At 10:49 AM 01/04/1999 EST, Ray Montgomery (scruffynerfherdr@juno.com) forwarded: >Robert J. O'Hara wrote: > >> The Massachusetts immigrant Thomas DUTTON was apparently born abt 1621 >> in Cheshire, England, and died 22 Jan 1697 in Billerica, Massachusetts. >> He m Susannah PALMER in 1647 in Billerica. In starting to investigate >> this ancestor I have found a number websites (for example >> http://www.web-ster.com/miked/html/d0002/g0000166.htm#I1933) that trace >> Thomas Dutton's ancestry back into the Medieval period through the >> "Duttons of Dutton" in Cheshire. Does anyone here happen to be familiar >> with this line, and can anyone tell me if this is solid or just some >> family historian's fancy from the 19th century? (For all I know the >> Mass immigrant may in fact not be linked to the Dutton family of >> Cheshire at all; that may be where the imagination came in). Pointers >> to recent sources (confirming or debunking) will be welcome. Many >> thanks. [snip] Dear Ray: The line of the Massachusetts Duttons is often traced back to the Duttons of Cheshire, through a line that (depending on where you get it) starts with Thomas Dutton who m. Susannah Palmer, and goes back through his father John whose father was Sir Ralph. None of these connections is proved. PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG! <grin> I would dearly love any solid evidence that Thomas' wife's maiden name was Palmer. I do have a Palmer will, reported in NEHGR, in which a Palmer refers to a relative named Susanna Dutten. (I don't have my sources at hand, and I may be misreporting the will's spelling "Dutten," but the substance is correct.) Since the Duttons of Reading, Massachusetts, are in the ancestry of Joseph Smith the Mormon Prophet, one would think that if the evidence were available it would have been reported. In fact, the latest version of the Personal Ancestral File for the Prophet specifically *removes* the surname Palmer from Thomas Dutton's spouse, as undocumented. This was only after a lively battle between a member of the PAF staff(?) and a persistent, but mistaken, submitter, according to the notes that accompany Susannah's PAF record. The record is now "locked" against further correction without a review. By the way, I too have seen Susannah reported to have married Thomas in Billerica in 1647. That is not possible. The town was not charted by the Massachusetts General Court until almost a decade later, in 1655. Thomas removed from Reading to Woburn in circa 1658, and from Woburn to Billerica in 1669. It is possible that he married Susannah in Lynn, but that is conjecture on my part--nothing more. Thomas' father John is supposed by some to have had a wife, Mary Neeld/Nield, but not only was this Mary most likely married to the John Dutton who settled in Pennsylvania, but I recently read evidence that she married a Neeld/Nield *after* the death of her husband John Dutton. Again, my sources are not readily at hand, but the burden of proof is on making the connection. I have Thomas' birth circa 1619, based on Edward F. Johnson, compiler, "Woburn Records of Births, Deaths, and Marriages 1640-1873," (Woburn: Andrews, Cutler, & Co., 1890), Part III Marriages, pg. 284 in a footnote under surname Tottingham, "In the suit of Capt. Johnson vs. Ensign John Carter, Dec. 1658 ... witnesses were ... Thomas Dutton [aged] about 39 ..." citing "County Court Records, Vol. I., page 161. Dec. 1658." I have his death at 22 January 1686/1687, after Cutter. I would give miscellaneous body parts to be shown primary evidence of the ancestry of Thomas Dutton of Reading, Woburn, and Billerica, Massachusetts in the late 17th Century. I have been looking for a quarter century, and have UNlearned more than I have proved. Hopefully this mournful trend can be reversed. Darrell Darrell A. Martin formerly of the Dutton District in Springfield, Vermont currently in exile in Addison, Illinois darrellm@sprynet.com

