For those interested in settlers in Brazil, as well as other locations, you might want to check out the note books of the Amsterdam Chamber of the WIC, especially the note book that covers Jan 1635-Dec. 1636. Van Laer had transcribed entries from that book that pertained to New Netherland, but I don't think he transcribed any of the other records. I believe in the actual records you can still see the check marks and parenthesis written in pencil that Van Laer added to the original note book to indicate the record entries that pertained to New Netherland. You can find the actual records here: [1]http://www.gahetna.nl/en/collectie/archief/ead/index/nodes/YToxODp7aTowO3 M6NjoiYzAxOjIuIjtpOjE7czo2OiJjMDE6Mi4iO2k6MjtzOjY6ImMwMToyLiI7aTozO3M6NjoiYz AxOjIuIjtpOjQ7czo2OiJjMDE6Mi4iO2k6NTtzOjY6ImMwMToyLiI7aTo2O3M6NjoiYzAxOjIuIj tpOjc7czo2OiJjMDE6Mi4iO2k6ODtzOjEyOiJjMDE6Mi5jMDI6MC4iO2k6OTtzOjEyOiJjMDE6Mi 5jMDI6MC4iO2k6MTA7czoxODoiYzAxOjIuYzAyOjAuYzAzOjAuIjtpOjExO3M6MTg6ImMwMToyLm MwMjowLmMwMzowLiI7aToxMjtzOjEyOiJjMDE6Mi5jMDI6MS4iO2k6MTM7czoxMjoiYzAxOjIuYz AyOjEuIjtpOjE0O3M6MTI6ImMwMToyLmMwMjo4LiI7aToxNTtzOjEyOiJjMDE6Mi5jMDI6OC4iO2 k6MTY7czoxMjoiYzAxOjIuYzAyOjguIjtpOjE3O3M6MTI6ImMwMToyLmMwMjo4LiI7fQ%3D%3D/e adid/1.05.01.01/node/c01%3A2./open/c01:2.#c01:2. And you can find the translations of those records that pertain to New Netherland made by Van Laer in the NYG&B, vol . 49, a copy of which can be found here: [2]http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89067948836;view=1up;seq=259 Jim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] [NEW-NETHERLAND] What is this WIC document From: "BStevens" <[3]brycestevens@comcast.net> Date: Wed, July 10, 2013 1:17 pm To: <[4]dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> This is exciting news, and will provide another important document for all of us, but especially for those of us who descend from the Dutch who were in Brazil. As always, Cor, wonderful work, and much appreciated! I shall look forward to hearing more as it becomes available. Bryce Stevens Hello Jim and Chris, I have transcribed the document and it's a financial settlement the WIC had for it's investors and shareholders, because their financial situation was rather poor due to the war in Brasil and other events. They probably did sent a clerk to all the residences of those who invested, that would explain all the different kinds of ink and pens. If you're interested I could translate it, but I now started deciphering all the names and signatures. That is interesting to me. Regards Cor Snabel On 9 July 2013 22:35, Chris Brooks <[5]brookskcmo@gmail.com> wrote: > Let me correct my multiple errors, I can't seem to type correctly. The > year is 1656. > > Chris > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Chris Brooks <[6]brookskcmo@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I looked closer at page one and find two dates: > > > > > > opten eersten dach van Mei deses jaers xvi sestenviftich or the > > first day of May the year 1650 and ten Tienden februarij des jaers > > Sestenviftich or the tenth February 1650 I think the first date is > > probably the date it was documented in Amsterdam and the second one > > in May the day it was announced or > registered > > in Brazil. I've only looked at the dates so far so other than seeing > > references to the Directors of the West India Company and Amsterdam, > > I'm not sure what the document is about. > > > > Chris > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:29 PM, <[7]jarm@nycnuts.net> wrote: > > > >> > >> Thanks Chris. I had missed the reference given that pertains > >> to > this > >> document that gave the date as 10 februari 1656. It also states > (with > >> translation), "List of subscribers to the capital of the WIC > >> stating the > >> deposited amounts. February 10, 1656. 1 piece"... so does this > >> mean that > >> these were investors, or creditors, vs debtors? > >> > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] [NEW-NETHERLAND] What is this WIC > >> document > >> From: Chris Brooks <[1][8]brookskcmo@gmail.com> > >> Date: Tue, July 09, 2013 7:17 pm > >> To: New-Netherland <[2][9]new-netherland@rootsweb.com> > >> Cc: [3][10]dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > >> You are correct in that this is a document from the Directors of > >> the Oude > >> West India Company in Brazil. At the top of page 2 is a date > >> which appears > >> to be "xen Febrúarij Jaers xvij Sestenvijftich" or 10th > >> February in the > >> year 1650. I've looked at several of the documents relating to > >> the > West > >> India Company but not many in Brazil so this looks like an > interesting > >> document. > >> Chris > >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM, <[4][11]jarm@nycnuts.net> wrote: > >> > > >> > Does anyone know what these two documents are and can you discern a > >> > possible > >> > date? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > They look to me like they pertain to Brazil and are a list of > people > >> > who owe > >> > money to the WIC. I had trouble viewing the image with Internet > >> > Explorer, > >> > but had no problems using Foxfire. Here's the link: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [1] > >> > > >> [5] > >> > [12]http://www.gahetna.nl/en/collectie/archief/inventaris/gahetnascans/nod > es/ > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > YToxNDp7aTowO3M6NjoiYzAxOjIuIjtpOjE7czo2OiJjMDE6Mi4iO2k6MjtzOjY6ImMwMT > oyLiI7 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > aTozO3M6NjoiYzAxOjIuIjtpOjQ7czo2OiJjMDE6Mi4iO2k6NTtzOjY6ImMwMToyLiI7aT > o2O3M6 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > MTI6ImMwMToyLmMwMjowLiI7aTo3O3M6MTI6ImMwMToyLmMwMjowLiI7aTo4O3M6MTg6Im > MwMToy > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > LmMwMjowLmMwMzowLiI7aTo5O3M6MTg6ImMwMToyLmMwMjowLmMwMzowLiI7aToxMDtzOj > EyOiJj > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > MDE6Mi5jMDI6MS4iO2k6MTE7czoxMjoiYzAxOjIuYzAyOjEuIjtpOjEyO3M6MTI6ImMwMT > oyLmMw > >> > Mjo4LiI7aToxMztzOjEyOiJjMDE6Mi5jMDI6OC4iO30%3D/eadid/ > >> > 1.05.01.01/open/c01%3A2 > >> > .c02%3A8./inventarisnr/18C/level/file > >> > > >> > References > >> > > >> > 1. > >> > > >> [6] > >> > [13]http://www.gahetna.nl/en/collectie/archief/inventaris/gahetnascans/nod > es/ > >> > >> > > YToxNDp7aTowO3M6NjoiYzAxOjIuIjtpOjE7czo2OiJjMDE6Mi4iO2k6MjtzOjY6ImMwMT > oyLiI7 > >> > >> > > aTozO3M6NjoiYzAxOjIuIjtpOjQ7czo2OiJjMDE6Mi4iO2k6NTtzOjY6ImMwMToyLiI7aT > o2O3M6 > >> > >> > > MTI6ImMwMToyLmMwMjowLiI7aTo3O3M6MTI6ImMwMToyLmMwMjowLiI7aTo4O3M6MTg6Im > MwMToy > >> > >> > > LmMwMjowLmMwMzowLiI7aTo5O3M6MTg6ImMwMToyLmMwMjowLmMwMzowLiI7aToxMDtzOj > EyOiJj > >> > >> > > MDE6Mi5jMDI6MS4iO2k6MTE7czoxMjoiYzAxOjIuYzAyOjEuIjtpOjEyO3M6MTI6ImMwMT > oyLmMw > >> Mjo4LiI7aToxMztzOjEyOiJjMDE6Mi5jMDI6OC4iO30%3D/eadid/ > >> 1.05.01.01/open/c01%3A2 > >> .c02%3A8./inventarisnr/18C/level/file > >> > > >> > ************** > >> > For New Netherland Resources - ships lists, church records, > >> land records > >> > and more visit [7][14]http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/ > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > [8][15]NEW-NETHERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without > >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> -- > >> Chris Brooks > >> Kansas City, Missouri > >> 816-363-1831 > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> [9][16]DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> References > >> > >> 1. [17]mailto:brookskcmo@gmail.com > >> 2. [18]mailto:new-netherland@rootsweb.com > >> 3. [19]mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > >> 4. [20]mailto:jarm@nycnuts.net > >> 5. > >> > [21]http://www.gahetna.nl/en/collectie/archief/inventaris/gahetnascans/nod > es/ > >> 6. > >> > [22]http://www.gahetna.nl/en/collectie/archief/inventaris/gahetnascans/nod > es/ > >> 7. [23]http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn > >> 8. [24]mailto:NEW-NETHERLAND-request@rootsweb.com > >> 9. [25]mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > >> > >> ************** > >> For New Netherland Resources - ships lists, church records, land > >> records and more visit [26]http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [27]NEW-NETHERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Chris Brooks > > Kansas City, Missouri > > 816-363-1831 > > > > > > -- > Chris Brooks > Kansas City, Missouri > 816-363-1831 > > ************** > For New Netherland Resources - ships lists, church records, land > records and more visit [28]http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [29]NEW-NETHERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [30]DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [31]DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.gahetna.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%3D%3D/eadid/1.05.01.01/node/c01%3A2./open/c01:2.#c01:2. 2. http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89067948836;view=1up;seq=259 3. mailto:brycestevens@comcast.net 4. mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:brookskcmo@gmail.com 6. mailto:brookskcmo@gmail.com 7. mailto:jarm@nycnuts.net 8. mailto:brookskcmo@gmail.com 9. mailto:new-netherland@rootsweb.com 10. mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com 11. mailto:jarm@nycnuts.net 12. http://www.gahetna.nl/en/collectie/archief/inventaris/gahetnascans/nod 13. http://www.gahetna.nl/en/collectie/archief/inventaris/gahetnascans/nod 14. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn 15. mailto:NEW-NETHERLAND-request@rootsweb.com 16. mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 17. mailto:brookskcmo@gmail.com 18. mailto:new-netherland@rootsweb.com 19. mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com 20. mailto:jarm@nycnuts.net 21. http://www.gahetna.nl/en/collectie/archief/inventaris/gahetnascans/nod 22. http://www.gahetna.nl/en/collectie/archief/inventaris/gahetnascans/nod 23. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn 24. mailto:NEW-NETHERLAND-request@rootsweb.com 25. mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 26. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn 27. mailto:NEW-NETHERLAND-request@rootsweb.com 28. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn 29. mailto:NEW-NETHERLAND-request@rootsweb.com 30. mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 31. mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com