Hello Liz It's amazing the families we appear to be researching at the same time. First Michael Tadens and now Urbanus Luursen and his wife. We have a lot of the same information, a few different conclusions and I have two additional children but very similar. One thing I did was trace this two sons Harman and Urbanus and was able to tie Haman to Jacob Cornelis Swits in the article I had published last fall in the NYG&B Record. I submitted the Urbanus information but was able to finish the article because I ended up spending two months in Saudi Arabia for work. I will likely go on and publish my article since it has been in progress and the intent is as much to trace the two sons. So what families are your researching in New Netherland? I have Post and Bonen who are unrelated to Urbanus Luursen, Warnar Wessels, and more information on the Swits/Trommels, some information on Dirck Benson, also Evert Duyckink and his wife, Jan Teunisen Westbroeck, Michel Hainelle and his wife Henrica Strockels, Jan Thomasen Mingael, the van der Kuyl family, Viervant, Jannetje Le Seuer, the Pietersen sisters of Hoorn, Noord Holland who migrated to New Netherland and several others. Are you working on any of them :-) I also just finished the first draft of the Minutes of the Trustees of Kingston, NY 1688 to 1777 and started on the actual conveyances/grants. Take care Chris On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We've identified Cornelia Maas, born about 1675, who married Johannes > Holsaert II and Rutgert Waldron in the New York Dutch church. > > I have a web page online now which gives details of four generations of her > ancestors, several of whom lived in Amsterdam. There is a good amount of > new information here. Hulsart and Hulst descendants, Waldron researchers, > and certain Bennet and Emans/Emmons descendants will want to have a look. > Shahaan descendants, certain Romeyn descendants, some Thomas/Thomaszen > researchers, and certain Tobias researchers will also want to see. > > Cornelia Maas' ancestors include: > > * Thomas Franszen of England, who married two Dutch wives in New Amsterdam. > > * Urbanus Luursen, a master mason, who owned several properties in > Amsterdam including three in a row, two of which he built. He was drowned > in the Prinses Amelia shipwreck of 1647. His wife was Jannetje Claes of > Amsterdam, who married twice more after his death. As noted below, this > Jannetje Claes in New Amsterdam - NY records was most often known as > Jannetje 'Boonen'. > > * Claes Arents, a butcher who lived in the Kalverstraat in Amsterdam, and > his wife Beatrix Hermans, of (probably) Veere, Zeeland. > > In this article, I have an image of the beautiful and rare signature of > Johannes Holsaert I, Cornelia Maas' father-in-law. He was the town clerk of > Flatlands for only a few years before he died there in 1687. He is the > forefather of the Hulsart and Hulst families of New York, New Jersey, and > beyond. > > A significant side effect of this research provided the correct > identification of Jannetje "Boonen", whose name appears several times in > New Amsterdam / NY church records and in the Orphanmasters records of New > Amsterdam. She was Jannetje Claes, baptized in 1619 in Amsterdam. The > surname she was ususally known by in New Amsterdam was dervied from her > first husband's first name. > > Another result of this effort was the identification of Rutgert Waldron's > so-called daughter Anna Holseart, mentioned in his 1720 will as one of his > seven children. But there is no space in his two marriages for a daughter > Ann to have been born and to have married a Holseart man by 1720. This Anna > Holseart was his step-daughter, a child of his second wife's first > marriage. > > This article was made possible by the collaborative effort of several > people, whose input, contributions and suggestions were invaluable in > sorting out these families. I thank these persons in the article. Here also > I would like to thank the invisible Roberto (whoever he is), the senior > website technician who maintains the Stadsarchief Amstersam databases. > > "Ancestors of Cornelia Maas, Wife of Johannes Holsaert and Rutgert Waldron" > can be found here: > > http://17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/65172546/Ancestors%20of%20Cornelia%20Maas%2C%20Wife%20of%20Johannes%20Holsaert%20and%20Rutgert%20Waldron#view=edit > > Enjoy the article. Questions, comments, corrections or suggestions are > always welcome. > > Best wishes, > Liz J > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Chris Brooks Kansas City, Missouri 816-363-1831

Hi Chris, I'm glad to hear you're still planning to go forward with the Urbanus Luursen article, and are making progress with the transcription of the Kingston records. I don't seem to have any of the same lines as you, as it happens. I am lucky to have as much traceable colonial ancestry as I do, considering that only one of my great-grandparents came from the U.S. (the rest came directly to Canada from Europe). I still have some missing lines that might conceivably lead back to New Netherland, but this seems unlikely on geographical grounds. I think this is a complete list of my New Netherland immigrant ancestors (roughly in order of latest to earliest): Hendrick Willemsen Leeuwaert or Ruwaert Adolf Meyer Adriaen Hegeman & Catharina Margetts Frans Jans Bloetgoet & Lysbeth Jans Cornelis Vonck & Magdalena Hendrickse Catharina Cronenberg (widow of Hendrick ____ and mother of Magdalena Hendrickse) Abraham Rycken van Lent & Grietje Hendrickse Harck Syboutszen & Wyntje Theunisse Johannes Verveelen & Anna Chatvelt Daniel Verveelen & Anna Eelhout Pieter Cornelis Luyster & Aeltje Thysse Johannes Nevius & Adriaentje Cornelis Bleyck Swaentje Jans (widow of Cornelis Adriaens Bleyck and mother of Adriaentje Cornelis Bleyck) Joris Rapalje & Catalyntje Trico Abraham Martenszen Clock & Tryntje Alberts Potthoff Theunis Thomasz Quick & Belitgen Jacobus van Vleckesteyn Most of my research for about the last 15 years has centered on these people, and in three cases (Harck Syboutszen, Anna Chatvelt, and Anna Eelhout) I was the one who determined their place of origin and parentage (or at least the father, in the case of Harck Syboutszen). Progress on this cluster of ancestry has been slowing down, and the only other recent advance has been Carolyn Nash's discovery late last year of the surname of Catharina Cronenberg. Some of the surnames involved are uncommon (such as Vonck, Cronenberg, Luyster, Clock, Potthoff, and Quick) but frustratingly, American sources do not seem to supply any clues to the immigrants' places of origin. Best wishes, John On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Chris Brooks <brookskcmo@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Liz > > It's amazing the families we appear to be researching at the same time. > First Michael Tadens and now Urbanus Luursen and his wife. We have a lot > of the same information, a few different conclusions and I have two > additional children but very similar. One thing I did was trace this two > sons Harman and Urbanus and was able to tie Haman to Jacob Cornelis Swits > in the article I had published last fall in the NYG&B Record. I submitted > the Urbanus information but was able to finish the article because I ended > up spending two months in Saudi Arabia for work. I will likely go on and > publish my article since it has been in progress and the intent is as much > to trace the two sons. > > So what families are your researching in New Netherland? I have Post and > Bonen who are unrelated to Urbanus Luursen, Warnar Wessels, and more > information on the Swits/Trommels, some information on Dirck Benson, also > Evert Duyckink and his wife, Jan Teunisen Westbroeck, Michel Hainelle and > his wife Henrica Strockels, Jan Thomasen Mingael, the van der Kuyl family, > Viervant, Jannetje Le Seuer, the Pietersen sisters of Hoorn, Noord Holland > who migrated to New Netherland and several others. Are you working on any > of them :-) > > I also just finished the first draft of the Minutes of the Trustees of > Kingston, NY 1688 to 1777 and started on the actual conveyances/grants. > > Take care > > Chris > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > We've identified Cornelia Maas, born about 1675, who married Johannes > > Holsaert II and Rutgert Waldron in the New York Dutch church. > > > > I have a web page online now which gives details of four generations of > her > > ancestors, several of whom lived in Amsterdam. There is a good amount of > > new information here. Hulsart and Hulst descendants, Waldron researchers, > > and certain Bennet and Emans/Emmons descendants will want to have a look. > > Shahaan descendants, certain Romeyn descendants, some Thomas/Thomaszen > > researchers, and certain Tobias researchers will also want to see. > > > > Cornelia Maas' ancestors include: > > > > * Thomas Franszen of England, who married two Dutch wives in New > Amsterdam. > > > > * Urbanus Luursen, a master mason, who owned several properties in > > Amsterdam including three in a row, two of which he built. He was drowned > > in the Prinses Amelia shipwreck of 1647. His wife was Jannetje Claes of > > Amsterdam, who married twice more after his death. As noted below, this > > Jannetje Claes in New Amsterdam - NY records was most often known as > > Jannetje 'Boonen'. > > > > * Claes Arents, a butcher who lived in the Kalverstraat in Amsterdam, and > > his wife Beatrix Hermans, of (probably) Veere, Zeeland. > > > > In this article, I have an image of the beautiful and rare signature of > > Johannes Holsaert I, Cornelia Maas' father-in-law. He was the town clerk > of > > Flatlands for only a few years before he died there in 1687. He is the > > forefather of the Hulsart and Hulst families of New York, New Jersey, and > > beyond. > > > > A significant side effect of this research provided the correct > > identification of Jannetje "Boonen", whose name appears several times in > > New Amsterdam / NY church records and in the Orphanmasters records of New > > Amsterdam. She was Jannetje Claes, baptized in 1619 in Amsterdam. The > > surname she was ususally known by in New Amsterdam was dervied from her > > first husband's first name. > > > > Another result of this effort was the identification of Rutgert Waldron's > > so-called daughter Anna Holseart, mentioned in his 1720 will as one of > his > > seven children. But there is no space in his two marriages for a daughter > > Ann to have been born and to have married a Holseart man by 1720. This > Anna > > Holseart was his step-daughter, a child of his second wife's first > > marriage. > > > > This article was made possible by the collaborative effort of several > > people, whose input, contributions and suggestions were invaluable in > > sorting out these families. I thank these persons in the article. Here > also > > I would like to thank the invisible Roberto (whoever he is), the senior > > website technician who maintains the Stadsarchief Amstersam databases. > > > > "Ancestors of Cornelia Maas, Wife of Johannes Holsaert and Rutgert > Waldron" > > can be found here: > > > > > http://17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/65172546/Ancestors%20of%20Cornelia%20Maas%2C%20Wife%20of%20Johannes%20Holsaert%20and%20Rutgert%20Waldron#view=edit > > > > Enjoy the article. Questions, comments, corrections or suggestions are > > always welcome. > > > > Best wishes, > > Liz J > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Chris Brooks > Kansas City, Missouri > 816-363-1831 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chris, > So what families are your researching in New Netherland? I have Post and > Bonen who are unrelated to Urbanus Luursen, Warnar Wessels, I have been working on the Post and Bonen families. Liz has been instrumental in identifying the parents of both Lodewyck Cornelis Post and Agnietje Bonen. I am working on a possible connect of them with Warnar Wessels. I would be glad to share information. Mike Morrissey > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:20:49 -0500 > From: brookskcmo@gmail.com > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > CC: new-netherland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Cornelia Maas, wife of Johannes Holsaert & Rutgert Waldron; Jannetje so-called "Boonen" (who isn't)