Hi all, I believe the statement that Kieft ought to be sent back on the Peacock was made by Hendrick Jansen Snyder and not Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. The book by Frederic Kip, The Kip Family in America, on page 31 (2nd paragraph) gives us further clues as the source of the statement. Note he says it was an affidavit by Samuel Chandelaer. This affidavit appears in: New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch; Vol. II, Register of the Provincial Secretary 1642 – 1647; Translated by Arnold J. F. van Laer (1974), pp. 120-121 [original doc. #53b]. The document refers only to “Hendric, the taylor,”. Mr. Van Laer in a footnote indicates he thinks it was Hendrick Jansen that said it. Furthermore, there were several earlier depositions in that same Register where it is clear that the complainer is Hendrick Jansen and not Hendrick Kip. As I recall, the council even wanted to send Hendrick Jansen back to The Netherlands. A new version of the above Register of the Prov. Sec. is now online here: http://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/research/online-publications/register-of-the-provincial-secretary-volume-2/ document #53b is on page 83 of that version (p. 88 of the pdf file). I do not know what O’Callaghan meant (below) by “Alb. Rec. iii., 109” I would have thought it refered to vol III in his new numbering of the volumes. However, I note that the History of NN, 2nd ed., was published in 1855 and O’Callaghan’s Calendar of Dutch MSS. was published in 1865. So, perhaps his reference refers to where that item was before he took the books apart and rebound them into their present form. As I wrote in my message of Jan 30, The first date they were definitely in New Netherland is 16 April 1643 when “Hendrick Hendricksen Kyp” witnessed a settlement by Gertruyt Jacobs on her children – New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch; Vol. II, Register of the Provincial Secretary 1642 – 1647; Translated by Arnold J. F. van Laer (1974), pp. 115 – 116 [original document # 51c]. Now the fact that in this early item he signs his name as Hendrick Hendricksen Kyp makes me believe that he had that surname before coming to New Netherland. Note that many NN immigrants had established surnames before emigrating. Just look at all the families in Hoffman’s series of articles on An Armory of American Families of Dutch Descent, beginning in NYGBR vol 64, no. 1, p. 3. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com From: ekipp@rogers.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:37 AM To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com ; new-netherland@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Hendrick Hendricksen Kip Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (cir 1600- Sept. 14, 1685) The first mention I have found of the surname Kip in the records of New Amsterdam would appear to be March 4, 1643 when Hendrick Snyder Kip said about the Director Kieft of the Colony, “We ought to send the Kievit back to Holland in the Peacock.” [History of New Netherland or New York Under The Dutch, by E.B. O’Callaghan, Vol. I, Second edition, D. Appleton & Company, 1855. P. 272. Original reference: Alb. Rec. iii., 109.] I still wonder why Hendrick took the surname Kip? >From my reading, I know there were other people in New Amsterdam who had the name Hendrick or Hendricksen or some variation of such. Was there some connection with a Kip family in the Netherlands? Has anyone found earlier references to Hendrick either in printed sources or original New Amsterdam records that might help solve this problem? The printed sources I have reviewed are listed in my blog. http://americancanadianancestors.blogspot.ca/2013/02/information-on-ancestry-of-hendrick.html Edward Kipp ekipp@rogers.com www.kipp-blake-families.ca/edwardmain.htm