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    1. Re: Dutton stuff
    2. Richard A. & Jean C. Dutton
    3. Rlilley@aol.com wrote: > Hi Dick, > Do you know if anyone checked into the note Phyllis sent on 6/23/98? Was > there anything we Mass. Duttons could benefit from? > thanks, Randy Lilley I ordered and received my copy of the book in question. If you could believe everything in it as primary source documentation it would be a great find. For everyone's edification I include all of the text in part one of the book at the end of this message. Part one also included some tables and charts which will not be included below.The formating has disappeared. You will have to draw your own conclusions as to the usefulness of the data. Dick Researching my family tree! Trunk: DUTTON Major branches: ALLEN, BARTLETT, CUTLER, DOGGETT, DUNTEN, DUNTON, JENSON, LAKE, METCALF, PARTRIDGE, REYNOLDS, RICHARDS, SAWYER, SMITH, TRACY, TURNER. Minor branches: ADAMS, ALDEN, BALL, BLACK, BLANCHARD, BREWSTER, BRIMHALL, CARY, COLBURN, HATCH, HOPKINS, HYDE, KIDDER, PERKINS, WARNER, WILLIAMS. Smaller Limbs: ALGER, ANDERSON, CLARK, DAVIS, FRENCH, FULLER, HALL, HARRIS, JOHNSON, KNAPP, McMILLAN, MERRICK, MILLER, MOORE, NELSON PARKER, TUTTLE - And many more. > ---------------------------------------------------- > << Subj: a new source?? > Date: 98-06-23 15:11:46 EDT > From: PRyerse@eclipsecomputer.com (Ryerse, Phyllis) > To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com > > New to me....but maybe old stuff to you seasoned Dutton cousins. > I refer to the Sep/Oct 1997 issue of Heritage Quest. > In book reviews I found: > > "A leaf from Armyu Life-Background and Experiences of a Civil War > Soldier. > Compiled by Dorothy Kincheloe Hendrix...Orem, UT > This book is based on a collection of the experiences > of GROVE H. DUTTON > a veteran of the War of the Rebellion. ............ > The reality of war and its hardships, agony and death are discussed in > letters written home during the war. Materials covered regarding the war > begin in Sept 1862 and end in June of 1865. > (It's unclear if these letters were written by Grove H. Dutton or not > -p.r. ) > Also included in this volume are genealogies of the Dutton Family from > 1630 to the present, including lineage charts and an extensive > bibliography." > > Has anyone seen this?? Is it anything important? The charts sound > interesting. Wonder what they are? > > Phyllis in HOTlanta =========================================================== Part I is a historical sketch of the ancestry of Grove H. Dutton. It reveals their names in the order of their birth, their parents, their line of ancestry. It gives us insight to their motive for coming to America from England, and displays their patriotism and strength for the cause of freedom in America. The timetable will assist the reader in comparing the status of American (world) history with that of the Duttons. Bold type is used for the reader to easily follow from generation to generation. This record of the Duttons will begin with Groveís ancestor, John Dutton, who came to New England in 1630. He sailed on the ship ìCometî with the Governor, John Winthropís, fleet. Of eleven ships, the ìArabellaî was the flagship. His son, Thomas, sailed with him. Mrs. John Dutton (Mary Neeld) followed a year later with sons Josiah, Robert and Samuel. They appeared before the General Court of Massachusetts 29 October 1640, and were admitted as inhabitants with good record. It is well noted by historians that the purpose of these people to eagerly migrate to a new undeveloped country was very clear. Large numbers of farmers thought that in America they could find some relief from the hard times that had befallen them. By 1600 economic conditions in England appeared to be a permanent depression and hope for improvements looked dim. Others deplored the religious tyranny. They came for religious freedom, to worship as they would choose, and for a better economic situation. They left the security of their homeland for the risks and hardships of settling in a new land. They were willing to make the sacrifice in the name of freedom. >From the time John Dutton made his decision to leave England, little did he know of the course he was charting for his posterity. As the history of the Duttons unfolds, we will find them moving westward as each American city, county and state grew from a mere settlement. Thomas, son of John and Mary (Neeld) Dutton, was born in England in 1621. He came with his father, John Dutton, on the sailing vessel ìCometî with the John Winthrop fleet in 1630. He married Susanna Palmer (born in 1626). They were among the early residents of Reading, Massachusetts, and were accepted as inhabitants of Billerica, Massachusetts 22 November 1669. Of their four sons and two daughters, Groveís ancestor is Joseph Dutton, second son and third child of Thomas and Susanna. Susanna died 27 August 1684 and Thomas married his second wife, Ruth Hooper, 9 November 1684. Joseph, son of Thomas and Susanna, was born 25 January 1660-1661 while the family was living in Woburn, Massachusetts. He married Rebecca Fitch in Billerica, Massachusetts. After her death he married his second wife, Mary Smith, 7 December 1693 in Charlestown, Massachusetts. Joseph and his family moved, to East Haddam, Connecticut, and were the first Duttons in Connecticut. He purchased land in Wallingford in 1718-19 which he gave to his sons. Of his six children, two daughters and four sons, Groveís ancestor is Samuel. Samuel Dutton was the fifth child, third son of Joseph and Rebecca (Fitch) Dutton. He was born at East Haddam, Connecticut, 13 February 1704/5. On 17 November 1726 he married Rachel Cone. They were parents of eight children, five sons and three daughters. Jeremiah, the fifth son, is Groveís direct ancestor. ìSamuel Dutton was a man of wonderful equanimity of temper, strict integrity and eminent piety. The whole family in their time was highly respected; several of them were persons of enterprising talents. All of them are like their father, upright, and several of them professors of religion and officers of the church. Rachel, his wife, was a noted beauty and from her, their numerous descendants very generally inherit black eyes.î - Tracy Eustisí Dutton MSS. Jeremiah Dutton, son of Rachel (Cone) Dutton and Samuel Dutton, was born at Lebanon, Connecticut, about 1739, and moved to Ludlow, Massachusetts, about 1760. He was a schoolmaster for 47 years. He married Damaris Beebe 24 January 1758. Jeremiah and Damaris (Beebe) Dutton and their family were living in Ludlow, Massachusetts, during the war of the American Revolution. He served as a moderator of the town meetings for three years. He was later chosen to serve as a town father for 1 year; an assessor for 1 year. He served as the town clerk from 1776-1779, in behalf of the New England Patriots. (For his service and that of the Beebe ancestors, his descendants arc entitled to participate in the Daughters of the American Revolution). His wife, Damaris Beebe, came from a family of patriots who fought intensely during the Revolutionary War. Their oldest son, Oliver, is noted for his bravery during the Revolutionary War. Jeremiah owned land near the Springfield Waterworks. Groveís direct ancestor is their youngest son, Calvin. Calvin, son of Jeremiah and Damaris (Beebe) Dutton, was born 20 October 1766 in Ludlow, Massachusetts. He married Polly Edgerton 1 November 1792. They later moved to Washington County, New York. Calvin and Polly (Edgerton) Dutton were parents of seven children, four sons and three daughters. Orson Homer Dutton, sixth child, fourth son, was Groveís father. Orson Homer Dutton was born 19 March 1808 in Washington County, New York. He married Sophia Church 20 January 1836 at Vernon, New York. Orson with his family (John, his brother, and perhaps his parents) moved further west to Oswego County, New York, and is listed as one of the early settlers there between 1830-1840. John E. Dutton, his brother, is listed on the Finance Committee of the Oswego Falls Agriculture Society in 1856. A family document, dated 20 August 1844, reads that Orson Homer Dutton bought land from John E. Dutton, his brother, in the town(ship) of Grandby, County of Oswego, in New York State. The said document was recorded in the Oswego County Clerkís Office 9 September 1844. This was the establishment of the Dutton farm where Grove Henry Dutton was born 5 July 1846, and grew up there with his brothers and sisters. SOURCES: First Generation to America History of William H. Dutton by Ralph E. Davison History of Ludlow, pages 128-390. Landmarks of Oswego County by John C. Churchill Family document courtesy of Betty Ann Dutton Lid Records from Daughters of the American Revolution

