Mike, Thanks for your help with this. I still have copies of the deeds I sent you, but I think there is another Monmouth Co., Deed Abraham Emans to Hendrick Hendrickson found on page 289 of vol. E, of the Monmouth Co Deeds that is listed in the Grantee index. The reason I missed it when I got copies of all of the Hendrick Hendrickson Monmouth Co. land deeds is that our former research director miss-labeled a deed from Book G. p. 69 as it, and I thought that I had it already. But there is a copy of the deed we want in the Kings Co., Conveyances Vol 4. pp 168 - 170 Images 565 -566 dated 5 Sep 1718 Abraham Emans to Hendrick Hendrickson of New Utrecht for the land on Coopers Brook. Jacques and Tuenis Denys had no part of this land deal so that is why you can find no record that Hendrick ever bought any of it back from them. Here is the problem that I have with assuming there were two Hendrick Hendrickson living in Monmouth Co. especially now that we know that one of them was married to a daughter of Achias Van Dyke. Both the Hendrick in Middletown and probably the Hendrick of Kings Co. married a Trynetje who had ties to the Van Dyke family,(according to TG Bergen Trynetje the daughter of Achias married Hendrick Hendrickson, {ESKC p. 333}) . No mention is ever made of this Susanna Van Dyke after her 1679 baptism in the Flatbush DRC and I wonder if she may have been the Jannetje mentioned in the 1705 land Conveyance as no baptism exists for her. Hendrick Hendrickson of the Monmouth Co. Hendricksons and his wife Trynetje named a daughter Jannetie so both the Trynetje Van Dyke d/o Achias and my Trynetje probably had mothers named Jannetje since my Hendrick named a daughter Geesje after his mother. According to George C. Beekman in his Early Dutch Settlers of Monmouth Co. NJ p. 148 after 1705 Hendrick Hendrickson disappears from the Monmouth Co., Court minutes which he had appeared on as early as 1694. On the 1 Jul 1706 Hendrick sells some of his Hopp Creek land (situated near Daniel Hendrickson's land) that he bought from Hendrick Van Dyke in 1705 and makes this noted "IH" mark. (It should be noted that the "I" has mark in the middle like if you stood two connected HHs on end. On the 1721 Monmouth deed you sent back to me where Hendrick Hendrickson of New Utrecht makes a HH mark that almost looks like an IH with a slash through it! In fact all of Hendricks Kings Co., marks could be described as an "IH" with the slash of the H extending over to the I instead of back to back HHs depending on how the county scribe wanted to interpret it.) So if Hendrick was selling land in 1706 it was probably because he was moving elsewhere even if it was not all of his land. After 1706 the only record I have found for a Hendricks Hendrickson in Monmouth Co., was the noted History of Monmouth County New Jersey p. 276 (Franklin Ellis 1885) that I sent you that cites a record made by the Monmouth Co., road commissioners dated 13 Oct 1713 that states: "Also another way of a rod and a half wide from Chinquerors road by the corners of the fences of James Hubbard, and Cornelius Covenhoven, and running along Dr. Hubbards house and thence to the bridge on Hop Brook: and thence over the brook along the line between Benjamin Stout and Hendrick Hendrickson's to a valley near the end of it: then to Joseph Golden's southwest corner of his new field and following his and Obediah Bowne's line to gully: then rounding the hill to Mahoran Run, where the path from Daniel to Hendrick Hendrickson's passes, and following the path to Daniel's line and then through his field, as he shall appoint, to the line between him and John Wall, and along between 'em over the swamp and along by Wall's fence and path to the line between Thomas Smith and Cornelius Dorn," probably in relation to a proposed road that went past both Hendrick and Daniel Hendrickson's land. It does not specify Hendrick Hendrickson's house or his family sitting in lawn chairs waving as you go by. So this does mean that Hendrick could not have been living in Kings Co., even if he did have a house still in Middletown on Hopp Creek? Other than this 1713 mention of Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown there is nothing in Monmouth Co., that even mentions a Hendrick Hendrickson until the 1718 deed of the Hendrick Hendrickson of New Utrecht. The other problem we had was we could never find an other Hendrick Hendrickson from Kings Co., that could have married Helena Cortelyou other than this Hendrick Jacobs Hafte who was alleged to have gone by Hendrickson. This of course was disproved by Dr. Andrew Hendricks and the Henry Hendricks Family Organization back in 2010 by DNA tests on both the Hafte family and the Monmouth Co., Hendricks/Hendrickson families. I think that George C. Beekman got it right when he stated: "After the above dates (1705) no Hendrick Hendricks is named on our public records as resident of this county until Daniel's eldest son arrived at age. Hendrick