Dear Darrel i am sorry but i just forwarded this to the Dutton list from Gen-medieval. my Duttons are from Accomac Co VA and i do not have the first clue about this family Sincerely RAY On Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:16:19 -0600 "Darrell A. Martin" <darrellm@sprynet.com> writes: >At 10:49 AM 01/04/1999 EST, Ray Montgomery (scruffynerfherdr@juno.com) >forwarded: > >>Robert J. O'Hara wrote: >> >>> The Massachusetts immigrant Thomas DUTTON was apparently born abt >1621 >>> in Cheshire, England, and died 22 Jan 1697 in Billerica, >Massachusetts. >>> He m Susannah PALMER in 1647 in Billerica. In starting to >investigate >>> this ancestor I have found a number websites (for example >>> http://www.web-ster.com/miked/html/d0002/g0000166.htm#I1933) that >trace >>> Thomas Dutton's ancestry back into the Medieval period through the >>> "Duttons of Dutton" in Cheshire. Does anyone here happen to be >familiar >>> with this line, and can anyone tell me if this is solid or just >some >>> family historian's fancy from the 19th century? (For all I know >the >>> Mass immigrant may in fact not be linked to the Dutton family of >>> Cheshire at all; that may be where the imagination came in). >Pointers >>> to recent sources (confirming or debunking) will be welcome. Many >>> thanks. > >[snip] > >Dear Ray: > >The line of the Massachusetts Duttons is often traced back to the >Duttons >of Cheshire, through a line that (depending on where you get it) >starts >with Thomas Dutton who m. Susannah Palmer, and goes back through his >father >John whose father was Sir Ralph. None of these connections is proved. >PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG! <grin> > >I would dearly love any solid evidence that Thomas' wife's maiden name >was >Palmer. I do have a Palmer will, reported in NEHGR, in which a Palmer >refers to a relative named Susanna Dutten. (I don't have my sources at >hand, and I may be misreporting the will's spelling "Dutten," but the >substance is correct.) Since the Duttons of Reading, Massachusetts, >are in >the ancestry of Joseph Smith the Mormon Prophet, one would think that >if >the evidence were available it would have been reported. In fact, the >latest version of the Personal Ancestral File for the Prophet >specifically >*removes* the surname Palmer from Thomas Dutton's spouse, as >undocumented. >This was only after a lively battle between a member of the PAF >staff(?) >and a persistent, but mistaken, submitter, according to the notes that >accompany Susannah's PAF record. The record is now "locked" against >further >correction without a review. By the way, I too have seen Susannah >reported >to have married Thomas in Billerica in 1647. That is not possible. The >town >was not charted by the Massachusetts General Court until almost a >decade >later, in 1655. Thomas removed from Reading to Woburn in circa 1658, >and >from Woburn to Billerica in 1669. It is possible that he married >Susannah >in Lynn, but that is conjecture on my part--nothing more. > >Thomas' father John is supposed by some to have had a wife, Mary >Neeld/Nield, but not only was this Mary most likely married to the >John >Dutton who settled in Pennsylvania, but I recently read evidence that >she >married a Neeld/Nield *after* the death of her husband John Dutton. >Again, >my sources are not readily at hand, but the burden of proof is on >making >the connection. > >I have Thomas' birth circa 1619, based on Edward F. Johnson, compiler, >"Woburn Records of Births, Deaths, and Marriages 1640-1873," (Woburn: >Andrews, Cutler, & Co., 1890), Part III Marriages, pg. 284 in a >footnote >under surname Tottingham, "In the suit of Capt. Johnson vs. Ensign >John >Carter, Dec. 1658 ... witnesses were ... Thomas Dutton [aged] about 39 >..." >citing "County Court Records, Vol. I., page 161. Dec. 1658." I have >his >death at 22 January 1686/1687, after Cutter. > >I would give miscellaneous body parts to be shown primary evidence of >the >ancestry of Thomas Dutton of Reading, Woburn, and Billerica, >Massachusetts >in the late 17th Century. I have been looking for a quarter century, >and >have UNlearned more than I have proved. Hopefully this mournful trend >can >be reversed. > >Darrell > >Darrell A. Martin >formerly of the Dutton District in Springfield, Vermont >currently in exile in Addison, Illinois > > darrellm@sprynet.com > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------68665092E2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems as though the Dutton genealogy is under attack! Carole --------------68665092E2C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by mail.midohio.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25001 for <malisiak@midohio.net>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29876; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:55:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:55:53 -0800 (PST) Old-To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:56:54 -0500 From: "Erols" <steppi@erols.com> Message-ID: <76r69i$b8o$1@winter.news.rcn.net> Sender: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L-request@rootsweb.com References: <368EE8D9.1D7F@uncg.edu> Subject: Re: DUTTONs of Cheshire and Massachusetts Resent-Message-ID: <"c558WC.A.zQH.-yRk2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/17311 X-Loop: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L-request@rootsweb.com The descent of the Duttons - mostly of Pennsylvania, apparently Quakers, is discussed in The American Genealogist, (66), 65/73 I assume this means one of the issues in 1966. I believe that the author concluded that any link with the gentry Duttons was based on "careless reading of the sources." good luck in your quest, --------------68665092E2C--

