Thanks Mike, As you stated, in comparing the indentures found in the Kings Co. Conveyances, it appears to me that the Hendrick Hendrickson who was married to a daughter of Achias Van Dyck (whether Trijntje or Susanna) was the same Hendrick Hendrickson who married Helena Cortelyou. His mark of a conjoined HH is found on both the indenture between the heirs of Achias Van Dyck of 7 Oct 1708 - See images 464 & 465 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-33187-18666-20?cc=2078654&wc=M9M4-2B6:n1177920415 and on an indenture along with his wife Helena, involving her son Jacques Tunise - See images 620 to 622 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-33187-17506-31?cc=2078654&wc=M9M4-2B6:n1177920415 (Now we do have to remember that the above images were copies of (presumably) the originals made by a clerk or copyist over a century (maybe closer to two centuries) after the fact, and so there may be errors on the copyist's part, but still it appears that the effort was made to reproduce the marks as they first appeared). I have not seen the original deeds regarding the Monmouth Co. property myself (I only have Hutchinson's abstracts that you cite). Accepting your conclusion that (based upon a different mark as viewed in the actual document) the Hendrick Hendrickson of Monmouth Co. is a different man then the Hendrick Hendrickson who married first a daughter of Achias Van Dyke and second Helena (Cortelyou) (Van Brunt) Denise, and that it is this Monmouth Co. Hendrick Hendrickson who was the father of Hendrick Hendrickson, Jr., and Geesje Hendrickson (wife of Nicholas Van Brunt), do you know who his wife was? In other words, who was the mother of Hendrick, Jr. and Geesje? Also, is there anything other than the circumstantial evidence (Daniel Hendrickson and Hendrick Hendrickson, Sr. both living in Middletown and in one case witnessing the same deed) that can demonstrate that the two (Daniel and Hendrick) are brothers? Thanks for the baptism record of Achias Van Dyck. If anyone is interested, the pre-nuptual agreement between Achias and his second wife Magdalena Hendricx is online in the same collection at Family Search, image 110 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-33187-17705-29?cc=2078654&wc=M9M4-2B6:n1177920415 Thanks for the help Chris Chester On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Michael Morrissey <mikemorr@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > Chris and Jeff, > > A few comments: > > Chris wrote: > > That Hendrick was married to both Trijntie Van Dyck and Helena Cortelyou > is > > likely based upon the comparison of his mark HH on various deeds, as was > > It is not clear from the deed which daughter of Achias Van Dyck Hendrick > Hendrickson married. She could have been > 1) Susanna, baptized 15 May 1679 at the DRC of Flatbush > 2) Tryntje, baptized 07 Oct 1680 at the DRC of Flatbush > 3) some other undocumented daughter (though that seems unlikely) > (see Flatbush Church Records, Vol 1, David Voorhees, pgs 391 & 401) > > Chris wrote: > > After looking at these possibilities myself, and looking through the > > various baptism, probate and deed records, it is apparent to me that the > > children Hendrick and Geesje, stated to be children of Helena Cortelyou, > > must instead be children of Trijntje Van Dyck, Hendrick's first wife. > > It is almost certain that Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown, NJ and > father of Hendrick and Geesje, is not the same person as Hendrick > Hendrickson, husband of Helena Cortelyou. > > 1) their marks are different. The mark used on the deed of the heirs of > Achias Van Dyck (a double H with no space between the Hs is used > consistently by the husband of Helena Cortelyou in various records. > However, the mark of Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown, NJ is a crossed I > and an H, as appears in a deed of on 1 July 1706 > to Jaret Schenck land purchased from Hendrick Van Dyck (more later on > that). Monmouth County Deeds, Vol E, > folio 120. > > 2) They lived in different places. > - Hendrick Hendrickson, husband of Helena, is of Kings Co in the 1708 > deed of the heirs of Achias Van Dyck. He is of New Utrecht in several > records from 1708 through the late 1720s, some cited earlier on this list > in a discussion on Hendrick Hendrickson. > > - Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown is mentioned several times in that > same time period as living in Middletown: > > a) 3 Apr 1701 Hendrick > Van Dyke of Kings Co., purchased land in Monmouth Co., NJ for £300 from > David > Stouut. As witness, Hendrick Hendrickse > made his mark, East Jersey Land Records, Abstracted by Richard Hutchinson, > Book 1, pg 366, on pg 119. > > b) 10 Nov 1705[?]. > Hendrick Van Dyke and Jonica, his wife, of Brookland Twp., Kings Co., > Nassau Island, NY sells > to Hendrick Hendrickse, of Monmouth Co., East N. for £300, for a tr. of > land in > Monmouth Co., at a place Called Romanis or Hop River, > beg. by Hop River at a point 90 chains from Obadiah > Browne's line. East Jersey Land Records, Abstracted by Richard > Hutchinson, Book 1, pg 366, on pg 119. This is the same land Hendick > witnessed the purchase of in 1701 and sold to Jarret Schenck in 1706. > > c) 13 Oct 1713. > Memorandum of Drift Ways. …several dift wasy in Middletown… Mohoras Run, > from Daniel to > Hendrick Hendrickson…Monmouth County Deeds, > Book D, pg 206, abstracted by Richard Hutchinson In Monmouth County New > Jersey Deeds, Books A, B, C and D, at pg 135. > > d) 1 Nov 1727. John Browne, Garret Schanck, & Daniel > Hendricks, Exec. of Will of Obadiah Browne, late of Middletown, Monmouth > Co., > NJ.....by land of > Hendrick Hendrickson, Sr., > Daniel Hendricks'.... > > > East New Jersey > Land Records, 1702 - > 1717, Books H, I and Little K, by Richard Hutchinson, at pg 215. > > Chris wrote: > > Also note that Hendrick Hendrickze and his wife, Trijntje (surname not > > given) had a child, Jannetje, baptized at Brooklyn, 29 May 1705. See: A. > P. > > G. Jos. van der Linde, Old First Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, New > > York: First Book of Records, 1660-1752. New York Historical Manuscripts: > > Dutch. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1983., p. 149. The > > witnesses for the baptism were Claas van Dijk and Jannetje van Dijk. > > (Jannetje van Dijk could be Trijntje Van Dijk's sister, while Claas van > > Dijk would be the husband of Francijntje Hendricks). > > > > It is not clear which Hendrick Hendrickson is the father in this record. > 1) As noted above, it is not certain which daughter of Achias Van Dyck > married Hendrick Hendrickson. > 2) Though they lived in Middletown, NJ, William Hendrickson had his son > baptized at the DRC of Brooklyn on the same day (same reference as above), > so Hendrick and William may have made the trip from Middletown together. > 3) The witness, Jannetje Van Dyck, could be the wife of Hendrick Van Dyck, > the same couple that sold Hendrick Hendrickson land in 1705 (see above). > The same Hendrick Van Dyck and his second wife, Engeltje, were witnesses > for Hendrick Hendrickson's granddaughter, Geesje, 30 years later, at the > DRC of New Utrecht: > > > 23 Oct [1737] Geesje, Nicholas Van Brunt, Geesje > [Hendrickse] s.v., Hendrick Van Dyck, Engeltje s.v. [NYGBR vol 1982, pg 75] > > What the relationship was between Hendrick Van Dyck and Hendrick > Hendrickson is not clear, but I think there is enough of a connection to > reasonably suggest that Hendrick Van Dyck's wife may have been the witness. > Thus neither witness may be closely connected to the family of Achias Van > Dyck. > > > One side bit of information: > The baptismal record of Achais Van Dyck was not included in the article in > the NYGBR (sorry, I don't remember the issue) about the baptismal records > of the children of Jan Thomas Van Dyck and Trynje Achias Haegen. The index > record of his baptismal record reads: > Gucken, Jan, Achemius, Trijn, Aachijmijus, 02-11-1642, Oude Kerk, > Hervormd, DTB 7, p.342 > I have not read the article, so I don't know if it explains the surname > "Gucken", but all the other baptismal records for his family use some > version of that name, e.g. Guecke, Geleken, Guertsz, Goiken, Gueken, > Geucksz. > > Mike Morrissey > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chris, You wrote: > this Monmouth Co. Hendrick Hendrickson who was the father of Hendrick > Hendrickson, Jr., and Geesje Hendrickson (wife of Nicholas Van Brunt), do > you know who his wife was? In other words, who was the mother of Hendrick, > Jr. and Geesje? It is not clear who their mother was. No records of her, other than the baptism in 1705, have