Chris, I have copies of most of the Hendrick Hendrickson Monmouth Co., Land deeds that I made in the FHL in SLC. I never looked up the East Jersey Recorded deeds because I thought that the abstracts would be sufficient at the time. I know that the DNA results do not prove a relationship to the HH who married Helena Cortelyou however you did question the relationship between Willem, Daniel and my Hendrick Hendrickson f/o the Hendrick Hendrickson who married Aeltie Couwenhoven. Plus you also brought up the alleged relationship of my branch of the Hendrickson family to the Jacob Hendricks Hafte family in one of your posts. I thought it would be good to clarify this all for everybody. Thanks for you help. Del ----- Original Message ----- From: "CChester" <ccbnf1404@gmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Hendrick Hendrickson and Van Dyke Families > Del, if you are making a trip to the FHL at SLC, I would suggest that you > take the time to locate each of the deeds in which Hendrick Hendrickson's > mark appears on the East Jersey Land Records, then use the FHL's microfilm > copy equipment to make a physical paper copy of the appropriate images, > then scan the physical pages (create both a .jpg and a PDF scan of each) > and then place them online so that all who are interested in figuring out > whether the two Hendrick Hendricksons are actually one, can view them and > make a collective decision (or just decide for themselves). But the > objective is to make them available so others can easily access them and > weigh in. > > In case it wasn't clear in my previous post - although the comparison of > Y-DNA test results between the descendant of William Hendrickson and the > descendant of Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown, can demonstrate that the > ancestors, William and Hendrick, of Middletown, were most likely brothers, > IT DOES NOT prove that the Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown is the same > as the Hendrick Hendrickson who married (1) a daughter of Achias Van Dyck, > and married (2) Helena (Cortelyou) (Van Brunt) Denise, and lived in Kings > Co. DNA tests of the descendants that you mentioned do not solve that > question. Comparing the marks in the Monmouth Co. deeds and the Kings Co. > deeds could help to answer the question of whether there are two Hendrick > Hendricksons or if there is just one. > > I'm sure the staff at the FHL can help you with making the copies. Good > luck. > > Chris Chester > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:36 PM, DelLynn Leavitt > <dleavitt@cableone.net>wrote: > >> Thanks Chris! If I make it to SLC sometime in the next couple of weeks >> is >> there anything you want me to look up for you? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "CChester" <ccbnf1404@gmail.com> >> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 11:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Hendrick Hendrickson and Van Dyke Families >> >> >> > Hi Liz, and others >> > >> > Today I ordered FHL film #460031 from the Family History Library >> > catalog >> - >> > >> https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=136233&disp=East+Jersey+deeds%2C+1667-1783++ >> > >> > This film includes Book I of the East Jersey Deeds. Hopefully the >> > images >> > on >> > the film will be in good enough condition to get a good digital photo >> > of >> > them. It will be a few weeks before it arrives at the local FHL Center. >> > >> > After spending a little time looking through Hutchinson's "East New >> Jersey >> > Land Records, 1702-1717 (Books H, I, and "Little K") I noticed that a >> very >> > large number of the deeds in Book I are all recorded on 6 September >> > 1710. >> > The dates of the deeds themselves vary. Many of the witnesses are known >> > Kings Co. men, some of whom I don't believe had a presence in Monmouth >> > Co., >> > NJ (Henry Filkin for example who lived out his life at Flatbush). I'm >> > wondering if many of these deeds where not actually originally drawn up >> > and >> > signed at the physical location of Kings County, NY and then since (as >> you >> > mention) the grantee takes possession, they were recorded afterwards in >> > New >> > Jersey (perhaps in mass at some time when someone in position to do so >> > decided that that might be a good idea). >> > >> > I'll get back to you all in few weeks. >> > >> > Chris Chester >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:16 AM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> > I guess the only way we can solve this puzzle is by finding the >> >> > original >> >> East Jersey Land Deeds of 3 Apr 1701 and 10 Nov 1705 and see what >> >> marks >> >> Hendrick Hendrickson made on them. >> >> >> >> I understood that the original deed (signed, sealed, witnessed and >> >> endorsed) became the possession of the grantee. This is the reason why >> >> the >> >> clerk's copies for township or county were made. I had just asked this >> >> question the other day in another forum, for a similar reason. I had >> >> wanted >> >> to see the handwriting in two different conveyances made five months >> >> apart >> >> but recorded consecutively on the same day, and to check the name of >> >> the >> >> grantee in the second deed. These were conveyed in southern NJ in >> >> 1823, >> >> but >> >> the whole state --all of the states --were operating under English law >> >> since 1664. >> >> >> >> Liz J >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without >> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >