Hi again to all, I woke up in the middle of the night knowing something was wrong with the message I sent LATE last night. A surveyors chain is 66 feet long but it consists of 99 (vise 40) surveyors links each being 2/3 foot long. That's what I get for relying on memories from so long ago at that time of night without checking my figures. Oh Well, mea culpa. Happy Hunting! Dick Dutton

I'm about to go out the door....keys in my hand.....won't be back till Monday...but I see "You Guys" are having fun with acres and surveying skills. Very interesting. I'm learning fast. You'll lose me, however, if you start talking metes and bounds and perches and chains and poles, or whatever!! ;-)) Anyhow....we still need to figure out how John Duttons land of 590 acres stretched from river to Twp. line. When I get back next week....we'll look again at the current twp. map.....maybe I can scan that in to show you.... and you can figure it all out. I'm sure the surveyors of that era were good at their math.....it may be that their map drawing skills were a little shaky sometimes. And KELVIN.....you're a Chester, PA native? Wow....glad to meet you. If we have any other "local" questions, we'll know who to ask!! See ya next week.....Phyllis

Hi Kelvin, You are correct on the definition of a "section" and that one such contains 640 acres but an acre contains 43,560 square feet. Of idle interest , the 640 acres that make up a square mile (or section) are not "square acres" which would require them to measure 208.71033 feet on a side. If I still remember my surveying correctly, the correct measurements are a rectangle measuring 132feet by 330 feet. This is based on the OLD surveying method of using a "surveyors chain" which comprised of 40 surveyors links, each 2/3 foot long, making the chain 66 feet long. Thus each acre measured 2 chains by 5 chains. This was the only combination of chain measurements that would go evenly into both the acre and the mile. Dick Dutton ================================================= Kelvin Kean wrote: > One "section" of land as used througout the entire midwest and seen from > any airplane when flying over the area in clear weather is one square > mile or 640 acres. In other words it's a square with sides one mile long. > So an area that was half a mile wide by 1-3/4 mile long would encompass > something around 600 acres. One can also think of it in terms of square > feet. An acre contains 40,000 square feet, and a square mile 640 times > that or 25,600,000 square feet. Since a mile is 5280 feet long, a plot of > land half a mile by 1-3/4 would contain 2640 ft x 9240 ft or 24,393,600 > square feet which is 609.84 acres. > > Kelvin Kean > Elverson, Chester County, Pennsylvania

One "section" of land as used througout the entire midwest and seen from any airplane when flying over the area in clear weather is one square mile or 640 acres. In other words it's a square with sides one mile long. So an area that was half a mile wide by 1-3/4 mile long would encompass something around 600 acres. One can also think of it in terms of square feet. An acre contains 40,000 square feet, and a square mile 640 times that or 25,600,000 square feet. Since a mile is 5280 feet long, a plot of land half a mile by 1-3/4 would contain 2640 ft x 9240 ft or 24,393,600 square feet which is 609.84 acres. Kelvin Kean Elverson, Chester County, Pennsylvania

Phyllis, My mailing address is Doug Hall 49 Lane Road Chichester, NH 03234 My descent is John Dutton m. Mary Darlington Thomas Dutton m. Lucy Barnard Richard Dutton m. Mary Martin Jonathan Dutton m. Martha Beeson Jonathan Dutton m. Rachel Pennell Nathan Dutton m. Sidney Larkin Frank Dutton m. Martha Caroline Beeson Louisa Belle Dutton m. Lloyd Norris Hall Wallace Dutton Hall m. Alice Zabel Douglas Hall John Dutton Junior's share of the original tract was sold about the time of the Revolutionary War to Robert Hall (my Hall line) and Aaron Mattson. The Hall and Mattson land included that land on which the Mt. Hope Methodist Church sits. By the way Phyllis, I believe that 600 acres of land is approximately 1 square mile. Thus the survey measurement of about 1.75 miles by mile makes sense while the 3 mile width does not. Doug -----Original Message----- From: Phyllis Ryerse <phyllis@webnet.com> To: 'Doug Hall' <doughall@mail.tds.net> Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 1:45 PM Subject: RE: PA-Dutton Trip Pt.4 >Thanks for the kind words, Doug. Glad you're enjoying it. >I've been meaning to ask you...what your line of descent is.....through which son. ?? It's always nice to know which "branch" you're on! > >And if you liked those maps....you'll love the rest of them. >Give me your address and I'll send them on to you. > >Phyllis > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Hall [SMTP:doughall@mail.tds.net] >Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 1:03 PM >To: phyllis@webnet.com; DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: PA-Dutton Trip Pt.4 > >Phyllis >Great stuff!!!! You make it sound exciting! Good info and great writing! >Keep it up!!! >Doug > > >From AVolinsky@SVCNH.COM Thu Oct 15 13:51:22 1998

Best Wishes to all the DUTTON researchers, The Darlington book by Cope (all 693 pages) mentioned by Phyllis (see extract below) is available (if somewhat pricy at US $87.00) from Higginson Book Co. of Salem, MA Dick Dutton ================================================== Phyllis Ryerse wrote: -------------------------------Snip------------------------------- > Now let's talk about Mary (Darlington) Dutton. Since she's our maternal > g-g-?-g-grandmother, her ancestry also becomes important. It appears that > our good friend Gilbert Cope was a prodigious historian and writer. I was > amazed at all the books I encountered that were written by him! (...and > one book of abstracted wills for Chester Co., done in 1896...was gathered > by a James Mortimer Dutton FOR Gilbert Cope....so one of our earlier > cousins was interested in family history too!) Anyhow...Cope wrote a > DARLINGTON Family History....much like the Dutton book. (Actually it's > bigger!) I found it about 10 minutes before the library closed (@#$%) and > could only study it in fast forward! > I believe, however, that it has been copied and is available on microfilm > from Salt Lake. I will check on that. Unfortunately, the book I saw had a > big note on it.....TOO fragile for copying......so I couldn't have copied > anything from it anyhow. > My quick look: The text began in the year 1282 with a John Darlington, the > Arch Bishop of Dublin, Ireland....but mentioned, tongue in cheek, that, > considering the rules of celibacy,,,the family probably descends from a > collateral relative! > It then picks the name up in London in the year 1484...there's a whole > chapter on "Our English Kith and Kin," and it has a coat of arms that says > "some Darlingtons in England make use of the arms as shown." It then jumps > right to the Darlingtons of ASTON!! I caught a glimpse of Job and Mary > Darlington being married at GREAT BUDWORTH (!) It was Job who Cope says > was a brother to Mary (Darlington) Dutton. It goes on to mention briefly > Thomas Rowland of Acton, Cheshire (another family connection?) and there is > a nice section on the Duttons. Here it states that John Dutton's death was > recorded in the Philadelphia Friends minutes...and suggests that he died > there. (I knew I saw that somewhere!) On page 53 it talks about John > Nield....who Mary Dutton married after John Dutton's death. And it > mentions that after the brothers Abraham and John Darlington migrated to > Chester Co. PA (they were Job's sons) ....succeeding generations then moved > westward into West Chester...where even today I drove down Darlington > Street! There is also a little village over that way called > Darlington....the name being as familiar in the area as the Dutton name. ---------------End of message--------------------------

