in London. That's also great news for us all. Dick found > his version at the Genealogists Society while in London. I suspect that > Dick's copy is basically the same as the one that Gail has, though his may > be a cleaner photocopy given the advances in that kind of equipment in > recent years. I don't have a copy of Gail's but from all indications it sounds as if it is either identical or her's was a photocopy of mine (the supposed original) before a few more additions were made to the bottom right hand side. --------------------------------Snip--------------------------------------- > I don't yet have Dick's copy but I do have a couple of comments after having > made a comparison between the one I have and the one Gail has. Does this mean you want a copy of mine? ---------------------------------Snip------------------------------------- > 1. Gail's copy has some additional names added at the bottom of the chart in > a different hand. They were evidently added later than the time when my > transcribed copy was made. My guess is that these were added not on the > original but on a copy that later became origin of Gail's copy. Thus, I > would guess that these names may not appear on the version that Dick Dutton > now has. (Dick - at the very bottom on the left hand side, do the the names > Catherine Annie and Victoria Margaret along with other information in an > obviously different handwriting? Yes, mine has all of the above. -------------------------------Snip---------------------------------------- > > 2. Gail's copy has some information that does not appear on my chart but > which does appear to be in the hand-writing of the > genealogist/author/artist. For example, on the bottom righthand side the > name Thomas Murthwaight Murray Dutton is listed on both versions. On my > version it simply says about his death "d. 1964". On Gail's copy it says "d. > 1964, Dec. 30, bur. at Thornton-le-Moor". > This additional information appears to be in the same handwriting as the > rest of the chart, but it is squeezed in using smaller characters. My > conclusion is that the author of this chart, probably P.H. Lawson himself, > had completed it sometime around 1964. Then the three transcribers made a > copy that was later photographed and became the origin of my copy. > Meanwhile Lawson continued to add a few things in 1965 and maybe a few years > after that. Then, a photocopy was made which became the origin of Gail's > version. Maybe Lawson continued to work on it after that. If so, Dick > Dutton's copy would reveal some additional information about the individuals > still living in the 1960s. Mine has all of the above plus two more generations of descendents of Thomas Murthwaight Murry Dutton done in the original hand-writing. ---------------------------------Snip------------------------------------ > 4. Because Dick's copy was found at the Genealogists Society in London we > may be able to track down information about the compiler, P. H. Lawson. If > he was a practicing professional genealogist, his files might also be > avialable at the Genealogists Society or they might have some record of > where they are. This is important. We have only this chart to connect John > Dutton the PA immigrant back into the family in Cheshire. We have no > original source for this particularly critical piece of information. > Lawson's material might provide an answer as to where/how he made this link. > While some sources are listed at the bottom of the chart, from my knowledge, > I can't identify one that covers this time period, so it may come from > "wills, marriage licenses,....private information" that ought to be tracked > down. Maybe Lawson is even alive and could provide the sources for at least > this one individual in the tree - or maybe he wrote a Dutton genealogy to go > along with the chart that is hiding in someone's library somewhere. Dick, > did you check on who Lawson might be at the Genealogists Society? No, I just ran out of time (I had a social engagement that last evening in London) getting the copy of the original chart which had to be taken by a volunteer and me to a commercial printer (which almost made me late for the engagement). There were a bunch of things which I either did not have time to finish or follow-up on - it was frustrating but I was happy that I got what I did. More info in later messages on some of the other things I found. If anyone plans to go there you need to dedicate about a week. They are, by the way, most knowledgeable (particularly the elderly lady in the basement who turned out to be a distant [very] cousin) and helpful. They also have a wealth of resource data. There is an hourly fee for doing research there - not much and they do accept credit cards. If anyone wishes to contact them or even better visit them their address is: Genealogists Society #14 Charterhouse Building Goswell Road City of London Phone 0171-251-8799 It is at the very end of a short alley. Possibly of interest to some, my wife & I met and had "traditional tea" with my 22nd cousin - John D. Wedgewood Pound whose DUTTON web page can be found at: http://www.Geocities.com/Heartland/3203/Dutton.html Let me tell you - traditional tea consists of a lot of food. The three of us made pigs of ourselves and left food on the table. That wiped out dinner for Jean and me. I will get John Pound to join our List. That's it for now. If anyone has questions feel free to ask. If you want a copy of the chart ask now while you can get the $10 copy. Individual copies later will cost $15 and cause me extra trips to the printer and mail center. Dick Dutton =========================================================================== Richard A. Dutton 325 Beal Parkway Ft. Walton Beach, FL 32548-3956 rad@emcst.com Phone: 850-862-3327 FAX: 850-864-1444 Researching my family tree! Trunk: DUTTON Major branches: ALLEN, BARTLETT, CUTLER, DOGGETT, DUNTEN, DUNTON, JENSON, LAKE, METCALF, PARTRIDGE, REYNOLDS, RICHARDS, SAWYER, SMITH, TRACY, TURNER. Minor branches: ADAMS, ALDEN, BALL, BLACK, BLANCHARD, BREWSTER, BRIMHALL, CARY, COLBURN, HATCH, HOPKINS, HYDE, KIDDER, PERKINS, WARNER, WILLIAMS. Smaller Limbs: ALGER, ANDERSON, CLARK, DAVIS, FRENCH, FULLER, HALL, HARRIS, JOHNSON, KNAPP, McMILLAN, MERRICK, MILLER, MOORE, NELSON PARKER, TUTTLE - And many more.

