My father gave me a copy of Henry Howe's book. Howe, Henry, LL.D., "Historical Collections of Ohio, In Two Volumes, An Encyclopedia of the State," Published by the State of Ohio, The Lansing Printing Company, Norwalk, Ohio, 1896. Caldwell is in Southeast Ohio in Noble County about halfway between Parkersburg and Wheeling, W. VA. "CALDWELL is in the early noted Macksburg oil and gas field. For the following valuable historical article upon it we are indebted to Captain I. C. Phillips, of Caldwell:... 'First Well Drilled for Oil.--To James Dutton, however, belongs the distinction of being the first man to strike oil in the new field, who was actually looking for it. He drilled a well about one and a half miles southeast of Macksburg, using a spring pole and kicking it down. At a depth of sixty-seven feet he struck what was undoubtedly a crevice containing the oil and water combined, but entirely without gas. From this well he pumped 100 barrels per day when at its best. Oil was worth from eight to ten dollars per barrel at that time. A season of intense excitement existed throughout the valley.'" Howe goes on to explain that oil was generally found within 300 feet of the surface and if they did not reach oil at that depth, they abandonded the well. "...the only way to get it [the oil] to market was to haul it by wagons over the wretched roads, often axle-deep in mud, to the Muskingum river...." The oil business "was brought summarily to an end by the outbreeak of the Rebellion. Drillers abandoned their derricks to rot down and enlisted in the army." After the war the speculations in oil resumed. That is all that I found re the Duttons. Carole

After going through my entire Dutton file -- page by page by page - for the third time........I finally found it early this morning!! As I vaguely remembered, I had found it on LDS film #0165997. When I first found you folks and this list....I went into a frenzy of checking out every book I could find on just about every aspect of family - locations where they lived - royal connections etc. I also checked the LDS Library Cat. and found 9 or 10 listings for the Dutton family. Not knowing much about the family yet......but determined to learn EVERYthing ..... I ordered ALL of the films listed! (We ate peanut butter that week! haha!) This particular film was a collection of family histories put together by the Daughters of the Founders and Patriots of America --- Volume 13. It was a big full reel, as I remember and I floundered around thru it.....finding NOTHING about any Duttons! Ready to give up.....I started re-winding and in so doing, figured out that it contained MANY different Volumes and many different families. So then I started over at the beginning.......and finally found volume 13......and on page 81-84 of that vol......found this very brief little story of the Duttons.......prepared by member number 4515.......... drum roll please.....DOLLIE DUTTON WATKINS !! Yes.....Dollie Dutton! Bless her little heart! She put together this little history (only 4 pages long) beginning with John of Pa and went quickly on down to her line. I see here that she was married in 1901......so I guess we can assume Dollie has gone on to her Dutton ancestors by now! (Lived in Cleveland, Ohio) ANYHOW.....I copy very brief excerpts here from the first page. "Accompanied by his wife and four children, John Dutton the FOUNDER of the Dutton family in America, came from near Chester England in 1682 with William Penn on board the ship "Welcome." .......married Mary Darlington, dau. of George Darlington of DARNHILL in Cheshire....... .......was the second family to settle on Chester Creek, then called Upland. There was only an Indian path to follow to the site where they built their first home of logs. They traded trinkets to the friendly Indians for corn and game and saved feathers from the wild ducks and skins from animals for bedding. .........and here it comes folks!!) Dollie writes - "In a letter to his relatives he wrote, "FOR THE SAKE OF MY RELIGION I HAVE LOST MUCH, NOT ONLY THE PREFERMENTS OF FAMILY AND POSITION, BUT MY INHERITANCE IN WHICH MUCH WAS INVOLVED.........BUT I DO NOT COMPLAIN." Isn't it great to "hear" his own words. Makes it come alive. Anyhow.....Dollie....being a good and careful D.F.P.A. member....gives a whole list of Sources. Where did she find John's letter??? Maybe the answer lies here. I copy it in it's entirety. Maybe we've seen them all...... maybe we missed something.........what say you??? The Duttons of Dutton pub 1901 London, England History of City of Chester and County Palantine Daniel King's Vale Royal revised and published in London 1882. Hanshalls History of Chester, England pub 1823 Burke's Heraldry Cope's History of Darlington Family Cope's History of Duttons of Penna. Smith's History of Delaware Co, PA p. 291-2 Young's History of Delaware Co. PA p. 80 Martin's History of Chester, PA. Further and Cope's History of Chester Co. (Vol 1 pp 371, 231, 155) Ashmead's History of Delaware Co. William's History of Washington Co. p 678 Howe's History of Ohio Vol II p. 353 Well......I'm feeling better today. It always makes me crazy when I can't find something like that. I can't believe no one else had stumbled across this one. Guess this is one of the benefits of having "many eyes" out there looking for material!! OK...busy weekend ahead.....gotta get at it. we'll talk again...... Phyllis