been found as far as I know. One possibility is she is an undocumented sister of either Claes Thomas Van Dyck and/or Hendrick Van Dyck, but that is just a working hypothesis. Hendrick Hendrickson, Jr. married Aeltje Cowenhoven, probably the daughter of Albert Couwenhoven and Neeltje Schenck baptized at the DRC of Freehold on 19 Feb 1709/10. [GMNJ 22:5] Though they had sons named after their grandfathers, they appear to not have had any daughters, so there is no help there in identifying Hendrick's mother. Geesje Hendrickson married Nicholas Van Brunt, son of Cornelius Van Brunt and Tryntje Bennet. Genealogy of the Van Brunt Family by Teunis Bergen, pg 6 & 22. The order of most of their children is not known, but my best reconstruction of their birth order and possible naming is as follows: Possible naming and order of their children: 1) Cornelius, named after his paternal grandfather, Cornelius Van Brunt (a), married in 1745 (b), so born about 1724 if married at 21. 2) Hendrick, named after his maternal grandfather, executor of his father’s estate (a), so born by 1739, but also witness for his nephew, Hendrick Van Brunt, in 1752 (c), so probably born before his sisters; Engeltje (d), Agnes (e) & Geertje (f), as he would have otherwise have been only 13 at the time, very young for being a witness. Born say 1726. 3) Catherine, named after her paternal grandmother, Tryntje Bennet (above) and her possible maternal grandmother, Tryntje Van Dyck. She also was a witness for Hendrick Van Brunt, so probably born before Engeltje. Born say 1728. 4) Jonnetje, probably Jannetje, named after her maternal aunt, baptized in 1705 (see above). Born say 1730. 5) Engeltje, speculation, but possibly named after a maternal aunt (d) ,(f), baptized 1732. 6) Agnes, possibly named after a paternal aunt (e), baptized 1735. 7) Geesje, named after her mother, baptized 1737 (f). 8) Nicholas, named after his father, born say 1740. There is no daughter named Helen. Some people have equated Helen with Engeltje, but they are 2 distinct names. Engeltje is sometimes referred to as Antje or Anne, but that is probably an abbreviation of Angeltje, a variation of Engeltje. She appears as Annetje and Engeltje in the baptismal records of her children. a) 1760, April 12. Van Brunt, Nicolaes, of Shrewsbury, Monmouth Co., yeoman; will of. Wife, Geassey, use of real and personal estate; but must allow my sons, Hendrick and Nicholas, to till the soil. At wife's death, the moveable estate I give my children and my son Cornelius' 5 children. Sons, Hendrick and Nicholas, the plantation at the Falls. At the marriage of daughter, Caty, she shall have £35. Daughter, Jonnety, £100. Daughter, Caty, £100. Daughter, Anne, £2 and 10 shillings a year, as long as Cornelius Wincant is her husband, and, if he die, she is to have £100. Daughter, Agness, £100. Daughter, Gaessey, £100. Son Cornelius' 5 children, Gaessey, Joseph, Nicholas, Hendrick and Cornelius, to be put to a trade. Executors—son, Hendrick, my son-in-law, Albert Schenck, and my friend, Tunies Denice. Witnesses—Roelef Schenck, Isaac Vandorn, Roleff Schenck, minor. 1760, April 12. Codicil. Son-in-law, Cornelius Wincant, may live in the house on my land and have 2 acres for 7 years. Witnesses — same as above. Proved Feb. 1, 1782. 1781, Dec. 18. Inventory, £550.16.6, made by John Polhemus and Joseph Throckmorton. Lib. 24, p. 101. Documents Relating to the History of the State of New Jersey, vol 35, Calendar of New Jersey Wills, vol 6, pg 404 b) 1745 01 May; Cornelis VanBrunt; Magdalena Finten Robert Billard’s transcription of the records for the DRC of Flatbush http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rbillard/vital_statistics.htm c) 7 May 1752, Cornelius Van Brunt, Magdalena Fenten, Hindrik and Catherine Hindrikzon Records of Freehold and Middletown, GMNJ, vol 25, pg 47 d) 23 April 1732, Engeltje, Nicholas Van Brunt, Geesje Hendrickse, Hendrick Hendrickse Hendrickse, Aeltje Couwenhoven, GMNJ, vol 23, pg 68 e) 9 Feb [1734/5] Angenetje, Klaes Van Brunt, Geesjie s.v., Mathys Van Dyck, Angenetje s.v. [NYGBR vol 1982, pg 13] My note: Mathys was the brother of Catherine Van Dyck, wife of Daniel Hendricksen, Geesje's aunt. But there may be a closer relationship with Agnes. She may be the sister of Nicholas (see Van Brunt family: Genealogy of the Van Brunt Family by Teunis Bergen, pg 