Phyllis Great stuff!!!! You make it sound exciting! Good info and great writing! Keep it up!!! Doug -----Original Message----- From: Phyllis Ryerse <phyllis@webnet.com> To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com <DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:30 PM Subject: PA-Dutton Trip Pt.4 >So if this is all boring to you Mass-Dutton/Dunton folks..... >just hit the ole' delete key. We'll understand!! <grin> > >OK...we're on Concord Road and heading back towards Aston Twp. >As soon as you hit the township line and the Dutton property..... >well, you might as well hear about the SUN OIL COMPANY now as later! >It seems that back in the 1930's Sun Oil bought a whole lot of land >beginning at that place....and on further south into Chichester Twp.and >other areas of the county. On that land, they tore down everything and put >in place .....oh there must be 15 or 20 huge gas/oil storage tanks in this >area alone!! Unbelievable. Yes, some of them on Dutton land! >When you get the big 1998 County map.....you'll see them as black dots >scattered all over the area! They have chain link fences around >them....and the only nifty thing I discovered about them, is that there is >a herd of deer living within those fences.....and I hope you can see the >stag I caught looking at me as I was trying to get a picture before the sun >went down! These particular tanks are on the old Robert Dutton part of the >land. > #11 Sun Oil Tanks >Continuing on down Concord Road you come to a sharp turn in the road on >which corner sits the Mt. Hope Methodist Church. This is where Doug >Hall's father is buried.....and yes, there's no doubt that it is also on >part of the old Dutton land. It was raining hard when I stopped by....so I >didn't get to look for his Dad's grave.....but the cemetery is very >large....so I probably wouldn't have found him anyhow! The cornerstone >says that the church was founded in 1807. It has had many additions and >educational wings added including a very impressive sanctuary. > #12 Mt. Hope >Continuing on down Concord Road you'll pass Neuman College (Catholic). >It covers many acres of rolling hills and retains a natural look (more on >this location later). The next intersection is called Five Points....and is >in an area now called Village Green. I kept reading about that and thought >it must be the park near city hall! But in fact, it's a "neighborhood" and >all directions are given from Five Points and Village Green. The main road >thru this intersection of course, is Route #452. It's the "strip" for gas >stations and McDonalds and grocery stores etc. Nothing colonial or >historical about it at all! This is pure suburbia. <grin> > Now let's talk about John Duttons original land. You've seen it laid out >on the old map.....from the Aston Twp. line on the left side -- across to >the Chester River on the right side. When it was finally surveyed >carefully, it was determined to contain 590 acres. Now then.....Cope says >it was a mile and 3/4's long and half a mile wide. So now I'm >confused......when I look at that section on TODAYs township map......it's >sure longer than 1-3/4 miles. It's more like 3 miles from side to side!! > Is it possible that Cope was only talking about one section of it? Can >anyone tell me how many acres OUGHTA fit into a piece of land that size?? > Of course later maps show additional Dutton acreage, purchased in later >years...on the north side of the west branch of the Chester also. It's >all very confusing. > By the way -- in a little booklet called Aston Township Tricentennial 300 >- it mentions that this area was originally called Northley. In 1686, >Edward Carter, the constable, changed the name from Northley to Aston after >his hometown in Bampton Parish, Oxfordshire, England. So it appears that >John Dutton wasn't responsible for naming the area after all - as we at >first assumed. > Now let's talk about Mary (Darlington) Dutton. Since she's our maternal >g-g-?-g-grandmother, her ancestry also becomes important. It appears that >our good friend Gilbert Cope was a prodigious historian and writer. I was >amazed at all the books I encountered that were written by him! (...and >one book of abstracted wills for Chester Co., done in 1896...was gathered >by a James Mortimer Dutton FOR Gilbert Cope....so one of our earlier >cousins was interested in family history too!) Anyhow...Cope wrote a >DARLINGTON Family History....much like the Dutton book. (Actually it's >bigger!) I found it about 10 minutes before the library closed (@#$%) and >could only study it in fast forward! >I believe, however, that it has been copied and is available on microfilm >from Salt Lake. I will check on that. Unfortunately, the book I saw had a >big note on it.....TOO fragile for copying......so I couldn't have copied >anything from it anyhow. >My quick look: The text began in the year 1282 with a John Darlington, the >Arch Bishop of Dublin, Ireland....but mentioned, tongue in cheek, that, >considering the rules of celibacy,,,the family probably descends from a >collateral relative! >It then picks the name up in London in the year 1484...there's a whole >chapter on "Our English Kith and Kin," and it has a coat of arms that says >"some Darlingtons in England make use of the arms as shown." It then jumps >right to the Darlingtons of ASTON!! I caught a glimpse of Job and Mary >Darlington being married at GREAT BUDWORTH (!) It was Job who Cope says >was a brother to Mary (Darlington) Dutton. It goes on to mention briefly >Thomas Rowland of Acton, Cheshire (another family connection?) and there is >a nice section on the Duttons. Here it states that John Dutton's death was >recorded in the Philadelphia Friends minutes...and suggests that he died >there. (I knew I saw that somewhere!) On page 53 it talks about John >Nield....who Mary Dutton married after John Dutton's death. And it >mentions that after the brothers Abraham and John Darlington migrated to >Chester Co. PA (they were Job's sons) ....succeeding generations then moved >westward into West Chester...where even today I drove down Darlington >Street! There is also a little village over that way called >Darlington....the name being as familiar in the area as the Dutton name. > The History of Chester Co., PA Gen& Biographical record also has >information on the family and succeeding generations...including some b/w >pictures of a couple of the later Darlington men - grumpy looking fellows. >Then there was George E. Darlington, the famous Delaware County lawyer >who I believe served in the State Government. I found mention of him >everywhere. > During a visit to the Chester Co.Hist. Soc. I was able to look at a small >portion of the Gilbert Cope PHOTOGRAPHIC collection.....of some 2500 >pictures he took during his life time.....an unbelievable array of >buildings and wagons and mills and best of all...people. From the good >index I could find only one that caught my interest....titled Mary >Darlington and her daughters. It's very dark but you can see the old >white haired lady sitting on the porch with 3 younger girls. >She must be a 3rd or 4th generation cousin. > #13 Mary Darlington > I also found several long news clips about the Darlington family....one >headlined as follows: "Jesse Darlington, 75, tills the soil deeded by >William Penn - a 293-year Heritage of Farming." It makes for very >interesting reading....and if you would like to see it, you'll have to ask >and I'll mail you a xerox. (He's described as something of an eccentric - >won't buy a mechanized tractor....still plows the fields with a team of old >horses!!) > I also found the original invitation to the wedding reception of Mary >Dutton and Jared Darlington....the gathering to be held at Thomas Dutton's >house on "4th month 7th, 1831." (whatever that means) >Hand written - very quaint.....(copy on request.) > And lastly, I found a really neat little booklet (probably of limited > production) called "The Sesqui-Centennial Gathering of THE CLAN >DARLINGTON." I was able to copy the first 20 or so pages of text but not >the following pages of "who begot whos." It tells about the 1853 gathering >of the family in Chester Co. PA...gives several of the speeches and gives >an interesting overview of the family. Here again, if you have an interest >in the Darlington family.....ask and I'll send you a copy. This a very >rare booklet and there are very few copies to be found. (Hmmm.....I wonder >if the Mormons might have copied it too??? I'll check!) > Think this is enough for today. I'll be away on business over the >weekend but I'll try to get maybe three more stories to you next >week---about (1) Thomas Dutton who lived to be over a hundred years >old....and his house, (2) the search for the Kingsman Dutton house, and (3) >the thrilling story of the Chester Creek FLOOD and how the Dutton mills >washed away with Jonathan hanging on for his life! Hope to have the >picture problems cleared up by then so you can see it all in living color! > ;-) (Let me hear how these 3 come through, Carole!) > We'll talk again......Phyllis > > >