Hello All, I received the copy of the Dutton Chart that Gail Dutton offered to send to those interested. It is quite a chart. Gail did a great job getting it copies onto a large single sheet of paper of considerable size. Thanks for helping us all, Gail. Many of you have received the copy of the Dutton Chart that I offered a couple of months ago. I can report that Gail's chart appears to be a direct image copy of the original P. H. Lawson chart. The chart I provided was a blow-up of a small black-and-white photograph of a hand-written copy of the Lawson chart. Gail's copy is in quite distinctive handwriting that is easy to read. The version I had was probably transcribed by students at the school in the old Dutton Hall where the original chart resided at least into the early 1970s. Gail's chart is probably the better one to work from. If you haven't asked for one, I suggest you do so. Now Dick Dutton reports having obtained a good professional photocopy of the same chart while in London. That's also great news for us all. Dick found his version at the Genealogists Society while in London. I suspect that Dick's copy is basically the same as the one that Gail has, though his may be a cleaner photocopy given the advances in that kind of equipment in recent years. I don't yet have Dick's copy but I do have a couple of comments after having made a comparison between the one I have and the one Gail has. 1. Gail's copy has some additional names added at the bottom of the chart in a different hand. They were evidently added later than the time when my transcribed copy was made. My guess is that these were added not on the original but on a copy that later became origin of Gail's copy. Thus, I would guess that these names may not appear on the version that Dick Dutton now has. (Dick - at the very bottom on the left hand side, do the the names Catherine Annie and Victoria Margaret along with other information in an obviously different handwriting?) 2. Gail's copy has some information that does not appear on my chart but which does appear to be in the hand-writing of the genealogist/author/artist. For example, on the bottom righthand side the name Thomas Murthwaight Murray Dutton is listed on both versions. On my version it simply says about his death "d. 1964". On Gail's copy it says "d. 1964, Dec. 30, bur. at Thornton-le-Moor". This additional information appears to be in the same handwriting as the rest of the chart, but it is squeezed in using smaller characters. My conclusion is that the author of this chart, probably P.H. Lawson himself, had completed it sometime around 1964. Then the three transcribers made a copy that was later photographed and became the origin of my copy. Meanwhile Lawson continued to add a few things in 1965 and maybe a few years after that. Then, a photocopy was made which became the origin of Gail's version. Maybe Lawson continued to work on it after that. If so, Dick Dutton's copy would reveal some additional information about the individuals still living in the 1960s. 3. The transcribing by three students could have introduced errors (a digit in a year, confused names). Though I have no proof of this and I don't plan to try to verify everything, I suggest that everyone use Gail's copy (or Dick's as we learn more about his) as the basis for further work. 4. Because Dick's copy was found at the Genealogists Society in London we may be able to track down information about the compiler, P. H. Lawson. If he was a practicing professional genealogist, his files might also be avialable at the Genealogists Society or they might have some record of where they are. This is important. We have only this chart to connect John Dutton the PA immigrant back into the family in Cheshire. We have no original source for this particularly critical piece of information. Lawson's material might provide an answer as to where/how he made this link. While some sources are listed at the bottom of the chart, from my knowledge, I can't identify one that covers this time period, so it may come from "wills, marriage licenses,....private information" that ought to be tracked down. Maybe Lawson is even alive and could provide the sources for at least this one individual in the tree - or maybe he wrote a Dutton genealogy to go along with the chart that is hiding in someone's library somewhere. Dick, did you check on who Lawson might be at the Genealogists Society? Doug Hall