Hendricks was a widower and married about 1706, Helen Cortelyou, the widow of Nicholas VanBrunt and of Dionsye Denyse. After this marriage it is said that he lived with his wife on lands at New Utrecht, L. I. which her father Jacques Cortelyou, had devised to her." (EDSMNJ p. 148). I may be wrong but I still feel that there is only one Hendrick Hendrickson just because there are too many coincidences between the two. Sorry to ramble Mike, but I guess the only way we can solve this puzzle is by finding the original East Jersey Land Deeds of 3 Apr 1701 and 10 Nov 1705 and see what marks Hendrick Hendrickson made on them. Thanks once again. Del ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Morrissey" <mikemorr@hotmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Hendrick Hendrickson and Van Dyke Families Del, You wrote: > > You may be right, however, you forgot about the Monmouth Co., Deed dated > > 31 May 1731 where Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown sells the land on > > Cooper's Brook he bought of "Abraham Emans & Margreta his wife by deed > > bearing the date the eighteenth Day of September Anno Dom: 1718", to Tunis > > Denys bearing the mark of H H. I will send you the copy of the 1718 deed. This 1731 deed appears to be a later recording, which modifications, of a deed recorded in Kings Co. Conveyances, Liber 4, pg 200. 1) The consideration in the 1718 deed is £350 vs the 1731 deed where the consideration is £500 2) In 1718 the purchasers are both Jacques and Teunis DeNuys. In 1731 the purchaser is just Teunis. "This indenture made and concluded on the twenty seventh day of October ... 1718, between Hendrick Hendrickson of the township of New Utrecht in Kings County on Nassau Island in the province of Newyork yeoman and Jaques DeNuys and Tunis DeNuys of the township county island and province aforesd yeom on the other part.... All that certain moikey? of that Plantation or tract of land situate lying and being in the County of Monmouth in the province of New Jersey Beginning at the meeting of Coopers brook with the Mine Brook.......and so as the sd Hendrick Hendrickse bought of Abraham Emans except that part of said land which Abraham Emans hath sold to Hendrick Verwye." The above (except for the mention of Abraham's wife and Hendrick Verwye) and the rest of the description of the property is almost the exact same wording in both deeds, including a reference to Nicholas Lake as the current owner of land bordering the property. His is probably the Nicholas Lake who had his son, Jacobus, baptized at the DRC of Freehold in 1721 [GMNJ 22:87], but beginning in 1723 had his children baptized at the First Reformed Church of New Brunswick [PNJHS 11:209, and following ]. While he could have still owned the property, that seems unlikely. Though a number deeds for Hendrick Hendrickson on New Utrecht are recorded, I don't see one where Jacques and Teunis sell their land back to Hendrick. It seems to me they may have just renegotiated the original deal between themselves and only recorded the final deal in Monmouth County. I still question the reference to his residence in Middletown as the 1731 deed seems to mostly be a modification of the previous one, but even if correct, Hendrick had only lived at Middletown for at most a year as the 1730 deed implies. Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown appears to have lived at Middletown consistently from 1701 through 1727. Mike Morrissey > From: dleavitt@cableone.net > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:52:00 -0600 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Hendrick Hendrickson and Van Dyke Families > > > Mike, > > > >The second deed, the one of 31 May 1731 to Teunis Denyse, a year later, > >does >say that Hendrick Hendrickson was of Middletown (Monmouth County > >Deeds, >Vol H, pg 57.)" > > I am not so sure that this deed belongs to the Hendrick Hendrickson who > married Helena Cortelyou as the H H mark on it is widely spaced and has > {seal} written in between. So if you are right and there were two Hendricks > then the 1718 deed that it cites might prove this one way or another. If it > lists a Hendrick Hendrickson from Middletown then we defiantly know there > were two of them since the HH who married Helena Cortelyou was defiantly > living in NY at that time. If it is between Abram Emans and the HH living > in New Utrecht or "On the Narrows" then I think that it opens up the debate > again as it indicates that Hendrick's mark varies a bit as recorded by the > Monmouth County Recorder as Chris has pointed out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Morrissey" <mikemorr@hotmail.