So if this is all boring to you Mass-Dutton/Dunton folks..... just hit the ole' delete key. We'll understand!! <grin> OK...we're on Concord Road and heading back towards Aston Twp. As soon as you hit the township line and the Dutton property..... well, you might as well hear about the SUN OIL COMPANY now as later! It seems that back in the 1930's Sun Oil bought a whole lot of land beginning at that place....and on further south into Chichester Twp.and other areas of the county. On that land, they tore down everything and put in place .....oh there must be 15 or 20 huge gas/oil storage tanks in this area alone!! Unbelievable. Yes, some of them on Dutton land! When you get the big 1998 County map.....you'll see them as black dots scattered all over the area! They have chain link fences around them....and the only nifty thing I discovered about them, is that there is a herd of deer living within those fences.....and I hope you can see the stag I caught looking at me as I was trying to get a picture before the sun went down! These particular tanks are on the old Robert Dutton part of the land. #11 Sun Oil Tanks Continuing on down Concord Road you come to a sharp turn in the road on which corner sits the Mt. Hope Methodist Church. This is where Doug Hall's father is buried.....and yes, there's no doubt that it is also on part of the old Dutton land. It was raining hard when I stopped by....so I didn't get to look for his Dad's grave.....but the cemetery is very large....so I probably wouldn't have found him anyhow! The cornerstone says that the church was founded in 1807. It has had many additions and educational wings added including a very impressive sanctuary. #12 Mt. Hope Continuing on down Concord Road you'll pass Neuman College (Catholic). It covers many acres of rolling hills and retains a natural look (more on this location later). The next intersection is called Five Points....and is in an area now called Village Green. I kept reading about that and thought it must be the park near city hall! But in fact, it's a "neighborhood" and all directions are given from Five Points and Village Green. The main road thru this intersection of course, is Route #452. It's the "strip" for gas stations and McDonalds and grocery stores etc. Nothing colonial or historical about it at all! This is pure suburbia. <grin> Now let's talk about John Duttons original land. You've seen it laid out on the old map.....from the Aston Twp. line on the left side -- across to the Chester River on the right side. When it was finally surveyed carefully, it was determined to contain 590 acres. Now then.....Cope says it was a mile and 3/4's long and half a mile wide. So now I'm confused......when I look at that section on TODAYs township map......it's sure longer than 1-3/4 miles. It's more like 3 miles from side to side!! Is it possible that Cope was only talking about one section of it? Can anyone tell me how many acres OUGHTA fit into a piece of land that size?? Of course later maps show additional Dutton acreage, purchased in later years...on the north side of the west branch of the Chester also. It's all very confusing. By the way -- in a little booklet called Aston Township Tricentennial 300 - it mentions that this area was originally called Northley. In 1686, Edward Carter, the constable, changed the name from Northley to Aston after his hometown in Bampton Parish, Oxfordshire, England. So it appears that John Dutton wasn't responsible for naming the area after all - as we at first assumed. Now let's talk about Mary (Darlington) Dutton. Since she's our maternal g-g-?-g-grandmother, her ancestry also becomes important. It appears that our good friend Gilbert Cope was a prodigious historian and writer. I was amazed at all the books I encountered that were written by him! (...and one book of abstracted wills for Chester Co., done in 1896...was gathered by a James Mortimer Dutton FOR Gilbert Cope....so one of our earlier cousins was interested in family history too!) Anyhow...Cope wrote a DARLINGTON Family History....much like the Dutton book. (Actually it's bigger!) I found it about 10 minutes before the library closed (@#$%) and could only study it in fast forward! I believe, however, that it has been copied and is available on microfilm from Salt Lake. I will check on that. Unfortunately, the book I saw had a big note on it.....TOO fragile for copying......so I couldn't have copied anything from it anyhow. My quick look: The text began in the year 1282 with a John Darlington, the Arch Bishop of Dublin, Ireland....but mentioned, tongue in cheek, that, considering the rules of celibacy,,,the family probably descends from a collateral relative! It then picks the name up in London in the year 1484...there's a whole chapter on "Our English Kith and Kin," and it has a coat of arms that says "some Darlingtons in England make use of the arms as shown." It then jumps right to the Darlingtons of ASTON!! I caught a glimpse of Job and Mary Darlington being married at GREAT BUDWORTH (!) It was Job who Cope says was a brother to Mary (Darlington) Dutton. It goes on to mention briefly Thomas Rowland of Acton, Cheshire (another family connection?) and there is a nice section on the Duttons. Here it states that John Dutton's death was recorded in the Philadelphia Friends minutes...and suggests that he died there. (I knew I saw that somewhere!) On page 53 it talks about John Nield....who Mary Dutton married after John Dutton's death. And it mentions that after the brothers Abraham and John Darlington migrated to Chester Co. PA (they were Job's sons) ....succeeding generations then moved westward into West Chester...where even today I drove down Darlington Street! There is also a little village over that way called Darlington....the name being as familiar in the area as the Dutton name. The History of Chester Co., PA Gen& Biographical record also has information on the family and succeeding generations...including some b/w pictures of a couple of the later Darlington men - grumpy looking fellows. Then there was George E. Darlington, the famous Delaware County lawyer who I believe served in the State Government. I found mention of him everywhere. During a visit to the Chester Co.Hist. Soc. I was able to look at a small portion of the Gilbert Cope PHOTOGRAPHIC collection.....of some 2500 pictures he took during his life time.....an unbelievable array of buildings and wagons and mills and best of all...people. From the good index I could find only one that caught my interest....titled Mary Darlington and her daughters. It's very dark but you can see the old white haired lady sitting on the porch with 3 younger girls. She must be a 3rd or 4th generation cousin. #13 Mary Darlington I also found several long news clips about the Darlington family....one headlined as follows: "Jesse Darlington, 75, tills the soil deeded by William Penn - a 293-year Heritage of Farming." It makes for very interesting reading....and if you would like to see it, you'll have to ask and I'll mail you a xerox. (He's described as something of an eccentric - won't buy a mechanized tractor....still plows the fields with a team of old horses!!) I also found the original invitation to the wedding reception of Mary Dutton and Jared Darlington....the gathering to be held at Thomas Dutton's house on "4th month 7th, 1831." (whatever that means) Hand written - very quaint.....(copy on request.) And lastly, I found a really neat little booklet (probably of limited production) called "The Sesqui-Centennial Gathering of THE CLAN DARLINGTON." I was able to copy the first 20 or so pages of text but not the following pages of "who begot whos." It tells about the 1853 gathering of the family in Chester Co. PA...gives several of the speeches and gives an interesting overview of the family. Here again, if you have an interest in the Darlington family.....ask and I'll send you a copy. This a very rare booklet and there are very few copies to be found. (Hmmm.....I wonder if the Mormons might have copied it too??? I'll check!) Think this is enough for today. I'll be away on business over the weekend but I'll try to get maybe three more stories to you next week---about (1) Thomas Dutton who lived to be over a hundred years old....and his house, (2) the search for the Kingsman Dutton house, and (3) the thrilling story of the Chester Creek FLOOD and how the Dutton mills washed away with Jonathan hanging on for his life! Hope to have the picture problems cleared up by then so you can see it all in living color! ;-) (Let me hear how these 3 come through, Carole!) We'll talk again......Phyllis