    09/23/1998 05:25:55
    1. Re: Hugh Lupus and Counts of Eu
    2. Carole Malisiak
    3. Hi Doug, > So I wouldn't count out the Norse names as being real.> Thanks for responding to my posting. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the names were not real. I believe that they are real and that is why I am searching for them in other sources. I have two theories on the names that I am reading about: 1) Maybe these brother's father was not William of Eu, but they had a father who would be more likely to name the children these Norse sounding names. For instance, Lawson's "Ivo, Viscount of Cotentin (younger branch)." It seems that certain names tend to run in families. For example, Hugh was very popular in the early Dutton family. Is Neil a French form of the name Nigel which was a common name in the St. Sauveur family? This brings me to my second theory. 2) These guys could be the children of William of Eu, but only one version of their names came down to us. It seems to me that many of the people of these times had at least two versions of their names. Consider Hawisa or Hedwige, d/o Duke Richard I. Also, Robert I's mistress, Herleve (aka Arlette, a French version?). Her two names don't even look the same at all, but I have come to recognize who she is no matter what they call her. So, maybe Odard, Edard, Nigel, Wolmere, Horswyne, and Wolfaith are the Norse versions and we do not have a French version that would go along better with William, Robert, and Richard. Maybe these names are Norse (that's what I thought) but the spelling has been Saxonized by the English writers who wrote them down. Whatever is the truth, I don't know, but between all of us who are interested in this part of our past, maybe we can figure it out!!! I have not yet formed a conclusion (and maybe never will, considering the evidence, or lack, thereof), but I guess that I feel that Lawson's chart which lists Ivo as their father makes sense, since I've been told that Neil is a French version of Nigel. Nigel, Vicomte of the Cotentin, does have a story in the "Gesta Normannorum Ducum...." I will put it together and send it along. Talk to you Later, Carole Doug Hall wrote: > >The way things look at present is: My feeling is that Count Wm of Eu > >would not name his children such odd names, like, Odard, Edard, Nigel, > >Wolmere, Horswyne, and Wolfaith. He would likely use names, such as, > >William, Robert, Richard, etc. I am beginning to think that Lawson is > >more accurate than Burkes Landed Gentry. > > I'm not sure about this Carole. I've read quite a few books on the history > of Viking Normandy and other Norse outposts (such as Sicily and Rus). > Normandy wasn't so much a "country" as it was a settlement of Viking raiders > that initially displaced and then assimilated the indigenous French. It took > three generations before the early French language began to replace the Old > Norse that was spoken among these Norman Vikings. And adoption of > Christianity by the Norman leaders came late and tentatively at first. The > conversion of the rest of the Normans followed but only a generation or two > before William departed on his conquest of England. > > The names Odard and Wolfaith, etc. are good Norse names. Remember, however, > that there was no standard spelling. The written spelling is certainly not > contemporaneous, but the later attempt to record the pronunciation. > > Personal names in Normandy were evidently derived from both the Norse and > French cultures. So it is quite possible for a "William" (French) to name a > son Odard (Norse). Think of the naming conventions of our own non-English > immigrant ancestors in the American colonies. Or of immigrant families > today. Personal names from the "old country" occur as do names from the new > culture for many generations. > > Doug

