These records have also been indexed as follows but the images are not yet available. Name: Vrederick Lubbertssen Spouse's Name: Stijntjen Jansdr Event Date: 03 Oct 1627 Event Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00706-0 System Origin: Netherlands-EASy GS Film number: 113353 "Netherlands, Marriages, 1565-1892," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FN8Z-J4S : accessed 11 Aug 2013), Vrederick Lubbertssen and Stijntjen Jansdr, 03 Oct 1627. Name: Rebecka Lubbertsz Gender: Female Christening Date: 15 Aug 1628 Christening Place: Nieuwekerk, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Father's Name: Frerick Lubbertsz Mother's Name: Stijntje Jans Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C90037-2 System Origin: Netherlands-ODM GS Film number: 113144 "Netherlands, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1910," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X18W-HC9 : accessed 11 Aug 2013), Rebecka Lubbertsz, 15 Aug 1628. THERE ARE ALSO THE FOLLOWING ENTRIES FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE FORGOING. NOR SHOULD THESE ENTRIES BE ASSUMED AS KINSMAN THEREOF. Name: Vrederik Lubbersz Spouse's Name: Hilletjen Dominekusdr Event Date: 02 Dec 1607 Event Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00706-2 System Origin: Netherlands-EASy GS Film number: 113353 Citing this Record "Netherlands, Marriages, 1565-1892," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FN88-TQT : accessed 11 Aug 2013), Vrederik Lubbersz and Hilletjen Dominekusdr, 02 Dec 1607. Name: Vrederik Lubbertsz Spouse's Name: Susanna De Frennes Event Date: 24 Nov 1613 Event Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00706-2 System Origin: Netherlands-EASy GS Film number: 113353 "Netherlands, Marriages, 1565-1892," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FN8D-XZX : accessed 11 Aug 2013), Vrederik Lubbertsz and Susanna De Frennes, 24 Nov 1613. Name: Fredrick Lubberts Birthplace: Jeveré Spouse's Name: Susanne Des Frennes Event Date: 02 Nov 1613 Event Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M90125-4 System Origin: Netherlands-EASy GS Film number: 113402 Reference ID: V1001 "Netherlands, Marriages, 1565-1892," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FNCZ-SYX : accessed 11 Aug 2013), Fredrick Lubberts and Susanne Des Frennes, 02 Nov 1613. Perry From: E Johnson [mailto:iris.gates@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:14 AM To: perry@streeter.com; dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] 1627 marriage record in Amsterdam, of Frederick Lubbertsz I read this as 'of Amsterdam', but not necessarily born there. But this is an unusual record. Of all the marriage records of Amsterdam that I have seen --several hundred from the late 16th and early 17th centuries --I have never seen any other in which one of the parties produced or was required to produce a document of consent from the schepens and burgomeesters. I would like an answer to the question of why this happened, but I think we can only speculate upon the significance of it. Again, in many other records of marriage intentions in Amsterdam in this same era (last decades 16th and first quarter 17th centuries), if one of the parties was born elsewhere, the record often gives the number of years she or he had lived at their current residence in Amsterdam. Not always, but rather often. In these cases, the records usually say something like "9 ans woonende inde Warmoesstraet" (9 years living in the Warmoesstraat), or 2 ans woon~ opde Rokin. Here's Rebecca's baptism with witness name, in case anyone needs it: kind: Rebecka doopdatum: 15-08-1628 kerk: Nieuwe Kerk vader: Lubbertsz, Frerick moeder: Jans, Stijntje bronverwijzing: DTB 40, p.465 The baptism witness for Rebecca was Anna Jans [Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Dopen) DTB 40, p.465]. The SAA search engine did not find this couple having any other children in Amsterdam before or after this. Liz On 8 August 2013 08:18, Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> wrote: Liz & Chris: Thank you!  Perhaps you have already found--or now can find--more information in response to this old posting of mine on Frederick... http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-04/1051317 777 Does the marriage record imply that Frederick was a native of Amsterdam or simply that he was a resident thereof at the time of  his marriage? Perry