I've scanned the maps.....if you can't read them, holler and I'll mail a copy. The first one shows Aston Township in the year 1708 showing the Dutton tract as one big slash clear across the township. Chester Creek is along the right hand border and the West Branch of the Chester T's off to the left along Dutton land. I hope you can read all the neighboring land owners names. This is #7 1708 map The Delaware Co. History books mention bears and other wild animals as well as Indians still living in the area.....but the Duttons braved the wilds and followed the Creek up to their land. It was already fall....and the nights get pretty chilly....I know I was there! Their first order of business was to build themselves some sort of shelter for the winter.....or perhaps one of the other earlier settlers took them in until they had their own house built. I've been fascinated by what Cope says is family tradition that "John built his first house in the meadow near the creek, but being disturbed by floods he removed a few rods farther back and erected his dwelling on a large rock near a small stream off the road which now runs from Rockdale to Village Green. I drove the road from Rockdale to Village Green....and several little side roads around that area......hoping after 315 years....I might catch a glimpse of a large rock in a meadow! <grin> Well, in my head I knew better....but I did look!! Of course, the area does not resemble in any way the land that John Dutton knew. Today the road from Rockdale boasts many houses, a nursery, a florist, an auto mechanic garage, etc.....just what you'd expect in a suburban area. Unless some further bit of info turns up, there's just no way of knowing exactly where he "erected his dwelling." By super-imposing this map on top of a current township map, one CAN however, roughly figure the boundaries of that 500 acre tract. I'll see if I can scan this very large - 1998 twp. map....but if it doesn't work....again, I'll be happy to mail you a copy. (It didn't work-too big. I have a copier--no problem) I also have a great map of Aston showing the early grants and patents. It's very interesting because it goes beyond the Aston boundaries and you can easily find John Kingsman property....one that should be interesting to you Kingsman Dutton descendants. This map is fairly "pale" however and I doubt it will scan....but I'll try it.....and as above, if it doens't work.....I'll mail you one. (It didn't work well.) The last really neat map I have is called Map of the Early Settlements of Delaware Co., PA and is dated 1862. That's almost 200 years later.....and shows all the land owners including many 2nd and 3rd generation Duttons. It covers two 11/17" pages......and I KNOW this isn't gonna scan at all. So.....I'll be pleased to include copies of it also....in your "map" envelope. Any serious study of the early Duttons and their later descendants in this area will benefit from having these in your collection. If you want copies....you'll have to give me your mailing address. And you'll have to be patient till I can get them copied and in the mail.....as soon as I can. Now then, I AM going to scan another small map that shows the 500 acre tract drawn by Isaac Taylor, a surveyor which shows the laying out of the Chester Road through the Dutton property. The Chester Road is called the CONCORD ROAD today and runs from down near the Caleb Pusey house all the way up until it hits Rt.#1 (the Baltimore Pike) at a place called Concordville. Concord Meeting where the Duttons attended is located there and is about 4 miles from the Dutton land. This map will be #8 Concord Rd map. While we're up there near the Meeting House.....let's talk about where the Duttons attended. Early on, soon after they arrived, they attended the Chichester Meeting. I didn't get to see that one....the original burned down and the current one is a more recent vintage.....but it is located somewhere down there closer to the Delaware River in Upper Chichester Twp. I believe. I have the address written down but can't find it at the moment. Now you must learn to pronounce it correctly......not all in one quick syllable like the British would say it....with lots of sh's and s's !!! It is pronounced in TWO distinct syllables, the first sounding like the first part of the word Chinese. So it's CHI - CHESTER!! Now you've got it! The minutes of that meeting hold the name of John Kingsman in many instances. After the Duttons settled down on their land further north, they asked the Meeting if they could attend the Concord Meeting, which was much closer to them. In the days when they probably walked thru Indian paths in the woods to attend Meeting....it would have been much more convenient for them. Apparently permission was given. So let's take a look at Concord Meeting. I can't determine when it was built. It is very large but I don't know if it dates "way" back or not. I'm still researching that one. You can see the graveyard in the back. As you see, the tombstones that are now used are very small and close to the ground. But there are many graves there that are unmarked. You'll remember that Cope on page 36 mentions that "John Dutton (jr.) and Francis Reynolds were appointed to advise against the erection of tombstones and to procure the removal of such as had been placed at graves." That rule apparently has been relaxed or rescinded entirely in more recent times. I'll also send you a picture of the interior of Concord Meeting.....I didn't get inside...but found this in ANOTHER book by Gilbert Cope called The 225th Anniversary of Concord Monthly Meeting of Friends - printed in 1911. This one is called #10 Meeting inside. That's all for now. Next time we'll look at the rest of the Dutton tract...and see what's there today. Phyllis