    09/22/1998 04:56:39
    1. RE: a new source??
    2. Phyllis Ryerse
    3. Hi Randy......last I heard, Dick Dutton had ordered the book.....but I haven't seen an update on whether he really did....and if so - what it contained. Maybe he'll see this note and answer. Phyllis in Atlanta -----Original Message----- From: Rlilley@aol.com [SMTP:Rlilley@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 4:33 PM To: PRyerse@eclipsecomputer.com Subject: Re: a new source?? Hi, Did anyone check into the note Phyllis sent on 6/23/98? Was there anything we Mass. Duttons could benefit from? thanks, Randy Lilley ---------------------------------------------------- << Subj: a new source?? Date: 98-06-23 15:11:46 EDT From: PRyerse@eclipsecomputer.com (Ryerse, Phyllis) To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com New to me....but maybe old stuff to you seasoned Dutton cousins. I refer to the Sep/Oct 1997 issue of Heritage Quest. In book reviews I found: "A leaf from Army Life-Background and Experiences of a Civil War Soldier. Compiled by Dorothy Kincheloe Hendrix...Orem, UT This book is based on a collection of the experiences of GROVE H. DUTTON a veteran of the War of the Rebellion. ............ The reality of war and its hardships, agony and death are discussed in letters written home during the war. Materials covered regarding the war begin in Sept 1862 and end in June of 1865. (It's unclear if these letters were written by Grove H. Dutton or not -p.r. ) Also included in this volume are genealogies of the Dutton Family from 1630 to the present, including lineage charts and an extensive bibliography." Has anyone seen this?? Is it anything important? The charts sound interesting. Wonder what they are? Phyllis in HOTlanta >>

    09/22/1998 02:48:12
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    09/22/1998 02:05:00
    1. Hugh Lupus and Counts of Eu
    2. Carole Malisiak
    3. Hi LISTers, A short time ago I had reported on the Lineage of Hugh d'Avranches. I noticed today that this lineage ties in with Lawson's chart which shows that Ansfred the Dane is son of Rollo Thurstan of More. Lawson also reports that Ansfred the Dane was 1st Viscount of the Hiémois "a quo Hugh Lupus, Earl of Chester". This puts Hugh in the same generation as Wm the Conqueror. 1) Ansfred, the Dane 2) Thurston Goz, Count of Hiémois, abt 1017 to 1025 and again from 1031 to 1035 and Lord of Toutainville and Creully. He led a rebellion at Falaise against Duke William abt 1043 and left the country as an exile (p 103). 3) Richard Goz, vicomte of Avranches about 1055 or 1056. He died abt 1081 to 1087. He loyally served Duke William and was able to reconcile the duke and his father and he acquired many more possessions than his father had lost (p 102-3). 4) Hugh, Count of Avranches, Earl of Chester (p 208) died 27 Jul 1101. 5) Richard Earl of Chester = Matilda d/o Adela (d/o King Wm.) & Stephen of Blois both died in the White Ship disaster (p 276). I am working on the Counts of Eu [honest], but I keep getting side-tracked [this book is so interesting!!!]. The Counts of Eu were a rebellious group, and at least one of them was exiled and became Count of Soissons owing fealty to the French King. It is confusing here because the author is a little confused, so, I am trying to untangle this mess. I will probably have to go to OSU library and get more articles. The way things look at present is: My feeling is that Count Wm of Eu would not name his children such odd names, like, Odard, Edard, Nigel, Wolmere, Horswyne, and Wolfaith. He would likely use names, such as, William, Robert, Richard, etc. I am beginning to think that Lawson is more accurate than Burkes Landed Gentry. Carole

    09/22/1998 12:57:38
    1. Dutton genealogy
    2. Hi, Can anyone help Paul? --------------------------------- From: Pdutts@aol.com To: Rlilley Hi this is Paul Dutton from North lancashire . I am hoping that you can help me locate our family crest or coat of arms . Perhaps if your interested I can find out some of my family history for you to add to your history of the Duttons Hoping you can help me Paul Dutton

    09/21/1998 03:59:20
    1. Dutton genealogy
    2. Hi, Can anyone help Sammye? --------------------------------- From: RoadKiller@worldnet.att.net (Stephen C. Lee) Reply-to: RoadKiller@worldnet.att.net (Stephen C. Lee) To: rlilley@aol.com I have a Catherine(Caty) Dutton who married a Christian Phillipi in late 1700's and living in S.W. Virginia. A Julie Arney gave me the info that she was a child of Phillip Dutton and wife Catherine. Phillip died in Wythe Cty., Va. Feb. 07, 1810. I am trying to find any connections to a possible ancestry. Thanks for any help. Sammye Lee

    09/21/1998 03:59:18
    1. Take a Break!
    2. Carole Malisiak
    3. Forwarded to me by a friend on another list. -- Carole A few items plucked from actual researches. Take a break. laugh a little....... : )) ____________________________________ Our 2nd great grandfather was found dead crossing the plains in the library. He was married 3 times in the endowment house and has 21 children. He and his daughter are listed as not being born. I would like to find out if I have any living relatives or dead relatives or ancestors in my family. My Grandfather died at the age of 3. We are sending you 5 children in a separate envelope. Documentation: Family Bible in possession of Aunt Merle until the tornado hit Topeka, Kansas, now only the Good Lord know where it is . . . The wife of #22 could not be found. Somebody suggested that she might have been stillborn -- what do you think? I am mailing you my aunt and uncle and 3 of their children. Enclosed please find my Grandmother. I have worked on her for 30 years without success. Now see what you can do. We lost our Grandmother, will you please send us a copy? Will you please send me the name of my first wife? I have forgotten her name. I do not want you to do my research for me. Will you please send me all of the material on the Welch line, in the US, England and Scotland? I will do the research.