Hi all, I found the Gesta Normannorum Ducum translated into English. It is one of the primary sources used by David C. Douglas. A book review is listed below. Carole http://www.srl.rmit.edu.au/charles/Nordmannia/news/reviews/vanhouts.html

>From my studies I am certain that if any were properly knighted by the Crown, the Crown maintained a record of knighthoods. If Britain, the offices for the Royal Family may be contacted and the Royal Archivist will verify knighthoods. I read that this is done at no fee and is public information. Perhaps one of our English cousins might be willing to do a little research for us? Walter Dutton Phyllis Ryerse wrote: > While we're all talking about Visitations and Coats-of-arms etc........let > me throw out another question. > > From these wonderful charts that we all now have.......I see a whole long > string of "Sirs"......for several generations in a row there for awhile. > I understand that the title of "Sir" indicates that these fellows were all > knights. Real for sure Knights!! > > Now I'd like to know what kind of ceremonies took place to make them > Knights.....who took part.....where did they take place......(and did they > serve tea and crumpets afterwards to celebrate the event!!) ;-)) > > And since there were more than one of them......can I assume there was > more than one ceremony - over the generations when each one of them in turn > was knighted? And what little I know about "arms," each one would have had > his own design....similar perhaps to those of his father but with an > additional quartering or ......something to indicate a difference. I think > I have that right. So this explains the different Dutton arms we > have....they belonged to one or another of those Sir Hughs etc.?? > > We dumb Americans only have a "Hollywood idea" of how one becomes a > Knight. (Some of us even have to rely on Disney fantasy to imagine how > "knighting" ceremonies were conducted! haha!) > How far from reality do our ideas fall? > > It's so nice to have some of our U.K. cousins in this group......they're > probably hooting and hollering over this one!! > But....be kind, fellas........educate me gently on this one! ;-) > > Phyllis in Atlanta > (just saw a full color illustration of the Bayeaux Tapestry.......wow! > so I'm thinking about Knights today!)

Thanks for the maps, Colin. They make a nice addition to my family history book. Carole