I am in full agreement with Robert O'Connor in regard to the total implausibility of the link between John Dutton of MA and any known line in the Duttons of Dutton. I too have inquired as to the source of any information that would provide some basis for what is indicated as fact. Certainly John Dutton came from England. Probably he is part of the Duttons of Cheshire. But there is no proof that anyone has offered as to any particular link to what is know of that family in England. Until such time as there is a factual basis for making such a link, I suggest that web pages that indicate such a link are completely misleading. Too many new researchers are ready and willing to accept whatever they have found on a website as already proven nd include it in the new genealogy that they are building. The internet is a great tool for genealogy. Iy speeds research immeasurably. But it can speed the dissemination of erroneous information just as much as good information. I am afraid that the John-Dutton-of-MA-link-back-to-England is a prime example within Dutton research where the internet is disseminating totally unproven - and probably erroneous - assertions. What should we do to avoid this kind of problem? Doug -----Original Message----- From: ray montgomery <scruffynerfherdr@juno.com> To: DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com <DUTTON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 10:52 AM Subject: "Robert O'Connor" <roconnor@es.co.nz>: Re: DUTTONs of Cheshire and Massachusetts >--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- >From: "Robert O'Connor" <roconnor@es.co.nz> >To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: DUTTONs of Cheshire and Massachusetts >Date: 3 Jan 1999 23:49:21 GMT >Message-ID: <01be3774$6081b5c0$44804dd1@default> >References: <368EE8D9.1D7F@uncg.edu> > >The website to which you have referred and many others that I have come >across on the Net show the father of the Massachusetts immigrant Thomas >Dutton as on John Dutton & his wife Mary Neeld. They go on to record >that >this John was born in 1596 & died in 1693 at Reading, MA. The connection >is supposedly made to the Duttons of Dutton through the Sherborne branch >of >the family by making this John the son of Sir Ralph Dutton d 1646 of the >Sherborne line. > >This connection must be entirely FALSE as Sir Roger Dutton d 1646 was in >fact baptised 13 Dec. 1601 at Sherborne - he could therefore NOT be the >father of a man born in 1596. > >I have pointed this chronological problem to a number of the owners of >the >websites that make this connection - but they continue to make the >connection. > >My interest in the Dutton family relates to the family of the name >settled >at Chipping Campden in Gloucestershire - the earliest being John Dutton >whose daugther Rose was baptised there in 1645. My John may have been of >the Northleach family of the same name, whose earliest ancestor Thomas >Dutton d 1602 refers to land he owned at Sherborne thus indicating a >substantive connection with the Sherborne line. > >I have put together a genealogy of the Dutton, of Dutton line (including >the Sherborne branch) and would be happy to send it to you should you >wish. > It is a MS Word 97 file. Please advise > >Cheers >Robert O'Connor > > > > > > >Robert J. O'Hara <rjohara@uncg.edu> wrote in article ><368EE8D9.1D7F@uncg.edu>... >The Massachusetts immigrant Thomas DUTTON was apparently born abt 1621 >in Cheshire, England, and died 22 Jan 1697 in Billerica, Massachusetts. >He m Susannah PALMER in 1647 in Billerica. In starting to investigate >this ancestor I have found a number websites (for example >http://www.web-ster.com/miked/html/d0002/g0000166.htm#I1933) that trace >Thomas Dutton's ancestry back into the Medieval period through the >"Duttons of Dutton" in Cheshire. Does anyone here happen to be familiar >with this line, and can anyone tell me if this is solid or just some >family historian's fancy from the 19th century? (For all I know the >Mass immigrant may in fact not be linked to the Dutton family of >Cheshire at all; that may be where the imagination came in). Pointers >to recent sources (confirming or debunking) will be welcome. Many >thanks. > >Bob O'Hara (rjohara@uncg.edu) >Experimental genealogy site: http://strong.uncg.edu/gen.html > > >--------- End forwarded message ---------- > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >

--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: kaboodle@worldnet.att.net To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: DUTTONs of Cheshire and Massachusetts Date: 3 Jan 1999 21:36:08 GMT Message-ID: <368FDE8E.249DD7EC@worldnet.att.net> References: <368EE8D9.1D7F@uncg.edu> Robert J. O'Hara wrote: > The Massachusetts immigrant Thomas DUTTON was apparently born abt 1621 > in Cheshire, England, and died 22 Jan 1697 in Billerica, Massachusetts. > He m Susannah PALMER in 1647 in Billerica. In starting to investigate > this ancestor I have found a number websites (for example > http://www.web-ster.com/miked/html/d0002/g0000166.htm#I1933) that trace > Thomas Dutton's ancestry back into the Medieval period through the > "Duttons of Dutton" in Cheshire. Does anyone here happen to be familiar > with this line, and can anyone tell me if this is solid or just some > family historian's fancy from the 19th century? (For all I know the > Mass immigrant may in fact not be linked to the Dutton family of > Cheshire at all; that may be where the imagination came in). Pointers > to recent sources (confirming or debunking) will be welcome. Many > thanks. I can't vouch for whether Thomas Dutton was of the well-known Cheshire Dutton family, But Obadiah Bruen, immigrant to Connecticut, certainly was. His 5th great grandfather, Sir John Dutton, died 1445. See TAG, Vol. 26 (1950), pp. 12-25, for an article by the great Jacobus himself on the subject. Jacobus was a Bruen descendant, as am I. Robert Abell, of Massachusetts, and Mary Mainwaring, immigrant to Maryland, also have this Dutton ancestry. See Faris for these lines. John Steele Gordon --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: "Robert O'Connor" <roconnor@es.co.nz> To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: DUTTONs of Cheshire and Massachusetts Date: 3 Jan 1999 23:49:21 GMT Message-ID: <01be3774$6081b5c0$44804dd1@default> References: <368EE8D9.1D7F@uncg.edu> The website to which you have referred and many others that I have come across on the Net show the father of the Massachusetts immigrant Thomas Dutton as on John Dutton & his wife Mary Neeld. They go on to record that this John was born in 1596 & died in 1693 at Reading, MA. The connection is supposedly made to the Duttons of Dutton through the Sherborne branch of the family by making this John the son of Sir Ralph Dutton d 1646 of the Sherborne line. This connection must be entirely FALSE as Sir Roger Dutton d 1646 was in fact baptised 13 Dec. 1601 at Sherborne - he could therefore NOT be the father of a man born in 1596. I have pointed this chronological problem to a number of the owners of the websites that make this connection - but they continue to make the connection. My interest in the Dutton family relates to the family of the name settled at Chipping Campden in Gloucestershire - the earliest being John Dutton whose daugther Rose was baptised there in 1645. My John may have been of the Northleach family of the same name, whose earliest ancestor Thomas Dutton d 1602 refers to land he owned at Sherborne thus indicating a substantive connection with the Sherborne line. I have put together a genealogy of the Dutton, of Dutton line (including the Sherborne branch) and would be happy to send it to you should you wish. It is a MS Word 97 file. Please advise Cheers Robert O'Connor Robert J. O'Hara <rjohara@uncg.edu> wrote in article <368EE8D9.1D7F@uncg.edu>... The Massachusetts immigrant Thomas DUTTON was apparently born abt 1621 in Cheshire, England, and died 22 Jan 1697 in Billerica, Massachusetts. He m Susannah PALMER in 1647 in Billerica. In starting to investigate this ancestor I have found a number websites (for example http://www.web-ster.com/miked/html/d0002/g0000166.htm#I1933) that trace Thomas Dutton's ancestry back into the Medieval period through the "Duttons of Dutton" in Cheshire. Does anyone here happen to be familiar with this line, and can anyone tell me if this is solid or just some family historian's fancy from the 19th century? (For all I know the Mass immigrant may in fact not be linked to the Dutton family of Cheshire at all; that may be where the imagination came in). Pointers to recent sources (confirming or debunking) will be welcome. Many thanks. Bob O'Hara (rjohara@uncg.edu) Experimental genealogy site: http://strong.uncg.edu/gen.html --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Just in case anyone missed Audrey's e-mail address, here it is. auparo@hotmail.com Bessie

