Johannes Fonteyn and Catharine Willemse Cornel's daughter, Angenietjel Agnete born say 1700, Bushwick , m (1) Wiljam Prikket deceased by 1728. When William's widow, Antenietje baptised "Agnete 3 mo. old, 28 Sept 1729, the mother is Agnete Fontaynen, daughter of Hannes Fontayne," "She gives the father as one Jacob Gulig, son of Schreiners, unbaptised ... Wit. Sarah, wife of young Hannes Fontayne, who is also unbaptised though I did not know it." The baptism on location by the pastor of the Lutheran church of NYC, she later married 29 March 1730 RDCh. Kingston, Ulster Co. NY William Lamb. In this case Agnete Fonteyn Prikket was a widow, the child was not by her husband, rather the father was one Jacob Gulig who she did not marry. But there seemed to be no repercussions about this, Rather she baptized the child and married William Lamb a year later. Whether this was because while she had been baptized, Jacob Gulig was not, and she had the child baptized I can't say. Judy Cassidy Source: Judith Smith Cassidy, "Which Charles Fontyn?" New Netherlands Connection, Vol. 15, 2010: 2; Roswell Russell Hoes, Baptisms and Marriage Registers of the Old Dutch Church of Kingston, Ulster County New York, 1660-1809, 558 citing entry 699; "Baptisms in the Lutheran Ch. of NYC," NYGBR 97: 169 and NYBGR 98: 100; Kenneth E. Hasbrouck, Records of the Dutch Reformed Church of Fishkill, Dutchess Co. NY 1731-1850 54, 64; The highland refers to the area along the east side of the Hudson in Dutchess County, south of Poughkeepsie. On 04/03/13, juliasgenes<juliasgenes@yahoo.com> wrote: I was wondering what the common practice at the time might have been, even though individual cases would have varied, of course. That Catharina would have married 17 months after giving birth to the child, and to a minister at that, implies to me that standards in the heavily Dutch & Palatine-influenced Hudson Valley differed from those of Puritan-influenced New England. By 1808, scarlet letters and sentencing to the stocks was over, but an unwed mother may not have been embraced by the community if they knew about the child. The family may have tried to conceal the birth altogether by sending the pregnant woman away. This doesn't seem to be the case here, though. Johann Jost Frantz embraced his grandchild by specifially leaving him money. Was this culture more forgiving than that of Puritan New England and more willing to live and let live? I think it's quite reasonable to assume that "1808 baptized David" = "1811 will David Crawford". But whether or not "1808 mommy Catharine Frantz" = "1810 marriage Catherine Frans" is another question, which is why I mentioned that possibility. However, there is precedent for it being her in that marriage record as several of Catharina Frantz's siblings are known to have married at the RDC/Shawangunk and are listed in that very same small book under the name of "Frans": Anatje, Joseph, and Elizabeth. I tried searching in Google and Bing for any genealogy information on the "Pulvereck" name and came up completely empty. The only hits I got were for German-lanuage websites that mentioned the word as structures in a fort that translated from "Pulvereck" to "powder corner", similar in appearance to the bastions in star forts. There were no surname references and certainly no genealogical info. So, my question about how the children of unmarried women were named in the early 1800s has no common-practice answer? Oh, well. ________________________________ > >From: James Harder <[1]jaharder88@yahoo.com> > > I've seen it all three ways it that period: > Child taking the presumptive father's surname even without a marriage or proof. > Child taking the mother's surname. > Child taking the step-father's surname when the mother marries. > ====================================================================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[2]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:jaharder88@yahoo.com 2. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com