Hi to all you guys & gals on the DUTTON List. I just returned from a trip to Germany to see the kids & grandkids and spent 5 days in London with old friends on the way back. The time was pretty well occupied but I did get an afternoon free on the last day before leaving to visit the Genealogists Society. I found several interesting things there but this message will concentrate on the DUTTON of DUTTONs chart that Doug Hall found and has been gracious enough to send copies to all that requested one - me included. Doug's copy is just that - a hand reproduced copy, but by no means exact duplicate, of the original. I found the original! It is 28 3/16 inches wide X 38 1/4 inches high and I was able to get a full size high quality professional photo copy. The information on the chart is, of coarse, the same as on Doug's but the hand that scribed the original was, apparently, steadier and definitely neater and the printing much larger, making the data much easier to read. And unfortunately Doug's copy came in the form of five sections that needed to be cut and fitted together. Never-the-less, I must admit that I was delighted to get it. I have checked this morning and I can get full size photocopies at a very reasonable price if I get 5 or more copies at a time. Single copies are more than twice as much each. With a 30 inch mailing tube and postage I can about break even at $10 for the 5 at a time copies and will be happy to send one to all that request one for that price if you get in on the batch copies. If someone comes along later it will be $15 to cover costs. Be sure to include your snailmail address. I will wait awhile to gather all the requests so they can all be copied for the cheaper rate. More later on other subjects. Dick Dutton Richard A. Dutton 325 Beal Parkway Ft. Walton Beach, FL 32548-3956 rad@emcst.com Phone: 850-862-3327 FAX: 850-864-1444 Researching my family tree! Trunk: DUTTON Major branches: ALLEN, BARTLETT, CUTLER, DOGGETT, DUNTEN, DUNTON, JENSON, LAKE, METCALF, PARTRIDGE, REYNOLDS, RICHARDS, SAWYER, SMITH, TRACY, TURNER. Minor branches: ADAMS, ALDEN, BALL, BLACK, BLANCHARD, BREWSTER, BRIMHALL, CARY, COLBURN, HATCH, HOPKINS, HYDE, KIDDER, PERKINS, WARNER, WILLIAMS. Smaller Limbs: ALGER, ANDERSON, CLARK, DAVIS, FRENCH, FULLER, HALL, HARRIS, JOHNSON, KNAPP, McMILLAN, MERRICK, MILLER, MOORE, NELSON PARKER, TUTTLE - And many more.

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Hi All, just to let you know that in just 12 hours time I will be on the runway at Manchester International Airport on my way to sunny (hopeful) California. I have quite a schedule to keep whilst away, flitting from place to place and always ensuring that everyone is satisfied, I guess most of you can guess that having two sons aged 14 and 15 that they will be looking for high adventure. I will be staying in Anaheim at the Ramada Disneyland, 1331 East Katella Avenue for the first four nights then on to San Diego to the Handlery, 950 Hotel Circle North should Gail Dutton's brother (can't find his name) care to look us up as he lives in south L.A.. After visiting Las Vegas, Death Valley, and Bass Lake, Yosemite I am off to Monterey to stay at the Quality Inn Resort, 1058 Munras Avenue from 29th July - 2nd Aug, where I am going to meet up with John Dutton of Sacramento who is camping at Monterey for 'Scottish Weekend'. Wow, I definately get to meet a long lost cousin!!! Boy, am I looking forward to that!!! Is there any other Duttons out there that can also make the meet? On to Sacramento and then rounding off at San Francisco to meet up with an old Scouting friend who once trod the boards of the Manchester Palace Theatre with me (in front of a 2,000 audience) way back in the early 70's and we hadn't met up with each other since 1974. I called him last week and we had a real good chat and can't wait to get together again. Well, I'm not going to unsubscribe as I don't want to miss a single thing that happens while I'm away. Regards to you all, I hope that those who asked for the IGI file got it, if you didn't, you'll have to wait until I get back. I have got the latest photo's but haven't got time to get them scanned before I go, John will see them in Monterey though. See you all in three weeks. God Bless Colin

Dear Joseph (and list), Your questions are completely valid and really the ones that all of us have. Regarding where to start, I believe that any seasoned genealogist will tell you that you start with YOU and work back. Do not just write down, as fact, what people tell you. Take them as leads and follow up with acquiring the documentation. That goes for the information that you see posted on web sites, the one that I manage included. Unless every information point has supporting documentation, it is nothing more than a lead or lore. Regarding the lineage back to Odard and the Norman ancestry previous, it will probably never be documented to standards that would assure 100% certainty. For instance, my ancestry is pretty soundly documented back to about 1635. Previous to that it is based on circumstance and probablity. Sometimes, that is the best that we can hope for. In reality, we are pretty lucky to have such a long line. Many, many people I know can't get back before their Great grandparents. Take care. Mike Dunton <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ The Dunton Family Homesite P.O. Box 767 -- Molalla, Oregon 97038 http://www.web-ster.com/miked list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~

