Liz: Thank you so much for your insights and for also sharing "Grandma" Rebecca's baptismal record! Perry From: E Johnson [mailto:iris.gates@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:14 AM To: perry@streeter.com; dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] 1627 marriage record in Amsterdam, of Frederick Lubbertsz I read this as 'of Amsterdam', but not necessarily born there. But this is an unusual record. Of all the marriage records of Amsterdam that I have seen --several hundred from the late 16th and early 17th centuries --I have never seen any other in which one of the parties produced or was required to produce a document of consent from the schepens and burgomeesters. I would like an answer to the question of why this happened, but I think we can only speculate upon the significance of it. Again, in many other records of marriage intentions in Amsterdam in this same era (last decades 16th and first quarter 17th centuries), if one of the parties was born elsewhere, the record often gives the number of years she or he had lived at their current residence in Amsterdam. Not always, but rather often. In these cases, the records usually say something like "9 ans woonende inde Warmoesstraet" (9 years living in the Warmoesstraat), or 2 ans woon~ opde Rokin. Here's Rebecca's baptism with witness name, in case anyone needs it: kind: Rebecka doopdatum: 15-08-1628 kerk: Nieuwe Kerk vader: Lubbertsz, Frerick moeder: Jans, Stijntje bronverwijzing: DTB 40, p.465 The baptism witness for Rebecca was Anna Jans [Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Dopen) DTB 40, p.465]. The SAA search engine did not find this couple having any other children in Amsterdam before or after this. Liz On 8 August 2013 08:18, Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> wrote: Liz & Chris: Thank you! Perhaps you have already found--or now can find--more information in response to this old posting of mine on Frederick... http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-04/1051317 777 Does the marriage record imply that Frederick was a native of Amsterdam or simply that he was a resident thereof at the time of his marriage? Perry
Okay! Very glad it was useful. Liz On 8 August 2013 20:46, Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> wrote: > Liz:**** > > ** ** > > Thank you so much for your insights and for also sharing “Grandma” > Rebecca’s baptismal record!**** > > ** ** > > Perry**** > > ** ** > > *From:* E Johnson [mailto:iris.gates@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:14 AM > *To:* perry@streeter.com; dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > *Subject:* Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] 1627 marriage record in Amsterdam, of > Frederick Lubbertsz**** > > ** ** > > I read this as 'of Amsterdam', but not necessarily born there. > > But this is an unusual record. Of all the marriage records of Amsterdam > that I have seen --several hundred from the late 16th and early 17th > centuries --I have never seen any other in which one of the parties > produced or was required to produce a document of consent from the schepens > and burgomeesters. I would like an answer to the question of why this > happened, but I think we can only speculate upon the significance of it. > > Again, in many other records of marriage intentions in Amsterdam in this > same era (last decades 16th and first quarter 17th centuries), if one of > the parties was born elsewhere, the record often gives the number of years > she or he had lived at their current residence in Amsterdam. Not always, > but rather often. In these cases, the records usually say something like "9 > ans woonende inde Warmoesstraet" (9 years living in the Warmoesstraat), or > 2 ans woon~ opde Rokin. > > Here's Rebecca's baptism with witness name, in case anyone needs it: > > kind: Rebecka > doopdatum: 15-08-1628 > kerk: Nieuwe Kerk > vader: Lubbertsz, Frerick > moeder: Jans, Stijntje > bronverwijzing: DTB 40, p.465 > > The baptism witness for Rebecca was Anna Jans [Stadsarchief Amsterdam > (Dopen) DTB 40, p.465]. > > The SAA search engine did not find this couple having any other children > in Amsterdam before or after this. > > Liz >