At 04:29 PM 12/31/1998 -0600, Dick Dutton wrote: >Hi Bessie, >Below is a family group report on the only Chandler I have in my records. > >Since Chandler is (was?) my 5th cousin 3 times removed (5C3R), I also would >appreciate the address of a potential new living cousin. > >Dick Dutton > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > >Name: Chandler DUTTON >————————————————————————————————————————————— >Birth: 19 Dec 1802 Grafton, Vt >Death: Canada >Father: Perley DUTTON (1778-1851) >Mother: Rodha LOVELAND (1785-) >Spouse: Laura FARRA Birth: abt 1810 [etc.] Dick, and everybody: It's pretty obvious that "Dick's" Chandler Dutton and "mine" are the same person. I thought for one hot minute that his presence in the state of Georgia might have been a mistake for Georgia, Vermont (on Lake Champlain). Then I reread the message about where he was in the census records. Guess not! Funny how if you get information on enough people, even some of the least common names are bound to repeat. There is a moral here for all genealogists, I think. <big grin> BTW, I got sent to Vietnam by mistake, instead of being assigned to an instructor's post in General Supply, because another Darrell A. Martin in the same unit put in a transfer to go back to Southeast Asia and the Company Clerk messed up. (They ended up sending all three of us . . .) Darrell Formerly of Springfield, Vermont Currently in Exile in Addison, Illinois darrellm@sprynet.com

Dear Family Well our little Emily arrived on Thursday morning. A beautiful little girl with long fingers, a crumpled little face, and with longish fair hair. Thank you for all you good wishes. Oh yes her second name is Chantelle - after her mom. Chantelle arrived home with her yesterday - I always remember the drives from hospital that I had with my newborn children and how tense I was in case we had an accident. Paul called in here for breakfast before going to fetch Chantelle and Emily and I told him that the drive home from hospital is amongst my most vivid memories of my children's births. He retorted saying that he was not in the least concerned about this because he had been driving Emily around for nine months already. Anyway they arrived home without mishap and then the visitors started to arrive to have a real good look at the baby. Vanessa, Mom, Marinda (Chantelle's mother) and I led the charge - followed by Sally and her two girls who did not even have time to greet us in their rush to see the baby. Marinda has cried with happiness since Emily's birth. One just has to mention the baby and she bursts into tears. She has taken leave to spend the first few days with Chantelle and the baby. Mom has been thrilled with the new baby and almost melts when she gets to hold her. Emily is a short baby only 49cm long compared to my other grandchildren who were all about 60cm. Both Paul and Chantelle are tall so it is going to be interesting to see in years to come whether she will be tall or not. On Saturday afternoon Mom and Vanessa went down to the hospital to see Chantelle and Emily. There was a chair next to the bed and naturally Mom sat on it. About half way through the visit a young man and his girlfriend, who are friends of Paul's, arrived to visit. Everyone was astounded when Mom stood up and offered her chair to this young man. He of course was horrified and very embarrassed and refused Mom's offer - but he was not off the hook yet - Mom insisted that he should sit down. He steadfastly and resolutely refused. Mom, not to be outdone, would not sit on the chair either and so for the rest of the visit the chair remained unoccupied. This young guy must have thought that he looked very frail for this old granny to offer her chair to him. A few minutes ago while busy typing this Mom came into the office and patted me on the shoulder and said, "shame Frank you are not feeling well, I will buy you a tonic." I was quite amazed and amused and had to refrain from laughing. As mom walked off I thought that I should ask her what tonic she would buy - I bet it will be Cod Liver Oil and Malt. It was quite weird because this little conversation took me back to my childhood - and perhaps that is where Mom was. Mom is always very concerned about everyone. All for now Frank