Dear Susan, The sources for the information listed on the web site are pretty much the same as probably all of the others that you have found on the web. As I state on the web site, the accuracy of the information, in my line, is good back to Samuel(l) Dunton. From there back it is not well documented and should be viewed as a "theory" or a "lead to follow up on". For that matter, any published genealogy, or information that you find on the Internet, should be treated in this same manner. Unless they state references, that you can follow up on and verify, the information should be treated in this manner. The first time I saw the theory stated that John Dutton was the father of my Samuell Dunton was on http://genealogy.org/~czech/. The source that he listed for this information was an unpublished work by a John C. Dutton. The information in this work, regarding the link to my family and to the ancient of times was based on "Memorials to the Duttons of Dutton", Savage, and Cope. John C. Dutton had a similar qualifying statement. To date, I do not believe that anyone has produced information regarding this elusive John Dutton -- his passage to the colonies (other that the "Mr. Dutton" statement in Winthrop's journal), his place of burial, property records, church records, etc. If someone has . . . I would love copies. Hope this helps. Mike Dunton -----Original Message----- From: LaCoe [mailto:lacoe@microserve.net] Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 6:11 AM To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: John Dutton of Mass. >Where did you get your information from? >The following is from Mike Dunton's Dunton Homesite >http://www.web-ster.com/~miked/html/d0003/g0000244.htm#I1938 >Mary NEELD > BIRTH: 1599, England [618] >[618] Randall Lilley lists source as Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. >John Dutton had year as 1602 >Family 1: John DUTTON > MARRIAGE: ABT 1620, England > 1.Elizabeth DUTTON > 2.Thomas DUTTON > 3.Lucy DUTTON > 4.Robert DUNTON > 5.Samuel DUNTON > 6.Josiah DUTTON

Dear Doug and others, I don't have any proof beyond what was in my first message. I have just started to do genealogy. My family has done little work on the Duttons. Abigail Webster who married John Dutton (b. 23 January 1730) was a direct descendant of Gov. William Bradford and this is the line that they researched and had proof for. I have been research on the net to find John's ancestors. I know that proof is needed and I am looking to find some. So in response to your questions, I don't have proof. See the sites below and follow their links to John Dutton of MA. I know that Fred and Mike are on this list. Where did you get your information from? Susan LaCoe -- lacoe@microserve.net Mary Neeld is found at these sites: http://genealogy.org/~czech/D0037/I3094.html Mary NEELD BIRTH: 1596, ?, ?, England REFERENCE: 158 Family 1: John DUTTON MARRIAGE: 1620, ?, ?, England 1.Samuel DUNTON 2.Thomas (a) DUTTON 3.Josiah DUTTON 4.Robert DUTTON The following is from Mike Dunton's Dunton Homesite http://www.web-ster.com/~miked/html/d0003/g0000244.htm#I1938 Mary NEELD BIRTH: 1599, England [618] [618] Randall Lilley lists source as Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. John Dutton had year as 1602 Family 1: John DUTTON MARRIAGE: ABT 1620, England 1.Elizabeth DUTTON 2.Thomas DUTTON 3.Lucy DUTTON 4.Robert DUNTON 5.Samuel DUNTON 6.Josiah DUTTON This is from Fred Dutton's page http://www.gendex.com/users/fedutton/dutton/html/d0005/g0000023.htm#I1062 Mary NEELD BIRTH: ABT 1599, England [S12] [S12] Contributed by Randall Arthur Lilley mailto:rlilley@aol.com Family 1: John DUTTON MARRIAGE: 1620, England 1.Elizabeth DUTTON 2.Thomas DUTTON 3.Lucy DUTTON 4.Robert DUTTON 5.Samuel DUNTON http://karen.tierranet.com/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi?db=Surname&id=I03882 (karen@karen.tierranet.com) Mary Neeld Sex: F Born: 1599 in England Died: in Reading, MA Family 1: John Dutton Married: 1620 in Cheshire, England 1.Elizabeth Dutton 2.Thomas Dutton 3.Lucy Dutton 4.Josiah Dutton 5.Robert Dutton 6.Samuel Dutton http://www.halcyon.com/houdini/dat2.htm#11 Neeld, Mary Birth : 1599 Sherborne, England Death : AFT. 1627 Family: Marriage: 1619 in Sherborne, England Spouse: Dutton, John Birth : 1596 Cheshire, England (Sherborne, England) Death : 4 May 1693 Reading, Massachusets Parents: Father: Dutton, Sir Ralph Mother: Duncombe, Mary Children: Dutton, Thomas