I nearly forgot to show you the picture of dear old William Penn high atop the City Hall Building on Broad Street, Philadelphia. He's # 6. Last time I was in Philly they had him completely surrounded by scaffolding while they were polishing him up! So he's lookin' pretty good these days. Also wanted to thank Nick in Chester, England.....and Carole in Delaware, Ohio.......for some great reading on my trip up to Pa. Nick sent me the Dutton pages from Ormerod and I copied some pages from Caroles new Dutton web page. Yes.....great reading.....thanks to you both. I spent some quality time at the Delaware Co., PA. Historical Society in Broomall, PA. The librarian there is young, knowledgeable about the county, sharp, funny, and was of immeasurable help. I was the only one in the library that early Monday morning and she devoted nearly 5 hours of undivided attention to helping me find all I could on the Duttons. Mainly I was trying to locate their land.....and what was on it today. To that end, she pulled out an unbelievable array of old maps and got into their collection of photo albums and history books and news clippings and ANYthing that would give us clues to the locations of any old Dutton homes. There was lots of available data there that I chose not to look at....such as birth and death records etc......because, thanks to the Cope book, we've nearly all "done" the genealogy work on our own lines. So I skipped all that and went for everything else!! I'm gonna try to scan these maps.....but if I can't get them to come thru clearly.....I may have to just mail you all xerox copies.

I'm trying to find any information about the following family: A. J. Dutton was born in 1802 in South Carolina. He married Jeannie Pilgrim who was born in 1829. They had 7 children. The fourth one was named John William and was born in 1861. John was supposedly briefly married in 1876 to Amanda Kirksey. John then married again in 1877 and had 6 children, four of which were living in 1893 in Alabama. In the early 1890's, John was convicted of murder and was hung in Georgia in 1893. Supposedly, he was later found to be innocent. If anyone can shed any light on this black sheep in my family, I would greatly appreciate it and will share any information that I have. Thank you, Tracy delius@acpub.duke.edu