Hey I didn't get any Maps

Great map site, Colin. Thanks. I would point out that the small village of Aston is immediately adjoining Dutton. While John DUTTON of PA was supposedly originally an inhabitant of Frodsham, when he emigrated to PA, the location where he settled was almost immediately given the name Aston. I suspect that he may not have been the only emigrant from the viciinity. While we do not have records of the place of origin of some of the PA settlers who were neighbors of John DUTTON, I suspect that more than John were from the same area. Otherwise one would be led to believe that John DUTON had somehow been given the right to name the new location in PA. But he wasn't even the first owner of his tract. Penn had granted it to Thomas Rowland and Rowland sold it to DUTTON. I suspect that Rowland as well as John Neild (who Mary DARLINGTON married as second husband after John's death) were also from Aston. The link between Cheshire, County Palatine, in England and Chester County, PA, is strong. Chester, PA, the first English settlement in Chester County was obviously named for Chester, the county seat of Cheshire, England. And Aston was named for Aston. What other township names in the original settlement of Chester County, PA, come from Cheshire? One obvious one that does not is Chichester. What about Ridley, Darby, etc. Doug Hall -----Original Message----- From: Dutton, Colin, DUTTONCW <colin.dutton@bt.com> To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com <DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 12:16 PM Subject: Dutton Hall >Hi All, > >Just a quickie, > >I have added two URL's that will take you to O.S.maps in the UK, one is of >East Grinstead (where Dutton Hall now is), the other is of Dutton (where >Dutton Hall was). > >http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=545000&Y=135000 > >East Grinstead is in the centre of the map and Ashurstwood is just below it, >this is where the School is. > >http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=357740&Y=379300 > >Dutton is in the top right-hand corner of the centre square, the Hall was >situated just below the A533 sign. By the way, my own family history takes >me to Tiverton which is situated centre bottom of the map. > >Regards > >Colin > > >

Hi All, Just a quickie, I have added two URL's that will take you to O.S.maps in the UK, one is of East Grinstead (where Dutton Hall now is), the other is of Dutton (where Dutton Hall was). http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=545000&Y=135000 East Grinstead is in the centre of the map and Ashurstwood is just below it, this is where the School is. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=357740&Y=379300 Dutton is in the top right-hand corner of the centre square, the Hall was situated just below the A533 sign. By the way, my own family history takes me to Tiverton which is situated centre bottom of the map. Regards Colin

A copy of a short but very sad and plaintive letter written by PA. John Dutton describing what he had lost and given up by coming to America. I KNOW I had it somewhere in my files.....but can't find it ..... and now I can't even remember it's source. @#$%^%&* I have some young nephews who have suddenly become very interested in all this......and asked why he left England. I could answer that one but wanted to drive home the point by showing them his actual words in that letter! Where did I find it? CURT....is it on you web page??? Mike.....is it somewhere on your website?? Help.....this is making me crazy!! Phyllis....frazzled in Atlanta

I was told that there is a fair amount of Dutton history in the book "Cheshire and its Welsh Border" by Herbert Hughes, published in 1967 by Denis Dobson London). Does anyone have access to this book and/or know where I might be able to locate a copy? Regards, Mike Dunton <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ The Dunton Family Homesite http://www.web-ster.com/miked/ list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~

Mike & all, I agree with and endorse everything you say below with one possible exception. As I understand the Visitation, the resulting data "could" very well be the product of Legend, the vagaries of human memory, or the possibility of unintentional (or even intentional) fabrication of facts due to "Family Pride". I believe that John Wedgwood Pound even mentioned the lack of interest in details on the part of the interviewer when the obvious was - obvious. As such, the Visitation was not necessarily based on "actual source documentation". I believe it would be only logical, when there is a disagreement between the Visitation and other well known secondary sources to give the benefit of doubt to the others - realizing that they may not be 100% correct either and try to get the actual facts from primary sources if available. Dick Dutton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Dunton wrote: > > Carole, > > I would be careful not to consider any of these references as "sources". At > least in the sense that you should pick one as truth over another. I would > simply use them as a lead. These works had to have found actual source > documentation somewhere? This is what we must seek out. > > The source documents either are there, or where there. The earliest > writers, the secondary sources (like the quoted 'Visitation' pedigree) used > these source documents plus family provided information. I agree with what > John Wedgwood Pound wrote that even these secondary source pedigrees may not > be very accurate. > > Since it is also likely that the 'Visitation' documentation was some of the > "source" material that Cope and others used, accruracy is removed once > again. > > Again, consider all leads in seeking the truth, and try not to get > frustrated. It is clouded by time. > > Hope this helps. > > Mike > <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ > The Dunton Family Homesite > http://www.web-ster.com/miked > list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com > <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carole Malisiak [mailto:malisiak@midohio.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 3:40 PM > To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Heraldic Chart > > Hi! > I checked out a link that Mike had mailed us and found it extremely > interesting. It is a Heraldic Visitation of Cheshire, 1580. This > pedigree also does not agree with Cope!! and does not agree with the > Chart from Dick!! But it does say that Huddard is a cousin to W. > Conqueror. The more information that I see, the more different lines we > have. I guess you just have to pick one source and stick with it. But, > you would think that one of them has to be the right one!!! > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8555/visit.html > > Confused in Ohio. > Carole