Hello I am a Dutton from South Africa. I chasing Duttons from Walsall. William baptised 1703, Walsall Parish Church, married Marjorie. Son of William and Ann of Bloxwich Joseph baptised 1731 Walsall Parish Church, married Mary. Son of William and Marjorie. John baptised 1760 Walsall Parish Church, Son of Joseph and Mary. Married Mary Hoolin 13th May 1781. Both from Walsall. William baptised 1782 Walsall Parish Church. Son of John and Mary. Married Ann Robinson at St Martins Church, Birmingham on 9 June 1799. Harvey born 29.3.1818. Son of William and Ann. Married Ann Jane Elliot St Martins in the Field, London on 19.8.1841 Charles Adolphus born on 9.4.1844 at Hill Top, west Bromwich. Second son of Harvey and Ann. Married Helen Stokes 26 June 1876. Does this tie in with anybody else? If so I would like to hear from you! Regards Frank Dutton

Dear Family Mom had a wonderful day on Thursday. She finally got up to Howick and saw her sisters. She arrived home after dark at about 17h30 tired, but thoroughly invigorated - her eyes shinning with absolute happiness and joy. Terry on his wanderings had called in to see us on Thursday. It was so nice to see him and he had a long visit with Mom while the rest of us dashed in and out between tasks. He told us he was going up to Howick the following day to meet Ian Player and that he would like to take Mom up to visit her sisters while he had his lunch with Ian. Fortunately Helen and Ruth had no prior arrangements so it was a perfect arrangement. The visit was like a tonic for mom. She saw most of her friends from Howick, had a prayer meeting and generally had a good time - especially reconnecting with Helen and Ruth. So to Terry, Helen and Ruth - a very special thanks for giving mom such a nice treat. On Friday mom was still a bit tired but was able to have long rests and was soon fully recovered. I was bitten on the chest by a dog that did not look too kosher on Thursday. The attack was completely unexpected and happened so quickly that I did not even get a fright. This dog just launched itself at me - I just saw this brindle torpedo coming up at me and managed to shove it away, but not before it had sunk his teeth into some of my prized flesh, leaving three neat puncture wounds and some bruising. Local people yelled at the dog and chased it away. The drama of this is being medically treated. Apart from tetanus - I now have to undergo a whole range of rabies injections. The bother of going in to have a jab every few days is time I can ill afford - but will make certain that I do it, as I don't want a rabid death. The bite itself has healed well. I have not suffered any side effects from the injections yet, although I have been warned that they will make me feel quite ill. All for now Love Frank

Genealogy My family coat of arms ties at the back....is that normal? My family tree is a few branches short! All help appreciated My ancestors must be in a witness protection program! Shake your family tree and watch the nuts fall! My hobby is genealogy, I raise dust bunnies as pets. How can one ancestor cause so much TROUBLE?? I looked into my family tree and found out I was a sap.. I'm not stuck, I'm ancestrally challenged I'm searching for myself; Have you seen me? If only people came with pulldown menus and on-line help... Isn't genealogy fun? The answer to one problem, leads to two more! It's 1998... Do you know where your-Great-G. Grandparents are? A family reunion is an effective form of birth control A family tree can wither if nobody tends it's roots A new cousin a day keeps the boredom away After 30 days, unclaimed ancestors will be adopted Am I the only person up my tree... sure seems like it Any family tree produces some lemons, some nuts and a few bad apples Ever find an ancestor HANGING from the family tree? FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records. Gene-Allergy: It's a contagious disease, but I love it Genealogists are time unravelers Genealogy is like playing hide and seek: They hide... I seek! Genealogy: Tracing yourself back to better people "Crazy" is a relative term in my family A pack rat is hard to live with, but makes a fine ancestor I want to find ALL of them! So far I only have a few thousand I Should have asked them BEFORE they died! I think my ancestors had several "Bad heir" days I'm always late. My ancestors arrived on the JUNEflower Only a Genealogist regards a step backwards, as progress Share your knowledge, it is a way to achieve immortality Heredity: Everyone believes in it until their children act like fools! It's an unusual family that hath neither a lady of the evening or a thief. Many a family tree needs pruning Shh! Be very, very quiet.... I'm hunting forebears. Snobs talk as if they had begotten their own ancestors! That's strange: half my ancestors are WOMEN! I'm not sick, I've just got fading genes Genealogists live in the past lane Cousins marrying cousins: Very tangled roots! Cousins marrying cousins: A non-branching family tree Alright! Everybody out of the gene pool! Always willing to share my ignorance.... Documentation...The hardest part of genealogy Genealogy: Chasing your own tale! Genealogy...will I ever find time to mow the lawn again? That's the problem with the gene pool: NO Lifeguards I researched my family tree... and apparently I don't exist! SO MANY ANCESTORS...........................SO LITTLE TIME!