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Hendrick Hendrickson and Van Dyke Families > > > Del, > > It is possible that Hendrick Hendrickson, husband of Helena Cortelyou, moved > to Middletown towards the end of his life, but he did not live there until > after 1730. > > He was in New Utrectht until 1727 when he gives power of attorney to his > step-son, Jacques Denys, on 28 Apr 1727 (note that Hendrick Hendrickson Jr. > of Middletown turned 21 that year and was not given the power of attorney). > See Reminiscences of Old New Utrecht and Gowanus, by Mrs. Bleeker Bangs, pg > 42. > > In 1720 Hendrick and Helen sell the property they are living on in New > Utrecth to Jacques Denys. Jacques then executes an agreement to allow his > mother and step-father to live there without hassle for as long as his > mother is alive, plus 2 years. Kings Co. Conveyances, Liber 4, pg 260. > > I don't know when Helen died, but it could be that after 2 years Hendrick > decided to leave. > > I think there are 2 deeds that state or imply that Hendrick Hendrickson, > husband of Helen Cortelyou, was living in New Jersey at the end of his life. > > Hendrick Hendrickson, Jacques Denyse and Abraham Emans of Freehold > (unreadable) all of this county of Monmouth, province of New Jersey... sell > to Stephen Amack 96 ½ acres purchased by Hendrick Hendrickson and Jacques > Denyse of New Utrecht on 1 May 1719; by deed dated 5 May 1730. The mark of > Hendrick Hendrickson is difficult to read, but begins H with something > following, but is possibly a double HH. > Monmouth County Deeds, Vol H, pg 114. > > This appears to state that Hendrick and Jacques were of New Utrecth in 1719, > but that they were all of Freehold, not Middletown, in 1730. I don't think > Jacques Denyse ever lived in Freehold (his will was written in July 1739 and > states he was of New Utrecht at that time), so the residence may only apply > to Abraham whom I believe was living in Freehold. It is not clear, but I > think the residence of Hendrick Hendrickson and Jacques Denyse is not stated > at the beginning of the deed because it was the same as their residence on > the original deed, i.e. New Utrecht. In either case, it was not Middletown. > > The second deed, the one of 31 May 1731 to Teunis Denyse, a year later, does > say that Hendrick Hendrickson was of Middletown (Monmouth County Deeds, Vol > H, pg 57.) The land in the deed was probably in Freehold, see > The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Volume 49, "Teunis Denyse > of Freehold", by Helen Linklean Fairchild, pg 354. > > Nothing earlier indicates that Hendrick Hendrickson, h/o Helena, had any > land or family in Middletown. He had numerous land transactions in Freehold > and until a short time earlier was not living in Middletown, so I take this > indication of his residence in Middletown with some reserve. > > So, while the two Hendrick Hendricksons may have lived in Middletown at the > same time for a short time, but they clearly are two men living mostly in > two different places. > > Mike Morrissey > > > > > > > > > > From: dleavitt@cableone.net > > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:59:45 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Hendrick Hendrickson and Van Dyke Families > > > > Mike. > > > > You wrote: > > > > "It is almost certain that Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown, NJ and > > father of Hendrick and Geesje, is not the same person as Hendrick > > Hendrickson, husband of Helena Cortelyou." > > > > Wow we have gone full circle on this once again and we are where we > > started at the beginning of this conversation several months ago. > > > > You may be right, however, you forgot about the Monmouth Co., Deed dated > > 31 May 1731 where Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown sells the land on > > Cooper's Brook he bought of "Abraham Emans & Margreta his wife by deed > > bearing the date the eighteenth Day of September Anno Dom: 1718", to Tunis > > Denys bearing the mark of H H. > > > > I don't seem to have the 1718 Monmouth Co., Deed but if it lists Hendrick > > Hendrickson as being from New Utrecht then we must assume that the > > Hendrick who married Helena Cortelyou and the Hendrick who was the parent > > of Geesje, Jannetje and Hendrick were the same, however if it lists > > Hendrick as being from Middletown in 1718 then I think you are right, they > > were not the same individual. 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> I guess the only way we can solve this puzzle is by finding the original East Jersey Land Deeds of 3 Apr 1701 and 10 Nov 1705 and see what marks Hendrick Hendrickson made on them. I understood that the original deed (signed, sealed, witnessed and endorsed) became the possession of the grantee. This is the reason why the clerk's copies for township or county were made. I had just asked this question the other day in another forum, for a similar reason. I had wanted to see the handwriting in two different conveyances made five months apart but recorded consecutively on the same day, and to check the name of the grantee in the second deed. These were conveyed in southern NJ in 1823, but the whole state --all of the states --were operating under English law since 1664. Liz J