Joseph NO one is laughing and if they are who cares! what you have done is important to you, and we have learned from it. Sincerely RAY On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:14:50 -0500 Richardson <richardson-decatur-al@worldnet.att.net> writes: >List gang, > >Don't shoot! I'm a novice! > >Lately I've gotten involved in the amusing, though arduous (usually >pointless) process of sorting through family files on various public >presentations (i.e. Ancestry and WFT) trying to piece together some >sense >of a puzzling family tree of "the Old Duttons"--the ones that started >it >all. Knowing very little about history (especially Dutton history), I >was >wondering about where it all began--and I was trying to connect my >Dutton >into "the big picture". All I managed to get out was some kind of >multi-colored mish-mash ranging from about A.D. 500 to the >present--with >various branches in great detail and nothing at all on just about all >the >others. Now left with more questions than before, and fewer answers >than >ever, I thought I would come here to ask them, hoping someone a little >more >experienced with the Duttons might be able to help out. > >To begin with, I descend from the Duttons of Charles County, Maryland. >My >relatives and I have posted several times before, but we've never >managed >to get very far with them. Our emigrant ancestor is Thomas DUTTON, >born ca. >1660-70, presumably in England. He probably immigrated to Maryland in >1680, >and married Elizabeth HILL (dau. of Matthew HILL and Edith BEANE). > >1. Too many Thomases... >Looking at the various family files I've collected, it seems that just >about EVERYONE in the Duttons of England was named Thomas. I was >wondering >where in the line the name originated. Even in the families of my >Duttons, >in rural Alabama, the name Thomas is still very prevalent. It's >because of >this that I am quite certain that my Thomas Dutton hailed from >England. > >2. So he came from England... >In America, we have immigrant lists, right? That tells us when and >where a >person arrived in the New World. Basically, it tells us where they >went. >But...how do you go about tracking down where they came from? I >wouldn't >know even how to begin searching for the ancestry of Thomas Dutton of >Charles County, Maryland. In compiling the various family files that I >have, I was hoping to find that someone had already done it for me, >but no >such luck. > >3. England records >Around here, we have the census, we have tax records, birth records, >death >records, marriage records, wills, and so on. In the past two >centuries, >record-keeping has become very much more widespread and complete. But >what >about before then? I have never tried to research in the Old World >before, >and I have no idea of how to go about it. What kind of records are >available? > >4. Survival of the fittest? >Also, in examining the various files in my "collection", I have >noticed >that starting about 3 or 4 hundred years ago, everyone is descended >from >the same set of ancestors. One would at first think that the >"originators" >of the Dutton race would have spread out infinitely over the ages, and >that >it would be just as hard to find someone who was "directly" kin to you >as >it is today. But as I look deeper, I see Darwin's theory in action. >From >the first generation of "original" ancestors, each child would go and >procreate, as would each of their children, and so on--but over the >many >years, many of the lines, rather than continuing to expand, would >eventually extinct themselves, leaving only "the fittest" of the >species >and their descendants to continue procreating--such names as Hugh de >Dutton >and Muriel le Despencer come to mind. It is apparent that all of the >Duttons living today would be descended from the common "originator" >(Odard?), but is it possible that they are all also descended from >someone >several generations down the line, all the other lines having >extincted >themselves? > >5. Who is the origin? >I once saw in Burke's Armoury that the founder of the Dutton ranks in >Dutton, Cheshire, England was Odard, Lord of Dutton. Is this the >father of >the English Dutton clan? Does the surname of Dutton immediately imply >a >connection to this ancient warlord? I have often wondered if some >families >acquired the surname of Dutton simply by living in that area, i.e. Bob >of >Dutton (originally of London) over the generations becomes Bob Dutton. >Is >this possible? Or can I safely assume that my Duttons do descend from >that >lord of old, Odard, and his descendants? > >6. Can somebody help me? >Having no idea what Duttons were living, or had ever lived, in England >at >the time of Thomas Dutton of Maryland's birth, I have no idea where to >start in a quest to find his ancestors. Could anyone with some >experience >push this novice in the right direction? > >Just for the record, here is a brief summary of the hodge-podge of >records >that I managed to acquire regarding the Duttons of England. (in order >by >generation from newest to oldest) This is probably complete >nonsense--I >have started with the last name that I saw in more than one file... > >John Dutton; md. Margaret Savage >Sir Piers de Dutton; md. Elizabeth Butler >Edmund de Dutton; md. Joan Minshall >Sir Thomas de Dutton; md. Joan Thornton >Hugh de Dutton; md. Joan de Holland >Hugh de Dutton; md. Muriel Le Despencer >Hugh de Dutton; md. Isabell de Massey >Hugh de Dutton; md. Alice Prescott >Hugh Fitzodard; md. Alice Pichard >Odard, Lord of Dutton; md. Alice >Ivo, Viscount of Cotentin; md. Emme, Countess of Bretange >Niel de St. Saveur II, Viscount of Cotentin >Roger de St. Saveur, Viscount of Cotentin >Niel de St. Saveur I, Viscount of Cotentin >Richard de St. Saveur, Viscount of Cotentin >Mahahulc (Halduc de Tresley) >Eistein, Earl of More; md. Aseda of Jutland >Ivar, Jarl of Uplanders; md. ??? of Throndheim >Halfdane the Old >King Sveide (Norse King); md. Alfhild Gandolfsdottier >Randver > >Here, I start having visions of Beowulf--quite an interesting history. >Is >everybody laughing at me? Hey, don't ask how I've come to this >conclusion; >I really don't know. I just kept cutting and pasting and exporting and >importing. This is the final product of several hours worth of wasted >time. >Okay, okay, I'll be quiet... > >:) > >Thanks for noticing me, >Joseph T. Richardson > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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Don't know if it is the right one, but there is a place called BurntIsland on the coast of Fife on the Firth of Forth almost opposite Ediburgh. Ann

Dutton Clan, I sent the chart "The Duttons of Dutton Co. Chester" to the following people on Monday, July 13th. Sheryl Banks Anthony L. Dutton Doug E. Hall I hope that you enjoy it and find it useful. I am new to this geneology thing and have noticed that many of you folks seem to be very good at it. Perhaps upon examining the chart you can give me feedback as to its short comings and its strengths based on genelogical standards or any other measure you use. If there are others that are interested in receiving a copy, let me know. Gail H. Dutton

Many of the Dutton lines you see on the web and elsewhere, including mine, are based on a book by Gilbert Cope, "Genealogy of the Duttons of Pennsylvania" which contains an excerpt from Peter Leycester's "Leycester's Historical Antiquities" Peter was married to a daughter of Muriel Dutton, the last of the Dutton line that were lords of Dutton and was also descended from the Duttons himself. Gilbert felt that Leycester's work was pretty accurate. If you would like to see a copy of it, go to my web site: http://www.netcom.com/~curtrowe. Then go to the Dutton page and you'll find the link near the top. There is also a chart in the possession of Doug Hall that lists Leycester's work and others. Good Luck in your search Curt Rowe > -----Original Message----- > From: Richardson [mailto:richardson-decatur-al@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 1998 8:15 PM > To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTTON-L] The Old Duttons, and the Meaning of Life > > > List gang, > > Don't shoot! I'm a novice! > > Lately I've gotten involved in the amusing, though arduous (usually > pointless) process of sorting through family files on various public > presentations (i.e. Ancestry and WFT) trying to piece together some sense > of a puzzling family tree of "the Old Duttons"--the ones that started it > all. Knowing very little about history (especially Dutton history), I was > wondering about where it all began--and I was trying to connect my Dutton > into "the big picture". All I managed to get out was some kind of > multi-colored mish-mash ranging from about A.D. 500 to the present--with > various branches in great detail and nothing at all on just about all the > others. Now left with more questions than before, and fewer answers than > ever, I thought I would come here to ask them, hoping someone a > little more > experienced with the Duttons might be able to help out. > > To begin with, I descend from the Duttons of Charles County, Maryland. My > relatives and I have posted several times before, but we've never managed > to get very far with them. Our emigrant ancestor is Thomas > DUTTON, born ca. > 1660-70, presumably in England. He probably immigrated to > Maryland in 1680, > and married Elizabeth HILL (dau. of Matthew HILL and Edith BEANE). > > 1. Too many Thomases... > Looking at the various family files I've collected, it seems that just > about EVERYONE in the Duttons of England was named Thomas. I was wondering > where in the line the name originated. Even in the families of my Duttons, > in rural Alabama, the name Thomas is still very prevalent. It's because of > this that I am quite certain that my Thomas Dutton hailed from England. > > 2. So he came from England... > In America, we have immigrant lists, right? That tells us when and where a > person arrived in the New World. Basically, it tells us where they went. > But...how do you go about tracking down where they came from? I wouldn't > know even how to begin searching for the ancestry of Thomas Dutton of > Charles County, Maryland. In compiling the various family files that I > have, I was hoping to find that someone had already done it for me, but no > such luck. > > 3. England records > Around