Hi Edward, It's sometimes possible to know why a surname was chosen, but probably more often not. I know of at least two families in Amsterdam whose surname was chosen because of a carving that was in the gable end of their house (which the original owner had installed). There were 11 Kips in marriage records in Amsterdam between 1564 and 1664, but I did not recognize any of the spouse names as having obvious connections with Hendrick Hendricksz (later Kip) of New Amsterdam. However, I can give you other food for thought, with sources. Hendrick Hendricksz Kip, born in 1600, Nyhuisum, Friesland, Nederlands, Snyder (tailor), published marriage intention on 20 April 1624, Amsterdam with Tryntie Lubberts, born about 1599 at Zwolle, Gelderland, Nederlands, a daughter of Lubbert Unknown. The ondertrouw witnesses were Blommert Sanders and Annetje Hendricks. Blommert Sanders was married with Aelttje Hendricks, and was noted as the brother-in-law of Hendrick Hendrickszen. Annetje Hendricks was noted as the cousin or niece of Tryntie Lubberts. Ondertrouw in Amsterdam, Transcription by me, Liz J: 20-04-1624 Heyndrick Heyndrixsz, van Nieuwenhuys, snyder, out 24 jaren, geasst~ met zyn swager Blomert Sanders, 9 ans woon~ inde Servetsteeg & Tryntie Lubberts, van Swoll, out 25 jaren, geen ouders hebbend, a puero woon~ inde Angelierstraet, geass~ met haer nigte Annetie Heyndrix [signed] Hendrick Hendricxsen, Trineke Loebes [Source: Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 429, p86 - Huwelijksintekeningen in de KERK] Translation by Liz J: Heyndrick Heyndrixsz, of Nieuwenhuys, tailor, 24 years old, assisted with his brother-in-law Blomert Sanders, 9 living in the Servetsteeg & Tryntie Lubberts, of Swoll, 25 years old, having no parents, since youth living in the Angelierstraet, assisted with her [cousin or niece] Annetie Heyndrix. Children --baptisms in Amsterdam personally accessed and read by Liz J: i. Abraham, baptized on 6 May 1625, Nieuwe Kerk, Amsterdam. Witness: Aeltje Hendricks. [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 40, p.302]. Aeltje Hendricks was Hendrick Hendrickszen (Kip)'s sister. ii. Isaac, baptized on 10 January 1627, Nieuwe Kerk, Amsterdam, died about July 1678, New Amsterdam. Witness: Jan Hendricks (possibly another brother... but there are a lot of Hendricks around). [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 40, p.377]. He married Catalyntje Hendricks, baptized on 30 September 1629, Oude Kerk, Amsterdam, a daughter of Hendrick Jansen the snyder and Tryntje Scherenbergh. Catalyntje's baptism witnesses were: Geertje Scherenbergh (aunt? or grandmother under husband name?) and Hendrick Hendricks (? possibly the one who became Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip?) [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 6, p.252]. Isaac Hendrickszen Kip later married Marie Vermilye. iii. Baertje Hendricks, baptized on 8 March 1629, Oude Kerk, Amsterdam. Her witnesses were Blommert Sanders (father's sister's husband) and Susanna Brokel [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 6, p.233]. She married Jan Janszen de Caper Wanshaer (aliases: Jan Jansen Van St. Aubin, Jan Jansen Van St. Cubis, Jan Jansen Van St.Obyn, Jan Van Sara, Jan Wanshaer Van St. Benen, Jan De Caper), and later married Jan Dircksen Meyer. iv. Jacob Hendricksen Kip, baptized on 25 May 1631, Oude Kerk, Amsterdam. Witnesses for him were Harman Hendricksen (possibly the uncle who was later known as Harman Hendricksen Drooch*) and Sara Willems [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 6, p.306]. He married Maria de la Montagne. * Drooch (droog) means 'dry'. I found one Harman Hendricksen in Amsterdam, a Droogscheerder (shaver of cloth), married with Trijntjen Andries, with one child (Andries) in 1626. I did not find their marriage intentions, so possibly they married elsewhere. I can't suggest this is the brother/uncle, later Harman Drooch, since there were at least two other Harman Hendricks living in the same period. But this one was working in the cloth industry. One Herman Droogh bought a house in the Boomstraat in Amsterdam in 1656. v. Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip, baptized on 14 August 1633. His witnesses were Grietgen Jans and Aeltgen Vogels. [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 6, p.376]. He married Anna de Sille. vi. Trintje Hendricks Kip, baptized on 8 June 1636, Oude Kerk, Amsterdam. Her witnesses were Femmetje Lubberts (aunt) and Sara Wiltens (possibly? the same as Sara Willems, Jacob's witness?) [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 7, p.91]. She married Abraham Jansen vander Heul. vii. Femmetje Hendricks Kip, baptized on 14 April 1643, New Amsterdam Dutch Reform Church. Her witness was her older brother, Isaac Hendrickszen (here not called Kip). Not for-sure, but I think Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip (tailor) and Hendrick Jansen (tailor) probably knew each other in Amsterdam before they brought their families to New Amsterdam. Both men had lived in Amsterdam since about 1615, and they were only two years apart in age. Best wishes, Liz J On 19 February 2013 11:37, <ekipp@rogers.com> wrote: > Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (cir 1600- Sept. 14, 1685) > > > The first mention I have found of the surname Kip in the records of New > Amsterdam would appear to be March 4, 1643 > when Hendrick Snyder Kip said about the Director Kieft of the Colony, “We > ought to send the Kievit back > to Holland in the Peacock.” [History of New Netherland or New York Under > The Dutch, by E.B. O’Callaghan, > Vol. I, Second edition, D. Appleton & Company, 1855. P. 272. Original > reference: Alb. Rec. iii., 109.] > > I still wonder why Hendrick took the surname Kip? > > From my reading, I know there were other people in New Amsterdam who had > the name Hendrick or Hendricksen > or some variation of such. > > Was there some connection with a Kip family in the Netherlands? > > Has anyone found earlier references to Hendrick either in printed sources > or original New Amsterdam > records that might help solve this problem? The printed sources I have > reviewed are listed in my blog. > > http://americancanadianancestors.blogspot.ca/2013/02/information-on-ancestry-of-hendrick.html > > Edward Kipp > ekipp@rogers.com > www.kipp-blake-families.ca/edwardmain.htm > > From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Elizabeth for your comments about surnames and also the additional information on the family.   I think you are correct inthinking Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip (tailor) and Hendrick Jansen (tailor) probably knew each other in Amsterdam before they brought their families to New Amsterdam. Edward From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs! ________________________________ From: E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> To: ekipp@rogers.com; dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: "new-netherland@rootsweb.com" <new-netherland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:12:35 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Hendrick Hendricksen Kip Hi Edward, It's sometimes possible to know why a surname was chosen, but probably more often not. I know of at least two families in Amsterdam whose surname was chosen because of a carving that was in the gable end of their house (which the original owner had installed). There were 11 Kips in marriage records in Amsterdam between 1564 and 1664, but I did not recognize any of the spouse names as having obvious connections with Hendrick Hendricksz (later Kip) of New Amsterdam. However, I can give you other food for thought, with sources. Hendrick Hendricksz Kip, born in 1600, Nyhuisum, Friesland, Nederlands, Snyder (tailor),  published marriage intention on 20 April 1624, Amsterdam with Tryntie Lubberts, born about 1599 at Zwolle, Gelderland, Nederlands, a daughter of Lubbert Unknown. The ondertrouw witnesses were Blommert Sanders and Annetje Hendricks. Blommert Sanders was married with Aelttje Hendricks, and was noted as the brother-in-law of Hendrick Hendrickszen. Annetje Hendricks was noted as the cousin or niece of Tryntie Lubberts. Ondertrouw in Amsterdam, Transcription by me, Liz J: 20-04-1624 Heyndrick Heyndrixsz, van Nieuwenhuys, snyder, out 24 jaren, geasst~ met zyn swager Blomert Sanders, 9 ans woon~ inde Servetsteeg & Tryntie Lubberts, van Swoll, out 25 jaren, geen ouders hebbend, a puero woon~ inde Angelierstraet, geass~ met haer nigte Annetie Heyndrix [signed] Hendrick Hendricxsen, Trineke Loebes [Source: Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 429, p86 - Huwelijksintekeningen in de KERK] Translation by Liz J: Heyndrick Heyndrixsz, of Nieuwenhuys, tailor, 24 years old, assisted with his brother-in-law Blomert Sanders, 9 living in the Servetsteeg & Tryntie Lubberts, of Swoll, 25  years old, having no parents, since youth living in the Angelierstraet, assisted with her [cousin or niece] Annetie Heyndrix. Children --baptisms in Amsterdam personally accessed and read by Liz J: i. Abraham, baptized on 6 May 1625, Nieuwe Kerk, Amsterdam. Witness: Aeltje Hendricks. [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 40, p.302]. Aeltje Hendricks was Hendrick Hendrickszen (Kip)'s sister. ii. Isaac, baptized on 10 January 1627, Nieuwe Kerk, Amsterdam, died about July 1678, New Amsterdam. Witness: Jan Hendricks (possibly another brother... but there are a