    09/20/1998 08:09:41
    1. DUTTONs by Ormerod p.642
    2. Richard A. & Jean C. Dutton
    3. Hi All, Thanks to one of our new subscribers, Nicholas Blackhurst, who actually lives in Cheshire, I am coming into possession of those pages of Ormerod's History of Cheshire, Vol. 1 that pertain to our family(ies). He sends them to me as a scanned TIFF document. As an experiment, I have opened the first of those pages (page 642) in PhotoShop, printed it on an 800 dpi laser printer and then scanned it into my OCR (Optical Character Recognition) program TextBridge Pro, and from there into a word processor. The results, after some work, is a verbatim copy, Latin et all, of the original page. Unfortunately, when copying and pasting it into this message below it loses all its formatting - especially the superscripts for the footnotes. So I have changed the supposed superscript a & b to a plain [a] & [b]. I may not be able to get the rest of the pages into the OCR program because they print out as legal sized pages and my scanner won't handle them. There may be some work arounds - we shall see. Much of what is on this page is not new but there is one thing new to me that I find quite significant. The families and descendants of WARBURTON, CHEDILL, and ASHLEY are really DUTTONs in disguise. At the risk of being accused of losing (or never having had) my sense of humor, it reminds me of the old saying that "A rose by any other name is still a DUTTON" - or words to that effect. For those of us that may be interested in finding all (or as many as possible) of Odard's descendants this opens a whole new world - or Pandora's box. By the way, I strongly suggest that, before any of you go to Cheshire looking for ancestors, you contact Nick. I suspect he knows where many of the "skeletons" are buried and how to "dig them up." For your edification and what it may be worth here is p.642 of Ormerod's History of Cheshire, Vol. 1. Dick Dutton ======================================================== DUTTON. (LEYCE5TER) I FIND this town of Dutton thrice named in Dooms-day-book, as held then in the Conqueror's time by three persons. One part Odard held immediately of the earl of Chester, as it were in capite : another part was held by William Fitz-Nigell, baron of Halton, of the earl, in like manner: another part did Osberne son of Tezzon, ancestor to the Boydells of Dodleston, hold also of the earl of Chester. Odard's part seems to be the greatest part, which one Ravene held before at the coming in of the Normans. The baron of Halton's part and. Osbern's part, one Edward held before, and did then likewise hold Osbern's part under the said Osbern. But both Osbern's part and the baron of Halton's part at last came to the posterity of Odard; for Osbern's part was sold by his heir sir William Boydell, who released all his seignory unto Thomas, son of Hugh Dutton of Dutton, in all the lands which the said Thomas held of him in Dutton, 15 Edw. III. 1341. Lib. C. fol. 158b.[a] As to the baron of Halton's part, John Constable of Cheshire, baron of Halton, gave to Adam de Dutton (younger son of Hugh Dutton of Dutton, and ancestor to Warburton of Arley) those four oxgangs of land in Dutton, which Walter Heron held. This was about the end of the reign of Henry the Second. Lib. C. fol. 140. And sir Geffrey de Warburton releaseth all his right unto Thomas son of Hugh de Dutton aforesaid, in all those lands in Dutton which the said Thomas held by lease from the said sir Geffrey. Dated at Dutton 28 Edw. III. I354, lib. C. fol. 158, c. So that Thomas de Dutton was now invested in the whole town of Dutton entirely. This township, in the ancient record of Doomsday-book, is written Duntune. Dun, in the old Saxon lan-guage, signifies a hill, for which we now use the word down; so that Duntune signifies as much as a town upon a hill or down, now contracted to Dutton. >From this town did the ancient family of the Duttons assume their sir-name; for Odard being seated here in the Conqueror's time, his posterity were sir-named de Dutton from the place of their residence, where they have continued ever since to this present 1666, about 600 years; a family of great worth and antiquity, and as it were almost a constant succession of knights; but now, alas ! ready to change its name, being devolved by a daughter and heir unto the lord Gerard, of Gerard’s Bromley in Staffordshire. Out of this family branched out the Warburtons of Arley, under Henry the Second, and retained their proper sir-name of Dutton, till Peter Dutton, seating himself at Warburton towards the end of Edward the First, his posterity under Edward the Second were stiled de Warburton, and have ever since wholly retained the sirname of Warburton. About the same time of Henry the Second branched out also Geffrey de Dutton, another son, from whom the Duttons of Chedill in this county, whose posterity afterwards assumed the sirname of Chedill under Edward the First; and out of this family of Dutton of Chedill branched out Hamon Dutton, a younger son, under Edward the First, who assumed the sir-name of Ashley from the place of his residence, whose posterity wholly retained the sir-name of Ashley, as you may see more fully in Ashley. [b] Besides the Duttons of Hatton nigh Warton in. Cheshire, more lately sprung hence, and other good families. The mannor-house of Dutton is well seated, and hath great store of meadowing by the river-side belonging to the demain, which is accounted the largest and best demain within our county, comprehending 1400 statute acres by survey. This house standeth upon a pleasant prospect to the opposite hills of the forest, and hath in it an ancient chappel, built first by sir Thomas Dutton towards the end of Henry the Thirdís reign, unto whom Roger de Lincoln, then prior of Norton, and the convent there, did grant liberam can tariam in capellis suis de Dutton et Weston infrà limites parochiarum nostrarum de Budworth et de Runcorne; id est, free liberty of reading Divine Service, or singing the same, so as the mother churches receive no detriment either in their greater or lesser tythes Lib. C. fol. 155, s. That of Weston is long since vanished; but this chappel at Dutton yet remains, and is now a domestic chappel within the mannor-house of Dutton, unto which sir Piers Dutton of Hatton, after he was adjudged next heir male to the lands of Dutton by the award of Henry the Eighth, did annex his new buildings at Dutton, anno Domini 1539, [a] Ex chartulis Duttonorum de Dutton.-P. I. [b] The Warburtons, Chedills, and Ashleys, in Cheshire, are all originally Duttons.—P. I. Page 642

    09/20/1998 04:04:34
    1. 1682 Land Purchasers
    2. Carole Malisiak
    3. The Chester Co Website lists a lot of new information and: PENNSYLVANIA LAND PURCHASERS--1682 There is no John Dutton listed but there is: Robert Dunton and John Neild At the bottom of the page is this note: <NOTE: The above numbers seem to only represent the numbers in a ledger. The PENNSYLVANIA ARCHIVES is an effort of the state to compile the records from approximately 1682 to the mid-1800's. It is represented in Series, with each series containing numerous volumes. The original volumes are difficult to find in the state of Pennsylvania. That difficulty makes it important to put the names contained in the ARCHIVES on the WEB for all to see.> http://www.rootsweb.com/~GENHOME/lnd1682.htm Carole