here, we have the census, we have tax records, birth records, death > records, marriage records, wills, and so on. In the past two centuries, > record-keeping has become very much more widespread and complete. But what > about before then? I have never tried to research in the Old World before, > and I have no idea of how to go about it. What kind of records > are available? > > 4. Survival of the fittest? > Also, in examining the various files in my "collection", I have noticed > that starting about 3 or 4 hundred years ago, everyone is descended from > the same set of ancestors. One would at first think that the "originators" > of the Dutton race would have spread out infinitely over the > ages, and that > it would be just as hard to find someone who was "directly" kin to you as > it is today. But as I look deeper, I see Darwin's theory in action. From > the first generation of "original" ancestors, each child would go and > procreate, as would each of their children, and so on--but over the many > years, many of the lines, rather than continuing to expand, would > eventually extinct themselves, leaving only "the fittest" of the species > and their descendants to continue procreating--such names as Hugh > de Dutton > and Muriel le Despencer come to mind. It is apparent that all of the > Duttons living today would be descended from the common "originator" > (Odard?), but is it possible that they are all also descended from someone > several generations down the line, all the other lines having extincted > themselves? > > 5. Who is the origin? > I once saw in Burke's Armoury that the founder of the Dutton ranks in > Dutton, Cheshire, England was Odard, Lord of Dutton. Is this the father of > the English Dutton clan? Does the surname of Dutton immediately imply a > connection to this ancient warlord? I have often wondered if some families > acquired the surname of Dutton simply by living in that area, i.e. Bob of > Dutton (originally of London) over the generations becomes Bob Dutton. Is > this possible? Or can I safely assume that my Duttons do descend from that > lord of old, Odard, and his descendants? > > 6. Can somebody help me? > Having no idea what Duttons were living, or had ever lived, in England at > the time of Thomas Dutton of Maryland's birth, I have no idea where to > start in a quest to find his ancestors. Could anyone with some experience > push this novice in the right direction? > > Just for the record, here is a brief summary of the hodge-podge of records > that I managed to acquire regarding the Duttons of England. (in order by > generation from newest to oldest) This is probably complete nonsense--I > have started with the last name that I saw in more than one file... > > John Dutton; md. Margaret Savage > Sir Piers de Dutton; md. Elizabeth Butler > Edmund de Dutton; md. Joan Minshall > Sir Thomas de Dutton; md. Joan Thornton > Hugh de Dutton; md. Joan de Holland > Hugh de Dutton; md. Muriel Le Despencer > Hugh de Dutton; md. Isabell de Massey > Hugh de Dutton; md. Alice Prescott > Hugh Fitzodard; md. Alice Pichard > Odard, Lord of Dutton; md. Alice > Ivo, Viscount of Cotentin; md. Emme, Countess of Bretange > Niel de St. Saveur II, Viscount of Cotentin > Roger de St. Saveur, Viscount of Cotentin > Niel de St. Saveur I, Viscount of Cotentin > Richard de St. Saveur, Viscount of Cotentin > Mahahulc (Halduc de Tresley) > Eistein, Earl of More; md. Aseda of Jutland > Ivar, Jarl of Uplanders; md. ??? of Throndheim > Halfdane the Old > King Sveide (Norse King); md. Alfhild Gandolfsdottier > Randver > > Here, I start having visions of Beowulf--quite an interesting history. Is > everybody laughing at me? Hey, don't ask how I've come to this conclusion; > I really don't know. I just kept cutting and pasting and exporting and > importing. This is the final product of several hours worth of > wasted time. > Okay, okay, I'll be quiet... > > :) > > Thanks for noticing me, > Joseph T. Richardson > >

List gang, Don't shoot! I'm a novice! Lately I've gotten involved in the amusing, though arduous (usually pointless) process of sorting through family files on various public presentations (i.e. Ancestry and WFT) trying to piece together some sense of a puzzling family tree of "the Old Duttons"--the ones that started it all. Knowing very little about history (especially Dutton history), I was wondering about where it all began--and I was trying to connect my Dutton into "the big picture". All I managed to get out was some kind of multi-colored mish-mash ranging from about A.D. 500 to the present--with various branches in great detail and nothing at all on just about all the others. Now left with more questions than before, and fewer answers than ever, I thought I would come here to ask them, hoping someone a little more experienced with the Duttons might be able to help out. To begin with, I descend from the Duttons of Charles County, Maryland. My relatives and I have posted several times before, but we've never managed to get very far with them. Our emigrant ancestor is Thomas DUTTON, born ca. 1660-70, presumably in England. He probably immigrated to Maryland in 1680, and married Elizabeth HILL (dau. of Matthew HILL and Edith BEANE). 