Thank you James for the information.   Is there any chance that someone has access to the "original" birth records for Jan and Judith, and perhaps the marriage record for John Jan Allen ad Johanna Anna Haldron. All of my information is secondary. [Dutch Reformed Church, New York.]   Regards Edward From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs! ________________________________ From: James Harder <jaharder88@yahoo.com> To: "ekipp@rogers.com" <ekipp@rogers.com>; "dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:27:22 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families Edward, A correction to your post on the 1677 baptism of Judith "Alewyn":  The sponsor is correctly written in the record as Willem Waldron with wife Engeltie Stoutenburg, not Willem Haldron as you wrote and I commented on.  Without the obvious mistranscription of Haldron for Waldron in that case, perhaps my suggestion that the other Haldrons were actually Waldrons was hasty.  They are a few other Haldron records as you likely know. The relationship of the early Allens with the Waldrons also seems clear, so maybe the similarity of names and the residence of both families in Harlem are coincidental. NYRC Marriages: 1685 20 May; Francisco Anthony, wid van Leonora Haldrinck; Geertie Theunis, wid van Hans Carelszen. 1705 28 Jun; Johan Ellin, jm Van Milfort; Anna Haldrin, jd Van N. Haarlem. 1707 18 May; Jan Haldron, jm V. N. Haarlem; Cornelia Tienhoven, wid V. Andries Holst Van N. York. 1720 04 Sep; Thomas Cox, wid Van Baston; Hanna Haldron, wid John Ellin, V. N. Haarlem.   NYRC Baptisms: 1675 Nov 11; Jan Aling, Francyn [Pieters]; Jan; Jacobus de Haert, Rutgen Waldron 1677 Oct 24; Daniel Waldron, Sara Rutgers; Rutger; Rutgert Willemszen, Marritie Waldron 1677 Oct 24; Jan Alewyn, Francyn [Pieters]; Judith; Willem Waldron, Engeltie Stoutenburg   1708 May 16; Jan Haldron, Cornelia Van Tienhoven; Willem; Adriaan Man & wife Hester [Bording] 1709 Oct 05; Jan Haldron, Cornelia Van Tienhoven; Elizebeth; Pieter Amment, Nicolaas Tienhoven, Elizabeth Tienhoven 1711 Jun 14; John Haldron, Cornelia van Tienhove; Luykas; Samuel Philips, Tryntje van Thienhove   1709 Mar 30; Jan Ellin, Annetje Haldron; Jan; Jan Haldron, Abraham Brajor, Cornelia Haldron 1711 Sep 16; Jan Ellen, Johanna Haldron; Elizabeth; Abraham Rochel, Catharina Buys 1713 Nov 11; John Ellen, Johanna Haldron; Maria; Abraham Bradjor, Marretje Van der Spiegel 1717 Mar 13; John Ellen, Johanna Haldron; Mattheus; Cornelus Van Seysen & wife Catharina de Hart   1721 Nov 15; Thomas Koks, Johanna Haldron; Benjamin; Hendril Van Der Leew, Maria Van Der Leew      Jim ________________________________ From: James Harder <jaharder88@yahoo.com> To: "ekipp@rogers.com" <ekipp@rogers.com>; "dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families Hi Edward, I'm not familiar with your Allens, but it seems a good bet that the wife of John Allen Jr. was Anna Waldron, not Haldron as you and many others online have her.  The sponsors in 1677 are Willem Waldron, a son of Resolved, and his known wife Engeltje Stoutenberg.  The 1675 sponsor is another Waldron, possibly Ruth (Willem's half-sister) but probably not Rutger - the name Rutger didn't come into the Waldron family until the 1674 marriage of Daniel Waldron and Sara Rutgers.  In any event, there appears to have been a relationship between the Waldrons and Allens that preceded the 1705 marriage of Johan Ellin van Milfort and Anna "Haldrin" van N. Haarlem.  The Waldrons lived at this time in Harlem. The baptism at the NYRC 30 Mar 1709 of Jan, son of "Jan Ellin & Annetje Haldron" is sponsored by Jan Haldron, Abraham Brajor, Cornelia Haldron. Maybe someone with a better Waldron file than mine can identify these relatives of Anna.  It sure looks like the repeated transcription error in the only baptism record for the couple has given Anna an incorrect surname until now. Jim ________________________________ From: "ekipp@rogers.com" <ekipp@rogers.com> To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com>; "new-netherland@rootsweb.com" <new-netherland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families Has anyone done research on the families of Jan Aling and Francyn Albertus (cir 1654-   ) and their son John Jan Aling (Allen) (either 1675 or cir 1683 Milford, CT - 1720). I would like to know if Jan and Francyn had more than two children, Jan and Judith. I would also like to know if anyone has made the connection back to Connecticut families. John Jan Allen and Johanna Anna Haldron should be my 6th Great Grandparents. Regards Edward Kipp   Sources consulted: Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. P. 121 1675 11 Nov Jan Aling & Francyn parents, Jan child, witnesses Jacobus de Haert, Rutgen Waldron. Minister Samuel Megapolensis. Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. P. 129 1677 24 Oct Jan Alewyn, Francyn parents, Judith child, witnesses Willem Haldron, Engeltie Stoutenburg. Minister Samuel Megapolensis.   John Jan Allen (cir 1683 Milford, Fairfield, CT - 1770) and Johanna Anna Haldron (cir 1684 New York, NY -  ) Johanna married 1st June 28, 1705 at New York, John ELLIN (Ellen, Allen), from Milford, CT. Probably the son of John ALLEN, Senior. They were admitted Freemen in New York on May 27, 1702, Senior being a Sawyer and junior a Feltmaker. New York Dutch Church archives describes him as Johan Ellin, young man, van Milfort. Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New Amsterdam and New York. Baptisms from 25 December, 1639, to 27 December, 1730. Edited by Thomas Grier Evans. New York. 1901. P, 121 Revised History of Harlem (City of New York) its Origin and Early Annals, James Riker. 1904. P. 558. Genealogical Dictionary of New Jersey, Charles C Gardner. 1939. P. 21-22. New Harlem Register, Henry P Toler. 1903. Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 18, p. 21. [Allen]     >From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are probably multiple transcription versions available in online sources. You might want to compare them. For originals, should they still exist, contact the church to see if they have the documents archived on site or if they have been placed in a church repository, like the Reformed Church in America: <  https://www.rca.org/archives >, < http://images.rca.org/docs/archives/churchrecords.pdf > There might be microfilm of the original records in FamilySearch.org's catalog or in the New York State Library or New York State Archives, though the early records will be in Dutch. >________________________________ > From: "ekipp@rogers.com" <ekipp@rogers.com> > > >. . .access to the "original" birth records for Jan and Judith, and perhaps the marriage record for John Jan Allen ad Johanna Anna Haldron. . . > >============================================== >