    09/19/1998 02:45:06
    1. looking for a Dutton
    2. I am looking for an unknown Dutton in the Phila. Delaware, Chester County areas of Pennsylvania. I have a Rosannah Jones in one of my lines. In her father (Abraham's) will written in 1838 he lists Rosannah's married name as Dutton. Rosannah was born June 4, 1788. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Thanks Bill Salmon

    09/18/1998 04:35:05
    1. Re: Doug's possible trip to Chester
    2. Doug Hall
    3. Nick, >I suggest that if you come to Chester, pay a visit to the library and ask to see >Ormerod's History of Cheshire. You will find numerous pedigrees in these volumes >which you can photo-copy on the spot. I suggest the library rather than the Record >Office, because of the ability to photo-copy the pages yourself and also because it >is considerably cheaper and quicker! Actually, I did review and phtocopy some of that at the library when I was there with my father about 12 years ago. The library was quite nice. >Whoever, F. A. Lawson is or was, he may well have got his information from >Ormerod, which i consider to be excellent. At the bottom of his chart of the Dutton's he includes Ormerod as one of the cited references, but he also cites "Frodsham, Waverton, E Thornton Par Regrs and private information." I would be interested in tracking those items that must be behind much of the 19th and 20th century material on his chart. I'm not sure I'll make it there this trip. My intent is to walk 50-80 miles through the beautiful Yorkshire Dales. Doug