While we're all talking about Visitations and Coats-of-arms etc........let me throw out another question. From these wonderful charts that we all now have.......I see a whole long string of "Sirs"......for several generations in a row there for awhile. I understand that the title of "Sir" indicates that these fellows were all knights. Real for sure Knights!! Now I'd like to know what kind of ceremonies took place to make them Knights.....who took part.....where did they take place......(and did they serve tea and crumpets afterwards to celebrate the event!!) ;-)) And since there were more than one of them......can I assume there was more than one ceremony - over the generations when each one of them in turn was knighted? And what little I know about "arms," each one would have had his own design....similar perhaps to those of his father but with an additional quartering or ......something to indicate a difference. I think I have that right. So this explains the different Dutton arms we have....they belonged to one or another of those Sir Hughs etc.?? We dumb Americans only have a "Hollywood idea" of how one becomes a Knight. (Some of us even have to rely on Disney fantasy to imagine how "knighting" ceremonies were conducted! haha!) How far from reality do our ideas fall? It's so nice to have some of our U.K. cousins in this group......they're probably hooting and hollering over this one!! But....be kind, fellas........educate me gently on this one! ;-) Phyllis in Atlanta (just saw a full color illustration of the Bayeaux Tapestry.......wow! so I'm thinking about Knights today!)

Thanks John, The information you gave below is quite helpful as many of us have never heard of a Heraldic Visitation until recently and your explanation puts it into perspective. It also leads me to believe that where there is a disagreement between the Visitation and Leycester's Antiquities or Ormerod that the latter two are probably more reliable. Would you agree? Dick Dutton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wwpcs@aol.com wrote: > > Hello Confused in Ohio and the list in general > > Herald Visitation Pedigrees can be very useful, but the Dutton one for 1580 I > remmeber was particularly confusining. If my memory serves me right I think it > misses out a few generations. > > Duttons in the 16th century it seems were probably just as likely to get > confused, working from memory, and listening to family legend, just as we do > now! Remember that all the Visitation is for is to prove the descent of the > present head of the family from the person the College of Arms had on record > as being the chap entitled to bear arms - (who would not be Odard), or to > prove the right to various quarterings, so all else is peripheral to the main > object, "put down on the form", if you like, for matters of family pride. Also > it is sometimes the case that the Heralds taking the information did not > really care for exact info, if you are taliking to the top notch Dutton in > Cheshire, living on the family estate, his claim and right to the arms is > obvious so it does not really matter. > > All best wishes > > John Wedgwood Pound

Carole, I would be careful not to consider any of these references as "sources". At least in the sense that you should pick one as truth over another. I would simply use them as a lead. These works had to have found actual source documentation somewhere? This is what we must seek out. The source documents either are there, or where there. The earliest writers, the secondary sources (like the quoted 'Visitation' pedigree) used these source documents plus family provided information. I agree with what John Wedgwood Pound wrote that even these secondary source pedigrees may not be very accurate. Since it is also likely that the 'Visitation' documentation was some of the "source" material that Cope and others used, accruracy is removed once again. Again, consider all leads in seeking the truth, and try not to get frustrated. It is clouded by time. Hope this helps. Mike <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ The Dunton Family Homesite http://www.web-ster.com/miked list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: Carole Malisiak [mailto:malisiak@midohio.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 3:40 PM To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Heraldic Chart Hi! I checked out a link that Mike had mailed us and found it extremely interesting. It is a Heraldic Visitation of Cheshire, 1580. This pedigree also does not agree with Cope!! and does not agree with the Chart from Dick!! But it does say that Huddard is a cousin to W. Conqueror. The more information that I see, the more different lines we have. I guess you just have to pick one source and stick with it. But, you would think that one of them has to be the right one!!! http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8555/visit.html Confused in Ohio. Carole