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F67F1A46B40F0B957E47FA27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dick, Darrel, Randy:  I am forwarding a correspondence I had recently regarding a Chandler Dutton.  It doesn't look like this is the same Chandler because this one was in Gwinnett and Gordon Co, Ga. and looks like he died there.  I wasn't able to help Audrey out with my Southern Duttons files although I did send her information on a William Dutton who was also in Gwinnett Co. Ga. in 1850.  Feel free to contact Audrey as she is anxious to find the parents of her Chandler, if you are able to help her. Bessie:  If Audrey is not the person you have been in contact with, just disregard this.  Susie --------------F67F1A46B40F0B957E47FA27 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from thunder.ipa.net (thunder.ipa.net [205.218.170.21]) by dogbert.ipa.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA28251 for <oldolls@pop.ipa.net>; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:34:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from hotmail.com (f263.hotmail.com [207.82.251.154]) by thunder.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA28086 for <oldolls@ipa.net>; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:34:43 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 13041 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 1998 19:34:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19981210193417.13040.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.42.150.35 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:34:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.42.150.35] From: "Audrey Rogers" <auparo@hotmail.com> To: oldolls@ipa.net Subject: Re: Chandler Dutton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:34:16 EST Hello Sue, Thank you for responding to my query. I don't have very much info on Chandler Dutton as yet. I have him on some Gordon County, GA. census records, but was wondering where to go from there. Thanks for telling me where he was in 1850. Do you have any info on what his parents names were? Do you have any info on what his wife's maiden name was? I believe her father was born in SC also. Would you happen to have a death date on Chandler? I have him on the 1880 census, but his wife is listed as a widow on the 1900 census. Chandler was my great-great- grandfather. Looking forward to hearing from you again soon. Thank you for any help you can give. Audrey > >Audrey:=A0 I saw your post (just posted today!) on GenForum.=A0 I have do= >ne >alot of research in Georgia on my own Duttons.=A0 My 5th ggrandfather, >Jeremiah Dutton, b. abt 1740 in pr. Va. was in Greenville Co. S.Carolina >by 1773-1797.=A0 Prior to 1800 he and any children had scattered toward >the West.=A0 Some of these Duttons, although not my direct line went into >Georgia and I have been trying to make some connection for some time >now. > >In 1850 your Chandler was in Gwinnett Co and by 1870 he was abt 45 and >in Gordon County, is that what you have???=A0 I've no idea if or how he >might connect to my Duttons, but when I saw that you have him born in >S.C. it piqued my interest.=A0 I think some of my Greenville Co. Duttons >went into Anderson Co. S.C./Ebert Co. Ga. shortly after 1800.=A0 If you >will send me as much info as you have on Chandler perhaps we can find a >connection!=A0 Sue Dutton Rodgers > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------F67F1A46B40F0B957E47FA27--

Hi Bessie, Below is a family group report on the only Chandler I have in my records. Since Chandler is (was?) my 5th cousin 3 times removed (5C3R), I also would appreciate the address of a potential new living cousin. Dick Dutton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Chandler DUTTON ————————————————————————————————————————————— Birth: 19 Dec 1802 Grafton, Vt Death: Canada Father: Perley DUTTON (1778-1851) Mother: Rodha LOVELAND (1785-) Spouse: Laura FARRA Birth: abt 1810 ————————————————————————————————————————————— Children ————————————————————————————————————————————— 1 M: Hiram DUTTON Birth: abt 1830 ————————————————————————————————————————————— 2 M: Carleton DUTTON Birth: abt 1832 ————————————————————————————————————————————— 3 M: Allen DUTTON Birth: abt 1834 ————————————————————————————————————————————— 4 M: Edward Clover DUTTON Birth: 20 Feb 1836 Spouse: Emma SPRAUGE Marriage: 10 Aug 1863 ————————————————————————————————————————————— 5 F: Ellen DUTTON Birth: abt 1838 Death: bef 1890 ————————————————————————————————————————————— 6 F: Jane DUTTON Birth: abt 1840 Death: bef 1890 ————————————————————————————————————————————— 7 F: Susan DUTTON Birth: abt 1842 Spouse: A. H. WOODRUFF Notes for Chandler DUTTON Birth: Vital Statistics and Records-Middlesex,Vt. —————————————————————————————————————————————

Hello Sue, Yes, this is the same person that I have been in touch with. I am glad she is already in touch with, as you do be the person that has all the info. :) I was just getting ready to set down and send her all these e-mail addys. I told you this was the best list in the world. <BG> Bessie

Bessie, Sorry, no Chandler Dutton in my database either. Regards, Cuz Laurie

Hi, I have information on Chandler Dutton and his family. Would you please let me know who's looking for it so I may do a little information swap. I wouldn't want to pass up a chance to had another cousin to my file you know. Randy Lilley

At 09:34 PM 12/30/1998 EST, BIZETTA@aol.com wrote: >Howdy Cuzzies, > >Do any of you have a Chandler Dutton in your database? [snip] Hi, Bessie: I have Chandler DUTTON, son of Perley DUTTON and Rhoda -----. Chandler was born before 18 October 1807, the date on which his parents, his brother Willard, and he, were "warned out" of Rockingham, Vermont. Chandler's father Perley was baptized 13 October 1778 in Rockingham; it appears he had moved out of town and had returned with his family, but that's a guess. I trace the line as follows: Chandler DUTTON ca.1805?--? Perley DUTTON bap.1778--? Thomas DUTTON 18 Mar 1749/50 Lunenburg, MA--? Thomas DUTTON 28 Aug 1713 Billerica, MA--? Thomas DUTTON 2 Aug 1681 Billerica, MA--4 Aug 1759 Westford, MA Thomas DUTTON 1648 Mass.--aft.1721 Mass. Thomas DUTTON ca.1619 prob. England--22 Jan 1686/7 Mass. The last listed Thomas (not very creative with the names, were they?) was the "famous" Thomas of Reading, Woburn, and Billerica, Mass., from whom so many of us are descended. If this looks promising, say so, and I'll see what else I can dig up. My primary source for the later generations is Peck's "Vital Records of Rockingham, Vermont" and "Records of the First Church of Rockingham, Vermont" republished in one volume by the Genealogical Society of Vermont in 1994. Darrell Formerly of Springfield, Vermont Currently in Exile in Addison, Illinois darrellm@sprynet.com

