Janice, I am fascinated by the Van Cleef line; I descend from Neeltje who married Kryn Janse Van Meter (various spellings) through a tangled web of Van Meters to the Cartmells of Virginia and Ohio. If we have any common ancestors would you be interested in sharing data? Jo Culberson On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM, <dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus Rutgers > (W David Samuelsen) > 2. Jan Van Cleef and de Peel, Limburg (Janice Pranger) > 3. Re: Jan Van Cleef and de Peel, Limburg (cor snabel) > 4. Re: Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus Rutgers (juliasgenes) > 5. Re: Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus Rutgers > (W David Samuelsen) > 6. Given name question: Christophel, Christopher, Christian > (juliasgenes) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 02:11:46 -0600 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus Rutgers > Hope you won't pull your hairs off your head when you try Ulster County's > backwardish filming of probate files > > The index card is at the end of each file, rather than the start then go > backward because the next sheet is not at the beginning but at the end, > right before the index card, 3rd sheet likwise before 2nd, so on. > > David Samuelsen > > On 3/24/2013 12:53 AM, James Harder wrote: > >> I know that Wyoming is not the only county that has numerous old >> documents stacked in boxes in a back room! >> >> Jim >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Janice Pranger <jan.pranger@sbcglobal.net> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:04:46 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Van Cleef and de Peel, Limburg > Hello List, > > I have been searching the Dutch Colonies Archives for information about the > descendants of Jan Van Cleef and Engeltje Laurens, and found a 17 Jul 2000 > response from Cor Snabel about the Van Cleef roots in "de Peel", Limburg. > > Searched but couldn't find the source for this connection between the Van > Cleef > family and this particular area of the Netherlands. Can someone tell me > where > to find this? > > > Many thanks, > > Jan Pranger > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: cor snabel <cor.snabel@gmail.com> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:38:38 +0100 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Van Cleef and de Peel, Limburg > Hello Janice, > > > I have been searching the Dutch Colonies Archives for information about > the > > descendants of Jan Van Cleef and Engeltje Laurens, and found a 17 Jul > 2000 > > response from Cor Snabel about the Van Cleef roots in "de Peel", Limburg. > > My mail in July 2000 was a response to a query of Bryce Stevens who > wrote "Peelt, Limburg, the Van Cleef home town". > I know he is still around, I remember seeing a message from him > earlier this year. Maybe he can shed some light on this. > > Regards > Cor Snabel > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> > To: "dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:23:09 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus Rutgers > Are the majority of Ulster's probate records filmed and online or through > Sampubco, even if backwards, or were some abandoned unsorted in those > storage boxes? > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > > > > . . .Ulster County's backwardish filming of probate files. . . > > > =========================================================== > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > To: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com>, dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:33:41 -0600 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus Rutgers > not sure if all online and NOT through SAMPUBCO. > > As for the meaning of majority of probate records, there is the matter of > Estate Tax Records which is more detailed than the probate files, not every > county have theirs available to the public yet. At least Orange and > Westchester counties have them online. New York estate tax started in 1885. > > David Samuelsen > > On 3/24/2013 3:23 PM, juliasgenes wrote: > >> Are the majority of Ulster's probate records filmed and online or through >> Sampubco, even if backwards, or were some abandoned unsorted in those >> storage boxes? >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> > To: "dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:27:43 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Given name question: Christophel, Christopher, > Christian > I know that the Sensebachs (w/numerous & imaginative spelling variations) > are Palatine, not Dutch, but they lived within the Dutch sphere and perhaps > given names followed Dutch traditions. > > > A 2nd generation son of Johann Philip Sensebach appears as Christophel, > Christopher, and Christian in records. Are these names equivalents? Is > Christian a Dutchified or Anglicized version of Christophel/ Christopher? > Is Stoffel a related name, perhaps a nickname for Christophel? The man's > daughter, Catharina, married Johann Jost Frantz and had a son they named > Christian. Apparently a namesake? > > Thank you. > > > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >

Per an earlier post, please correct "3. Re Jan Van Cleef and de Peel, Limburg, (cor snabel)." That was my error, thinking of the Lane family that married with the Van Cleefs in my own line. The Lane family (Laen, Lanen) bore the van Peelt (Pelt) distinguisher, not the Van Cleefs. Again, I apologize for my early error, which was a simple slip of the mind several years ago. Oh my god, how I detest that the simplest of errors can become something taken as a fact. Again, this demonstrates how very important it is to do and prove your own research, and never take someone else's work for granted without checking sources. This was NOT Cor's error, it was mine, and as I descend from a marriage between the Van Cleef and Lane (ven Pelt) families, it was just a mistake made 13 years ago. How these things come back to haunt us! With all due apologies, Bryce Stevens -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jo Culberson Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:50 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 49 Janice, I am fascinated by the Van Cleef line; I descend from Neeltje who married Kryn Janse Van Meter (various spellings) through a tangled web of Van Meters to the Cartmells of Virginia and Ohio. If we have any common ancestors would you be interested in sharing data? Jo Culberson On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM, <dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus Rutgers > (W David Samuelsen) > 2. Jan Van Cleef and de Peel, Limburg (Janice Pranger) > 3. Re: Jan Van Cleef and de Peel, Limburg (cor snabel) > 4. Re: Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus Rutgers (juliasgenes) > 5. Re: Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus Rutgers > (W David Samuelsen) > 6. Given name question: Christophel, Christopher, Christian > (juliasgenes) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 02:11:46 -0600 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus > Rutgers Hope you won't pull your hairs off your head when you try > Ulster County's backwardish filming of probate files > > The index card is at the end of each file, rather than the start then > go backward because the next sheet is not at the beginning but at the > end, right before the index card, 3rd sheet likwise before 2nd, so on. > > David Samuelsen > > On 3/24/2013 12:53 AM, James Harder wrote: > >> I know that Wyoming is not the only county that has numerous old >> documents stacked in boxes in a back room! >> >> Jim >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Janice Pranger <jan.pranger@sbcglobal.net> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:04:46 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Van Cleef and de Peel, Limburg Hello > List, > > I have been searching the Dutch Colonies Archives for information > about the descendants of Jan Van Cleef and Engeltje Laurens, and found > a 17 Jul 2000 response from Cor Snabel about the Van Cleef roots in "de Peel", Limburg. > > Searched but couldn't find the source for this connection between the > Van Cleef family and this particular area of the Netherlands. Can > someone tell me where to find this? > > > Many thanks, > > Jan Pranger > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: cor snabel <cor.snabel@gmail.com> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:38:38 +0100 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Van Cleef and de Peel, Limburg > Hello Janice, > > > I have been searching the Dutch Colonies Archives for information about > the > > descendants of Jan Van Cleef and Engeltje Laurens, and found a 17 Jul > 2000 > > response from Cor Snabel about the Van Cleef roots in "de Peel", Limburg. > > My mail in July 2000 was a response to a query of Bryce Stevens who > wrote "Peelt, Limburg, the Van Cleef home town". > I know he is still around, I remember seeing a message from him > earlier this year. Maybe he can shed some light on this. > > Regards > Cor Snabel > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> > To: "dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:23:09 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus Rutgers > Are the majority of Ulster's probate records filmed and online or through > Sampubco, even if backwards, or were some abandoned unsorted in those > storage boxes? > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > > > > . . .Ulster County's backwardish filming of probate files. . . > > > =========================================================== > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > To: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com>, dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:33:41 -0600 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Catharin de Hooges, wife of Harmanus Rutgers > not sure if all online and NOT through SAMPUBCO. > > As for the meaning of majority of probate records, there is the matter of > Estate Tax Records which is more detailed than the probate files, not every > county have theirs available to the public yet. At least Orange and > Westchester counties have them online. New York estate tax started in 1885. > > David Samuelsen > > On 3/24/2013 3:23 PM, juliasgenes wrote: > >> Are the majority of Ulster's probate records filmed and online or through >> Sampubco, even if backwards, or were some abandoned unsorted in those >> storage boxes? >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> > To: "dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:27:43 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Given name question: Christophel, Christopher, > Christian > I know that the Sensebachs (w/numerous & imaginative spelling variations) > are Palatine, not Dutch, but they lived within the Dutch sphere and perhaps > given names followed Dutch traditions. > > > A 2nd generation son of Johann Philip Sensebach appears as Christophel, > Christopher, and Christian in records. Are these names equivalents? Is > Christian a Dutchified or Anglicized version of Christophel/ Christopher? > Is Stoffel a related name, perhaps a nickname for Christophel? The man's > daughter, Catharina, married Johann Jost Frantz and had a son they named > Christian. Apparently a namesake? > > Thank you. > > > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message