Hi Erin, Colin here. I like your translation as I think of that great American march composer, John Philip Sousa who wrote 'Semper Fidelis' - 'Forever Faithful'. "Servabo Fidem" sure looks like Serve and Faith and so 'Serve Faithfully' looks good. By the way, I didn't get much further than 'Amo, Amas, Amat' or Pugnabo, Pugnabas, Pugnabat' - that was 35 years ago - wow!! Regards Colin. ---------- > From: Erinkwells@aol.com > To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Dutton Motto Latin Translation > Date: 26 August 1998 15:52 > > I think the motto translation is more like: "Serve Faithfully". > > Erin Peters >

Hello Confused in Ohio and the list in general Herald Visitation Pedigrees can be very useful, but the Dutton one for 1580 I remmeber was particularly confusining. If my memory serves me right I think it misses out a few generations. Duttons in the 16th century it seems were probably just as likely to get confused, working from memory, and listening to family legend, just as we do now! Remember that all the Visitation is for is to prove the descent of the present head of the family from the person the College of Arms had on record as being the chap entitled to bear arms - (who would not be Odard), or to prove the right to various quarterings, so all else is peripheral to the main object, "put down on the form", if you like, for matters of family pride. Also it is sometimes the case that the Heralds taking the information did not really care for exact info, if you are taliking to the top notch Dutton in Cheshire, living on the family estate, his claim and right to the arms is obvious so it does not really matter. All best wishes John Wedgwood Pound

Hello Confused in Ohio and the list in general Herald Visitation Pedigrees can be very useful, but the Dutton one for 1580 I remmeber was particularly confusining. If my memory serves me right I think it misses out a few generations. Duttons in the 16th century it seems were probably just as likely to get confused, working from memory, and listening to family legend, just as we do now! Remember that all the Visitation is for is to prove the descent of the present head of the family from the person the College of Arms had on record as being the chap entitled to bear arms - (who would not be Odard), or to prove the right to various quarterings, so all else is peripheral to the main object, "put down on the form", if you like, for matters of family pride. Also it is sometimes the case that the Heralds taking the information did not really care for exact info, if you are taliking to the top notch Dutton in Cheshire, living on the family estate, his claim and right to the arms is obvious so it does not really matter. All best wishes John Wedgwood Pound

Hi! I checked out a link that Mike had mailed us and found it extremely interesting. It is a Heraldic Visitation of Cheshire, 1580. This pedigree also does not agree with Cope!! and does not agree with the Chart from Dick!! But it does say that Huddard is a cousin to W. Conqueror. The more information that I see, the more different lines we have. I guess you just have to pick one source and stick with it. But, you would think that one of them has to be the right one!!! http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8555/visit.html Confused in Ohio. Carole

I think the motto translation is more like: "Serve Faithfully". Erin Peters

If you are trying to locate a place in the U.K., very goo dmaps to use are the Ordnance Survey Maps. They are kind of like the U.S. Geological Survey maps. You can look at the Ordnance Survey gazetteer on http://www.campus.bt.com/CampusWorld/pub/OS/Gazetteer/index.html It will tell you the county, the number of the 'Landranger' sheet it's on (this is a set of about 200 map sheets covering the whole UK in 25 mile squares at 1:50,000) and a 4-figure reference for the UK British National Grid, which positions it within a one-kilometer square. I have been sucessful at purchasing the maps through a local bookstore in Portland Oregon called Powell's Books. You need to know which 'Landranger' sheet number, however. Mike <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ The Dunton Family Homesite http://www.web-ster.com/miked list manager for dutton-l@rootsweb.com & dunton-l@rootsweb.com <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~