Howdy Cuzzies, Do any of you have a Chandler Dutton in your database? I checked mine and didn't find anyone named Chandler. I have very little information on him. Someone is trying to trace his family, and I drew a blank. So I thought I would come to the best list in the world and ask the best Cousins in the world. <G> Hope you all have a Happy New Year. Bessie

So, Jennifer, you are back to me again!!� My Duttons were the only Duttons that I know of in S.Carolina.� And I don't remember what I have sent you already.� So here it is (again, if I've already written you this): First I will send you a copy of land and court records then elaborate on Jeremiah and Daniel.� I really believe that your Henry is connected to Daniel's children who went to Elbert/Hart Co. in early 1800s.� Some of them were across the state line in Anderson Co. S.C.also. ������ SOUTH CAROLINA CENSUS INFORMATION Note:� Prior to 1773 land records, Jeremiah resided in Botetourt County, Va. where he was listed on a Tithables List in 1771 and had a land grant.��� In file. Revolutionary War records for Jeremiah Dutton lists residence in Spartanburg Co., S.C.� I have seen Jeremiah's name spelled Doulton, and Dolton on several Rev.War Indexes.� His records however read Dutton. 1779 Dist. 96th, South Carolina Census: Jeremiah Dutton listed.� No family information given but does establish his residence in S.C.� Land records for Jeremiah begin in 1773 in Spartanburg Co. See below for land record information. 1790 S.C Key code:� Five categories:� (l)� free white males over 16 incl. head of household ����� (2) free white males UNDER 16 ����� (3) free white females incl. heads of household ����� (4) all other free, mulatto, blacks and Native Americans ����� (5) slaves GREENVILLE, S. CAROLINA 1790 Census information on: �Jeremiah Dutton� 03� 00� 03� 00� 00�� page 69 of census records Conclusion:� In 1790 Jeremiah had the following children residing with him: ��� 2 males over 16 plus himself = 03� Known sons:� Samuel and John (b. abt 1775) ��� 0 males under 16 ��� 2 females plus a wife�������������� =03 Total of 4 children still living at home.� In 1790 Jeremiah would have been abt. 40-45 years old, so it is� conceivable that there were older children not living at home anymore since Jeremiah and Daniel were the only ones appearing on the S.C. census.� It is possible that older children had moved out of S.C. but that remains to be seen. In that same census appears: �Daniel Dutton� 02� 01� 02� 00� 00 Conclusion:� In 1790 Daniel had the following children residing with him: ��� 1 male over 16 plus himself = 02�� page 69 of census record ��� 1 male UNDER 16���������������� = 01 ������������������ 1 female plus a wife������������� = 02 NOTES: The male child over 16 would have been born bef. 1774.� The male child under 16 had to have been born between 1775 and 1790.� The female child could have been born whenever!� The 1790 Census records do not provide much information. The assumption is made at this point that Jeremiah and Daniel were brothers.� It should be noted here that I have a land record in 96th District of Greenville Co., for James Dutton for 100 acres on the middle Tyger River on Beaver Dam Creek near where Daniel Dutton lived.� James did not purchase the land until 1792, which could explain why James did not appear on the 1790 census.� If that were the case, it would be probable that he is the one male over 16 living with Daniel on that census.� OR, he may have just been passed over when the census was taken and been a brother to Jeremiah and Daniel. Note:� I am exploring the possibility that two Duttons, James and Thomas, who participated in the 1805 Georgia Land Lottery from Elbert County, Ga. were sons of Daniel.� Elbert County adjoins Abbeville County, S.C. and was in close proximity to Greenville and Spartanburg Counties where Jeremiah and Daniel were in 1790.� LAND RECORDS IN GREENVILLE AREA, S. CAROLINA FOR DUTTONS.� Unless otherwise noted, the following records were drawn from (and copies are in file) hands-on research at County courthouses in both Spartanburg and Greenville Counties, S. Carolina, done by Ben Dutton, one of my primary contributors and a descendant of Jeremiah/John/Elias Dutton. 1773 Spartanburg Co., 200 acres both sides of Peter's Creek, a branch of the Pacolet River. �After NC/SC line re-surveyed in 1775 land was re-registered in South Carolina. �SC Memorials, Vol. 2, p. 271� Jeremiah Dutton 1783 96th District, Abbeville County.� Estate papers where Jeremiah Dutton was appointed �as the appraiser for the estate of John Lark. 1784 96th District, Abbeville County.� Estate papers of Charles Lucas shows Jeremiah Dutton �bought two pair of hinges. 1785 96th District, Spartanburg County.� Deed #231, Jeremiah (Dutton) Dolton sold 200 acres �to John Connor.� Land was located on Peter's Creek on the Pacolet River.� A wife, Sarah, �was mentioned in the paperwork. 1787 Greenville County.� Jeremiah and Sarah Dutton sell 220 acres to George Salmon.� Land �located on both sides of Tyger River.� Book A, pp 61-64 1787 Greenville County.