    09/18/1998 02:12:17
    1. Important-READ this!
    2. Phyllis Ryerse
    3. This is such an incredible answer to my request for directions to Dutton locations in Delaware & Chester Co., Penna....that I am forwarding it to the list. This "Internet Thing" is certainly an amazing, powerful tool! This fellow provided all this wonderful information....which oughta go into our data base for future visitors to the area.....and the news clips provide much new info that will prove helpful to us as well. I have thanked this fellow sincerely. By the way.....my trip is "on" and I'm getting very excited. I'll be visiting the Chester Co. Hist Soc.....wanna see the Cope Collection of early photographs.....and I see where he wrote the Darlington Fam.Hist. also. Have we looked at that?? Stay tuned.........pictures at 11 !! Phyllis -----Original Message----- From: Mark.Christy@decisionone.com [SMTP:Mark.Christy@decisionone.com] Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 8:35 AM To: phyllis@webnet.com Subject: Re: FW: Need directions! Hi Phyllis! I hope you have a nice visit to Del. Do. I'm not sure just exactly where the Dutton house is however I do know where the Dutton Mill was, (there were many Dutton's throughout the Chichester / Aston area) and that property is still standing. What I do know is (please have a map nearby), the Chester Friends Meeting is located at the corner of 24th Street and Chestnut Street, Chester. It is in the vicinity of Widener University, (abt 1 mile north). If you can obtain a map of Delaware County, find the intersection of Interstate 95 and Routes 320 and 352. If you locate Widener University (in the City of Chester) you'll see the intersection. I-95 runs north and south, 320 and 352 "fork" off of that and twist around in a northerly direction. Follow Rte. 320 North. You'll begin to intersect 14th, 15th, 16th streets, etc. Follow north until you intersect 24th street. Turn left (west) and proceed to the next intersection (Chestnut Street (parkway)). You are there!!!! The historical marker states that was the place Robert Wade met William Penn when he arrived in Chester. Mount Hope Methodist Church is in Aston Township. Find Route 452 which runs completely through Aston Twp. Rte 452 travels from Interstate 95 all the way to Route 1. If you follow Rte 452 north from I-95, around the middle of Aston Twp, you will find an intersection which is fed 5 ways (5 Points.) Look for Concord Road. Follow Concord Road west. When you see Neumann College, you are there. Mount Hope Church is at the bend in the road, and the cemetary is in the rear. Back to the Dutton Mill. Find Routes 352 and 452 on your map. At the southern tip of Aston Twp where 452 enters (at Chichester Twp), and the northern tip of "Brookhaven" where 352 runs north from Brookhaven into Middletown Twp, there is a road named "Dutton Mill Road". If you have a map of Delaware County, follow Dutton Mill Road between Rts 352 and 452. At the Brookhaven / Aston Township line, there is what is known as the Chester Creek (Chester River in the old days). There is a 12 room mansion which was built in the 1700's, destroyed by flood and rebuilt in 1832, the old mill, since converted into a home, and two or three more 18th century homes located on Dutton Mill Road where it passes over the creek. I'll look tonight, but this was property purchased by a Dutton from a man named Coebourn. Coebourn received a land grant from William Penn. If I can find my book, I'll look up the information and provide you more detail if you like. I hope you have a safe trip and good luck in your search. P. S. Here is some reading material from local newspapers of the time. I don't know if they interest you, but here they are anyway. Enjoy and have a safe trip. Mark. January 26, 1838 DELAWARE COUNTY REPUBLICAN Advertisement CLOVER MILL - The subscriber has been at a considerable expense to render the process of cleaning clover seed complete. He has in operation one of Burrels patent machines, which are the best that have yet been put into use, and is now ready to accommodate those who may favour him with their custom. << JOHN DUTTON>> , Jr. Aston, near Village Green, Jan. 26th 1838. August 3, 1838 DELAWARE COUNTY REPUBLICAN Real Estate REAL ESTATE AT PRIVATE SALE. - To be sold at Private sale, a valuable tract of land situate in Aston township, Delaware county, near Village Green and Concord road, 18 miles from Philadelphia, 4 1/2 from Chester, 3 miles from the Philadelphia and Wilmington Railroad, 1 1/2 miles from seven large cotton Manufactory, besides other Manufacturing establishments on Chester creek, where there is an excellent market for wood, lumber and all kinds of produce, bounded by lands of William Thatcher, Salkeld Larkin and others, containing 104 3/4 acres, near 50 of which is under heavy timber, and ten of watered meadow, in a good state of cultivation, being lately limed and divided into convenient enclosures. The improvements are a good two story stone dwelling, with four rooms on a floor, with a well of excellent water at the door, frame barn with stone stabling sufficient for 20 head of stock, with water that will run to the yard, stone spring house over an excellent spring near the dwelling, a clovermill and sawmill in complete order, with a good supply of water and in an excellent neighborhood for business, and gearing sufficient for a threshing machine, a small expense would gear a mill for grinding grain. A thriving young orchard of different kinds of apples, and a variety of other fruit trees, convenient to schools and places of public worship, 1 1/2 miles from the sate railroad route, and about the same from a tannery, &c. For further information apply to the subscriber residing thereon. << JOHN DUTTON>> , Jr. March 27, 1840 DELAWARE COUNTY REPUBLICAN Death Notice At his residence in Chester township on the 19th inst., << JOHN DUTTON>> , aged about 70 years. The deceased came to his death from a wound in the arm, receioved while attending a saw mill. Mr. Dutton was an old resident of Chester township, and was universally respected and beloved by all who knew him for his sterling honesty and uprightness. January 21, 1842 DELAWARE COUNTY REPUBLICAN News PATENT IMPROVED PORTABLE CHAIN PUMP. << John Dutton>> , of Aston township, in this county, has lately taken out letters for an Improved Portable Chain Pump, which we should judge from the drawings and explanations given us, will prove vastly superior to the common pump now in use, as it will discharge much more water in the same time with less power, and will elevate it two hundred feet it required. The cost of fitting up one of these pumps will be much more economical than the wooden pumps, being so constructed as to do away with the impure taste and sediment always to be found in the water from those pumps. It is easily kept in repair, and so fixed that frost cannot injure it. Mr. D. offers state, county, or township rights for sale on reasonable terms. November 2, 1849 DELAWARE COUNTY REPUBLICAN Death Notice In Buffalo, New York, on the 20th inst., Mr. << JOHN DUTTON>> , of this county. His remains were brought to his home, and interred in the burying ground in Upper Chichester. September 26, 1851 DELAWARE COUNTY REPUBLICAN Death Notice At the residence of Jonathan Dutton, in Chester township, on the 12th inst., Mrs. ANN DUTTON, relict of << John Dutton>> , deceased, in the 79th year of her age. January 6, 1860 DELAWARE COUNTY REPUBLICAN Real Estate ORPHANS'COURT SALE OF VALUABLE REAL ESTATE - By virtue of an order of the Orphans'Court of Delaware county, will be sold at public sale, on the premises, in Aston township, in said county, on THURSDAY, the second of February, 1860, at one oin the afternoon, all that plantation, late the estate of << John Dutton>> , deceased, bounded by lands of Daniel Thatcher, George McCracker, Joseph Haycock, Samuel Wells and Edwin Hannum, and the new road leading from the Concord road to the Chichester road, containing ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR ACRES, more or less, seventy five of which are in a good state of cultivation, the remainder heavily timbered, and the whole farm is well fenced, and has a good stream of water running through it, with a clover mill, saw mill and water power upon it. The improvements consist of a STONE DWELLING HOUSE, thirty by thirty five feet, with two rooms on the first floor, four on the second, and a well of excellent water with a pump therein near the door; a frame tenant house thirty by fourteen feet, with three rooms on the first floor and four on the second, and a cellar and spring house under; a double floored barn forty eight by fifty feet, carriage and straw house adjoining. There is a young apple orchard and a number of other fruit trees on the premises. This property is located in a desirable neighborhood, near Village Green, and within four miles of Chester, and eight of Media. Persons wishing to view the place, previous to the sale, can apply to T.V. DUTTON, residing thereon. Conditions made known at the sale. J.M. BROOMALL, Trustee. May 16, 1862 DELAWARE COUNTY REPUBLICAN Marriage On Thursday, the 23d of April last, by the Rev. James W. Dale, at the residence of the bridefather, in Chester township, Mr. << JOHN DUTTON>> and Miss HATTIE B. BEATTY, eldest daughter of John Beatty. September 23, 1851 VILLAGE RECORD Death Notice On the 12th inst., in Delaware county, ANN DUTTON, widow of << John Dutton>> , dec, aged 79 years. The End!! Phyllis Ryerse <phyllis@webnet.com> on 09/17/98 06:56:31 PM Please respond to "phyllis@webnet.com" <phyllis@webnet.com> To: PADELAWA-L@rootsweb.com cc: (bcc: Mark Christy/NotesOne) Subject: FW: Need directions! Is there anyone there who can help me locate some places I'd like to visit when I come to Delaware Co. in two weeks?? A live person (!) <grin> who knows the area and can help me pinpoint a specific place?? I'm decsended from John Dutton who was one of the very early settlers in the area. One of his descendants, Kingsman Dutton built a HOUSE in 1753...... "about half a mile from the wouth-west corner of Aston Township near the east branch of Chichester Creek." Can you help me figure out where that is today?? I don't know if the township lines have changes......or the county lines have changed........maybe I should be talking to someone in Chester County. I really need some direction here! The house was still standing in the 1930's and if it's still there today, I'd like to visit it......and take some pictures to share with our Dutton Family Association. It is said that a stone in the west end gable bears the initials R.D. and M.D. and the date 1749. Are you familiar with such a house? I'd also like to visit the Chester Friends Meeting.......if that building still stands.........and also the Mount Hope Methodist Church and Cemetery. I don't know where it is located. Sure hope somebody can help push me in the right direction! Thanks for your help! Phyllis Ryerse (Atlanta, GA)

