Mike, Thank you for the explanation of the background of this family. On 4/12/2013 5:30 PM, Michael Morrissey wrote: > There Bergen assigns this as the 2nd marriage of the immigrant, Johannes Holsaert. However, other evidence shows that his first wife, Johanna Havens did not die until much later. It seems that some researchers realized the discrepancy and thought the marriage must be of his son, Johannes Holsaert II, who must then have been born about 1658, see > http://hulsenet.net/8.html > > In fact, the marriage appears to have been of his great-grandson, John Holsaert, who married a Deborah Blake, > Johannes Holsaert and Deborah Blake married on 17 May 1777. > New York Genealogical& Biographical Society Library manuscript files: Josephine C Frost collection. > They had a son baptized at the DRC of NU:11 May 1786; Petrus; Johannes Holst, Dibbey Blake; [witnesses:] Johannes Holst, Dibbey Holst > Records of the Reformed Church of New Utrecht, Long Island > New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Vol 113, pg 169. > Johannes Holsaert II was most likely born about 1672 as he in not listed in the 1687 Kings Co. Oath of Allegiance > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/1687roll.html I can certainly see why Bergen appears to have gotten confused when I look at the baptismal record that you found because I am a bit confused by it. Are the parents and the witnesses the same people? Is that how you understand it? Thanks for the information. Renee L. Dauven

Renee, > > They had a son baptized at the DRC of NU:11 May 1786; Petrus; Johannes Holst, Dibbey Blake; [witnesses:] Johannes Holst, Dibbey Holst > > Records of the Reformed Church of New Utrecht, Long Island > > New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Vol 113, pg 169. > > I can certainly see why Bergen appears to have gotten confused when I > look at the baptismal record that you found because I am a bit confused > by it. Are the parents and the witnesses the same people? Is that how > you understand it? That is my understanding as well. Mike