� Jeremiah and Sarah Dutton sell 200 acres to John Childress.� Land �located on both sides of South Tyger River on Beaver Dam Creek.� Book A, pp. 65-68 1792 Greenville County.� Jeremiah Dutton signed a petition along with son� Samuel and brother �Daniel.� SCMAR 1793 Greenville County.� Deed of gift to son, Samuel Dutton (in April).� Rescinded in �December 1793.� Witnessed by Daniel Dutton.� Book C., pp. 309-310, and p. 408-9. 1794 Greenville County.� Jeremiah Dutton sells 300 acres to Robert Carter (Land was original �grant to Uriah Connor, sold to Jeremiah in 1785).� Land location:� both sides of South �Fork of Tyger River, above the Ancient Boundary Line, called the King's Improvement. �Witness:� Samuel Dutton.� Sarah Dutton releases dower.� Book D, pp. 1 and 2. 1785-1799 Spartanburg County Minutes of County Court by Brent Holcomb: � Has entries for Jeremiah and Daniel Dutton. OTHER CIVIL PROCEEDINGS other than Jeremiah Samuel Dutton: � 1792 Greenville County., signed petition with Jeremiah and Daniel.� SCMAR. 1792 Greenville County.� witness, Book D., pp 1-2 James Dutton: 1792 96th District, Greenville County.� 100 acres on the Middle Tyger River �on Beaver Dam Creek, near Daniel. Daniel Dutton 1787 and 1788 Greenville County, witness, Book A-F, 1705-1802. 1789 96th District, Greenville County, granted 185 acres on branch of Wild �Cat Creek on Tyger River 1794 Greenville Co., sells 185 acres to John Stanford, branch of Wild Cat Creek �on Tyger River, Book D., pp. 174-175. Baxley Dutton 1794-1802 Greenville County Deed books D, E, and F. listed as a witness. (I have not found Baxley ANYWhere after this and have not connected him to my Duttons, but feel sure he is.) Dempsey Dutton 1822 Abbeville County.� A will by Dempsey Davis mentions wife Elizabeth, �daughter, Caroline, and a nephew, Dempsey Dutton.� pp 128-129. �Davis, Dempsey Box 25, Pack 565.� Will dated Aug 30 1822 in Abbeville Dist.� Proved �Oct 7 1822 Executor:� Patrick Calhoun.� Witnesses:� Wm Carson, H. Reid, Eli Giddings. �Wife, Elizabeth.� Daughter, Caroline Davis.� Nephews:� Vincent Woods, Dempsey �Dutton. �Theory:� Elizabeth is a dau/sister to Daniel and/or Jeremiah. Note:������ Dempsey Dutton, b. abt 1812 in Georgia is found on the 1850 KY Census Record in �Russell County.� (Another Dempsey Dutton is found on the 1850 Meriwhether Co. GA.) � �Russell County, KY 1850 census records. �Dempsey, age 38, wife Elizabeth age 39, Ch.� Artimissa 19; Nancy 15; � Lucinda 16; James 12; William 10; Christian (m) 8;� Martain 6. � South Carolina 1800 CENSUS RECORDS Jeremiah nor Daniel appear on this record.� The only Duttons were: John Dutton in Abbevile, 96th District.� This district also includes: �Edgefield, Newberry, Laurens and Spartenburg, all formed in 1795. I have not viewed this census so do not know anything further� than what is written. It is assumed that this John Dutton is s/o Jeremiah and Sarah Dutton.� There is some discrepancy, however, because John is listed with a wife.� The birthdate I have for his wife, Susannah Stepp, is abt 1787.� Its possible that her birthdate is earlier, or its also possible but not probable that this is not our John Dutton.� He could have had a first wife other than Susannah.� More needs to be done to clear this up. After 1800 there don't appear to be any Duttons in S.Carolina with the exception of a Samuel Dutton in Horry County in 1820.� This was Samuel Sneed Dutton, s/o Zachariah Dutton of Granville Co. N.C. (before that Maryland)�� More Duttons appeared in S. Carolina in later years, but none I see that descended from our line. It appears the Duttons made a mass exodus from South Carolina about 1796 when Jeremiah sold his land and shortly after 1800 assuming the John Dutton on that census is ours. I'm sticking my neck out on this one, so...... Although there is much to be proven I believe Jeremiah and Daniel were sons of William Dutton/ s/o Edward and Gwin Williams Dutton of Chester Co. Pa.� Edward, of course, was a son of John Dutton who came to Pa. in 1682.� William was in Chester Co. as late as 1831 when Edward died.� According to Cope however William must've been away from Pa (whereabouts unknown, as his father did not know if he was alive when he wrote the will)� Between 1831 and Jeremiah's birth in 1740-45 it is unknown where they were.� I've found very little to substantiate this information, so if someone can help and/or dispute my theory, please come forward!!!� Jeremiah starts showing up on tithables lists in Botetourt Co. Va., along with a David Dutton.� I have found an Edward and a John Dutton on census records in Botetourt Co. as late as 1840 and I believe they are connected. According to DAR records Jeremiah died 19 Apr 1819 in Tennessee.� He had remarried at that time to a Susannah Stovall.� I have ordered those records from DAR and will update this list when I receive more info. Hope this helps someone, please stay in touch with me on any FINDS!!� Sue � � JensGen@aol.com wrote: > Would like to find out more informatoin about the Duttons of South Carolina. > > Does anyone know where they were from? > > Happy New Year! > Jennifer �