    09/18/1998 08:16:29
    1. Dutton genealogy
    2. Hi, Can anyone help Terri? ------------------------------------ From: EVERHART_TERESA_J@lilly.com (Teresa J Everhart) Reply-to: everhart@iquest.net To: rlilley@aol.com I have just started researching the Dutton line of my family and know very little about them. All I have been able to come up with is that my grandmother was Stella Dutton, her father was Albert Dutton, mother was Margaret Belt. She had 2 brothers Arlo and Luther. All spent a lot of their lives in Harden Co. Il. Do you have any information on these Duttons? Thanks Terri

    09/18/1998 06:14:52
    1. Doug's possible trip to Chester
    2. Nicolas Blackhurst
    3. Doug, I suggest that if you come to Chester, pay a visit to the library and ask to see Ormerod's History of Cheshire. You will find numerous pedigrees in these volumes which you can photo-copy on the spot. I suggest the library rather than the Record Office, because of the ability to photo-copy the pages yourself and also because it is considerably cheaper and quicker! Whoever, F. A. Lawson is or was, he may well have got his information from Ormerod, which i consider to be excellent. Regards, Nick >From: "Doug Hall" <doughall@mail.tds.net> >Subject: Re: Dutton Hall > >If I get to Chester my plan is to try to track down who the F. A. Lawson is >that created that Dutton chart and find out if his notes and workpapers >still exist. > >Doug Hall > Nicolas Blackhurst >From the Roman Fortress of 'Deva.' Web Site: http://freespace.virgin.net/nicolas.blackhurst/homepage.htm e-mail: nicolas.blackhurst@virgin.net

    09/16/1998 02:26:50
    1. Dutton genealogy
    2. Hi all, Can anyone help Shirley? Randy Lilley ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- From: ShirleyKnight@email.msn.com (ShirleyKnight) To: rlilley@aol.com I am searching for America Serena Dutton born May 28, 1855 in ? (Cherokee, Ala., Sand Mountain, Georgia, DeKalb County, Ala) died May 18, 1932 in Altamont, Tennessee married Robert D. R. Tate November 18, 1877. I have not been able to find anything on her. She had a sister named Texas Alabama, two brothers ?(Willie and George) and her dad's name was ? (John). I have the names of America's children but no other information on her. Does any of this sound familiar to you. Sincerely, Shirley Knight

    09/16/1998 10:36:44
    1. Dutton genealogy
    2. Hello everyone-I'm back, Hi Dick, Tim, Fred, John, Mike and the rest of you I haven't spoke to in the last eighteen months. I have some catching up to do. I would like to apologize to anyone who wrote me a note and I didn't respond yet. I have saved all my mail and will answer all of it. For those of you who don't know me, I was considered the Dutton expert in the country for a while (the Mass. Duttons) and have over 10,000 names of Duttons and their immediate famlies in my file. I would like it very much if all of you would drop me a note if you are connected to the Mass. Duttons. I would like to include your Dutton stuff in my file and see if I have any information you can use. Randy Lilley - Essex,Vt

    09/16/1998 10:36:39
    1. RE: Kingsman Dutton's House
    2. Phyllis Ryerse
    3. Wow....CURT!! (and everyone else on the list!!) This is so exciting!! I've been wondering for a long time if this house was still standing. But I didn't have a clue how to go about finding it. I was on the Chester, PA list back in the spring.....when Doug Hall and I "connected".....but unsubscribed soon after when all the flurry of excitement was going on about the charts on THIS list. Maybe I oughta re-subscribe to see if anyone there knows if it still stands. THIS IS WHY......altho I operate a business which eats away at my fun time (i.e.family hist.research!) I do have a free weekend over Oct 2-5 and well, golly gee whizz......if I could catch a $59 flight into Philadelphia, I'd sure take a run at Chester County to see if I could find the old house. (and mill) I have double reason for going up there.....since I also have some ancestors who settled Germantown at the same time....also at the urgings of William Penn. So I could just have a marvellous time poking around the back areas of Philly......if I knew WHERE I was going. Doug mentioned that his father was buried in a cemetery which he thought was on the old John Dutton land as well.......that would be another stop on my quickie tour!! And a look at the Chester Meeting House. I think it's still there too. And what other location am I forgetting?? So I need some help and direction here from all of you good people!! Get out your maps and old deeds and help me try to zero in on these locations. I've got a good supply of film......a good camera..... and I'll shoot it all......... and share with everyone.....if you'll help me find these places!! I could spend at least 3 days......and could pack a lot of digging into that much time. Oh....and I just remembered that John Dutton is supposed to have been buried at a Friends church in downtown Philly....even tho the Quakers did not use tombstones. A stop there would be on my "must see" list. And maybe I could go see where Geo L. Dutton lived on 15th??? Come on gang......Quick....get your thinking caps on ........where else should I try to visit ???? Phyllis in Atlanta.....itching for a trip to Chester Co.!! -----Original Message----- From: Curt Rowe [SMTP:curtrowe@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 9:17 PM To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Kingsman Dutton's House It pays to rifle through your mom's old pictures. Found a post card with a picture of Kingsman Dutton's house. On the back of the card, which was never mailed, it said: Home of Kingsman Dutton. built in 1753. Grandfather of Francis, Jacob and William. Father of Fancis David and Kingsman Jr. The latter was born 2,1,1759 in this house in Aston Twp. Del Co. Pa. There was also a label: Order Thru Geo. L. Dutton. "I. L." 3453 2019 N. 15th Street Philadelphia, Pa. Another note that I have indicates that the house was still standing in 1930 so I suspect that was when this picture was taken. The picture is on my web page: http://www.netcom.com/~curtrowe John Dutton of Pennsylvania. Feel free to copy it. The image is 100% of the original size. I cropped some of the landscape off of the right hand side. ______________________________