lot of Hendricks  around). [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 40, p.377]. He married Catalyntje Hendricks, baptized on 30 September 1629, Oude Kerk, Amsterdam, a daughter of Hendrick Jansen the snyder and Tryntje Scherenbergh. Catalyntje's baptism witnesses were: Geertje Scherenbergh (aunt? or grandmother under husband name?)  and Hendrick Hendricks (? possibly the one who became Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip?) [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 6, p.252]. Isaac Hendrickszen Kip later married Marie Vermilye. iii. Baertje Hendricks, baptized on 8 March 1629, Oude Kerk, Amsterdam. Her witnesses were  Blommert Sanders (father's sister's husband) and Susanna Brokel [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 6, p.233]. She married Jan Janszen de Caper Wanshaer (aliases: Jan Jansen Van St. Aubin, Jan Jansen Van St. Cubis, Jan Jansen Van St.Obyn, Jan Van Sara, Jan Wanshaer Van St. Benen, Jan De Caper), and later married Jan Dircksen Meyer. iv. Jacob Hendricksen Kip, baptized on 25 May 1631, Oude Kerk, Amsterdam. Witnesses for him were Harman Hendricksen (possibly the uncle who was later known as Harman Hendricksen Drooch*) and Sara Willems  [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 6, p.306]. He married Maria de la Montagne. * Drooch (droog) means 'dry'. I found one Harman Hendricksen in Amsterdam, a Droogscheerder (shaver of cloth), married with Trijntjen Andries, with one child (Andries) in 1626. I did not find their marriage intentions, so possibly they married elsewhere. I can't suggest this is the brother/uncle, later Harman Drooch, since there were at least two other Harman Hendricks living in the same period. But this one was working in the cloth industry. One Herman Droogh bought a house in the Boomstraat in Amsterdam in 1656. v. Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip, baptized on 14 August 1633. His witnesses were Grietgen Jans and  Aeltgen Vogels. [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 6, p.376]. He married Anna de Sille. vi. Trintje Hendricks Kip, baptized on 8 June 1636, Oude Kerk, Amsterdam. Her witnesses were  Femmetje Lubberts (aunt) and Sara Wiltens (possibly? the same as Sara Willems, Jacob's witness?) [Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 7, p.91]. She married Abraham Jansen vander Heul. vii. Femmetje Hendricks Kip, baptized on 14 April 1643, New Amsterdam Dutch Reform Church. Her witness was her older brother, Isaac Hendrickszen (here not called Kip). Not for-sure, but I think Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip (tailor) and Hendrick Jansen (tailor) probably knew each other in Amsterdam before they brought their families to New Amsterdam. Both men had lived in Amsterdam since about 1615, and they were only two years apart in age. Best wishes, Liz J On 19 February 2013 11:37, <ekipp@rogers.com> wrote: Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (cir 1600- Sept. 14, 1685) > > >The first mention I have found of the surname Kip in the records of New Amsterdam would appear to be March 4, 1643 >when Hendrick Snyder Kip said about the Director Kieft of the Colony, “We ought to send the Kievit back >to Holland in the Peacock.”  [History of New Netherland or New York Under The Dutch, by E.B. O’Callaghan, >Vol. I, Second edition, D. Appleton & Company, 1855. P. 272. Original reference: Alb. Rec. iii., 109.] >  >I still wonder why Hendrick took the surname Kip? > >From my reading, I know there were other people in New Amsterdam who had the name Hendrick or Hendricksen >or some variation of such. >  >Was there some connection with a Kip family in the Netherlands? >  >Has anyone found earlier references to Hendrick either in printed sources or original New Amsterdam >records that might help solve this problem? The printed sources I have reviewed are listed in my blog. >http://americancanadianancestors.blogspot.ca/2013/02/information-on-ancestry-of-hendrick.html > >Edward Kipp >ekipp@rogers.com >www.kipp-blake-families.ca/edwardmain.htm >  >From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs! > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Okay! Liz J 3rd floor garret near a green park & a green hill (now mainly white) in central New England On 19 February 2013 19:19, <ekipp@rogers.com> wrote: > Thank you Elizabeth for your comments about surnames and also the > additional information on the family. > > I think you are correct in thinking Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip (tailor) > and Hendrick Jansen (tailor) probably knew each other in Amsterdam before > they brought their families to New Amsterdam. > > Edward > > From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs! >