OK folks......I'm gonna try to give you a thumbnail sketch of my very fast but exceedingly satisfying trip to Delaware/Chester Counties and to "Dutton Country" last weekend. There's much too much....to tell you about it ALL at one sitting!! If you don't mind, I'm gonna do it in "chapters" - on a daily basis....until I've shared it all. I'll try to follow the Dutton story chronologically, so that you will understand where we are!! When I have pictures to show you of the locations I'm talking about.....I'll number them in the message.....but I'll have to e-mail them to you individually. (If you're interested in seeing them, you must ask to see them and add your e-mail address to my list.) I'll scan them in small jpeg files. I'm so sorry but RootsWeb isn't able to handle attachments on the list. So fasten your seat belts....and here we go!! My first stop was NOT for Duttons ;-)....but rather a quick side trip across the river to New Jersey to look for another one of my other ancestors, Thomas Van Buskirk - in a cemetery that I've longed to visit for years. Thought I'd grab the opportunity while I could.....but had forgotten how much fun the New Jersey Turnpike can be!! Around me at a dizzying speed came an 18 wheeler and about the time we were side by side....he lost the tread off of one of those enormous tires.....which was thrown up and hurled against my just-rented WHITE Nissan Sentra!! It only had about 4000 miles on it....a really great little car that served me very well this whole trip......but NOW, it had this nasty black rubber tire mark down the entire side of it!! From headlight to tail-light!! It also sounded like I had been hit by a tank!! What a way to start this trip!! You'll be happy to know that I stopped at the first PepBoys store I could find.....bought some rubbing compound, begged an old rag from one of those guys.....and out in the parking lot.....on my hands and knees....worked away on that long black ugly mar k.....till I was able to get it all off.....and the rental people were never the wiser!! Thank the Lord it didn't leave any dents! ;-))) (....and I didn't find Thomas Van Buskirk either!! ;-{ So it was back across the Ben Franklin Bridge to Philadelphia. Penn's Landing is a great spot to visit if you're in the area and I have some great pictures.....but since the Duttons got off the ship BEFORE it got to that Philadelphia landing.....we'll skip that stop! SOMEwhere in my research.....I read that John Dutton died while he was in Philadelphia and was buried at the Friends Meeting on Race Street. I'm trying to remember where I got that....so I don't know at this moment if the source was reliable or not. We'll need to look into that a bit more. However, a few months ago, I put a query on the Philadelphia list...asking if there was still a Friends Meeting on Race Street. I got several replies that yes, the Quakers still owned the property between 15th and 16th but that the Meeting was gone and with it any trace of a graveyard. I also learned that for a period of time, the Quakers frowned on any use of tombstones as being too ostentatious so IF he was buried there....he may never have had a stone anyhow. Undaunted.....I drove up Race Street....crossed Broad Street - waved "hello" to William Penn up there high on top of City Hall as I crossed that intersection....and found 12th and Race. The first two pictures #1 and #2 show you what's at that location today. The entire block is covered with this modern brick building.....the FRIENDS CENTER (the Quaker Information Center).....and I think you'll enjoy seeing the lovely piece of sculpture there in their garden entry. That's my little white Sentra in the foreground....after I had cleaned off the black rubber tire marks! The sculpture can be seen in that view....directly above the drivers seat of the car. The person who answered my query told me that the graves in that location were removed to the Friends Western Burial Ground in Upper Darby sometime about 1888. I'm also told that the old Meeting House here on Race Street was closed down in the 1920's. So....if in fact, our John Dutton died and was buried in Philadelphia.....he's no longer there - if he ever was! If you have a Pennsylvania map.....it would be helpful to follow along as we head south on I-95....back past the airport and south along the Delaware River to UPLAND. It doesn't take very long....from the airport it can't be more than 15-20 minutes. (It's close to one of the bridges that crosses over to Jersey.) Before William Penn ...the area was inhabited by a few Swedes and Finns....who called it Oop'tland! Upland Creek flows thru the area (but it is now called Chester Creek.) Now then....the question is whether or not John Dutton and his family arrived on 'The Welcome' with William Penn. It appears that there are more people who claim they were on that ship......than the ship would hold!! An excellent assessment of the subject is found in a book entitled "The Welcome Claimants, Proved, Disproved and Doubtful, with an Account of Some of Their Descendants," Penn's Colony, v.2. by George E.McCracken. A respected historian and scholar, he believes that the Duttons were not on board. Whether they were or not, William Penn's ship did stop briefly at Upland. The location "Penn's Landing" in Upland is designated today by a small park, a memorial stone and a historical plaque. It is located in a badly deteriorated neighborhood of collapsing buildings, burnt out shells of garages and storehouses, abandoned cars.....and heavy industry....not a place I wanted to stay very long! In fact I had been discouraged from even going there at all - and certainly not alone! It was also raining....which made the whole visit very disagreeable. How could they call it Penn's Landing when I couldn't even see any water!! So I drove another block or two and onto the grounds of the Kimberly-Clark plant until I could finally see the Del. River.....and did take a couple of quick pictures out the car window. It's about as ugly a spot as you can dream up. Those long pipes are huge....9 or 10 feet in diameter....and they carry coal into the plant! What a dreadful place!! You can see it all in pictures #3 and #4. My next stop was much more pleasant!! Still in Upland, I found my way to number 15 Race Street. It was up (Chester) creek a ways - in a much nicer part of town! There I found the house of Caleb Pusey. Caleb was a manager and agent for William Penn and built his house as well as a saw and grist mill here - the first to be established by Penn in the new colony. Caleb came here in 1682......and was no doubt acquainted with John Dutton.(Maybe they were all on the same ship!) It's possible that the Dutton's stayed with Caleb and his wife.....maybe in this house....or more likely in a previous temporary dug-out sod house, before they started out on an Indian path to find where their own land had been laid out. The Caleb Pusey house stands beside Race Street, the small road paralleling the millrace that would power his mills. It is the only building still standing which can claim documented association with Wm.Penn and which he is known to have visited on several occasions. It is small....only two rooms.....and NO inside stairs up to the second floor. When it was time for bed, the family climbed a ladder up the outside of the house and pulled the ladder up behind them.......for safety against the Indians who were still living in this area! You can see this house in picture #5. It can also be see at the following website: http://www.cyberhighway.net/~mworley/pusey.htm prepared by a descendant of Caleb Pusey's second wife (by her 1st husband). You'll notice there's also a family connection with Thomas Brassey, another familiar name in the Dutton story. And now it's late.....so that's all for tonight. Tomorrow, we tramp up Chester Creek to Aston Township where Thomas Rowland has laid out some land for John Dutton. Phyllis

Below is an interesting web resource. They contacted me to say that they were adding a link to the "UK in 2K" reunion information. I checked out the site and thought that you all might find it useful. http://www.reunionindex.com/list.html Mike<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ __ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ ___ ___ | \ | | |\ | | / \ |\ | |__| / \ |\/| |_ (_' | | |_ |_| |_| | \| | \_/ | \| | | \_/ | | |__ ,_) | | |__ The Dunton Homesite http://www.web-ster.com/miked/ A member supported genealogy effort. <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~

Two men were walking home after a party and decided to take a shortcut through the cemetery just for laughs. Right in the middle of the cemetery they were startled by a tap-tap-tapping noise coming from the misty shadows. Trembling with fear, they found an old man with a hammer and chisel, chipping away at one of the headstones. "Holy cow, Mister," one of them said after catching his breath, "You scared us half to death -- we thought you were a ghost! What are you doing working here so late at night?" "Those fools!" the old man grumbled. "They misspelled my name!"