    09/16/1998 10:31:54
    1. RE: Henry Dutton of Ga
    2. Phyllis Ryerse
    3. Hi Jennifer.......Just got back into town and saw your message. Has anyone else responded to your question yet? Well, as it happens, I live in Georgia......and after reading your question and looking at my map......I believe I have your solution. The immediate problem was bad spelling. The county....and town is named CATOOSA. It is located up in the far north western corner of the state, very close to the Chickamauga Battle site. Catoosa was also on the railroad line that figured so prominently in "The Great Locomotive Chase" when the Yankee boys stole a train right out from under the noses of the southern army! (Yes, there's a movie about it that you could rent!! By the same name) Hope this helps! Phyllis....just north of Atlanta! -----Original Message----- From: JensGen@aol.com [SMTP:JensGen@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 8:25 PM To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Henry Dutton of Ga Well I finally made it to the Microforms room. I found Henry Dutton's Civil War Pension. He was married to Mary C. Fraser. He applied for it in Morgan County, AL. He died between 1907 and 1911 when his Widow applied for the pension again. He was in the 6th Georgia Regiment T Company G . He enrolled in "Coosaville"Ga and was discharged at Chickmauga GA. He was shot in the jaw, side and leg. I haven't been able to locate Coosaville on the GA map. Does anyone know what county it is in? Thanks, Jennifer ______________________________

    09/16/1998 10:12:42
    1. RE: Dutton Hall
    2. Dutton, Colin, DUTTONCW
    3. Hi Doug, I can't promise to dig out my hiking boots, but, if you do get around to coming anywhere near to Cheshire (or Manchester) then give me a call and perhaps we can meet, let me have your itinary, dates etc.. Regarding F.A.Lawson, I have a CD that lists most people in the UK over the age of 16 and there is no refernce to him anywhere, that doesn't mean to say that he doesn't exist. My contact numbers are :- Home 0161 962 5681 Work 0161 300 6630 Regards Colin > ---------- > From: Doug Hall[SMTP:doughall@mail.tds.net] > Sent: 16 September 1998 04:43 > To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Dutton Hall > > Colin, > > I am going to be on one of my semi-annual visits to England later this > month. Mostly I plan to do 7-8 days of long distance walking in Yorkshire, > probably along the portion of the Coast-to-Coast path in the Yorkshire > Dales. If at some point the weather forecast is for three or four days of > rainy weather though, I'll be looking for other things to do. Maybe I'll > get > down to Chester, though I rather doubt it. Another long distance footpath > that intrigues me is the Offa's Dyke Path which has its northern terminus > not too far west of Chester. > > If I get to Chester my plan is to try to track down who the F. A. Lawson > is > that created that Dutton chart and find out if his notes and workpapers > still exist. (I'm assuming he may have been from the Chester area.) I'd > like > to have a better sense of what the original source material is for each of > the parts of his chart. > > Doug Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dutton, Colin, DUTTONCW <colin.dutton@bt.com> > To: DUTTON-L <DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com>; Dutton, Colin, DUTTONCW > <colin.dutton@bt.com>; PACHESTE-L <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com>; Doug Hall > <doughall@mail.tds.net> > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:34 AM > Subject: RE: Dutton Hall > > > >Hi Doug, > > > >Thanks for the compliment regarding the map, glad to be of assistance. > > > >Regarding your query of Cheshire, Brett Langston of our own Cheshire > Family > >History Society has a Web Site located at > > > >http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/blangston/genuki/chs.htm > > > >which lists lots and lots of information, including all of the Cheshire > >Parishes. Have fun!! > > > >Regards > > > >Colin > > > >> ---------- > >> From: Doug Hall[SMTP:doughall@mail.tds.net] > >> Sent: 28 August 1998 18:57 > >> To: DUTTON-L; Dutton, Colin, DUTTONCW; PACHESTE-L > >> Subject: Re: Dutton Hall > >> > >> Great map site, Colin. Thanks. > >> > >> I would point out that the small village of Aston is immediately > adjoining > >> Dutton. While John DUTTON of PA was supposedly originally an inhabitant > of > >> Frodsham, when he emigrated to PA, the location where he settled was > >> almost > >> immediately given the name Aston. I suspect that he may not have been > the > >> only emigrant from the viciinity. While we do not have records of the > >> place > >> of origin of some of the PA settlers who were neighbors of John DUTTON, > I > >> suspect that more than John were from the same area. Otherwise one > would > >> be > >> led to believe that John DUTON had somehow been given the right to name > >> the > >> new location in PA. But he wasn't even the first owner of his tract. > Penn > >> had granted it to Thomas Rowland and Rowland sold it to DUTTON. I > suspect > >> that Rowland as well as John Neild (who Mary DARLINGTON married as > second > >> husband after John's death) were also from Aston. > >> > >> The link between Cheshire, County Palatine, in England and Chester > County, > >> PA, is strong. Chester, PA, the first English settlement in Chester > County > >> was obviously named for Chester, the county seat of Cheshire, England. > And > >> Aston was named for Aston. What other township names in the original > >> settlement of Chester County, PA, come from Cheshire? > >> > >> One obvious one that does not is Chichester. What about Ridley, Darby, > >> etc. > >> > >> Doug Hall > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dutton, Colin, DUTTONCW <colin.dutton@bt.com> > >> To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com <DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 12:16 PM > >> Subject: Dutton Hall > >> > >> > >> >Hi All, > >> > > >> >Just a quickie, > >> > > >> >I have added two URL's that will take you to O.S.maps in the UK, one > is > >> of > >> >East Grinstead (where Dutton Hall now is), the other is of Dutton > (where > >> >Dutton Hall was). > >> > > >> >http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=545000&Y=135000 > >> > > >> >East Grinstead is in the centre of the map and Ashurstwood is just > below > >> it, > >> >this is where the School is. > >> > > >> >http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=357740&Y=379300 > >> > > >> >Dutton is in the top right-hand corner of the centre square, the Hall > was > >> >situated just below the A533 sign. By the way, my own family history > >> takes > >> >me to Tiverton which is situated centre bottom of the map. > >> > > >> >Regards > >> > > >> >Colin > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

    09/16/1998 07:26:23