1. Too many Thomases... Looking at the various family files I've collected, it seems that just about EVERYONE in the Duttons of England was named Thomas. I was wondering where in the line the name originated. Even in the families of my Duttons, in rural Alabama, the name Thomas is still very prevalent. It's because of this that I am quite certain that my Thomas Dutton hailed from England. 2. So he came from England... In America, we have immigrant lists, right? That tells us when and where a person arrived in the New World. Basically, it tells us where they went. But...how do you go about tracking down where they came from? I wouldn't know even how to begin searching for the ancestry of Thomas Dutton of Charles County, Maryland. In compiling the various family files that I have, I was hoping to find that someone had already done it for me, but no such luck. 3. England records Around here, we have the census, we have tax records, birth records, death records, marriage records, wills, and so on. In the past two centuries, record-keeping has become very much more widespread and complete. But what about before then? I have never tried to research in the Old World before, and I have no idea of how to go about it. What kind of records are available? 4. Survival of the fittest? Also, in examining the various files in my "collection", I have noticed that starting about 3 or 4 hundred years ago, everyone is descended from the same set of ancestors. One would at first think that the "originators" of the Dutton race would have spread out infinitely over the ages, and that it would be just as hard to find someone who was "directly" kin to you as it is today. But as I look deeper, I see Darwin's theory in action. From the first generation of "original" ancestors, each child would go and procreate, as would each of their children, and so on--but over the many years, many of the lines, rather than continuing to expand, would eventually extinct themselves, leaving only "the fittest" of the species and their descendants to continue procreating--such names as Hugh de Dutton and Muriel le Despencer come to mind. It is apparent that all of the Duttons living today would be descended from the common "originator" (Odard?), but is it possible that they are all also descended from someone several generations down the line, all the other lines having extincted themselves? 5. Who is the origin? I once saw in Burke's Armoury that the founder of the Dutton ranks in Dutton, Cheshire, England was Odard, Lord of Dutton. Is this the father of the English Dutton clan? Does the surname of Dutton immediately imply a connection to this ancient warlord? I have often wondered if some families acquired the surname of Dutton simply by living in that area, i.e. Bob of Dutton (originally of London) over the generations becomes Bob Dutton. Is this possible? Or can I safely assume that my Duttons do descend from that lord of old, Odard, and his descendants? 6. Can somebody help me? Having no idea what Duttons were living, or had ever lived, in England at the time of Thomas Dutton of Maryland's birth, I have no idea where to start in a quest to find his ancestors. Could anyone with some experience push this novice in the right direction? Just for the record, here is a brief summary of the hodge-podge of records that I managed to acquire regarding the Duttons of England. (in order by generation from newest to oldest) This is probably complete nonsense--I have started with the last name that I saw in more than one file... John Dutton; md. Margaret Savage Sir Piers de Dutton; md. Elizabeth Butler Edmund de Dutton; md. Joan Minshall Sir Thomas de Dutton; md. Joan Thornton Hugh de Dutton; md. Joan de Holland Hugh de Dutton; md. Muriel Le Despencer Hugh de Dutton; md. Isabell de Massey Hugh de Dutton; md. Alice Prescott Hugh Fitzodard; md. Alice Pichard Odard, Lord of Dutton; md. Alice Ivo, Viscount of Cotentin; md. Emme, Countess of Bretange Niel de St. Saveur II, Viscount of Cotentin Roger de St. Saveur, Viscount of Cotentin Niel de St. Saveur I, Viscount of Cotentin Richard de St. Saveur, Viscount of Cotentin Mahahulc (Halduc de Tresley) Eistein, Earl of More; md. Aseda of Jutland Ivar, Jarl of Uplanders; md. ??? of Throndheim Halfdane the Old King Sveide (Norse King); md. Alfhild Gandolfsdottier Randver Here, I start having visions of Beowulf--quite an interesting history. Is everybody laughing at me? Hey, don't ask how I've come to this conclusion; I really don't know. I just kept cutting and pasting and exporting and importing. This is the final product of several hours worth of wasted time. Okay, okay, I'll be quiet... :) Thanks for noticing me, Joseph T. Richardson