Hi Gang.... I'm back from my weekend to Aston Twp.......and what fun it was!! I've much to tell you - and pictures to show - and family stories to share. Not sure all of you are interested in "Pennsylvania John" but I guess you can hit the delete button if you're not. I have gathered some wonderful old maps and news clips about the family. The name Dutton is all over the area....Dutton Road, Dutton Mill Homes, Dutton Mill Road, Dutton Mill Shopping Center!! The story of the Dutton family in that area becomes much more understandable when you can actually see the lay of the land and where the different properties were located and where the Quaker Meeting that they attended was located. Among other stories, I think you'll enjoy seeing/hearing about the landing along the Delaware River where the Duttons disembarked after their long journey from England....and the house of a friend, Caleb Pusey (still standing) where they may have stopped briefly before heading up the Indian Path along the creek to their new land. Unfortunately....for the "rest of the story" you're gonna have to be a little more patient. I leave town again tomorrow on a business "thing" and don't have time to tell you much tonight. But I think it'll be worth the wait! ;-) phyllis ps.....it was COLD in Philadelphia.......glad to get back to warm Atlanta!! ...see ya early next week!

Hi Everyone, I need help. I have Benjamin WILDER b.abt 1804 Hartland, VT married to either two different Lydia DUTTONs or to the same Lydia but she has two different sets of parents. Somehow I don't believe I can have it both ways. Below you will find two family group sheets depicting both situations. Hopefully, someone can tell me "the way it really is." Dick Dutton ================================================== Name: Benjamin WILDER, 5858, M ———————————————————————————— Birth: abt 1804 Hartland, Vt Marriage: 25 Apr 1824 Hartland, Vt ——————————————————————————— Spouse: Lydia DUTTON, 5857, F ————————————————————————————— Birth: 28 Jan 1803 Chester, Vt Father: Benjamin DUTTON, 5840, M (1770-1803) Mother: Lydia CLARK, 5841, F (1770-1852) Research Birth: Vital Statistics and Records-Middlesex,Vt ==================================================== Name: Benjamin WILDER, 3240, M ————————————————————————————— Birth: abt 1804 Hartland, Vt Remarks: Birth: New England Historical Society,Boston Spouse: Lydia DUTTON, 3239, F —————————————————————————————— Birth: Nov 1800 Plainfield, NH Death: 4 Mar 1879 Remarks: Death: New England Historical Society,Boston Father: Silas DUTTON, 3237, M (1764-1858) Mother: Lydia POMEROY, 3238, F (1776-1862) —————————————————————————————— —————————————————————————————— Please report corrections or additions to: Richard A. Dutton 325 Beal Parkway Ft. Walton Beach, FL 32548-3956 850-862-3327 FAX 850-864-1444 Email:rad@emcst.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3BAD6BD92B91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys! I have done a very, very brave thing (considering that my French is so weak) and joined the French mailing list! I received over 150 messages from this LIST <today, my first day.> Awhug!!!! So overwhelming!!! I think that the French have one LIST for the whole country!!!!!! I read French VERY SLOWLY--LABORIOUSLY SLOW!!! (I understand spoken French at a two year old level, to give you an idea of how bad I am); but I have received this forwarded message AND I AM SO EXICTED!!! I just wanted to pass it on! I will keep you informed about what I learn. Carole --------------3BAD6BD92B91 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3619B271.4F76@midohio.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 01:02:21 -0500 From: malisiak@midohio.net Reply-To: malisiak@midohio.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Ward <mjward@hidden-knowledge.com> Subject: Re: Odard References: <3618E449.433AB8DE@hidden-knowledge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike, I am so excited that you have info on Odard. And you write in English! Yea!! :-))) When I saw Wadard's name on the list of warriors who went with Wm the Conqueror, I was so excited. Then I saw that Wadard was a tenet of the Bishop of Bayeux--not our Odard, who was a tenet of Hugh Lupus, in Cheshire, a palatine county. I cannot claim to have researched my family back so far--it was other Dutton's and ancestors who did all the research. Peter Leycester, baronet, published "Leycester's Historical Antiquities," 1673; and Gilbert Cope, "Genealogy of the Dutton Family," 1871, who has linked my ancestors to Odard, Lord of Dutton. But, the problem is that we have two fathers for Odard and know nothing about Odard before he came to England. Odard is listed in the Domesday Book and we trace our ancestors to him. I would be eternally grateful for any information that you can share about Odard. I hope that this Odard, yours and mine, are the same Odard. Looking forward to hearing from you and any info that you can pass on to us, Carole Dutton Malisiak ************** Mike Ward wrote: > Hi, I missed your original post but saw jflanguy's comments in > soc.genealogy.medieval ... The notes I have on Odard are that > he was one of the witnesses of some early documents reprinted in > an Anglo-Norman collection (of the period 1000-1200). I have noted > him originally because of some possible confusion with Wadard, whose > background I was researching. This may or may not be of any help. > > I am truly impressed you have gone back that far! Does Odard have > descendants in England that you have tied to? > > Michael Ward > mjward@hidden-knowledge.com --------------3BAD6BD92B91--