6 ). f) 23 Oct [1737] Geesje, Nicholas Van Brunt, Geesje [Hendrickse] s.v., Hendrick Van Dyck, Engeltje s.v. [NYGBR vol 1982, pg 75] My note: Hendrick Van Dyck, husband of Engeltje, may be the brother of Catherine Van Dyck, mother of Geesje. I have no evidence of that relationship at this point, but he was of Brooklyn when he died (as were his presumed parents), his oldest son was named Hendrick and he had a daughter named Jannetje: Abstract of wills on file in the Surrogate's Office, City of New York (Volume IV. 1744-1753), pg 366 ABSTRACTS OF WILLS LIBER 15. . Page 31 In the name of God, Amen, March 1, 1750/1, I, HENDRICK VAN DYCK, of the Yellow Hook, in the town of Brookiand, in Kings County, being at present in good health. I leave to my wife Engeltie the use of the dwelling house and kitchen where I now live, and the use of the garden and well, and the use of my best bed and furniture, and a cupboard and £10 yearly. Also, a negro girl and negro man, and sufficient fire wood and bread corn, and all necessary things for comfortable support, and three cows and household goods to keep house with so long as she continues my widow and bears my name, and no longer. I leave to my eldest son Hendrick £3 for his birthright. I give to my son, Hendrick Van Dyck, of the Raritan, in New Jersey, all that my farms or Plantations whereon he now lives, in New Jersey, containing 200 acres, with all buildings, and he is to pay £100 to my executors. I leave to my son, John Van Dyck, all my farm or plantation where I now live in Kings County, with all buildings, and he shall pay to my executors £600. I leave to my daughter Gertruy, the now wife of James Robinson, £200, and I leave to her daughter Janettie a gold ring. I leave to the children of Philip Van Arstate and his wife, my late daughter Jannettie, deceased, £200 (names not given). 1 leave to the child (not named) of my daughter Tryntie, deceased, late the wife of Tunis Denise, £150. I leave to my daughter Maria, wife of Geritt Boerum, £200. I leave to my son John my best wagon and my Great Dutch Bible. I leave to my grand son Hendrick, son of my son John, ffiy gun. I leave to my son John a negro woman and negro man, and he is to pay £100. My executors are to sell all the rest of personal estate, and after paying legacies the rest to be divided among my children, Hendrick, John, Gertruy, and Maria. I make my wife Elizabeth and my son in law, James Robinson, and my friend John Griggs, executors. Witnesses, Samuel Barrie, Dirck Bergen, Adrian Hegeman. Proved, October 30, 1751. Title: Abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogate's Office, City of New York (Volume XVI. Corrections to Vol.I-V) , pg 186 186 CORRECTIONS ABSTRACTS OF WILLS, VOLUME IV. PAGE 367. 13 lines from top and 12 lines from bottom for Gertruy read Gerritje Van Dyck. 16 lines from top for Philip Van Arstate read Philip Van Aersdalen. > Also, is there anything other than the circumstantial evidence (Daniel > Hendrickson and Hendrick Hendrickson, Sr. both living in Middletown and in > one case witnessing the same deed) that can demonstrate that the two > (Daniel and Hendrick) are brothers? There are several baptismal records where the witnesses are presumed siblings/half-siblings: (a) [1694, November 15]] Geesje; parents: Claas Van Dijk, Francijntje Hendricks; witnesses: Willem Hendrickse, Antje Staats. [First Book of Records of the Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, n, A.P.G. Jos van der Linde, pg 161] (b) Ditto 3 [3 Apr 1698] Klaas Van Dyck, Francyntie Van Dyck, Hendrick, Hendrick Hendrickse, Annetje Kros. Flatbush Church Records, Vol 1, David Voorhees, pg 452 My note: Annetje Van Eckelen, daughter of Geesje Brandt and wife of Hans Kros, was the half-sister of Francyntje. (c) 5 Apr [1708]. Hendricus. Claas Van Dyk, Fransyntie, parents. Witnesses: Antoni Rutgers, Antje Caros. . [First Book of Records of the Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, A.P.G. Jos van der Linde, pg 152] (d) 1703 Jun 23; Daniel Henderikse, Tryntie Van Dyk; Mayke; Anthony Rutgers, Antie Van Ekele [DRC of NYC, Robert Billard transcription] Though I have not seen it, there is DNA evidence (from a earlier post on this list) which shows that Daniel Hendrickson and Hendrick Hendrickson are descended from the same ancestor, so they are at least cousins. Mike Morrissey