Robert Rood wrote: > Dick, > > I can see why what I sent you would be confusing if John and Alice had no > children. Everything I have on this line I got over the Internet. I > took a quick look to see if I could find my source for the Starkey/Dutton > info, but I couldn't. It may have come from GEDCOM. The same thing has happened to me. Now when I import a gedcom I attach a source citation to each individual telling me it came from a gedcom and where I got the ged. -----------------------------------Snip------------------------------------- > Do you have anything more on the ancestry of Alice Dutton (or John > Starkey, for that matter)? I have nothing for John STARKEY except his name and that he was married to Alice. I do have one child - Raphe/Ralph - for them (I got him from you). Alice is another matter. I have her ancestors back to Adam & Eve. Wellllll, that's a slight exageration but not much. Below you will find an Ahnentafel Report that will take you from her back to John DUTTON m. Margaret ATHERTON which you can then find as generation #30 at the URL below to take you the rest of the way. http://pw1.netcom.com/~curtrowe/duttons_first.html ----------------------------------Snip-------------------------------------------- > Do you live near Ft. Walton Beach? I was a Navcad in Pensacola in the > early '60s. No, I don't live near Ft. Walton Beach, FL - I live IN it. It's a lovely place - when the hurricanes don't come to play. Sounds as if you're an FNG. I graduated class 52F but for the Air Force. Dick Dutton Researching my family tree! Trunk: DUTTON Major branches: ALLEN, BARTLETT, CUTLER, DOGGETT, DUNTEN, DUNTON, JENSON, LAKE, METCALF, PARTRIDGE, REYNOLDS, RICHARDS, SAWYER, SMITH, TRACY, TURNER. Minor branches: ADAMS, ALDEN, BALL, BLACK, BLANCHARD, BREWSTER, BRIMHALL, CARY, COLBURN, HATCH, HOPKINS, HYDE, KIDDER, PERKINS, WARNER, WILLIAMS. Smaller Limbs: ALGER, ANDERSON, CLARK, DAVIS, FRENCH, FULLER, HALL, HARRIS, JOHNSON, KNAPP, McMILLAN, MERRICK, MILLER, MOORE, NELSON PARKER, TUTTLE - And many more. ============================================================= 1 Alice DUTTON, 71369, F. From: Nicolas Blackhurst <nicolas.blackhurst@virgin.net> Alice married John STARKEY, 71372, M. They had one child: i. Raphe/Ralph, 135845, M (-1628) 2 Ralfe/Ralph DUTTON, 2381, M. Born abt 1537. Ralfe/Ralph married Amy TOWNSHEND, 2384, F. They had the following children: i. Rowland, 2385, M (~1560-1649) ii. Hugh, 2386, M iii. Piers, 2387, M iv. Francis, 2388, M (~1564-) v. Richard, 2389, M vi. Robert, 2390, M vii. William, 2391, M viii. Thomas, 2392, M 1 ix. Alice, 71369, F x. Amy, 71376, F xi. Jane, 71402, F xii. Brigett, 71404, F xiii. Jone, 71405, F 4 Sir. Piers DUTTON, 2376, M. Born abt 1485 in of Dutton and Hatton. Piers died in 1558; he was 73. Piers married Elinor/Ellenor LIGH/LEGH/LEIGH, 2377, F. They had the following children: i. Peter, 2378, M (~1500-) ii. Hugh1, 2379, M (~1502-) 2 iii. Ralfe/Ralph, 2381, M (~1537-) iv. Elizabeth, 51793, F v. Alice, 51794, F vi. Katherine, 51795, F vii. Anne, 51796, F viii. Margaret, 51797, F ix. Mary, 51808, F 8 Sir Piers/Peter DUTTON, 2371, M. Born abt 1465. Piers/Peter married Ellenor/Elizabeth FOULESHURST, 2372, F. They had one child: 4 i. Piers, 2376, M (~1485-1558) 16 Piers/Peter DUTTON, 1614, M. Born abt 1445. Piers/Peter married Elizabeth/Margaret GROSVENOUR, 2369, F. They had the following children: 8 i. Piers/Peter, 2371, M (~1465-) ii. Raph/Ralph, 2373, M iii. Richard, 2374, M iv. Randle, 2375, M v. Ellenor, 71339, F 32 John DUTTON, 1681, M. Born abt 1403 in Hatton, Cheshire, England. Occupation: Mayor of Chester. bur.near the pulpit, Waverton Church, Cheshire Eng. Research: Birth: History of Hartford by:Tucker abt 1430 when John was 27, he married Margaret/Mary ATHERTON, 1682, F, in England. They had the following children: i. Richard, 1683, M (~1430-) ii. Cicely, 1616, F (~1434-) iii. Geffrey, 1613, M (~1435-) iv. Ellen, 1617, F (~1436-) v. Elizabeth, 2370, F (~1438-) 16 vi. Piers/Peter, 1614, M (~1445-) vii. John, 71343, M óóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóóó Please report corrections or additions to: Richard A. Dutton 325 Beal Parkway Ft. Walton Beach, FL 32548-3956 850-862-3327 FAX 850-864-1444 Email:rad@emcst.com

Hello Out There!! I had found, when I first bought this book, a man named Odard of Le Pin. He is not our Odard (I wish our Odard was in this book!!) as he lived in Normandy at the time of King Henry son of Duke (King) William, but I was fascinated by him because of his name (I am still stuck on names). Well, now I am thinking (and I wish I knew) that Odard is maybe an old Frank name? Anyway, here is the story on Odard of Le Pin. "After Count Waleran and his followers had been thrown into prison, King Henry razed the tower of Vatteville right to the ground. He next subdued the stronghold of Brionne, by force rather than by voluntary surrender, and he punished by blinding the man who ever since the imprisonment of Count Waleran had been its castellan." (2) Footnote 2: "Orderic mentions three names: Geoffrey of Tourville, Odard of Le Pin, and Luke of La Barre, who was a jester." Carole

To answer Carole's question (see below) I guess I did move! I didn't know that my ISP dropped the support for the old directory structure, but if you still use the http://www.web-ster.com/~miked address, you can get to The Dunton Homesite by dropping the tilde ( ~ ). The "real" address is: http://www.web-ster.com/miked/ Thanks for letting me know Carole. Mike <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ __ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ ___ ___ | \ | | |\ | | / \ |\ | |__| / \ |\/| |_ (_' | | |_ |_| |_| | \| | \_/ | \| | | \_/ | | |__ ,_) | | |__ The Dunton Homesite http://www.web-ster.com/miked/ A member supported genealogy effort. <><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~<><~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: Carole Malisiak [mailto:malisiak@midohio.net] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 5:44 PM To: Michael L. Dunton Subject: Your Web Page Hi Mike, Your web page is not coming in!!! Did you move? I just get a 404 error--file not found!! Carole